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Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów (i do tych,
zainteresowanych tematem) i na końcu pare słów do Zydów:

Czytam od kilku dni Wasze wypowiedzi na temat Izraela i
Zydów, które pokazują mi Wasz poziom intelektualny,
Waszą znajomść historii, Waszą wiedzę polityczną i
Waszą wiarę w chrześcijańskiego Jezusa, który jak
wiadomo był Zydem, więc szybko wszystko skracając,
jesteście po prostu Antychrystami. Załączam wszystkim
trochę materiałów do poczytania i pomyślenia i
zapominam o tych dyskusjach, bo to nie poziom, na jakim
ja chcę się znajdować.

WRITTEN IN 1968

Remember the French phrase: "plus ca change, plus c'est
la meme chose" The more things change the more the
remain the same! It's hard to believe, but the
following article was written 34 years ago, yet it was
and got re-printed on April 26, 2002 in the Jerusalem
Post.

ISRAEL'S PECULIAR POSITION By Eric Hoffer (LA Times
5/26/68)

The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to
other nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations
drive out thousands, even millions of people and there
is no refugee problem. Russian did it, Poland and
Czechoslovakia did it, Turkey threw out a million
Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia
threw out heaven knows how many Chinese - and no one
says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel
the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees.
Everyone insists that Israel must take back every
single Arab. Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of
the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the
Nazis. Other nations when victorious on the battlefield
dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious it
must sue for peace. Everyone expects the Jews to be the
only real Christians in this world. Other nations when
they are defeated survive and recover but should Israel
be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed
last June he would have wiped Israel off the map, and
no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews. No
commitment to the Jews by any government, including our
own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a
cry of outrage all over the world when people die in
Vietnam or when two Negroes are executed in Rhodesia.
But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated
with him. The Swedes, who are ready to break of
diplomatic relations with America because of what we do
in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was
slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore,
and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to
Norway. The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel
survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts.
And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our
only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more
on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only
to imagine what would have happened last summer had the
Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize
how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the
West in general. I have a premonition that will not
leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all
of us. Should Israel perish, the holocaust will be upon
us. Eric Hoffer, 1968

Eric Hoffer was a non-Jewish American social
philosopher. He was born in 1902 and died in 1983,
after writing nine books and winning the Presidential
Medal of Freedom. His first book, The True Believer,
published in 1951, was widely recognized as a classic.


List otwarty do Swiata
Ariel Ben Attar, Izraelita

Drogi Swiecie,
Rozumiem ze my tu w Izraelu denerwujemy Ciebie. W
istocie, wyglada na to ze jestes dosc rozdrazniony,
newet rozgniewany i oburzony. Zdaje sie ze co pare lat
sprawiamy ci klopot od nowa. Dzisiaj to sa brutalne
represje przeciw Palestynczykom. Wczoraj Liban.
Wczesniej bylo zbombardowanie reaktora atomowego w
Bagdadzie, wojna Yom Kippur i kampania na Synaju.
Oczywiscie, drogi Swiecie, na dlugo przed powstaniem
Izraela, my Zydzi denerwowalismy Ciebie.Rozgniewalismy
Niemcow, ktorzy wybrali Hitlera, oraz Austriakow,
ktorzy wiwatowali na jego powitanie w Wiedniu.
Zdenerwowalismy takze mnostwo narodow slowianskich:
Polakow, Slowakow, Ukraincow i Rosjan. A takze
Litwinow, Wegrow i Rumunow. A historia swiata
zdenerwowanego z naszego powodu siega bardzo, bardzo
dawnych czasow.

Rozwscieczylismy kozakow Chmielnickiego, ktorzy
zmasakrowali dziesiatki tysiecy sposrod nas w 1648-49.
Rozgniewalismy Krzyzowcow, ktorzy dazac do wyzwolenia
Ziemi Swietej byli tak wsciekli na nas, ze wyrzneli
niezliczone nasze rzesze. Przez stulecia draznilismy
Kosciol Katolicki, ktory dokladal wszelkich staran zeby
znormalizowac nasze wzajemne stosunki przy pomocy
Inkwizycji. Dopieklismy nawet arcy-wrogowi Kosciola,
Marcinowi Lutrowi, ktory nawolujac do palenia synagog
(z Zydami wewnatrz) demonstrowal godnego podziwu ducha
ekumenizmu.

I wlasnie dlatego ze tak nas gnebilo ciagle draznienie
Ciebie, drogi Swiecie, postanowilismy Cie opuscic - i
zalozyc panstwo Zydowskie. Widocznym bylo ze zyjac w
bliskim kontakcie z Toba, jako obcy rezydenci w roznych
krajach z ktorych sie skladasz, my gniewamy Ciebie,
draznimy Cie i przeszkadzamy Tobie. Coz zatem moglismy
zrobic lepszego, niz odejsc i przez to nadal kochajac
Ciebie pozwolic wreszcie Tobie pokochac nas?
A wiec, zdecydowalismy wrocic do domu - do tej samej
ziemi z ktorej 1900 lat wczesniej wygnali nas
Rzymianie, ktorych widocznie takze zdenerwowalismy.

Jednakze, drogi Swiecie, wyglada na to ze trudno Cie
zadowolic. Opusciwszy Ciebie i Twoje pogromy i
inkwizycje i krucjaty i zaglady, chcac zyc sami w
naszym wlasnym malym kraju, nie przestajemy Cie
denerwowac.
Dokucza Ci ze represjonujemy biednych Palestynczykow.
Jestes gleboko zagniewany faktem, ze nie oddajemy ziemi
zdobytych w 1967, co jest oczywista przeszkoda do
pokoju na Bliskim Wschodzie. Moskwa jest zdenerwowana
i Waszyngton takze. "Radykalni" Arabowie oraz lagodni
Egipscy umiarkowani sa rozdraznieni rowniez.

No coz, drogi Swiecie, rozwaz reakcje zwyklego Zyda z
Izraela.
W 1920 i 1921 i 1929 ziemie zdobyte w 1967 nie staly na
drodze pokojowi pomiedzy Arabami a Zydami. W rzeczy
samej, nie bylo panstwa zydowskiego, ktore by
denerwowalo kogokolwiek. Niemniej, ci sami poniewierani
i uciskani Palestynczycy wyrzneli dziesiatki Zydow w
Jerozolimie, Jaffie, Safedzie i Hebronie. 67 Zydow
zaszlachtowano w Hebronie jednego dnia w 1929. Drogi
Swiecie, czemu Arabowie-Palestynczycy zamordowali 67
Zydow jednego dnia w 1929? Czyzby powodowalo nimi
oburzenie z powodu izraelskiej agresji w 1967? I czemu
510 zydowskich mezczyzn, kobiet i dzieci zabito w
arabskich rozruchach miedzy 1936 a 1939? Czy dlatego ze
Arabowie zdenerwowali sie z powodu 1967? I gdy Ty,
Swiecie, zaproponowales w ONZ Plan Podzialu w 1947,
ktory stworzylby "panstwo Palestynskie" obok malutkiego
Izraela a Arabowie krzykneli "Nie!" i wyruszyli na
wojne zabijajac 6000 Zydow - czy to rozgniewanie bylo
wywolane agresja w 1967?

I do tego, drogi Swiecie, czemu nie slyszelismy Ciebie
wyrazajacego swoj gniew wtedy? Biedni Palestynczycy,
ktorzy dzis zabijaja Zydow dynamitem, ogniem i
kamieniami sa czescia tego samego ludu, ktory - majac
wszystkie ziemie ktorych zwrotu teraz sie domaga -
usilowal zepchnac panstwo zydowskie do morza. Te same
wykrzywione twarze. Ta sama nienawisc. Ten sam krzyk:
"itbach-al-yahud" - Wymordowac Zydow!
Wszystko to co widzimy i slyszymy dzis, bylo widziane i
slyszane wowczas. Ci sami ludzie i to samo dazenie -
zniszczyc Izrael. Czego nie osiagneli wczoraj, planuja
zrobic jutro - lecz my nie powinnismy ich
"represjonowac".

Drogi Swiecie, przygladales sie obojetnie Zagladzie
oraz w 1948 gdy siedem panstw rozpoczelo wojne, ktora
Liga Arabska dumnie porownala do najazdow Mongolskich.
Przygladales sie bezczynnie w 1967 gdy Nasser,
ekstatycznie popierany p
    • Gość: dana33 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 13:44
      Muszę wysłać parę razy, bo jest dużo....

      WRITTEN IN 1968

      Remember the French phrase: "plus ca change, plus c'est
      la meme chose" The more things change the more the remain
      the same! It's hard to believe, but the following
      article was written 34 years ago, yet it was and got
      re-printed on April 26, 2002 in the Jerusalem Post.

      ISRAEL'S PECULIAR POSITION By Eric Hoffer (LA Times 5/26/68)

      The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other
      nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations drive
      out thousands, even millions of people and there is no
      refugee problem. Russian did it, Poland and
      Czechoslovakia did it, Turkey threw out a million Greeks,
      and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia threw out
      heaven knows how many Chinese - and no one says a word
      about refugees. But in the case of Israel the displaced
      Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that
      Israel must take back every single Arab. Arnold Toynbee
      calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater
      than any committed by the Nazis. Other nations when
      victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But
      when Israel is victorious it must sue for peace. Everyone
      expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this
      world. Other nations when they are defeated survive and
      recover but should Israel be defeated it would be
      destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June he would have
      wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a
      finger to save the Jews. No commitment to the Jews by any
      government, including our own, is worth the paper it is
      written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world
      when people die in Vietnam or when two Negroes are
      executed in Rhodesia. But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no
      one remonstrated with him. The Swedes, who are ready to
      break of diplomatic relations with America because of
      what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler
      was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore,
      and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to
      Norway. The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel
      survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts.
      And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our
      only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on
      Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to
      imagine what would have happened last summer had the
      Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize
      how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the
      West in general. I have a premonition that will not
      leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all
      of us. Should Israel perish, the holocaust will be upon
      us. Eric Hoffer, 1968

      Eric Hoffer was a non-Jewish American social philosopher.
      He was born in 1902 and died in 1983, after writing nine
      books and winning the Presidential Medal of Freedom. His
      first book, The True Believer, published in 1951, was
      widely recognized as a classic.

    • Gość: dana33 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 13:45
      List otwarty do Swiata
      Ariel Ben Attar, Izraelita


      Drogi Swiecie,
      Rozumiem ze my tu w Izraelu denerwujemy Ciebie. W
      istocie, wyglada na to ze jestes dosc rozdrazniony, newet
      rozgniewany i oburzony. Zdaje sie ze co pare lat
      sprawiamy ci klopot od nowa. Dzisiaj to sa brutalne
      represje przeciw Palestynczykom. Wczoraj Liban.
      Wczesniej bylo zbombardowanie reaktora atomowego w
      Bagdadzie, wojna Yom Kippur i kampania na Synaju.
      Oczywiscie, drogi Swiecie, na dlugo przed powstaniem
      Izraela, my Zydzi denerwowalismy Ciebie.Rozgniewalismy
      Niemcow, ktorzy wybrali Hitlera, oraz Austriakow, ktorzy
      wiwatowali na jego powitanie w Wiedniu. Zdenerwowalismy
      takze mnostwo narodow slowianskich: Polakow, Slowakow,
      Ukraincow i Rosjan. A takze Litwinow, Wegrow i Rumunow. A
      historia swiata zdenerwowanego z naszego powodu siega
      bardzo, bardzo dawnych czasow.

      Rozwscieczylismy kozakow Chmielnickiego, ktorzy
      zmasakrowali dziesiatki tysiecy sposrod nas w 1648-49.
      Rozgniewalismy Krzyzowcow, ktorzy dazac do wyzwolenia
      Ziemi Swietej byli tak wsciekli na nas, ze wyrzneli
      niezliczone nasze rzesze. Przez stulecia draznilismy
      Kosciol Katolicki, ktory dokladal wszelkich staran zeby
      znormalizowac nasze wzajemne stosunki przy pomocy
      Inkwizycji. Dopieklismy nawet arcy-wrogowi Kosciola,
      Marcinowi Lutrowi, ktory nawolujac do palenia synagog (z
      Zydami wewnatrz) demonstrowal godnego podziwu ducha
      ekumenizmu.

      I wlasnie dlatego ze tak nas gnebilo ciagle draznienie
      Ciebie, drogi Swiecie, postanowilismy Cie opuscic - i
      zalozyc panstwo Zydowskie. Widocznym bylo ze zyjac w
      bliskim kontakcie z Toba, jako obcy rezydenci w roznych
      krajach z ktorych sie skladasz, my gniewamy Ciebie,
      draznimy Cie i przeszkadzamy Tobie. Coz zatem moglismy
      zrobic lepszego, niz odejsc i przez to nadal kochajac
      Ciebie pozwolic wreszcie Tobie pokochac nas?
      A wiec, zdecydowalismy wrocic do domu - do tej samej
      ziemi z ktorej 1900 lat wczesniej wygnali nas Rzymianie,
      ktorych widocznie takze zdenerwowalismy.

      Jednakze, drogi Swiecie, wyglada na to ze trudno Cie
      zadowolic. Opusciwszy Ciebie i Twoje pogromy i inkwizycje
      i krucjaty i zaglady, chcac zyc sami w naszym wlasnym
      malym kraju, nie przestajemy Cie denerwowac.
      Dokucza Ci ze represjonujemy biednych Palestynczykow.
      Jestes gleboko zagniewany faktem, ze nie oddajemy ziemi
      zdobytych w 1967, co jest oczywista przeszkoda do pokoju
      na Bliskim Wschodzie. Moskwa jest zdenerwowana i
      Waszyngton takze. "Radykalni" Arabowie oraz lagodni
      Egipscy umiarkowani sa rozdraznieni rowniez.

      No coz, drogi Swiecie, rozwaz reakcje zwyklego Zyda z
      Izraela.
      W 1920 i 1921 i 1929 ziemie zdobyte w 1967 nie staly na
      drodze pokojowi pomiedzy Arabami a Zydami. W rzeczy
      samej, nie bylo panstwa zydowskiego, ktore by denerwowalo
      kogokolwiek. Niemniej, ci sami poniewierani i uciskani
      Palestynczycy wyrzneli dziesiatki Zydow w Jerozolimie,
      Jaffie, Safedzie i Hebronie. 67 Zydow zaszlachtowano w
      Hebronie jednego dnia w 1929. Drogi Swiecie, czemu
      Arabowie-Palestynczycy zamordowali 67 Zydow jednego dnia
      w 1929? Czyzby powodowalo nimi oburzenie z powodu
      izraelskiej agresji w 1967? I czemu 510 zydowskich
      mezczyzn, kobiet i dzieci zabito w arabskich rozruchach
      miedzy 1936 a 1939? Czy dlatego ze Arabowie zdenerwowali
      sie z powodu 1967? I gdy Ty, Swiecie, zaproponowales w
      ONZ Plan Podzialu w 1947, ktory stworzylby "panstwo
      Palestynskie" obok malutkiego Izraela a Arabowie
      krzykneli "Nie!" i wyruszyli na wojne zabijajac 6000
      Zydow - czy to rozgniewanie bylo wywolane agresja w
      1967?

      I do tego, drogi Swiecie, czemu nie slyszelismy Ciebie
      wyrazajacego swoj gniew wtedy? Biedni Palestynczycy,
      ktorzy dzis zabijaja Zydow dynamitem, ogniem i kamieniami
      sa czescia tego samego ludu, ktory - majac wszystkie
      ziemie ktorych zwrotu teraz sie domaga - usilowal
      zepchnac panstwo zydowskie do morza. Te same wykrzywione
      twarze. Ta sama nienawisc. Ten sam krzyk:
      "itbach-al-yahud" - Wymordowac Zydow!
      Wszystko to co widzimy i slyszymy dzis, bylo widziane i
      slyszane wowczas. Ci sami ludzie i to samo dazenie -
      zniszczyc Izrael. Czego nie osiagneli wczoraj, planuja
      zrobic jutro - lecz my nie powinnismy ich
      "represjonowac".

      Drogi Swiecie, przygladales sie obojetnie Zagladzie oraz
      w 1948 gdy siedem panstw rozpoczelo wojne, ktora Liga
      Arabska dumnie porownala do najazdow Mongolskich.
      Przygladales sie bezczynnie w 1967 gdy Nasser,
      ekstatycznie popierany przez dzikie tlumy we wszystkich
      arabskich stolicach swiata, slubowal wrzucic Zydow do
      morza. I patrzyl bylbys nadal beznamietnie jutro gdyby
      Izraelowi grozilo zniszczenie. A poniewaz my wiemy ze
      palestynscy Arabowie tesknia codziennie do tego dnia -
      zrobimy wszystko co mozliwe zeby pozostac zywymi w naszym
      kraju.
      Jesli dokucza Ci to, drogi Swiecie - pomysl jak wiele
      razy w przeszlosci Ty dokuczales nam. W kazdym razie,
      drogi Swiecie, jesli przeszkadzamy Ci nadal, jest tutaj
      przynajmniej jeden Zyd w Izraelu, ktory ma to calkowicie
      w dupie.

      Israel Ben Attar

    • Gość: dana33 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 13:46
      Joe McCain (Senator McCain's brother)

      "NEVER AGAIN"
      There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now
      - "Can Israel Survive?"

      Don't worry about it. It relates to something that
      Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most Americans don't
      realize - the Jews are never going quietly again. Never.
      And if the world doesn't come to understand that millions
      of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that.
      Throughout the history of the world, the most abused,
      kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just
      the holocaust of World War II, but for thousands of
      years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a
      terrible and tragic sense.

      The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not
      just a story, it is history, if festooned with
      theological legend and heroic epics.

      In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time
      tolerated the Jews - even admired them as 'superior' to
      other vassals - tired of their truculent demands for
      independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the
      Jewish problem. Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near
      rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the
      implacable Roman War Machine - And thus began The
      Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of
      the world. Their homeland destroyed, their culture
      crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a
      hostile world where they could be safe.

      That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims
      of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and
      'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first
      mono-theistic people. Throughout Europe changing times
      meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the
      Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then
      malevolence. There is not a country in Europe or Western
      Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash
      out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim,
      sometimes by manipulation. Winston Churchill calls Edward
      I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his
      rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were
      hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland
      were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European
      monarch to set up a really effective administrative
      bureaucracy, surveyed and censused his
      kingdom,established laws and political divisions. But he
      also embraced the Jews. Actually Edward didn't embrace
      Jews so much as he embraced their money.

      For the English Jews had acquired wealth -
      understandable, because this people that could not own
      land or office, could not join most of the trades and
      professions, soon found out that money was a very good
      thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land
      or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins.
      Ever resourceful, Edward found a way - he borrowed money
      from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe,
      especially France. The loans were almost certainly not
      made gladly, but how do you refuse your King? Especially
      when he is 'Edward the Hammer'. Then, rather than pay
      back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews. Edward
      was especially inventive - he did this twice. After a
      time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland,
      borrowed more money, then expelled them again.

      Most people do not know that Spain was one of the early
      entrants into The Renaissance. People from all over the
      world came to Spain in the late medireview period. All
      were welcome - Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The
      University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of
      learning in the world - scholars of all nations, all
      fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and
      their ideas. But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having
      driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were
      persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to
      announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps
      were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other
      non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would
      face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From
      this cleansing come the Sephardic Jews - as opposed to
      the Ashkenazis or Eastern Europe.

      In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality
      against Jews are common knowledge. 'Fiddler' without the
      music and the folksy humor. At times of fury, no
      accommodation by the Jew was good enough, no profile low
      enough, no village poor enough or distant enough. From
      these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United
      States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most
      'American' Americans they came to grab the American Dream
      with both hands, and contributed everything from new
      ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment to
      becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers. The
      modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The United
      States in part because of its Jewish blood.

      Then the Nazi Holocaust - the corralling, sorting,
      orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses.
      Not something that other realms in other times didn't try
      to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized
      and had better murder technology. I stood in the center
      of Dachau for an entire day, about 15 years ago, trying
      to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone
      there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about
      this Dachau. I soon became engulfed in the enormity of
      what had occurred there nestled in this middle and
      working class neighborhood. How could human beings do
      this to other human beings, hear their cries, their
      pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without
      apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some
      times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable
      of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of
      the Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in
      1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman.

      Because even in the United States not all was a Rose
      Garden. For a long time Jews had quotas in our
      universities and graduate schools. Only so many Jews
      could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews
      were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes
      told without a wince - "Why do Jews have such big noses?"

      Well, now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is
      theirs. And that's the point. It doesn't matter how many
      times the United States and European powers try to rein
      in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation,
      its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever
      fought to save her cubs. They will fight with a ferocity,
      a determination, and a skill, that will astound us. And
      many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe.
      If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my
      money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end.
      As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of
      World War II, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal
      attackers, until there are not enough to torment them.
      The irony goes unnoticed - while we are hammering away to
      punish those who brought the horrors of last September
      here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation.
      Not the same thing, of course - We are they. While we
      mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that
      Israel has a September 11th sometimes every day. We may
      not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it
      doesn't make any difference whether you are pro-Israeli
      or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If
      it comes to where a new holocaust looms - with or without
      the concurrence of the United States and Europe - Israel
      will lash out without pause or restraint at those who
      would try to annihilate their country. The Jews will not
      go quietly again.

      Joe McCain
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      Article by Mitch Albom Date: Mon,
      22 Apr 2002 08:47:08 -0400

      BY MITCH ALBOM, FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
      When suicide bombers attacked America last September,
      nothing could stop our retaliation. Yet when suicide
      bombers attack Israel, week after week, Israel is told --
      even by Americans
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      A Letter to the World from a woman of Israel - August
      2002 - after more than 600 Israelis have been blown apart
      in more than 70 homicide attacks by Palestinian Arabs.

      This is from an Israeli woman. Read on and smile!

      I am not the least afraid to go any place, by bus or to a
      mall. I didn't change or stop doing ANYthing I used to do
      before this mess began! People tend to forget that twice
      the casualties from terror get killed on the roads! More
      people still die from heart attack, cancer, and other
      things; they just don't show them on TV. Don't
      misunderstand me, there is a war going on, it's not
      pleasant, but lets face it. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BETTER!!!!
      It's only TV and media that make people think it's the
      end of the world coming.

      Only 60 years ago!! They were leading Jews to their death
      like sheep to the slaughter! No country, no army. 55
      years ago!! Seven Arab countries declared war on the
      small Jewish state, only a few hours old!! We were then
      650,000 Jews! Against the rest of the Arab world! No IDF,
      no mighty air force, just tough people with nowhere to go
      Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia,
      attacked all at once).

      The country the U.N. "gave us" was 65% desert. The
      country started from scratch! 35 years ago!! We fought
      the three strongest armies in the Middle East, and wiped
      them out in six days. We fought against different
      coalitions of Arab countries, with modern armies, and
      masses of Russian soviet weapons, and still won!!!

      We have today a country, and an army, and a strong air
      force, and hi-tech economy, exporting millions,
      Intel-Microsoft-IBM develop their stuff here, our doctors
      win world prizes for medical developments, we made the
      desert flourish, selling oranges and vegetables to the
      world. Israel has sent its own satellite into space
      (three satellites all together!!), we sit proudly with
      the U.S.. (250 million people), Russia 200 million
      people!), China (1.1 billion), the Europeans
      France-England-Germany (350 million), as the only
      countries in the world to shoot something into space!!

      Israel is today in the world nuclear power family with
      U.S, Russia, China, India, France, and England. (We
      don't admit it, but every one knows...) To think that
      only 60 years ago, we were led, shameful, with no hope,
      to our death!! We crawled out of the burning ashes of
      Europe. We won our wars here with less than nothing in
      our hands. We built an "empire" out of nothing. Who the
      hell is Mr. Draft to make me scared? Terrified? You make
      me laugh!

      Passover was a few months ago; let's not forget what the
      story is all about. We overcame Pharaoh, we overcame the
      Greeks, the Romans, the inquisition in Spain, we overcame
      the pogroms in Russia, we overcame Hitler, the Germans,
      the Holocaust, we overcame seven other Arab countries at
      once, we overcame Saddam. Take it easy, folks, we will
      overcome these ones, too. No matter at what part of human
      history you try! To think, for us, the Jewish people,
      our situation has never been better!!! So let's lift our
      heads high, and remember: any nation or culture that
      tried to mess around with us was destroyed to the ground
      - while we kept going!!! Egypt? Anyone know where their
      empire disappeared to? The Greeks? Alexander of
      Macedonia? The Romans? Anyone today speak Latin? The
      Third Reich? Anyone heard any news about it lately?

      And look at us, the nation from the Bible, from slavery
      in Egypt. We are still here, speaking the same
      language!! Right here, right now.

      The Arabs don't know it yet, but they will learn there is
      one God. As long as we keep our identity, we are eternal.

      So, sorry for not worrying, bitching, crying, or being
      scared. Things are going O.K.'d here in Israel. They
      surely can go better, but still, don't fall for the media
      junk, they won't tell you that there are festivals going
      on, people keep on living, going out, seeing friends.

      Yes, our morale is low, so what? It's only because we
      weep for our dead while they enjoy the blood (and this is
      the same reason why, we will win, after all).

      You can forward this e-mail (if you choose) to the whole
      of the Jewish community, and the people of the world.
      They are part of our strength and it might help some of
      them to keep their head up high.

      Tell them there is nothing to worry about. Tell them to
      think BIG and to see the whole picture.
      "See you next year in Jerusalem." Truth is the best means
      to counter mis-information.
      Have a nice day!
      L'SHANA TOVA! (New Years Wish)
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      The Jews Took No One's Land
      By Joseph Farrah

      As the most visible Arab-American critic of Yasser Arafat
      and the phony "Palestinian" agenda, I get a lot of hate
      mail. I've even received more than my share of death
      threats. Most of those who attack me - at least those who
      bother to get beyond the four-letter words and insults -
      say I just don't understand or have sympathy for these
      poor Arabs who were displaced, chased out of their homes
      and turned into refugees by the Israelis. Let me state
      this plainly and clearly: The Jews in Israel took no
      one's land.

      When Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in the 19th
      century, he was greatly disappointed. He didn't see any
      people. He referred to it as a vast wasteland. The land
      we now know as Israel was practically - deserted. By the
      beginning of the 20th century, that began to change. Jews
      from all over the world began to return to their
      ancestral homeland - the Promised Land Moses and Joshua
      had conquered millennia earlier, Christians and Jews
      believe, on the direct orders of God. That's not to say
      there wasn't always a strong Jewish presence in the land
      - particularly in and around Jerusalem. In 1854,
      according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews
      constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy
      city. The source for that statistic? A journalist on
      assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune.
      His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.

      A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906
      by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when
      the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim
      population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates
      the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000
      were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were
      Jews. "The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last
      few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden
      to immigrate or to possess landed property," the book
      states. Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they
      came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming
      majority of the population as early as 1906. And even
      though Muslims today claim Jerusalem as the third holiest
      site in Islam, when the city was under Islamic rule, they
      had little interest in it.

      As the Jews came, drained the swamps and made the deserts
      bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs
      followed. I don't blame them. They had good reason to
      come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They
      came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.

      Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being
      persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and
      multiplied till their population has increased more than
      even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish
      population." Then came 1948 and the great partition. The
      United Nations proposed the creation of two states in the
      region - one Jewish, one Arab. The Jews accepted it
      gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and
      declared war. Arab leaders urged Arabs to leave the area
      so they would not be caught in the crossfire. They could
      return to their homes, they were told, after Israel was
      crushed and the Jews destroyed. It didn't work out that
      way. By most counts, several hundred thousand Arabs were
      displaced by this war - not by Israeli aggression, not by
      some Jewish real-estate grab, not by Israeli
      expansionism. In fact, there are many historical records
      showing the Jews urged the Arabs to stay and live with
      them in peace. But, tragically, they chose to leave.

      Fifty-four years later, the sons and daughters and
      grandsons and granddaughters of those refugees are
      all-too-often still living in refugee camps, not because
      of Israeli intransigence, but because they are misused as
      a political tool of the Arab powers. Those poor
      unfortunates could be settled in a week by the rich Arab
      oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East
      landmass, but they are kept as virtual prisoners, filled
      with misplaced hatred for Jews and armed as suicide
      martyrs by the Arab power brokers.

      This is the modern real history of the Arab-Israeli
      conflict. At no time did the Jews uproot Arab families
      from their homes. When there were title deeds to be
      purchased, they bought them at inflated prices. When
      there were not, they worked the land so they could have a
      place to live without the persecution they faced
      throughout the world.

      It's a great big lie that the Israelis displaced anyone,
      one of a series of lies and myths that have the world on
      the verge of committing yet another great injustice to
      the Jews.

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      THE UNIQUE COWARDICE OF PALESTINIAN TERRORISM

      23 November 2002

      Louis Rene Beres Professor of International Law,
      Department of Political Science, Purdue University
      West Lafayette IN 47907 USA

      TEL 765/494-4189, FAX 765/494-0833, E MAIL
      BERES@POLSCI.PURDUE.EDU

      As of November 20, 2002, there had been a total of 15,298
      Palestinian terror attacks against Israel since the start
      of the "intifada" in September 2000. The number increased
      by one a day later, on November 21, when a Palestinian
      bomber blew up a bus filled with elderly women and young
      children in Jerusalem. Not surprisingly, the world has
      likely taken more angry notice of Israel's defensive
      actions to prevent further terror than of the grotesque
      cowardice of Palestinian terrorism. Murdered Jews, after
      all, are an old story.

      Israelis have endured nearly one terror attack every hour
      of every day for twenty-five consecutive months. These
      attacks have had nothing to do with self-determination or
      freedom-fighting. Rather, they have targeted, almost
      exclusively, the most vulnerable and defenseless
      civilians. And while Palestinian propaganda, funded
      heavily from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, always seeks
      to suggest equivalence between Arab terror and Israeli
      counterterror, there is a longstanding and meaningful
      difference between premeditated murder and unintentional
      casualties of essential self-defense against murder.

      Nonetheless, the world chooses not to notice. At best,
      public opinion refuses to blame the Palestinians or
      supporters of Arab/Islamic terror in other countries. At
      worst, public opinion openly supports such terror as
      "national liberation."

      Universities, at best, are unmindful. The scholars are
      busy with more weighty matters, especially those that do
      not pertain to real life in any way. In academe the truly
      fashionable concern is now for "diversity," "strategic
      planning" and "multiculturism." Understandably, there is
      no time for Jewish agony, anguish and suffering.

      Who is to blame for cowardly forms of terror? If the
      Palestinians are to be blamed at all, we hear from almost
      all educated quarters, responsibility belongs only to
      Hamas, or to Islamic Jihad, or perhaps to Nobel laureate
      Arafat's Fatah. But surely it does not belong to the
      broader Palestinian community. Surely only the Arab
      "extremists" are blameworthy.

      Yet, as we learn from all reliable survey research, an
      enormously disproportionate share of Palestinians fully
      supports the bus bombings, the burnings, the lynchings,
      and the shootings of Jewish noncombatants. Enjoying the
      now open support of Al Qaeda - support which is often
      accepted gratefully and without embarrassment -
      Palestinians in Israel as well as in Judea, Samaria and
      Gaza revel proudly in shedding the blood of Jewish
      children. And why not? Most of the "civilized world"
      argues that they may wage their particular armed struggle
      "by any means necessary." And the killing of Jews always
      buys them and their families a secure place in Paradise.

      What could be easier to understand? Of course they could
      earn such a piece of immortality just as confidently by
      targeting Israeli military personnel, but they avoid such
      an option wherever possible. That course, after all,
      would require courage.

      The cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist is
      unparalleled in the history of insurgent warfare.
      Although there is no shortage of examples of
      revolutionary fighters who disregard humanitarian
      boundaries in battle, the record of fighters who
      purposely and consistently seek utterly innocent and
      defenseless targets is actually very small. Several weeks
      ago, when a Palestinian terrorist machine gunned two
      Jewish infants still sucking on pacifiers (after stabbing
      the mother), the image of the murdered children was a
      source of feverish exaltation throughout the Palestinian
      communities in Jenin, Ramallah and Gaza. When, a year
      earlier, a newborn Jewish child was shot deliberately by
      a sniper, Palestinian celebrants hailed the murder as
      "yet another military victory against the Zionist
      occupation." When, several years ago, two Russian-Jewish
      Israelis who had not yet learned to speak Hebrew took a
      wrong turn into Ramallah, they were torn apart -
      literally - by howling mobs of frenzied Palestinians.
      When, after blinding and disemboweling the two Israelis,
      several young men in a Palestinian "police station" held
      up the still-dripping eyes and internal organs for all to
      see, THOUSANDS of ordinary Palestinians began to dance
      and chant wildly. And when, so very recently, a
      terrorist from Bethlehem entered the Jerusalem bus on
      November 21, he waited, patiently, until it was fully
      loaded with schoolchildren. Only then, only then - did he
      turn his wretchedly defiled body into a bomb.

      What kind of people are these? What boundless levels of
      cowardice are they willing to undertake and sustain? What
      manner of fear can occasion such an utter lack of human
      regard for life? What vision of "Jihad" can transform
      schools, nurseries and buses into exploding altars of
      human sacrifice? Are there no limits, no limits at all,
      to Palestinian terrorism?

      I don't know the complete answers to these questions. I
      do know, however, that it is not despair. There are many,
      many other peoples on this planet whose conditions of
      daily life are much, much worse – indescribably worse -
      and these people never resort to pure barbarism. I know,
      also, that Palestinian schools and mosques systematically
      demonize "The Jew" and emphasize his or her alleged
      subhumanity. It is far easier to kill "the sons of pigs
      and monkeys" than it is to kill a fellow human being.

      But this still does not explain the incomparable
      cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist. I suspect the
      truest answer has something to do with this murderer's
      overwhelming fears of death. Let us not forget that the
      suicide/homicide bomber does not really feel he is giving
      up his own life in his terrible deed. Rather, he murders
      Jews to ensure his absolute freedom from death - and
      also, according to the latest authoritative rulings of
      Arab clerics, the immortality of his closest relatives –
      by "dying" for the sake of Allah. "Do not consider those
      who are slain in the cause of Allah as dead," says the
      Koran. "They are living by their Lord."

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      Dennis Miller on Israel

      "For those who don't know, Dennis Miller is a comedian
      who has a show called Dennis Miller Live on HBO. He
      recently went on a rant about the situation:

      "A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so
      as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I
      now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few
      paragraphs, which is all you really need.
      Don't thank me. I'm a giver. Here we go:

      The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one
      thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made
      up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand
      years. Like "Wiccan", "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is
      really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the
      land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no
      "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by
      Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as
      the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as
      basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the
      Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their
      lost "land" and "nation."

      So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word
      "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful
      folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone
      points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them
      what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything
      In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive
      Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

      I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How
      about this, then: Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the
      Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just
      one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their
      own country any time in the last thirty years, especially
      two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own
      country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage
      trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually
      have to figure out some way to make a living. That's no
      fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the
      region want: Israel.

      They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course --
      that's where the real fun is
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      NYPOST.COM Post Opinion: Oped Columnists: SOMETHING
      ROTTEN IN DENMARK? By DANIEL PIPES & LARS HEDEGAARD

      August 27, 2002
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      I Stand with Israel: I Stand with the Jews
      By Oriana Fallaci

      Corriere della Sera | December 2, 2002
      [A French court on Nov. 20, 2002, dismissed a request to
      ban "The Rage and the Pride," the best-selling book by
      [leftist] Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci that critics
      say incites hatred of Muslims. Fallaci, 73, is a former
      Resistance fighter and war correspondent best-known for
      her uncompromising interviews with world leaders]

      I find it shameful that in Italy there should be a
      procession of individuals dressed as suicide bombers who
      spew vile abuse at Israel, hold up photographs of Israeli
      leaders on whose foreheads they have drawn the swastika,
      incite people to hate the Jews. And who, in order to see
      Jews once again in the extermination camps, in the gas
      chambers, in the ovens of Dachau and Mauthausen and
      Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen et cetera, would sell their
      own mother to a harem.

      I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit
      a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a
      saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of
      arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of
      his sacred Mercedes, to participate in that procession
      and plant himself in front of a microphone to thank in
      the name of God the suicide bombers who massacre the Jews
      in pizzerias and supermarkets. To call them "martyrs who
      go to their deaths as to a party."

      I find it shameful that in France, the France of
      Liberty-Equality-Fraternity, they burn synagogues,
      terrorize Jews, profane their cemeteries.

      I find it shameful that the youth of Holland and Germany
      and Denmark flaunt the kaffiah just as Mussolini's avant
      garde used to flaunt the club and the fascist badge.

      I find it shameful that in nearly all the universities of
      Europe Palestinian students sponsor and nurture
      anti-Semitism. That in Sweden they asked that the Nobel
      Peace Prize given to Shimon Peres in 1994 be taken back
      and conferred on the dove with the olive branch in his
      mouth, that is on Arafat. I find it shameful that the
      distinguished members of the Committee, a Committee that
      (it would appear) rewards political color rather than
      merit, should take this request into consideration and
      even respond to it. In hell the Nobel Prize honors he who
      does not receive it.

      I find it shameful (we're back in Italy) that state-run
      television stations contribute to the resurgent
      anti-Semitism, crying only over Palestinian deaths while
      playing down Israeli deaths, glossing over them in
      unwilling tones.

      I find it shameful that in their debates they host with
      much deference the scoundrels with turban or kaffiah who
      yesterday sang hymns to the slaughter at New York and
      today sing hymns to the slaughters at Jerusalem, at
      Haifa, at Netanya, at Tel Aviv.

      I find it shameful that the press does the same, that it
      is indignant because Israeli tanks surround the Church of
      the Nativity in Bethlehem, that it is not indignant
      because inside that same church two hundred Palestinian
      terrorists well armed with machine guns and munitions and
      explosives (among them are various leaders of Hamas and
      Al-Aqsa) are not unwelcome guests of the monks (who then
      accept bottles of mineral water and jars of honey from
      the soldiers of those tanks).

      I find it shameful that, in giving the number of Israelis
      killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada (four
      hundred twelve), a noted daily newspaper found it
      appropriate to underline in capital letters that more
      people are killed in their traffic accidents. (Six
      hundred a year).

      I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper
      of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing
      Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of
      extermination a people who were exterminated in the
      millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful
      that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that
      people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on
      their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to
      not be exterminated again.

      I find it shameful that in the name of Jesus Christ (a
      Jew without whom they would all be unemployed), the
      priests of our parishes or Social Centers or whatever
      they are flirt with the assassins of those in Jerusalem
      who cannot go to eat a pizza or buy some eggs without
      being blown up.

      I find it shameful that they are on the side of the very
      ones who inaugurated terrorism, killing us on airplanes,
      in airports, at the Olympics, and who today entertain
      themselves by killing western journalists. By shooting
      them, abducting them, cutting their throats, decapitating
      them. (There's someone in Italy who, since the appearance
      of Anger and Pride, would like to do the same to me.
      Citing verses of the Koran he exorts his "brothers" in
      the mosques and the Islamic Community to chastise me in
      the name of Allah. To kill me. Or rather to die with me.
      Since he's someone who speaks English well, I'll respond
      to him in English: "F*** you.")

      I find it shameful that almost all of the left, the left
      that twenty years ago permitted one of its union
      processionals to deposit a coffin (as a mafioso warning)
      in front of the synagogue of Rome, forgets the
      contribution made by the Jews to the fight against
      fascism. Made by Carlo and Nello Rossini, for example, by
      Leone Ginzburg, by Umberto Terracini, by Leo Valiani, by
      Emilio Sereni, by women like my friend Anna Maria
      Enriques Agnoletti who was shot at Florence on June 12,
      1944, by seventy-five of the three-hundred-thirty-five
      people killed at the Fosse Ardeatine, by the infinite
      others killed under torture or in combat or before
      firing squads. (The companions, the teachers, of my
      infancy and my youth.)

      I find it shameful that in part through the fault of the
      left--or rather, primarily through the fault of the left
      (think of the left that inaugurates its congresses
      applauding the representative of the PLO, leader in Italy
      of the Palestinians who want the destruction of
      Israel)--Jews in Italian cities are once again afraid.
      And in French cities and Dutch cities and Danish cities
      and German cities, it is the same.

      I find it shameful that Jews tremble at the passage of
      the scoundrels dressed like suicide bombers just as they
      trembled during Krystallnacht, the night in which Hitler
      gave free rein to the Hunt of the Jews.

      I find it shameful that in obedience to the stupid, vile,
      dishonest, and for them extremely advantageous fashion of
      Political Correctness the usual opportunists--or better
      the usual parasites--exploit the word Peace. That in the
      name of the word Peace, by now more debauched than the
      words Love and Humanity, they absolve one side alone of
      its hate and bestiality. That in the name of a pacifism
      (read conformism) delegated to the singing crickets and
      buffoons who used to lick Pol Pot's feet they incite
      people who are confused or ingenuous or intimidated.
      Trick them, corrupt them, carry them back a half century
      to the time of the yellow star on the coat. These
      charlatans who care about the Palestinians as much as I
      care about the charlatans. That is not at all.

      I find it shameful that many Italians and many Europeans
      have chosen as their standard-bearer the gentleman (or so
      it is polite to say) Arafat. This nonentity who thanks to
      the money of the Saudi Royal Family plays the Mussolini
      ad perpetuum and in his megalomania believes he will pass
      into History as the George Washington of Palestine. This
      ungrammatical wretch who when I interviewed him was
      unable even to put together a complete sentence, to make
      articulate conversation. So that to put it all together,
      write it, publish it, cost me a tremendous effort and I
      concluded that compared to him even Ghaddafi sounds like
      Leonardo da Vinci. This false warrior who always goes
      around in uniform like Pinochet, never putting on
      civilian garb, and yet despite this has never
      participated in
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        This false warrior who always goes around in uniform like
        Pinochet, never putting on civilian garb, and yet despite
        this has never participated in a battle. War is something
        he sends, has always sent, others to do for him. That is,
        the poor souls who believe in him. This pompous
        incompetent who playing the part of Head of State caused
        the failure of the Camp David negotiations, Clinton's
        mediation. No-no-I-want-Jerusalem-all-to-myself. This
        eternal liar who has a flash of sincerity only when (in
        private) he denies Israel's right to exist, and who as I
        say in my book contradicts himself every five minutes. He
        always plays th double-cross, lies ven if you ask him
        what time it is, so that you can never trust him. Never!
        With him you will always wind up systematically betrayed.
        This eternal terrorist who knows only how to be a
        terrorist (while keeping himself safe) and who during the
        Seventies, that is when I interviewed him, even trained
        the terrorists of Baader-Meinhof. With them, children ten
        years of age. Poor children. (Now he trains them to
        become suicide bombers. A hundred baby suicide bombers
        are in the works: a hundred!). This weathercock who keeps
        his wife at Paris, served and revered like a queen, and
        keeps his people down in the s***. He takes them out of
        the s*** only to send them to die, to kill and to die,
        like the eighteen year old girls who in order to earn
        equality with the fate of their victims. And yet many
        Italians love him, yes. Just like they loved Mussolini.
        And many other Europeans do the same.

        I find it shameful and see in all this the rise of a new
        fascism, a new nazism. A fascism, a nazism, that much
        more grim and revolting because it is conducted and
        nourished by those who hypocritically pose as do-gooders,
        progressives, communists, pacifists, Catholics or rather
        Christians, and who have the gall to label a warmonger
        anyone like me who screams the truth. I see it, yes, and
        I say the following. I have never been tender with the
        tragic and Shakespearean figure Sharon. ("I know you've
        come to add another scalp to your necklace," he murmured
        almost with sadness when I went to interview him in
        1982.) I have often had disagreements with the Israelis,
        ugly ones, and in the past I have defended the
        Palestinians a great deal. Maybe more than they deserved.

        But I stand with Israel, I stand with the Jews. I stand
        just as I stood as a young girl during the time when I
        fought with them, and when the Anna Marias were shot. I
        defend their right to exist, to defend themselves, to not
        let themselves be exterminated a second time. And
        disgusted by the anti-Semitism of many Italians, of many
        Europeans, I am ashamed of this shame that dishonors my
        Country and Europe. At best, it is not a community of
        States, but a pit of Pontius Pilates. And even if all the
        inhabitants of this planet were to think otherwise, I
        would continue to think so.

        www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4830

        I do Zydów: Umniejszając i obrażając innych,
        umniejszajecie i obrażacie sami siebie.
    • Gość: U Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.214.79.170.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 28.12.02, 15:05
      Dluuuugie to i niczego nie dowodzi.Dalej-nie powinienes
      mieszac do tego Zydow.Fakt,Zydzi placa wysoka cene za
      akcje tych,ktorzy nazywaja sie Zydami,a nimi nie sa.W tym
      dlugim poscie brakuje mi jednego.Retrospektywnego
      spojrzenia wewnatrz nich samych i prostego pytania-a moze
      my jestesmy czegos winni?Moze cos trza by zmienic.Moze
      czas na poprawki?

      Pozdrowienia.
      • Gość: Ala Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: proxy / 213.138.106.* 28.12.02, 15:36
        Dzialo sie wiele haniebnych rzeczy w historii.Polityka nie zna Boga.
        Nie znaczy to wcale,ze TYLKO Zydzi ciagle byli i sa poszkodowani.Wyjrzyjcie
        troche dalej poza wasze nosy.Absolutnie nie usprawiedliwia dzisiejszych
        morderczych poczynan Izraela ,ze ktos kiedys mordowal Zydow.
        Powtarzacie to do znudzenia,tak jak byscie byli jedynym w historii
        nieszczesliwym narodem i za to nalezy sie Wam dzis sielanka kosztem innych.

        Nie znalezliscie sobie swojego paradaisu na Marsie,czy bezludnej wyspie,ale w
        kraju,gdzie od tysiecy lat zyja ludzie.
        Czasy sie zmienily.Informacje leca jak strzaly z jednego konca globu na
        drugi.Nikt dzis nie moze twierdzic,ze czegos nie wiedzial,jak kiedys.Dlatego MY
        wszyscy obserwujemy i Wiemy co sie tam codziennie dzieje. Wszystko wskazuje
        rowniez na to,ze nadszedl Holokaust II ,tym razem w wykonaniu zydowskim.
        Czy wlasnie to,ze swiat widzi i krytykuje jest tak dla Was denerwujace??
        • Gość: dana33 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 21:45
          mysmy nie znalezli zadnego paradaisu, jak mowisz, mysmy
          go sobie sami zbudowali, wlasnymi rekoma, potem, krwia i
          wlasna madroscia. Wiem ze natychmiast powiesz, ze i
          pieniedzmi amerykanskimi i zydowskimi, nu, to powiesz. I
          nawet jak ci przyznam racje, to i tak nie bedziesz gotowa
          przyznac MNIE racji, ze inne kraje tez dostaly pomoc
          finansowa z Ameryki, ale nie masz przykladu na to, co
          zrobil Izrael: w ciagu 30 lat zamienic pustynie na zyzny
          kraj, pelen zieleni, gdzie plony zbiera sie 3 razy w
          roku, nawet z ciezkimi problemami wody.
    • Gość: mefet fajne! IP: *.visp.energis.pl 28.12.02, 15:07
      Fajne!!!. Biednego żyda nienawidzi cały świat. Wszyscy i niemal po równo.
      Katolicy, prawosławni, protestanci, szyici, sunnici, buddyści, konfucjanie i
      animiści. Biednego żyda nienawidzą biali, czarni, żółci i czerwoni.
      Prześladowały biednego żyda cywilizacje egipskie, greckie, perskie, helleńskie,
      rzymskie, starożytne i nowoczesne. Gnębiły biednego żyda wszystkie kontynenty
      (Antarktyda chlubnym wyjątkiem!), wszystkie państwa ( łącznie z USA ),
      plemiona , szczepy, mniejszości i większości etniczne, seksualne, religijne.
      Biednemu żydowi nie pozostaje nic innego jak nienawidzieć świata.

      Skrajnie nacjonalistycznej i etnocetntrycznej manifestacji dawno nie czytałem.
    • titus_flavius Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? 28.12.02, 15:42
      Ave,
      niewykluczone - gdyż żydów w Chinach jeszcze nie było.
      T.
      • Gość: dana33 Re: Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 15:50
        Mylisz sie, byli i sa.
      • Gość: mefet Re: Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? IP: *.visp.energis.pl 28.12.02, 16:42
        titus_flavius napisał:

        > Ave,
        > niewykluczone - gdyż żydów w Chinach jeszcze nie było.
        > T.

        Od czasu kiedy CHRL jest w RB ONZ, głosowała za wszystkimi rezolucjami
        potępiającymi Izrael. To by znaczyło, że Cińczycy polityki Izraela nie
        popierają więc - za rozumowaniem Dana 33 i podobnych- Żydów nienawidzą.
        • titus_flavius Re: Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? 28.12.02, 16:44
          Gość portalu: mefet napisał(a):

          > titus_flavius napisał:
          >
          > > Ave,
          > > niewykluczone - gdyż żydów w Chinach jeszcze nie było.
          > > T.
          >
          > Od czasu kiedy CHRL jest w RB ONZ, głosowała za wszystkimi rezolucjami
          > potępiającymi Izrael. To by znaczyło, że Cińczycy polityki Izraela nie
          > popierają więc - za rozumowaniem Dana 33 i podobnych- Żydów nienawidzą.

          Ave,
          to by oznaczało, że w Cinach żydzi już byli :o).
          T.
          • Gość: mefet Re: Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? IP: *.visp.energis.pl 28.12.02, 16:50
            titus_flavius napisał:

            >
            > >
            > > Od czasu kiedy CHRL jest w RB ONZ, głosowała za wszystkimi rezolucjami
            > > potępiającymi Izrael. To by znaczyło, że Cińczycy polityki Izraela nie
            > > popierają więc - za rozumowaniem Dana 33 i podobnych- Żydów nienawidzą.
            >
            > Ave,
            > to by oznaczało, że w Cinach żydzi już byli :o).

            Albo, że Cjińczycy to przezorny i przewidujący naród :o).
            > T.
      • apolinary2 Czy Chińczycy lubią żydów? 28.12.02, 16:55
        titus_flavius napisał:

        > Ave,
        > niewykluczone - gdyż żydów w Chinach jeszcze nie było.
        > T.

        Mylisz się w Chinach mieszkajom muzułmanie ok 100 milionów
        więc tylu obywateli Chin nie przepada za Izraelem .
        Jak już to Japonia , Korea ale tam znowu nie lubią USA a to
        się niektórym .....!
    • kyle_broflovski Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. 28.12.02, 16:12
      wiele narodow bylo i jest przesladowane. niektore na skutek przesladowan
      zniknely. moze przesladowania zapobiegly asymilacji Zydow.
    • Gość: PULS Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów IP: *.tnt89.chi5.da.uu.net 28.12.02, 16:24
      nienawidzacych nie zydow tu jest.Po angielsku
      i napisane przez Zyda-dla Zydow.Jedno pytanie:
      Czy Zyd nienawidzacy Zyda jest antysemita tez?
      www.hoffman-info.com/shamir.html
      • Gość: Fredzio54 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów IP: *.red.bezeqint.net 28.12.02, 16:27
        Gość portalu: PULS napisał(a):

        > nienawidzacych nie zydow tu jest.Po angielsku
        > i napisane przez Zyda-dla Zydow.Jedno pytanie:
        > Czy Zyd nienawidzacy Zyda jest antysemita tez?
        > <a href="http://www.hoffman-info.com/shamir.html"target="_blank">www.hoffman-
        in
        > fo.com/shamir.html</a>
        Tak jak Zyd nie kocha Polaka jest Filopolonij !
      • Gość: dana33 Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 22:03
        Kazdy moze pisac co chce, jak wiadomo papier jest
        cierpliwy. Autor tego artykulu po prostu zapomnial pare
        faktow, z ktorych glownym jest, ze Izrael zostal
        stworzony przez Zydow dla Zydow i tylko i wylacznie dla
        Zydow. Wprawdzie mamy przedstawicieli parti arabskich w
        parlamencie, ale to wcale nie znaczy, ze w izraelskich
        gazetach, sadach, ministerstwach maja pracowac nie Zydzi
        (nawet jak pracuja, jest masa izraelskich Arabow
        pracujaca w izraelskich biurach, urzedach, szpitalach,
        szkolach !!!, bankachm sklepach, restauracjach, hotelach
        itd itd) i podawanie procentualne jest tez idiotyczne,
        jako ze naprawde nie musimy dbac o miejsca pracy dla
        goijm, jak sie wyraza autor artykulu. Nie Zydzi maja zaly
        swiat do wyboru, my Zydzi mamy tylko jeden malutki
        kawalek ziemi i on nalezy w pierwszej lini do nas.
        Rowniez jego opis dziecka przed "machine gunner" jest
        demagogia (jak caly artykul), jako ze autor nie
        zastanawia sie nawet na minute, co robi dziecko w
        pierwszej lini w takim miejscu, gdzie sa jego rodzice,
        dlaczego na to pozwalaja, dlaczego nie widzimy nigdy
        izraelskiego dziecka stojacego przed arabskim "gunner".
        Jestem pewna, ze masa ludzi w Izraelu chce "zabic
        wszystkich Arabow", nu, to chce, ale jeszcze nie rzucaja
        sie na arabskie autobusy i restauracje. Ja nie pojde
        dzisiaj do arabskiej czesci Jerozolimy, bo nie wyjde
        stamtad zywa, natomiast ulice, sklepy i kaniony tzw,
        zachodniej Jerozolimy sa pelne Arabow, calych arabskich
        rodzin, ktore spokojnie robia zakupy w zydowskich
        sklepach, bez najmniejszej obawy. I sa tez uprzejmie
        obsluzeni.
    • titus_flavius Dlaczego żydzi nienawidzą reszty ludzkości? 28.12.02, 16:43
      Ave,
      dla przypomnienia: dla żydów ludzie dzielą się na żydów i resztę, czyli gojów.
      Talmud szczegółowo opisuje, jak żydzi widzą relacje pomiędzy sobą, a gojami:
      żydzi mają mieć władzę nad światem, a goje mają im służyć, albo będą
      eksterminowani. Żydzi uważają, że jest to w porządku, ponieważ tak obiecał ich
      opiekuńczy bożek plemienny JHWH.
      T.
      • Gość: Fredzio54 Re: Dlaczego żydzi nienawidzą reszty ludzkości? IP: *.red.bezeqint.net 28.12.02, 16:49
        titus_flavius napisał:

        > Ave,
        > dla przypomnienia: dla żydów ludzie dzielą się na żydów i resztę, czyli
        gojów.
        > Talmud szczegółowo opisuje, jak żydzi widzą relacje pomiędzy sobą, a gojami:
        > żydzi mają mieć władzę nad światem, a goje mają im służyć, albo będą
        > eksterminowani. Żydzi uważają, że jest to w porządku, ponieważ tak obiecał
        ich
        > opiekuńczy bożek plemienny JHWH.
        > T.
        Abdula twoj Kuran jest lepszy
        Dzieli swait Muzelmanow co maja wszystkie Prawa
        i Nie Muzelmani nazwane "Demi" Ludzie Kategori B co mozna ich zarznonc ich
        Kobiet Gwalcic i zieci zamrdowac.
        Dzisaj Zyjem to codzienie ten IslaM Humanistyczny
        jak stry Kato w Rzymie powtarzal
        " Islam czeba zbuzyc... "
      • Gość: dana33 Re: Dlaczego żydzi nienawidzą reszty ludzkości? IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 22:28
        A Tobie, titusie, z Twoja idiotyczna pogarda dla Boga
        innych, zacytuje Twojego Jezusa, wprawdzie Zyda, ale
        Twojego: "ten rzuci pierwszy kamien, ktory jest bez winy"
    • Gość: polit Re: Do wszystkich nienawidzących Zydów i do tych. IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 28.12.02, 16:56
      Dana33!Wrocmy na tym forum do Michaela Friedmana zaco go nie potrafie
      scierpiec.Rodzice pochodzili z okolic Krakowa i w czasie wojny zostali
      uratowani przez Schindlera(z pewnoscia znasz ten film)ale juz Michael jest
      urodzony w Paryzu gdzie rodzice mieli luksusowe kusnierstwo(skad mieli
      pieniadze na to CISZA-bo Schindler umarl w biedzie).Nastepnie otworzyli znow
      zaklad w Frankfurcie i tu wsrod tych MORDERCOW Michael skonczyl prawo i teraz
      jako czlonek partii chrzescijanskiej z pelna nienawiscia wyraza sie o Niemcach
      a tych ktorzy jego krytykuja to krytykuja nie Friedmana ale Zyda-i juz
      Mölleman pozegnal sie z polityka.Znam ta sprawe dokladnie bo tez mialem ta
      slynna ulotke i nie podlega tresc tego dyskusji.Obojetnie-jak skrytykuje sie
      osobnika ktory jest Zydem to jest zaraz atak na caly narod Zydowski i to
      sprawia w ostatnich czasach ze antysemityzm sie rozwija bo jezeli ktos
      osobiscie nie znosi krytyki to nie musi do tego dorabiac ideologii.
      • wilk_dla_renegatow Dan 33 zydowski slugusie. 28.12.02, 17:05
        Porozmawiaj z rodzinami ofiar zydowskich sledczych. Porzmawiaj o
        GRodnie.Porozmawiaj o zydach ktorzy wydawali zolnierzy AK. Biedny Zydzi...Caly
        swiat przeciwko nim...
        • Gość: Fredzio54 Re: Dan 33 zydowski slugusie. IP: *.red.bezeqint.net 28.12.02, 17:31
          wilk_dla_renegatow napisał:

          > Porozmawiaj z rodzinami ofiar zydowskich sledczych. Porzmawiaj o
          > GRodnie.Porozmawiaj o zydach ktorzy wydawali zolnierzy AK. Biedny
          Zydzi...Caly
          > swiat przeciwko nim...
          Napewno te byli AKowace Mordowali Zydow w lesie albo w caszie Powastaniu
          Warszawskim czytalem o tym w Yadveshem Dokomentow Jerozolimie.
          UB byli Polacy i pare asymilowane Zyde !
          znano ze jednoski AK wojowali na Strone Hitlerow przeciwko Sowjetow
          jak ten General Brygady SS Polak Mieczyslaw Kamisnki z Poznania


          • Gość: polit Re: Dan 33 zydowski slugusie. IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 28.12.02, 20:49
            Koniec dyskusji.Fredzio blaznisz sie.
            • Gość: dana33 Re: Dan 33 zydowski slugusie. IP: *.j1.actcom.co.il 28.12.02, 22:20
              Moi drodzy polit i wilk, my dyskutujemy o problemie
              ogolnie czy o pojedynczych osobach. Mialam wrazenie, ze
              ogolnie, ale jesli chcecie o pojedynczych osobach, to
              oczywiscie, sluze paru nazwiskami, paru miejscami (nie
              zapomnijcie Kielc)i paru przykladami, no a juz argument
              skad kto mial na co pieniadze i ile, to juz jak to sie
              mowi, ponizej pasa, i ja napewno nie dam Wam przykladow
              jak niektorzy goje zdobywali pieniadze np w czasie wojny.
              W kazdym narodzie, rowniez u Zydow i rowniez u Polakow,
              znajdzie sie paru nieuczciwych ludzi, czasem wrecz
              przestepcow (i nie dam Wam przykladu np moich rodzicow i
              tego co przezyli w reki Polakow w czasie wojny), ale
              nigdy do glowy mi nie wpadlo, oskarzac WSZYSTKICH Polakow
              o takie niegodne zachowanie. Przeciwnie, zawsze bylam i
              jestem gotowa natychmiast dac przyklady, i to nie jeden,
              ze fakt, ze moja mama zyje do dzisiaj, jest zasluga
              Polakow i Niemcow, ktorzy we wlasciwym momencie umieli
              wyciagnac do tej zaszczutej, ukrywajacej sie Zydowki
              reke. Jak juz zaznaczylam, nie chce nikogo przekonywac o
              mojej racji, wszystkiego czego oczekuje od wszystkich
              ludzi, bez znaczenia na ich religie, pochodzenie, kolor
              skory, to tolerancja dla innych i chwila zastanowienia,
              zanim sie zacznie wszystkich prazyc w ogniu piekla.
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