Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,...

06.05.06, 08:03
Nie ten kit , ktory nam tu zionce sprzedaja ,...

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The complete text of The origin of Palestine-Israel Conflict
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Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East

As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an
equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict.
The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the
Palestinians are irrational "terrorists" who have no point of view worth
listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real
grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their
consent and mostly by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. And
all subsequent crimes - on both sides - inevitably follow from this original
injustice.

This paper outlines the history of Palestine to show how this process
occurred and what a moral solution to the region's problems should consist
of. If you care about the people of the Middle East, Jewish and Arab, you owe
it to yourself to read this account of the other side of the historical
record.

Introduction
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The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late
19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and
started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with
increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably
stemming from the Arabs' inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then
forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation
continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the
documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that
the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically
complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could
be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the
Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could
never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to
the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists'
intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying
because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab
society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project
never could have been realized without the military backing of the British.
The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic
since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the
rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn't matter. The Arabs' opposition to
Zionism wasn't based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear
of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is
critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the
Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation.
The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after
WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be
masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression.
Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930's and
after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic "land without people for a
people without land" was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This
is the root of the problem, as we shall see ,...

Reszta w linku ,... Polecam szczegolnie "Zionism and the Holocaust"
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www.cactus48.com/truth.html
    • explicit Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 16:01
      Gorzka prawda ,...

      uklony

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      Wasn't the main goal of Zionism to save Jews from the Holocaust?
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      "In 1938 a thirty-one nation conference was held in Evian, France, on
      resettlement of the victims of Nazism. The World Zionist Organization refused
      to participate, fearing that resettlement of Jews in other states would reduce
      the number available for Palestine." John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A
      Challenge to Justice."

      Main goal of Zionism - continued
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      "It was summed up in the meeting [of the Jewish Agency's Executive on June 26,
      1938] that the Zionist thing to do 'is belittle the [Evian] Conference as far
      as possible and to cause it to decide nothing...We are particularly worried
      that it would move Jewish organizations to collect large sums of money for aid
      to Jewish refugees, and these collections could interfere with our collection
      efforts'...Ben-Gurion's statement at the same meeting: 'No rationalization can
      turn the conference from a harmful to a useful one. What can and should be done
      is to limit the damage as far as possible.'" Israeli author Boas Evron, "Jewish
      State or Israeli Nation?" ,...

      • i-love-2-bike Re: Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 16:12
        no niestety jak tak spojrzysz to kiedys te narody jakos przedly,handlowaly
        sobie,robily to czy tamto i nikt nie zachowywal sie tak jak dzisiaj az USA
        wkroczylo do akcji i zaczelo macic takimi a nie innymi wsparciami pewnych
        narodow. no i walnelo i mamy co mamy na swiecie dzisiaj. miliardy wydane na
        zbrojenia i wojny jak widac NICZEGO nie rozwiazaly.
        • explicit Re: Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 16:52
          Rachel , USA wspomaga od '73 a tania jatka zaczela sie w '48 - Przedtem
          umizgiwali sie nazistom ,...

          uklony

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          no niestety jak tak spojrzysz to kiedys te narody jakos przedly,handlowaly
          sobie,robily to czy tamto i nikt nie zachowywal sie tak jak dzisiaj az USA
          wkroczylo do akcji i zaczelo macic ,...
          • i-love-2-bike Re: Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 16:54
            explicit napisał:

            > Rachel , USA wspomaga od '73 a tania jatka zaczela sie w '48 - Przedtem
            > umizgiwali sie nazistom ,...
            >
            > uklony
            >
            >i co z tego,wielu sie umizgiwalo,ale konflikt nie rozszerzal sie na pol
            swiata.jeszcze pare dekad temu mozna bylo spokojnie w pewne rejeny pojechac,a
            dzisiaj dzieki polityce "silnej reki" mamy tam tylko skrajnych oszolomow.
            • explicit Re: Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 17:12
              Proporcjonalnie nie wiecej , (chyba mniej) niz na tym forum ,...

              uklony

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              co z tego,wielu sie umizgiwalo,ale konflikt nie rozszerzal sie na pol
              swiata.jeszcze pare dekad temu mozna bylo spokojnie w pewne rejeny pojechac,a
              dzisiaj dzieki polityce "silnej reki" mamy tam tylko skrajnych oszolomow.
              • felusiak1 Kont widzenia splita circa 1° 06.05.06, 17:44
                tak czytam te twoje trele i zastanawiam sie o co ci chodzi?
                Wyszukujesz "źródła" i topisz się w źródlanych bzdurach.
                Chcesz coś "naukowo" udowodnić?
                Przyznaj, że Żydów nie cierpisz. Przyznaj, że Izrael i konflikt jest tylko
                kamuflażem głębszej, historycznie umotywowanej awersji. Przyznaj się, że twoi
                bliscy ucierpieli w czasie sowieckiej okupacji, zostali wywiezieni na białe
                niedźwiedzie a ich oprawcami byli sowieccy Żydzi. Mylę się?
                Przyznaj, że odreagowujesz.
                Wiesz mam takiego kolegę, równy chłop, dusza człowiek. Jeden szkopuł.
                W jego mniemaniu Żydzi winni są wszystkiemu. Jak mu interes nie idzie to wina
                Żydów, 20 cali śniegu - Żydzi, Katrina - Żydzi. Kiedy dostaje mandat za
                parkowanie to wini Bloomberga mówiąc " Zobacz jak ten żydzisko mnie reke do
                kieszeni wkłada".
                Gdzieś musi istnieć granica pomiędzy racjonalnościa a wybujałą wyobrażnia.
                A możę bame game poprawia samopoczucie?
                • explicit Re: Kont widzenia splita circa 1° 06.05.06, 22:24
                  Jesli kiedys poczuje potrzebe zastanawiania sie na twoim intelektem , umowie
                  sie z toba na partyjke szachow - Narazie nie czuje potrzeby ,...
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                  tak czytam te twoje trele i zastanawiam sie o co ci chodzi? Wyszukujesz
                  "źródła" i topisz się w źródlanych bzdurach. Chcesz coś "naukowo" udowodnić?


                  Tak i nie ,... "Tak" , byli to Zydzi , "nie" nie sowieccy - Sasiedzi ,...
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                  Przyznaj, że Żydów nie cierpisz. Przyznaj, że Izrael i konflikt jest tylko
                  kamuflażem głębszej, historycznie umotywowanej awersji. Przyznaj się, że twoi
                  bliscy ucierpieli w czasie sowieckiej okupacji, zostali wywiezieni na białe
                  niedźwiedzie a ich oprawcami byli sowieccy Żydzi. Mylę się?


                  E tam , felusiak , zycia moim krewnym nikt nie zwroci - Wazne jest tylko , zeby
                  nie pozwolic sie terroryzowac etykietka antysemityzmu i tolerowac ich klamstwa -

                  Nie jest przypadkiem , ze gdziekolwiek moga inwestuja najpierw w media ,...
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                  Przyznaj, że odreagowujesz.

                  uklony

    • itp432 Re: Historia konfliktu pod innym katem,... 06.05.06, 18:38
      zajrzyj do poczty
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