pennyroyal 17.11.06, 19:31 Czy ktoś moze mi go zdefiniować? Mam na myśli zwłaszcza termin "państwo postkapitalistyczne" ? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś czytaj wygodnie posty
jedenkruczek Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 17.11.06, 23:06 Postkapitalizm jest to świat jaki możemy oglądać na reklamach zachęcających do zaciągania kredytów. Wchodzisz do banku, uśmiechasz się, mówisz dzieńdobry i wtedy podbiega do ciebie taki czerwony piesek, zaczyna łasić się do ciebie, machać ogonkiem. Ten piesek u twoich stóp to właśnie kapitał. Wtedy podchodzisz do okienka i mówisz, że razem z żoną wpadliście na pomysł żeby tu nad wisłą chandlować złotem z Dubaju, albo zbudować jakąś rafinerię, albo, że razem z kolegami z pracy postanowiliście zbudować w bieszczadach miasto które przyćmi Las Vegas, a pani w okienku natychmiast (w kilka minut) otwiera ci linię kredytową na np. miliard dolarów. Tak więc pragnienie i wiedza są na pierwszym miejscu, a kapitał ma wartość tylko usługową, podrzędną. Nikomu nie imponuje bogactwo, ale mądrość i chart ducha, a kapitał jest dostępny dla każdego jak powszechna opieka zdrowotna. :) Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
misterpee Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 04:05 Chapter Four: The Time of Troubles Begins Volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts (Century IV, Quatrain 67) The Time of Troubles begins with a period of geological shifts. Frequent earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and disrupted weather systems become the norm. This will cause widespread famines, droughts, and social upheavals in unexpected places. Nations that are considered prosperous and powerful, particularly western nations, will be weakened. They will be torn with civil strife and rioting as people migrate to areas that have water and can support crop-growing. The social upheaval and weakening of political structures will help the Antichrist come to power. The United States in particular will be subject to serious natural disasters, particularly earthquakes and flooding, and flatten the nation from end to end, causing enormous conflict, despair, and misery. The US will be bankrupted attempting to deal with its disasters. Three other great nations will send aid to help the citizens survive. (Century VIII, Quatrain 29) Earth changes will take place that will help the Antichrist's drive for world conquest. In central Europe, southern Europe, and in the Middle East, around the eastern end of the Mediterranean, there will be severe floods. As a result of the disruption to local governments by the natural disasters, the Antichrist will move his troops in under the guise of helping the people restore civil order, but really use this as a device to take over countries, and to use the populations like slaves. Serious economic problems will persist along with great social unrest, contributing to the ease with which the Antichrist can seize power. The frightened and hopeful populace will be vulnerable to his demagoguery. The Antichrist will use the disasters as opportunities to overthrow governments and sneak spies into a country. Martial law will be declared in many areas to stop rioting and looting. The Middle East, the source of his power, will not be as devastated as the rest of the world. He offers assistance to other countries trying to recover but he will eventually stab them in the back. Antichrist's rise to power in Middle East (Century II, Quatrains 23 and 81) The Antichrist will take over Iran by using a human decoy to trick the Ayatollah in power. This will involve the "yes men" and puppets of the Ayatollah's court. The Antichrist will first drive away internal supporters of the Ayatollah by starting a civil war. Then he will put forth a man as a leader, a man for Iranians loyal to the Ayatollah to concentrate their hate on. The man will be assassinated while Iran is being taken over, and his opponents will think they have foiled the overthrow of power by assassinating him. But they will find out later he was merely a decoy and that they played into the plans of the Antichrist. The Antichrist will initially obtain power in his own sphere, Asia, and the Middle East. As he grows out of this arena, and into Europe, the next step will be into the Mediterranean, his area of strength. Because of his Middle Eastern heritage he will have already united North Africans, who are sympathetic to his cultural background, with his Asian and Middle Eastern conglomerate. Crazed leader launches nuclear bombs on Mediterranean and Europe (Century II, Quatrains 3 and 4) During a period of continuing unrest, the leader of a Middle Eastern country will be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. He will go to the greatest lengths over the smallest things and will not hesitate to use the weapon because of his obsessions with deadly warfare. The people he is warring against retaliate with a nuclear weapon. The country has a coast on the Mediterranean. One of the bombs will land in the Mediterranean instead of the land, poisoning all the fish. The passages of trade in the region will be disrupted so that the people on the other coast will be desperate for food and will eat the fish anyway. It will happen near the east coast of the Mediterranean in a region of dark-colored cliffs. The nuclear weapon being dropped by one of the Middle Eastern countries will spark off yet another war on top of that war. European nations will try to interfere to diminish the threat to oil supplies. When the European countries try to interfere, the crazed leader will use the rest of his arsenal on Europe, most striking the Italian Peninsula. The European Mediterranean coast, particularly that of Italy and France, will be almost uninhabitable, and Italy will get the brunt. This leader is not the Antichrist but helps to set the stage for the Antichrist to rise to power with little or no opposition. Fiasco from communication breakdown between two superpowers (Century II, Quatrains 35 and 48) Though a mistake, a breakdown in communications between two powerful countries will occur. The situation is a lot more complex than will appear on the surface. The leader involved will feel great regret about what happened and will want to continue his career and help correct the situation, to help make up for the adverse affects. But he will be hung, symbolically, by others wishing to take his position in the organization. He will be hung as far as politics and his career are concerned. It will almost be like committing suicide because in the end he will be a broken man. The entire event will be viewed as a fiasco from both sides. It will have very harmful and even cataclysmic consequences. Third world country leader creates strife (Century III, Quatrain 60) A "young dark man" will arise as a leader in a Third World country; his main goal is to unite the other Third World countries to do battle with the superpowers. The area of conflict will be in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, particularly around the Adriatic and the Caspian seas and Israel. No definite winner will emerge but the strife will help set the stage for the Antichrist. Many prophecies in the Bible refer to events in this region. Antichrist profits from radar research in Europe (Century I, Quatrain 6) Research on a more sophisticated type of radar and sensing devices will give greater information to the operator, i.e. an airplane pilot. But the first experiments with the technology will fail in a disastrous accident, when the vibrations emitted by the device cause the chassis of the plane to become weakened and dangerous. The scientists involved with the research will have to temporarily abandon the research because of diplomatic breakdowns, the threat of war, etc. This will take place before the Antichrist comes to full power. It will happen in Europe at the time the Antichrist is strengthening his base of power in the Middle East. The devices are currently under development but have not been tested yet. But this is another historical event that will permit the Antichrist to take over Europe. War game simulation by Britain in Europe leads to disaster (Century II, Quatrain 2) In a war-game maneuver involving Great Britain and European troops a malfunctioning computer will cause the "real-world" situation to play out instead of the simulation. As a result of the error actual defenses will be activated and real bombs will be dropped on the areas of the game and cause a tragic international incident. American Electoral College voting stalemate (Century VII, Quatrain 41) The presidents of the United States, a supposedly free country, have been abusing their power to an increasingly greater extent. During a time of social unrest even more so than the period of Vietnam and Watergate, the Electoral College will be evenly split over the election of the new president. The process will stalemate, with many people clamoring for whichever candidate they voted for, causing enormous tension Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 04:50 (Century VIII, Quatrain 42) The Time of Troubles will end with an application of 6mg of Zoloft and 1 mg of Remeron. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
ghotir Felusiakowa znajomosc psychiatrycznych recept 18.11.06, 15:09 Kiedys zdarzylo mi sie pracowac z ludzmi, ktorzy korzystali z serwisow psychiatrycznych. Ale nigdy nie osiagnelem poziomu wiedzy Felusiaka w sprawie dawkowania lekow psychotropowych. Domyslam sie, ze trzeba byc psychiatra albo pacjentem aby wiedziec ile miligramow jakiegos leku robi roznice. Felusiak mowi, ze psychiatra nie jest... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
kapitalizm1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 18:08 jedenkruczek napisał: > Postkapitalizm jest to świat jaki możemy oglądać na reklamach zachęcających do > zaciągania kredytów. Wchodzisz do banku, uśmiechasz się, mówisz dzieńdobry i > wtedy podbiega do ciebie taki czerwony piesek, zaczyna łasić się do ciebie, > machać ogonkiem. Ten piesek u twoich stóp to właśnie kapitał. Wtedy podchodzisz > > do okienka i mówisz, że razem z żoną wpadliście na pomysł żeby tu nad wisłą > chandlować złotem z Dubaju, albo zbudować jakąś rafinerię, albo, że razem z > kolegami z pracy postanowiliście zbudować w bieszczadach miasto które przyćmi > Las Vegas, a pani w okienku natychmiast (w kilka minut) otwiera ci linię > kredytową na np. miliard dolarów. > Tak więc pragnienie i wiedza są na pierwszym miejscu, a kapitał ma wartość > tylko usługową, podrzędną. Nikomu nie imponuje bogactwo, ale mądrość i chart > ducha, a kapitał jest dostępny dla każdego jak powszechna opieka zdrowotna. :) - a skad ten kapital bedzie sie bral, kto go ma wypracowac i oddac za darmo? aniolki? MYSL - nie bedziesz naiwny. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
jedenkruczek Ja tylko zdefiniowałem postkapitalizm,i tylko tyle 18.11.06, 22:44 wydawało mi się, że dowcipnie. Wcale nie uważam aby to było możliwe. kapitalizm1 napisał: > - a skad ten kapital bedzie sie bral, kto go ma wypracowac i oddac za darmo? > > aniolki? > > MYSL - nie bedziesz naiwny. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
kapitalizm1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 18:07 pennyroyal napisała: > Czy ktoś moze mi go zdefiniować? Mam na myśli zwłaszcza termin "państwo > postkapitalistyczne" ? - - pytanie niewlasciwie postawione, skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i wlasnosci) to postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej dzialnosci przestaly istniec, takiej sytyacji nie ma nigdzie na swiecie - najbardziej zblizona do tego modelu byla Kambodza za Pol-Pota, a teraz jest Korea-Pln, Kuba moze Zimbabwe, linki: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapitalizm www.capitalism.org/ Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
ghotir "glebia intelektualna" Kapitalizm1 19.11.06, 00:18 kapitalizm1 napisał: "skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i wlasnosci) to postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej dzialnosci przestaly istniec," Kapitalizm zakonczyl edukacje w czwartej klasie podstawowki? Dla przypomnienia: zjawiska spoleczne nieczesto mieszcza sie w strukturze "bialy-czarny". Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
kapitalizm1 Re: "glebia intelektualna" Kapitalizm1 19.11.06, 04:26 ghotir napisał: > kapitalizm1 napisał: "skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i > wlasnosci) to postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej > dzialnosci przestaly istniec," > > Kapitalizm zakonczyl edukacje w czwartej klasie podstawowki? > Dla przypomnienia: zjawiska spoleczne nieczesto mieszcza sie w > strukturze "bialy-czarny". - no przeciez dalem do zrozumienia, ze sa stopnie wolnosci (kapitalizmu), przeciez antykapitalistyczna Rosja nie jest w takim samym stopniu zdziczala jak np. Kuba czy Korea-Pln, ale najbardziej antykapitalistycznym krajem na swiecie byla Kambodza za Pol- Pota, jak wiec widzisz wszystko jest kwestia mniej lub bardziej - a nie bialo-czarne. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś