Co to jest Postkapitalizm?

17.11.06, 19:31
Czy ktoś moze mi go zdefiniować? Mam na myśli zwłaszcza termin "państwo
postkapitalistyczne" ?
    • jedenkruczek Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 17.11.06, 23:06
      Postkapitalizm jest to świat jaki możemy oglądać na reklamach zachęcających do
      zaciągania kredytów. Wchodzisz do banku, uśmiechasz się, mówisz dzieńdobry i
      wtedy podbiega do ciebie taki czerwony piesek, zaczyna łasić się do ciebie,
      machać ogonkiem. Ten piesek u twoich stóp to właśnie kapitał. Wtedy podchodzisz
      do okienka i mówisz, że razem z żoną wpadliście na pomysł żeby tu nad wisłą
      chandlować złotem z Dubaju, albo zbudować jakąś rafinerię, albo, że razem z
      kolegami z pracy postanowiliście zbudować w bieszczadach miasto które przyćmi
      Las Vegas, a pani w okienku natychmiast (w kilka minut) otwiera ci linię
      kredytową na np. miliard dolarów.
      Tak więc pragnienie i wiedza są na pierwszym miejscu, a kapitał ma wartość
      tylko usługową, podrzędną. Nikomu nie imponuje bogactwo, ale mądrość i chart
      ducha, a kapitał jest dostępny dla każdego jak powszechna opieka zdrowotna. :)
      • misterpee Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 04:05
        Chapter Four: The Time of Troubles Begins

        Volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts

        (Century IV, Quatrain 67)

        The Time of Troubles begins with a period of geological shifts. Frequent
        earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and disrupted weather systems become the norm.
        This will cause widespread famines, droughts, and social upheavals in
        unexpected places. Nations that are considered prosperous and powerful,
        particularly western nations, will be weakened. They will be torn with civil
        strife and rioting as people migrate to areas that have water and can support
        crop-growing. The social upheaval and weakening of political structures will
        help the Antichrist come to power.

        The United States in particular will be subject to serious natural disasters,
        particularly earthquakes and flooding, and flatten the nation from end to end,
        causing enormous conflict, despair, and misery. The US will be bankrupted
        attempting to deal with its disasters. Three other great nations will send aid
        to help the citizens survive.

        (Century VIII, Quatrain 29)

        Earth changes will take place that will help the Antichrist's drive for world
        conquest. In central Europe, southern Europe, and in the Middle East, around
        the eastern end of the Mediterranean, there will be severe floods. As a result
        of the disruption to local governments by the natural disasters, the Antichrist
        will move his troops in under the guise of helping the people restore civil
        order, but really use this as a device to take over countries, and to use the
        populations like slaves.

        Serious economic problems will persist along with great social unrest,
        contributing to the ease with which the Antichrist can seize power. The
        frightened and hopeful populace will be vulnerable to his demagoguery. The
        Antichrist will use the disasters as opportunities to overthrow governments and
        sneak spies into a country. Martial law will be declared in many areas to stop
        rioting and looting. The Middle East, the source of his power, will not be as
        devastated as the rest of the world. He offers assistance to other countries
        trying to recover but he will eventually stab them in the back.

        Antichrist's rise to power in Middle East

        (Century II, Quatrains 23 and 81)


        The Antichrist will take over Iran by using a human decoy to trick the
        Ayatollah in power. This will involve the "yes men" and puppets of the
        Ayatollah's court. The Antichrist will first drive away internal supporters of
        the Ayatollah by starting a civil war. Then he will put forth a man as a
        leader, a man for Iranians loyal to the Ayatollah to concentrate their hate on.
        The man will be assassinated while Iran is being taken over, and his opponents
        will think they have foiled the overthrow of power by assassinating him. But
        they will find out later he was merely a decoy and that they played into the
        plans of the Antichrist.

        The Antichrist will initially obtain power in his own sphere, Asia, and the
        Middle East. As he grows out of this arena, and into Europe, the next step will
        be into the Mediterranean, his area of strength. Because of his Middle Eastern
        heritage he will have already united North Africans, who are sympathetic to his
        cultural background, with his Asian and Middle Eastern conglomerate.

        Crazed leader launches nuclear bombs on Mediterranean and Europe

        (Century II, Quatrains 3 and 4)

        During a period of continuing unrest, the leader of a Middle Eastern country
        will be able to obtain a nuclear weapon. He will go to the greatest lengths
        over the smallest things and will not hesitate to use the weapon because of his
        obsessions with deadly warfare. The people he is warring against retaliate with
        a nuclear weapon. The country has a coast on the Mediterranean.

        One of the bombs will land in the Mediterranean instead of the land, poisoning
        all the fish. The passages of trade in the region will be disrupted so that the
        people on the other coast will be desperate for food and will eat the fish
        anyway. It will happen near the east coast of the Mediterranean in a region of
        dark-colored cliffs.

        The nuclear weapon being dropped by one of the Middle Eastern countries will
        spark off yet another war on top of that war. European nations will try to
        interfere to diminish the threat to oil supplies. When the European countries
        try to interfere, the crazed leader will use the rest of his arsenal on Europe,
        most striking the Italian Peninsula.

        The European Mediterranean coast, particularly that of Italy and France, will
        be almost uninhabitable, and Italy will get the brunt. This leader is not the
        Antichrist but helps to set the stage for the Antichrist to rise to power with
        little or no opposition.

        Fiasco from communication breakdown between two superpowers

        (Century II, Quatrains 35 and 48)

        Though a mistake, a breakdown in communications between two powerful countries
        will occur. The situation is a lot more complex than will appear on the
        surface. The leader involved will feel great regret about what happened and
        will want to continue his career and help correct the situation, to help make
        up for the adverse affects.

        But he will be hung, symbolically, by others wishing to take his position in
        the organization. He will be hung as far as politics and his career are
        concerned. It will almost be like committing suicide because in the end he will
        be a broken man. The entire event will be viewed as a fiasco from both sides.
        It will have very harmful and even cataclysmic consequences.

        Third world country leader creates strife

        (Century III, Quatrain 60)

        A "young dark man" will arise as a leader in a Third World country; his main
        goal is to unite the other Third World countries to do battle with the
        superpowers. The area of conflict will be in Eastern Europe and the Middle
        East, particularly around the Adriatic and the Caspian seas and Israel. No
        definite winner will emerge but the strife will help set the stage for the
        Antichrist. Many prophecies in the Bible refer to events in this region.

        Antichrist profits from radar research in Europe

        (Century I, Quatrain 6)

        Research on a more sophisticated type of radar and sensing devices will give
        greater information to the operator, i.e. an airplane pilot. But the first
        experiments with the technology will fail in a disastrous accident, when the
        vibrations emitted by the device cause the chassis of the plane to become
        weakened and dangerous. The scientists involved with the research will have to
        temporarily abandon the research because of diplomatic breakdowns, the threat
        of war, etc.

        This will take place before the Antichrist comes to full power. It will happen
        in Europe at the time the Antichrist is strengthening his base of power in the
        Middle East. The devices are currently under development but have not been
        tested yet. But this is another historical event that will permit the
        Antichrist to take over Europe.

        War game simulation by Britain in Europe leads to disaster

        (Century II, Quatrain 2)
        In a war-game maneuver involving Great Britain and European troops a
        malfunctioning computer will cause the "real-world" situation to play out
        instead of the simulation. As a result of the error actual defenses will be
        activated and real bombs will be dropped on the areas of the game and cause a
        tragic international incident.

        American Electoral College voting stalemate

        (Century VII, Quatrain 41)

        The presidents of the United States, a supposedly free country, have been
        abusing their power to an increasingly greater extent. During a time of social
        unrest even more so than the period of Vietnam and Watergate, the Electoral
        College will be evenly split over the election of the new president. The
        process will stalemate, with many people clamoring for whichever candidate they
        voted for, causing enormous tension
        • felusiak1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 04:50
          (Century VIII, Quatrain 42)
          The Time of Troubles will end with an application of 6mg of Zoloft and 1 mg of
          Remeron.
          • ghotir Felusiakowa znajomosc psychiatrycznych recept 18.11.06, 15:09
            Kiedys zdarzylo mi sie pracowac z ludzmi, ktorzy korzystali z serwisow
            psychiatrycznych. Ale nigdy nie osiagnelem poziomu wiedzy Felusiaka w sprawie
            dawkowania lekow psychotropowych. Domyslam sie, ze trzeba byc psychiatra albo
            pacjentem aby wiedziec ile miligramow jakiegos leku robi roznice. Felusiak
            mowi, ze psychiatra nie jest...
      • kapitalizm1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 18:08
        jedenkruczek napisał:

        > Postkapitalizm jest to świat jaki możemy oglądać na reklamach zachęcających
        do
        > zaciągania kredytów. Wchodzisz do banku, uśmiechasz się, mówisz dzieńdobry i
        > wtedy podbiega do ciebie taki czerwony piesek, zaczyna łasić się do ciebie,
        > machać ogonkiem. Ten piesek u twoich stóp to właśnie kapitał. Wtedy
        podchodzisz
        >
        > do okienka i mówisz, że razem z żoną wpadliście na pomysł żeby tu nad wisłą
        > chandlować złotem z Dubaju, albo zbudować jakąś rafinerię, albo, że razem z
        > kolegami z pracy postanowiliście zbudować w bieszczadach miasto które przyćmi
        > Las Vegas, a pani w okienku natychmiast (w kilka minut) otwiera ci linię
        > kredytową na np. miliard dolarów.
        > Tak więc pragnienie i wiedza są na pierwszym miejscu, a kapitał ma wartość
        > tylko usługową, podrzędną. Nikomu nie imponuje bogactwo, ale mądrość i chart
        > ducha, a kapitał jest dostępny dla każdego jak powszechna opieka zdrowotna. :)


        - a skad ten kapital bedzie sie bral, kto go ma wypracowac i oddac za darmo?

        aniolki?

        MYSL - nie bedziesz naiwny.
        • jedenkruczek Ja tylko zdefiniowałem postkapitalizm,i tylko tyle 18.11.06, 22:44
          wydawało mi się, że dowcipnie. Wcale nie uważam aby to było możliwe.

          kapitalizm1 napisał:


          > - a skad ten kapital bedzie sie bral, kto go ma wypracowac i oddac za darmo?
          >
          > aniolki?
          >
          > MYSL - nie bedziesz naiwny.
    • kapitalizm1 Re: Co to jest Postkapitalizm? 18.11.06, 18:07
      pennyroyal napisała:

      > Czy ktoś moze mi go zdefiniować? Mam na myśli zwłaszcza termin "państwo
      > postkapitalistyczne" ?

      - - pytanie niewlasciwie postawione,

      skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i wlasnosci) to
      postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej dzialnosci
      przestaly istniec,

      takiej sytyacji nie ma nigdzie na swiecie - najbardziej zblizona do tego modelu
      byla Kambodza za Pol-Pota, a teraz jest Korea-Pln, Kuba moze Zimbabwe,



      linki:

      pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapitalizm
      www.capitalism.org/


      • ghotir "glebia intelektualna" Kapitalizm1 19.11.06, 00:18
        kapitalizm1 napisał: "skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i
        wlasnosci) to postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej
        dzialnosci przestaly istniec,"

        Kapitalizm zakonczyl edukacje w czwartej klasie podstawowki?
        Dla przypomnienia: zjawiska spoleczne nieczesto mieszcza sie w
        strukturze "bialy-czarny".
        • kapitalizm1 Re: "glebia intelektualna" Kapitalizm1 19.11.06, 04:26
          ghotir napisał:

          > kapitalizm1 napisał: "skoro kapitalizm oznacza wolnosc (produkcji, handlu i
          > wlasnosci) to postkapitalizm oznacza to co by bylo gdyby te atrybuty ludzkiej
          > dzialnosci przestaly istniec,"
          >
          > Kapitalizm zakonczyl edukacje w czwartej klasie podstawowki?
          > Dla przypomnienia: zjawiska spoleczne nieczesto mieszcza sie w
          > strukturze "bialy-czarny".

          - no przeciez dalem do zrozumienia, ze sa stopnie wolnosci (kapitalizmu),
          przeciez antykapitalistyczna Rosja nie jest w takim samym stopniu zdziczala jak
          np. Kuba czy Korea-Pln,

          ale najbardziej antykapitalistycznym krajem na swiecie byla Kambodza za Pol-
          Pota,

          jak wiec widzisz wszystko jest kwestia mniej lub bardziej - a nie bialo-czarne.
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