dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo

IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 15:23
Children held at Guantanamo Bay

Oliver Burkeman in Washington
Thursday April 24, 2003
The Guardian

Children younger than 16 are being held as "enemy combatants" in the American
detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, the US military admitted yesterday, a
practice human rights groups condemned as repugnant and illegal.
Three boys aged between 13 and 15 are among about 660 inmates at the
controversial camp, a US military official told the Guardian, on condition of
anonymity. The official would not disclose their nationalities but said they
had been brought from Afghanistan this year on suspicion of terrorism.

As soon as their ages were confirmed in medical tests, the children were
moved to a "dedicated juvenile facility" at the camp, where they could
socialise with each other, according to Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a
spokesman at the base.

"They are in a secure environment free from the influences of older
detainees," Lt Col Johnson said. "They are receiving specialist mental health
care, in recognition of the difficult circumstances that child combatants go
through, and some basic education in terms of reading and writing." Efforts
were under way to contact their home nations, he added.

But the children would still be held indefinitely and would not be granted
access to lawyers, he said, because the US continues to view them as "enemy
combatants" - a term it has used to argue that the Geneva Conventions do not
apply to the inmates, who have not been charged with any crimes.

That would be the case "until we ensure that they're no longer a threat to
the United States, that there's no pending law enforcement against them, that
they're no longer of intelligence value," Lt Col Johnson said.

Holding the children was "wholly repugnant and contrary to basic principles
of human rights," said Angela Wright of Amnesty International, and
contravened UN rules with "near-universal acceptance" regarding the treatment
of juveniles.

The United States and Somalia are the only member states of the United
Nations no to have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, but
the US is a signatory, and thus has "an obligation not to defeat the object
and purpose of the treaty," Ms Wright said. "This is clearly totally at odds
with the purpose of the treaty."

The precise legal ramifications are unclear, since many experts argue that
the US is already in breach of international law by holding any of the
detainees indefinitely without trial or charge, regardless of their ages.

Guantanamo Bay has attracted the condemnation of human rights campaigners
since the first detainees arrived at what was Camp X-Ray, in January 2002.
Soon after, they were pictured cowed, blindfolded and bound in the intense
Cuban heat.

Since then, the US has built Camp Delta, a permanent and better-equipped
facility, and has been at pains to describe how the inmates' religious and
cultural preferences are being catered for. Representatives of the
International Committee of the Red Cross are in regular contact with the
inmates.

But reports of hunger strikes and attempted suicides have continued to emerge
from the base. Military officials have confirmed 25 suicide attempts by 17
people since the inception of the camp, with 15 this year, often by inmates
attempting to strangle themselves.

One detainee who reportedly fell into a coma after trying to hang himself was
back off life support this week, Lt Col Johnson said, but there was no word
on what the authorities would do with him next. The Pentagon has published
regulations for how the inmates, who come from 42 countries, might be tried
by military tribunals, but has not yet nominated any of them for trial.

The US court of appeals ruled last month that the government was entitled to
deny due legal process to the detainees because they are not Americans and
are not being held on US territory.

The three boys are not the only inmates under 16 to have been brought to
Guantanamo Bay. Canadian officials have been seeking for months to gain
access to Omar al-Khadr, a Canadian national who they say is being held at
Camp Delta after being captured on July 27 during fighting in eastern
Afghanistan. He was 15 at the time, they said.



    • Gość: felusiak Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: *.nyc.rr.com 24.04.03, 16:50
      Dzieci? Jak umie strzelac to nie jest dzieckiem.
      Ponizej podaje przyklad z ostatniej chwili w co sie bawia palestynskie dzieci.

      KFAR SABA, Israel (CNN)
      • Gość: - Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 16:58
        Felusiak, ty pilnuj swoich ziomkow, z nasza moralnoscia, prawem i narodem nie
        masz nic wspolnego. To rowniez jestes poza prawem miedzynarodowym. Guantanamo
        powinno byc dla ciebie.
        • Gość: gosia Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: *.lv.lv.cox.net 24.04.03, 17:21
          Mnie to nie dziwi - amerykanie bardzo krzycza o prawach dla dzieci, ale poki co
          to wsadzaja " swoje" dzieci do wiezienia na dozywocie bez mozliwosci odwolania
          sie{ Polonia am. napewno zna wiele takich spraw- chociazby sprawa 13-sto
          letniego chlopca z Florydy skazanego na dozywocie }.Najbardziej mnie "
          rozczula" kiedy w tym samym " raporcie policyjnym"{ tak nazywam lokalne
          wiadomosci w telewizji} mowia o " brutalnych" rodzicach, ktorzy wymierzyli
          swojemu dziecku klapsa i w zwiazku z tym dziecko zostalo im zabrane a przeciwko
          rodzicom toczy sie sprawa ; a nastepnie ze stoickim spokojem o 10-cio latku
          skazanym na dozywocie lub o 16-sto latku skazanym na smierc. Temida w ameryce{
          celowo pisze z malej litery} jest wyjatkowo SLEPA!
          • Gość: - Re: Gosiu, to prawda ! IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 17:32
            Prawa czlowieka w interpretacji USA to sa prawa do ingerencji w sprawy innych
            panstwa z wyjatkiem jednego. Izraeela. USA jest na drugim miejscu,niemalze w
            podobnej sytuacji .
          • Gość: felusiak Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: *.nyc.rr.com 24.04.03, 17:45
            Droga Gosiu, nie tylko znalazlem twoj post bezwartosciowym, ale na dodatek
            jest stekiem klamstw. Twoja znajomosc angielskiego jest zadna skoro nie
            rozumiesz, ze "no parole" nie oznacza pozbawienia prawa do odwolania, lecz
            oznacza brak mozliwosci warunkowego zwolnienia. Odwolywac mozna sie w
            nieskonczonosc. Litujac sie nad 13 letnim "dzieckiem" powinnas byla nam
            napisac za co to "dziecko" zostalo skazane.
            Nienawisc do USA powoduje spustoszenie w szarych komorkach. Dlatego zapewne
            coraz trudniej idzie ci nauka.
            Wez tabletke, pojdz do kina, have sex, relax. Zycie jest takie piekne.
          • Gość: rybb Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: *.sgh.waw.pl 24.04.03, 17:47
            Go?? portalu: gosia napisa?(a):

            > Mnie to nie dziwi - amerykanie bardzo krzycza o prawach dla dzieci, ale poki co
            >
            > to wsadzaja " swoje" dzieci do wiezienia na dozywocie bez mozliwosci odwolania
            > sie{ Polonia am. napewno zna wiele takich spraw- chociazby sprawa 13-sto
            > letniego chlopca z Florydy skazanego na dozywocie }.Najbardziej mnie "
            > rozczula" kiedy w tym samym " raporcie policyjnym"{ tak nazywam lokalne
            > wiadomosci w telewizji} mowia o " brutalnych" rodzicach, ktorzy wymierzyli
            > swojemu dziecku klapsa i w zwiazku z tym dziecko zostalo im zabrane a przeciwko
            >
            > rodzicom toczy sie sprawa ; a nastepnie ze stoickim spokojem o 10-cio latku
            > skazanym na dozywocie lub o 16-sto latku skazanym na smierc. Temida w ameryce{
            > celowo pisze z malej litery} jest wyjatkowo SLEPA!

            no... az tak bardzo o prawa dzieci nie krzycza. Konwencje Praw Dziecka przez 15 lat jeszcze nie zdazyli ratyfikowac.
        • canuk Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo 24.04.03, 17:30
          Gość portalu: - napisał(a):

          > Felusiak, ty pilnuj swoich ziomkow, z nasza
          moralnoscia, prawem i narodem nie
          > masz nic wspolnego. To rowniez jestes poza prawem
          miedzynarodowym. Guantanamo
          > powinno byc dla ciebie.

          A co powiesz o najokrutniejszych "dzieciach" z Kambodzy ?
        • Gość: felusiak Re: dzieci 13 -16 lat wiezione na Guantanamo IP: *.nyc.rr.com 24.04.03, 17:38
          Gość portalu: - napisał(a):

          > Felusiak, ty pilnuj swoich ziomkow, z nasza moralnoscia, prawem i narodem
          > nie masz nic wspolnego. To rowniez jestes poza prawem miedzynarodowym.
          > Guantanamo powinno byc dla ciebie.

          Nawet nie musze sie wysilac, zeby stwierdzic ze powyzsza odpowiedz na moj post
          pozbawiona jest jakiejkolwiek wartosci merytorycznej.
          Mniemam, ze jako osobnik calkowicie zaslepiony, ktoremu piana tryska z ust,
          znajdujesz masochistyczne spelnienie. Orgazmiczny nienawistnik?
    • v.c Jeszcze jedno swiadectwo zboczenia tych ludzi 24.04.03, 17:30
      ktorzy z 13to letnich dzieci robia zolnierzy!
      A potem w gazecie sie czyta ze ktos zastrzelil a afganistanie, iraku czy
      israelu dziecko tylko nie mowia ci ze dziecko samo strzelalo



      Gość portalu: guardian napisał(a):

      > Children held at Guantanamo Bay
      >
      > Oliver Burkeman in Washington
      > Thursday April 24, 2003
      > The Guardian
      >
      > Children younger than 16 are being held as "enemy combatants" in the
      American
      > detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, the US military admitted yesterday, a
      > practice human rights groups condemned as repugnant and illegal.
      > Three boys aged between 13 and 15 are among about 660 inmates at the
      > controversial camp, a US military official told the Guardian, on condition
      of
      > anonymity. The official would not disclose their nationalities but said they
      > had been brought from Afghanistan this year on suspicion of terrorism.
      >
      > As soon as their ages were confirmed in medical tests, the children were
      > moved to a "dedicated juvenile facility" at the camp, where they could
      > socialise with each other, according to Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a
      > spokesman at the base.
      >
      > "They are in a secure environment free from the influences of older
      > detainees," Lt Col Johnson said. "They are receiving specialist mental
      health
      > care, in recognition of the difficult circumstances that child combatants go
      > through, and some basic education in terms of reading and writing." Efforts
      > were under way to contact their home nations, he added.
      >
      > But the children would still be held indefinitely and would not be granted
      > access to lawyers, he said, because the US continues to view them as "enemy
      > combatants" - a term it has used to argue that the Geneva Conventions do not
      > apply to the inmates, who have not been charged with any crimes.
      >
      > That would be the case "until we ensure that they're no longer a threat to
      > the United States, that there's no pending law enforcement against them,
      that
      > they're no longer of intelligence value," Lt Col Johnson said.
      >
      > Holding the children was "wholly repugnant and contrary to basic principles
      > of human rights," said Angela Wright of Amnesty International, and
      > contravened UN rules with "near-universal acceptance" regarding the
      treatment
      > of juveniles.
      >
      > The United States and Somalia are the only member states of the United
      > Nations no to have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, but
      > the US is a signatory, and thus has "an obligation not to defeat the object
      > and purpose of the treaty," Ms Wright said. "This is clearly totally at odds
      > with the purpose of the treaty."
      >
      > The precise legal ramifications are unclear, since many experts argue that
      > the US is already in breach of international law by holding any of the
      > detainees indefinitely without trial or charge, regardless of their ages.
      >
      > Guantanamo Bay has attracted the condemnation of human rights campaigners
      > since the first detainees arrived at what was Camp X-Ray, in January 2002.
      > Soon after, they were pictured cowed, blindfolded and bound in the intense
      > Cuban heat.
      >
      > Since then, the US has built Camp Delta, a permanent and better-equipped
      > facility, and has been at pains to describe how the inmates' religious and
      > cultural preferences are being catered for. Representatives of the
      > International Committee of the Red Cross are in regular contact with the
      > inmates.
      >
      > But reports of hunger strikes and attempted suicides have continued to
      emerge
      > from the base. Military officials have confirmed 25 suicide attempts by 17
      > people since the inception of the camp, with 15 this year, often by inmates
      > attempting to strangle themselves.
      >
      > One detainee who reportedly fell into a coma after trying to hang himself
      was
      > back off life support this week, Lt Col Johnson said, but there was no word
      > on what the authorities would do with him next. The Pentagon has published
      > regulations for how the inmates, who come from 42 countries, might be tried
      > by military tribunals, but has not yet nominated any of them for trial.
      >
      > The US court of appeals ruled last month that the government was entitled to
      > deny due legal process to the detainees because they are not Americans and
      > are not being held on US territory.
      >
      > The three boys are not the only inmates under 16 to have been brought to
      > Guantanamo Bay. Canadian officials have been seeking for months to gain
      > access to Omar al-Khadr, a Canadian national who they say is being held at
      > Camp Delta after being captured on July 27 during fighting in eastern
      > Afghanistan. He was 15 at the time, they said.
      >
      >
      >
      • Gość: - Re: Jeszcze jedno swiadectwo zboczenia tych ludzi IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 17:36
        tych ktorzy zalewaja rynek glupimi, perwersyjnymi, zbrodniczymi filmami i grami
        komputerowymi dla dzieci, promotorami star wars. Wychowane w tes sposob dzieci
        bombarduja pozneij Irak, Kosowo, Pieknie! i jak ladnie wyglada na televizji.
        • kochanka Glupota Daniela: Star Wars sa wszystkiemu winne:-) 24.04.03, 17:46
          Gość portalu: - napisał(a):

          > tych ktorzy zalewaja rynek glupimi, perwersyjnymi, zbrodniczymi filmami i
          grami
          >
          > komputerowymi dla dzieci, promotorami star wars. Wychowane w tes sposob
          dzieci
          > bombarduja pozneij Irak, Kosowo, Pieknie! i jak ladnie wyglada na televizji.


          A co z tym biblijnym koncem swiata? Tak ladnie napisales o glodujacej Afryce,
          o okupacji egiptu, iraku i turcji, cenzuirze na calym swiecie, kompletnym
          upadku ekonomi, o zniszczeniu Israela? Przecierz to w bibli ty naiwny
          fanatycnie religijny wiesniaku jest napisane.


          Re: Sukces dyplomacj Iraku -
          Autor: Gość: - IP: 168.103.126.*
          Data: 22-01-2003 20:44

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          --
          Wojna spowoduje okupacje calego polwyspu arabskiego, egiptu, turcji i iraku,
          nastepnie, przygotowania do wojny na Iran, moze Libie. Wprowadzona zostanie
          cenzura na calym swiecie, pobor wojskowy w USA, kompletny upadek ekonomi
          konsumpcyjnej. Nastapi zorganizowanie koalicji antyamerykanskiej z Europa
          jako
          strefa niezaangazowana, glod i wojny w Afryce i poludniowej Ameryce i Azji.
          Chiny zostana zupelnie zagrozone. USA zaatakuje Iran nuklearnie, Izrael
          bedzie
          zniszczony i zacznie sie holokoast swiata. Tak jak jest w Bibli. Ale Bush nie
          lubi czytac.



          www2.gazeta.pl/forum/794674,30353,794652.html?f=50&w=4355758&a=4361434
          • v.c To nie Star Wars sa wszystkiemu winne 24.04.03, 17:51
            www.kingfish.us.tf/superm.swf
    • kochanka Klamca Daniel sie pojawil 24.04.03, 17:36
      Czy mozna wierzyc w cos co ten palant pisze?
      Nie dawno pisal o bombardowaniu miejsca urodzenia Abrahama przez US. Daniel to
      zwykly prowokator.



      miejsce urodzin Abrahama w Turcji zbombardowane
      Autor: Gość: - IP: 168.103.126.*
      Data: 31-03-2003 20:02 + odpowiedz na list

      + odpowiedz cytując


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      -
      zbombardowane przez USA. 380 km.) od granicy Iraku.


      forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=50&w=5153542&a=5153542
      • Gość: Daniel Re: okolica Urfy BYLA zbombardowana! IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 17:51
        Tak! okolica Urfy, miejsca narodzenia Abrahama byla zbombardowana przez USA/UK
        naloty na Irak. Wiadomosc z www.fsrn.org/news/20030409_news.html
        Kochanka jak zwykle klamie i stosuje bandyckie metody.



        Bombed Turkish Village
        A day after the Turkish Parliament rejected selling the country's public
        forests to satisfy the International Monetary Fund, the ruling AK Parti
        government proposed selling parts of Turkey's beautiful Mediterania Coastline
        as a means of paying the country's massive 200 billion dollar debt. The IMF has
        insisted on strict austerity measures for Turkey since the Parliament forbid a
        Northern invasion of Iraq March 1st. Under an agreement reached with the IMF
        over the weekend, 45 thousand government workers will lose their jobs and most
        of the others will have their wages frozen. This after US war-planes
        accidentally bombed the Turkish province of Urfa three separate times with
        Tomahawk Cruise missiles. Aaron Glantz reports from the bombed village of
        Ozveren.
        • kochanka A w czerwonego kapturka naiwniaku tez wierzysz? 24.04.03, 18:00
          Ale z ciebie matolek!
          Moze lepiej powiedz gdzie twoj kolegoa kupil wyspe za odszkodowania po WTC.
          Pytam sie i pytam a ty tak sie zachowujesz jkbys sie na mnie obrazil. Pisales
          ze zamki i wyspy kupuje.

          Jestes podlym kretaczem albo naiwnym wiesniakiem.
          • Gość: Daniel Re:Podla kochanka jest w Key West i pisze $150/hr IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 18:13
            Niech kochanka zobaczy palac pana Billa Gates z garazem dla gosci na 300
            samochodow. a moze palac pana George Sorosa na Long Island? tam trudno sie
            dostac. Kiedy wysiadlem z samochodu przy 'domku' pana Steelmana ( nikt o nim
            nie slyszal) w East Hampton, mezczyzna wyszedl z bramy i postraszyl nas - get
            out of here i wyciagnal pokazna spluwe. A w Hamptons i w wielu miejscach USA
            jest mnostwo takich magnackich rezydencji, ktore sa poprostu efektem
            ekonomicznych mozliwosci nomenklatury imperializmu/kapitalizmu. Czasami wsrod
            tych ludzi znajduja sie nasi znajomi, klienci............. Wezcie sobie do
            reki magazyn pod tytulem Architectural Digest. Nazwisk tam nie ma, ale
            rezydencje sa publikowane. Sa to glownmie rezydencje nowobogacki, albo ludzi
            ktorzy szukaja publicity. Wielu jedak krolow mamony nie godzi sie na zadne
            publikacje, reporterzy nie maja wstepu na tereny ich malych imperiow.
            • kochanka O czym tyz znowu naiwniaku medzisz? 24.04.03, 18:58
              Co mi chcesz udowodnic ze w US sa bogaci ludzie? WOW!!!!

              Pisales ze kolego dostal tak duze odszkodowanie ze kupowal zamki i wyspy.
              Pytam sie ciebie jeszcze raz bezwstdny klamco: Gdzie lezy ta wyspa?




              Gość portalu: Daniel napisał(a):

              > Niech kochanka zobaczy palac pana Billa Gates z garazem dla gosci na 300
              > samochodow. a moze palac pana George Sorosa na Long Island? tam trudno sie
              > dostac. Kiedy wysiadlem z samochodu przy 'domku' pana Steelmana ( nikt o nim
              > nie slyszal) w East Hampton, mezczyzna wyszedl z bramy i postraszyl nas -
              get
              > out of here i wyciagnal pokazna spluwe. A w Hamptons i w wielu miejscach USA
              > jest mnostwo takich magnackich rezydencji, ktore sa poprostu efektem
              > ekonomicznych mozliwosci nomenklatury imperializmu/kapitalizmu. Czasami
              wsrod
              > tych ludzi znajduja sie nasi znajomi, klienci............. Wezcie sobie do
              > reki magazyn pod tytulem Architectural Digest. Nazwisk tam nie ma, ale
              > rezydencje sa publikowane. Sa to glownmie rezydencje nowobogacki, albo ludzi
              > ktorzy szukaja publicity. Wielu jedak krolow mamony nie godzi sie na zadne
              > publikacje, reporterzy nie maja wstepu na tereny ich malych imperiow.
              • Gość: - Re: O czym kochanka pisze IP: 168.103.126.* 24.04.03, 20:16
                szkoda czytac i odpowiadac, niech siedzi i obiera shrimpsy dla Fidela u ktorego
                bywa na sabat
                • Gość: AP Re:Nieeksplodowane bomby zabijaja i rania dzieci IP: 168.103.126.* 25.04.03, 18:19
                  AP. 25 April 2003. Unexploded bombs make children new casualties of war.

                  MOSUL
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