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))The Jews Are Not A Race!
By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)


Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
tribes.

Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?

The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
religion was Judaism.

The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...

Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
863).

The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."

Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
(around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
established beyond doubt.

According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
laws.

Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had become afraid
and envious of the Khazars and, in a joint expedition with the Russians,
conquered the Crimean portion of Khazaria in 1016. (Crimea was known
as "Chazaria" until the 13th century). The Khazarian Jews were scattered
throughout what is now Russia and East
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      Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor of
      Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of Jewish
      Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state only Jewish
      rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders brought not only
      silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also their Judaic faith to
      the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the Kingdom of Khazaria was
      invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great capital, fell to Sweatoslav of
      Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had become afraid and envious of the Khazars and,
      in a joint expedition with the Russians, conquered the Crimean portion of
      Khazaria in 1016. (Crimea was known as "Chazaria" until the 13th century). The
      Khazarian Jews were scattered throughout what is now Russia and Eastern
      Europe. Some were taken North where they joined the established Jewish
      community of Kiev.

      Others returned to the Caucasus. Many Khazars remarried in the Crimea and in
      Hungary. The Cagh Chafut, or "mountain Jews," in the Caucasus and the Hebraile
      Jews of Georgia are their descendants. These "Ashkenazim Jews" (as Jews of
      Eastern Europe are called), whose numbers were swelled by Jews who fled from
      Germany at the time of the Crusades and during the Black Death, have little or
      no trace of Semitic blood.

      That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a
      historical fact. Jewish historians and religious text books acknowledge the
      fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab
      propaganda. Somewhat ironically, Volume IV of the Jewish Encyclopedia -
      because this publication spells Khazars with a "C" instead of a "K" - is
      titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as interpreted by
      Theodor Herzl, that made the modern Jewish Khazars of Russia forget their
      descent from converts to Judaism and accept anti-Semitism as proof of their
      Palestinian origin.

      For all that anthropologists know, Hitler's ancestry might go back to one of
      the ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel'; while Weizmann may be a descendant of the
      Khazars, the converts to Judaism who were in no anthropological respect
      related to Palestine. The home to which Weizmann, Silver and so many other
      Ashkenazim Zionists have yearned to return has most likely never been
      theirs. "Here's a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox": in
      anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-'Israelite'
      blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors.

      Race can play funny tricks on people who make that concept the basis for their
      likes and dislikes. Race-obsessed people can find themselves hating people
      who, in fact, may be their own racial kith and kin.

      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Dr. Alfred Lilienthal, an anti-Zionist Jew, is a graduate from Cornell
      University and Colombia Law School. He is also a historian, journalist and
      lecturer. He is the author of five books.


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      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      Zydzi bracmi genetycznymi Arabow!!! (36) Gość: A.D
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        > Zydzi bracmi genetycznymi Arabow!!! (36) Gość: A.D

        >>. Nu, zydowski pepiczku, piszesz nieustannie jakie to swinie te Araby ( z
        kupa ortograficznych bledow w kazdym nieomal slowie...), to co sie genetycznie
        tobie nie zgadza?
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          Czyzby moje bledy ortograficzne zamienia tych co ty nazywasz "arabskie swinie" w koni rasowych?
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      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fel
    • Gość: A.D. Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 29.06.03, 18:48
      Gość portalu: A.D. napisał(a):

      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
    • besciak Masz racje co do... 29.06.03, 19:44
      rasy "zydowskiej" bo czegos takiego nie ma. Tak jak nie ma rasy polskiej.

      Jezeli chodzi o semitow to musisz sie zdecydowac. Raz piszesz ze Zydzi to
      kuzyni Arabow a teraz zaprzeczasz sam sobie.

      Tak nawiasem mowiac to dobrze ze ty wiesz kim ludzie w okolo ciebie tak
      naprawde sa i kim sie czuja. To jest wazne ze ty wiesz a my nie wiemy.

      Bo wiadomo, kazdy co z toba nie trzyma to Zyd.

      Uswiadom sobie ze nie kazdy musi miec takie same chore poglady jak ty i wcale
      Zydem byc nie musi.

      Serdecznie pozdrawiam z deszczowej Szwecji

      /Besciak TOaO
    • brennton Dlugo juz czekam na odpowíedz, A.D.! 29.06.03, 20:20
      abys przypadkiem nie przeoczyl, przypominam pytanie:

      - Cytat z A.D.

      "
      >> Tak wiec teraz bedzie wiecej 'jarkow', 'elen' 'bennetonow' i innych
      balwanow, ktorzy z wazelina tylko glosza klamstwa, bo taka maja nature. "

      1. CNN nigdy nie ogladam.
      BBC juz owszem, tak.

      2. Dziekuje uprzejmie za skojarzenie mego nicka z "Benettonem".
      - bedac esteta z natury, skojarzenie to pochlebia mi...

      3. POWAZNE PYTANIE.
      (A pytalem Cie o to juz kilka razy.)
      3 mln mieszkajacych w Polsce Zydow, zabitych przez Hitlerowcow,
      pozostawilo w Polsce jakis majatek.
      Jak sam piszesz, Zydzi domagaja sie ca. 60 mld US $ odszkodowania.
      Polski na to nie stac.
      W okresie komunizmu majatek ten ulegal stopniowo degradacji,
      tym niemniej,
      iles tysiecy Polakow mieszkalo dlugie lata w pozydoskich domach.

      Prezydent Kwasniewski sklonny jest na ugode z Zydami
      i zaplacenie im ca. 5 - 10 % zadanej przez nich sumy.
      Na tyle nas po prostu stac.
      Wiecej nie.
      Uwazam, ze jest to uczciwa propozycja.
      Chetnie wyslucham Twoje szczere i spokojne zdanie na ten temat.
      Dla przyzwoitosci przypominam, po raz kolejny, ze nie jestem Zydem.



    • Gość: marcus_crassus Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: *.tnt38.chi5.da.uu.net 29.06.03, 21:26
      Zydzi to taka rasa jak meksykanie.
    • Gość: A.D. Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 30.06.03, 16:48
      Gość portalu: A.D. napisał(a):

      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
    • Gość: |v|rowa Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: 134.174.196.* 30.06.03, 18:39
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    • Gość: A.D. Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 01.07.03, 22:23
      Gość portalu: A.D. napisał(a):

      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
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      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great
      ) capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had b
    • Gość: Sokol Re: Zydzi nie sa 'rasa' i nie sa Semitami IP: *.tnt38.chi5.da.uu.net 07.07.03, 02:20
      No wlasnie jak to jest ze nie sa rasa a sa rasistami wiekszymi
      od niemcow III Rzeszy.
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      smieszny , glupawy tworze. Jestes zalosnie nieefektywny, bos biedny i glupi.
      Gość portalu: A.D. napisał(a):

      ) )) Kolejna pozycja na temat tego, kim sa zydzi. Napisane jest to prze Zyda,
      ) wiec ccytujac to verbatim, prosze kierowac inwektywy w raczej swoim
      ) kierunku, panstwo zydzi, tudziez zydowscy wazeliniarze...
      )
      ) ))The Jews Are Not A Race!
      ) By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
      ) Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel? (1953)
      )
      )
      ) Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
      ) genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent
      ) for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional
      ) significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim
      ) of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-
      ) thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest
      ) stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the
      ) oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose
      ) lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the
      ) Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a
      ) favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite'
      ) Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost
      ) tribes.
      )
      ) Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not
      ) only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the
      ) remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then,
      ) can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community
      ) which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?
      )
      ) The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words
      ) Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used
      ) synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These
      ) words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in
      ) different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
      ) period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in
      ) Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes
      ) of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to
      ) designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of
      ) Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly
      ) at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later,
      ) the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose
      ) religion was Judaism.
      )
      ) The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites';
      ) it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to
      ) use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality
      ) of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial
      ) institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When
      ) the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
      ) The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many
      ) races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...
      )
      ) Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in
      ) Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-
      ) Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State
      ) of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga
      ) Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They
      ) settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and
      ) then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom
      ) of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and
      ) to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the
      ) Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the
      ) Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.
      ) Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of
      ) Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the
      ) surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians
      ) whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-
      ) 863).
      )
      ) The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania.
      ) Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to
      ) the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into
      ) present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is
      ) indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to
      ) help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish
      ) Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted
      ) and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
      )
      ) Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo
      ) III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition
      ) with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic
      ) faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740
      ) A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details
      ) of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of
      ) Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
      ) minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence
      ) (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still
      ) had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi
      ) knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been
      ) established beyond doubt.
      )
      ) According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one
      ) day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt
      ) one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan
      ) summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute
      ) their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the
      ) sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of
      ) them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian
      ) or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?"
      ) The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew."
      ) Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem
      ) also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and
      ) the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the
      ) Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic
      ) laws.
      )
      ) Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
      ) Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the
      ) Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor
      ) of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious
      ) efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in
      ) his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
      ) modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of
      ) Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state
      ) only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders
      ) brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also
      ) their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the
      ) Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil,
      • Gość: Sokol Re: AD nie jest rasy homo sapiens. Jest pedal. IP: *.tnt17.chi5.da.uu.net 07.07.03, 05:30
        Zgadza sie.A.D.ma racje ale jest nie efektywny zas zydy w Palestynie nie maja
        racji ale sa efektywni.
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