czy USA wprowadza pobor do wojska?

IP: *.astro.su.se 05.11.03, 11:41
Wiele sie o tym pisze i spekuluje. Np. dzis,

www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077906,00.html
fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/salon1.html
Polityka imperialna to powod do namyslu dla tych wszystkich, ktorych dzieci
maja obywatelstwo amerykanskie; w koncu poboru nie da sie uniknac.

Istnieje palaca potrzeba wprowadzenia poboru (jak za czasow oststniej wiekszej
z gory przegranej rozroby, w Wietnamie). Jedyny hamulec obecnie (mysle ze
skuteczny):
Bringing back conscription would be catastrophic for George Bush in an
election year, and at a time when parallels are increasingly being drawn
between Iraq and Vietnam.


Purely in mechanical terms, a draft is a complicated and difficult thing to
get off the ground. It would require an act of Congress, first, and then the
signature of the president. Young men are already required to register with
the Selective Service system, but if the bill were signed into law, it would
still take half a year or more to get the new troops into the system. Federal
law would require the Selective Service to immediately set up a lottery and
start sending out induction notices. Local draft boards would have to evaluate
them for medical problems, moral objections and other issues like family
crises, and hear the appeals of those who are resisting the draft.

In a new draft, college students whose lottery number was selected would only
be permitted to finish their current semester; seniors could finish their
final year. After that, they'd have to answer the call.


    • Gość: Tysprowda Re: czy USA wprowadza pobor do wojska? IP: 193.188.161.* 05.11.03, 13:43
      Jak tak dalej pojdzie jak w tym artykule, to pobor bedzie konieczny.

      Judge is shot dead as Iraqis' hatred of occupiers grows
      By Patrick Cockburn in al-Qadasiya
      05 November 2003


      Gunmen shot dead a prominent judge in Mosul in northern Iraq yesterday, a day
      after another judge was kidnapped and killed in Najaf in the south of the
      country.

      A car with tinted windows drew up outside the house of Ismail Yousef, a judge
      in Mosul's appeal court, early in the morning. Several men got out and shot the
      judge in the chest and side. The reason for the killing is a mystery; he was
      not involved in prosecuting Baathists.

      On Monday, a senior judge, Mohan Jaber al-Shoueli, was kidnapped with his
      deputy in the city of Najaf to the south of Baghdad. According to the deputy
      who was later released, the gunmen said they were obeying the orders of Saddam.
      Mystery surrounds the murder because Najaf is a Shia holy city and most of its
      population hated the deposed president.

      The assassination of two judges at opposite ends of the country differs from
      other killings in Iraq in that the victims were prominent enough for their
      names to be recorded.

      In the little farming village of al-Qadasiya yesterday, buried deep in the
      Iraqi countryside south of Balad and only accessible by dusty tracks, relatives
      were mourning six men who died in a pick-up truck when they were ambushed by
      American troops after returning from Ramadan prayers on Sunday night.

      Sitting in a tent, surrounded by neighbours who had come to comfort him, Abed
      Obaid Yass said his 61-year-old brother, Salman, his two sons, Arkan and Daoud,
      and two cousins had gone to a small cement mosque for prayers. They left the
      mosque at 8pm thinking they were safe because "the Americans announced over a
      loudspeaker that curfew was lifted". They drove home in three trucks, the last
      of which suddenly came under fire. Five people were hit, including the driver,
      but they kept going.

      When they got back to the village, the driver died but two men offered to take
      the wounded to hospital in another pick-up. But they were attacked again and
      five more people were killed. One old man who was wounded escaped into the
      bushes beside the road and watched an American ambush party surround the pick-
      up, which they presumably thought was being used by guerrillas. The villagers
      deny that anybody in the truck was involved in the resistance. They said there
      had been no attacks on American troops in the district that night.

      But a few miles away lies the scene where a US bulldozer had uprooted part of a
      grove of orange trees and a few date palms from which American troops had been
      ambushed a week before. The owner, an ageing sheikh, persuaded them to stop,
      saying there was no way he could prevent guer- rillas using the trees for cover.

      The men gathered in the mourning tent were bitter about the killings but they
      were almost as angry that nobody in the outside world knew or cared their
      relatives had been killed. They had made an attempt to tell others what had
      happened to them since the American-led invasion. Close to the road was a
      banner in broken English reading: "Them removed the tree and killed the kids,
      women and elderlies and cracked the houses."

      The US army does not keep a count of Iraqi civilians killed in such incidents,
      but the hostility they create towards the occupation goes a long way to explain
      why guerrilla war is becoming endemic in this part of the Iraqi countryside.
      • Gość: Krzys USA organizuje Spoleczne Komisje Poborowe IP: *.dialup.sprint-canada.net 06.11.03, 05:08
        Ponizej mozecie Panstwo Forumowicze przeczytac w oryginale artykul o
        konkretnych przygotowaniach amerykanskiej administracji do wprowadzenia
        powszechnego poboru do wojska .
        W zwiazku z sytuacja w Iraku , oraz praktyczna odmowa zwiekszenia pomocy
        wojskowej przez panstwa satelickie , Bush bedzie zmuszony do wprowadzenia
        przymusowego poboru do Armii , inaczej nie utrzyma sie okupacji Iraku .
        W czsie wojny o Kuwejt w 1991 roku , amerykanie mieli u siebie w kraju 10
        dywizji w rezerwie ( w odwodzie ) ,w tej chwili maja tylko jedna jedyna .
        Sytuacje pogorszyly ostatnio decyzje Hiszpanii i Australii , ktore wycofaly
        swoje wojsko z Iraku (ani Wyborcza ,ani zadna inna gazeta w Polsce o tym zdaje
        sie ,ze nie napisala ? ).Obecnie Administracja Amerykanska na stronach
        internetowych oglosila nabor ochotnikow - spolecznych pracownikow przyszlych
        Rejonowych Komisji Poborowych do Wojska .
        Powszechny pobor do amerykanskiej armii ,zostal wstrzymany w 1973 roku po
        wycofaniu sie z Vietnamu .
        Komentatorzy podkreslaja ,ze Bush wprowadzajac pobor do wojska ,moze przegrac
        przyszloroczne wybory prezydenckie , ale inni komentatorzy , uwazaja , ze
        dlatego Bush przygotowania do poboru robi po cichu , bez naglosnienia ,
        natomiast sam powszechny pobor do wojska ma zamiar oglosic tuz po wygranych
        wyborach za rok .
        Od siebie dodam ,ze dla wycofania naszych zolnierzy z Iraku , rowniez w Polsce
        potrzebne sa nowe wybory do Parlamentu .Jezeli poslami zostanie mniej zydow ,
        niz obecnie , to jest szansa ,ze nasze wojsko wroci do domu .

        Will U.S. bring back the draft?
        Defence Web site seeks volunteers
        Conscription abolished in '73


        TIM HARPER
        WASHINGTON BUREAU

        WASHINGTON—A call from the U.S. Defence Department for volunteers to sit on
        local draft boards has sparked debate here about whether a nationwide military
        draft could ultimately be needed to complete Washington's Iraq mission.

        A number of analysts said yesterday that while any public suggestion of a draft
        would be politically suicidal for U.S. President George W. Bush in an election
        year, he could find himself with few other options if he is returned for a
        second term and the fighting in Iraq is still raging.

        Bush, touring fire-ravaged regions of California yesterday, again vowed troops
        will never cut and run in Iraq, even as attacks on Americans escalate.

        The draft was abolished here three decades ago as the Vietnam War wound down,
        and the defence department notice about draft boards is on an obscure link on
        its Web site.

        But as debate swirls about the capabilities of the beleaguered U.S. military,
        the Pentagon is calling for volunteers to "Serve Your Community and the
        Nation." It says the Selective Service System "wants to hear from men and women
        in the community who might be willing to serve as members of a local draft
        board."

        If conscription becomes necessary, it says, 2,000 local and appeal boards would
        need volunteers. The boards would decide who would go to war and who could
        defer their service in the event of a national call-up to boost the currently
        all-volunteer military.

        "This is significant," said Ned Lebow, a presidential scholar at Dartmouth
        College in New Hampshire and former professor of strategy at the National War
        College in Washington.

        "What the department of defence is doing is creating the infrastructure to make
        the draft a viable option should the administration wish to go this route."

        He said it is the first public call to reconstitute draft boards since the
        compulsory draft was abolished in 1973.

        Pentagon officials did not return calls seeking comment yesterday.

        "I don't think a presidential candidate would seriously propose a draft," said
        Charles Pena, a senior analyst with the Washington-based Cato Institute. "But
        an incumbent, safely in for a second term — that might be a different story.

        "When you crunch the numbers, you understand why you hear talk about a draft.
        You only have to look at troop levels to realize we don't have the numbers to
        do the job in Iraq properly."

        The U.S. now has 130,000 troops in Iraq and Pentagon officials, from Defence
        Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on down, have maintained they do not want or need
        more troops there.

        But with Turkey being the latest country to decline to send troops and even
        staunch U.S. allies such as Australia and Spain pulling their nationals out of
        increasingly dangerous Baghdad, the prospect for international help is dim.

        When the U.S. fought the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, it had 10 army
        divisions ready to deploy at home as reinforcements.

        Today, there is a single division remaining in the U.S. that could be deployed
        to Iraq.

        The U.S. reserves are stretched thin, and the Pentagon doesn't want to extend
        the stay for troops already being asked to serve the longest unbroken war
        stints since Vietnam.

        A return to the draft would take a vote by Congress and a presidential
        signature and even with a second-term president barred by the constitution from
        seeking a third term, it is questionable whether a Congress would be willing to
        take such a politically risky step.

        At present, the preferred route publicly being espoused by the Bush White House
        is known as "Iraqification," a speeded-up transfer of security and political
        power to local Iraqi authorities.

        But following a speech to a forum on nation-building here yesterday, U.S.
        Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz refused to be specific on an exit
        strategy for U.S. troops.

        "I think we're on a good course," he said. "I don't want to sort of predict
        dates.

        "I think we have to measure progress by what's actually the situation on the
        ground."

        That, according to Wolfowitz, means providing a secure environment, providing
        the daily essentials such as electricity to Iraqis and the creation of a
        constitution that leads to elections.

        "I believe we are winning the peace," Wolfowitz said. "I believe we're also
        winning the war. But let's understand: the war continues. And that's what makes
        this a difficult challenge."

        Pena said the window for any exit strategy, no matter what the administration
        calls it, is fast closing before it looks blatantly political and a bid to win
        the president re-election.

        Rumsfeld is a strong supporter of the all-volunteer army. In September he
        called it "a booming success ... (with) a remarkable sense of mission," and
        most military analysts agree that a volunteer military is more professional
        because it is comprised of people who have chosen to serve in uniform.
        Additional articles by Tim Harper


        • Gość: Krzys Re: USA organizuje Spoleczne Komisje Poborowe IP: *.dialup.sprint-canada.net 06.11.03, 05:12
          Dodam ,ze powyzszy artykul pochodzi z najpoczytniejszego dziennika w Kanadzie :
          Toronto Star , na stronie internetowej mozna znalezc ,ta story z srody .
          • Gość: Tysprowda Re: USA organizuje Spoleczne Komisje Poborowe IP: 193.188.161.* 06.11.03, 08:27
            Zaloze sie, ze dzieci buszystow nie pojda do wojska.

            Tak jak ich rodzice, kurne jastrzebie strachem podszyte, beda mieli inne
            wazniejsze rzeczy do robienia.

            Barachlo pojdzie na zywe tarcze buszystow do Irakoriko, bronic ich planow
            prywatyzacji przemyslu naftowego i naftowego rurociagu przyjazni do Hajfy oraz
            wodnego rurociagu do innego miasta w Izraelu.
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