Gość: arahat Jak szczur wyladowal wsrod miesa IP: *.acn.pl 28.11.03, 08:17 armatniego.....a pozniej wrocil do kielicha a mieso armatnie zostawil na pozarcie myszkom. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Matt Re: Jak szczur wyladowal wsrod miesa, a ty kto? IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:32 "loser" poza marginesem? twoje extremalne poglady sa podzielane przez "pokrzywdzonych" i niedorobionych jak ty sam. jestes ciezarem a nie bogactwem tego spoleczenstwa. przepraszam za szczerosc. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: arahat Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego! IP: *.acn.pl 28.11.03, 08:21 pokleppal frajerow po plecach i wrocil do kielicha na swoim ranczo Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Tysprowda Re: Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego! IP: 193.188.161.* 28.11.03, 08:45 Przed odjazdem zas zaspiewali gromkim, meskim glosem i piesn wolna wzbila sie jak jatrzab kurny ponad obloki wywolujac szok i przerazenie u struchlalych aborygenow: Boj to jest nasz ostatni, krwawy skonczy sie trud, Gdy buszyzm nasz bratni, ogarnie ludzki rod! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Matt Re:Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego!, obronca wolnych IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:27 bullprawda,hanys,janosik 666,u,klu, poza marginesem przyzwoitych ludzi. stanowicie 5 kolumne barbarzyncow,fanatykow religijno politycznych. fcuk you all!. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Tysprowda Re:Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego!, obronca wolnyc IP: 193.188.161.* 28.11.03, 15:19 Mattolku Koziolku, stanowicie partei genosse 5 kolumne barbarzyncow, fanatykow religijno politycznych. Bush gromowladny broni barbarzyncow, fanatykow religijno politycznych, czyli swoich kumpli w Arabii Saudyjskiej, a takze szyitow w Irakoriko. I nadal pasyfikuje bezskutecznie Irakoriko aby wykonczyc poprzedni swiecki rezim. Bush off! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: luka zz Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 28.11.03, 08:32 Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Szlomo List otwarty do amerykanskich zolnierzy IP: *.cec.eu.int 28.11.03, 10:28 by Stan Goff; Counterpunch; November 17, 2003 Dear American serviceperson in Iraq, I am a retired veteran of the army, and my own son is among you, a paratrooper like I was. The changes that are happening to every one of you--some more extreme than others--are changes I know very well. So I'm going to say some things to you straight up in the language to which you are accustomed. In 1970, I was assigned to the 173rd Airborne Brigade, then based in northern Binh Dinh Province in what was then the Republic of Vietnam. When I went there, I had my head full of shit: shit from the news media, shit from movies, shit about what it supposedly mean to be a man, and shit from a lot of my know-nothing neighbors who would tell you plenty about Vietnam even though they'd never been there, or to war at all. The essence of all this shit was that we had to "stay the course in Vietnam," and that we were on some mission to save good Vietnamese from bad Vietnamese, and to keep the bad Vietnamese from hitting beachheads outside of Oakland. We stayed the course until 58,000 Americans were dead and lots more maimed for life, and 3,000,000 Southeast Asians were dead. Ex-military people and even many on active duty played a big part in finally bringing that crime to a halt. When I started hearing about weapons of mass destruction that threatened the United States from Iraq, a shattered country that had endured almost a decade of trench war followed by an invasion and twelve years of sanctions, my first question was how in the hell can anyone believe that this suffering country presents a threat to the United States? But then I remembered how many people had believed Vietnam threatened the United States. Including me. When that bullshit story about weapons came apart like a two- dollar shirt, the politicians who cooked up this war told everyone, including you, that you would be greeted like great liberators. They told us that we were in Vietnam to make sure everyone there could vote. What they didn't tell me was that before I got there in 1970, the American armed forces had been burning villages, killing livestock, poisoning farmlands and forests, killing civilians for sport, bombing whole villages, and commiting rapes and massacres, and the people who were grieving and raging over that weren't in a position to figure out the difference between me--just in country--and the people who had done those things to them. What they didn't tell you is that over a million and a half Iraqis died between 1991 and 2003 from malnutrition, medical neglect, and bad sanitation. Over half a million of those who died were the weakest: the children, especially very young children. My son who is over there now has a baby. We visit with our grandson every chance we get. He is eleven months old now. Lots of you have children, so you know how easy it is to really love them, and love them so hard you just know your entire world would collapse if anything happened to them. Iraqis feel that way about their babies, too. And they are not going to forget that the United States government was largely responsible for the deaths of half a million kids. So the lie that you would be welcomed as liberators was just that. A lie. A lie for people in the United States to get them to open their purse for this obscenity, and a lie for you to pump you up for a fight. And when you put this into perspective, you know that if you were an Iraqi, you probably wouldn't be crazy about American soldiers taking over your towns and cities either. This is the tough reality I faced in Vietnam. I knew while I was there that if I were Vietnamese, I would have been one of the Vietcong. But there we were, ordered into someone else's country, playing the role of occupier when we didn't know the people, their language, or their culture, with our head full of bullshit our so-called leaders had told us during training and in preparation for deployment, and even when we got there. There we were, facing people we were ordered to dominate, but any one of whom might be pumping mortars at us or firing AKs at us later that night. The question we stated to ask is who put us in this position? In our process of fighting to stay alive, and in their process of trying to expel an invader that violated their dignity, destroyed their property, and killed their innocents, we were faced off against each other by people who made these decisions in $5,000 suits, who laughed and slapped each other on the back in Washington DC with their fat fucking asses stuffed full of cordon blue and caviar. They chumped us. Anyone can be chumped. That's you now. Just fewer trees and less water. We haven't figured out how to stop the pasty-faced, oil-hungry backslappers in DC yet, and it looks like you all might be stuck there for a little longer. So I want to tell you the rest of the story. I changed over there in Vietnam and they were not nice changes either. I started getting pulled into something--something that craved other peole's pain. Just to make sure I wasn't regarded as a "fucking missionary" or a possible rat, I learned how to fit myself into that group that was untouchable, people too crazy to fuck with, people who desired the rush of omnipotence that comes with setting someone's house on fire just for the pure hell of it, or who could kill anyone, man, woman, or child, with hardly a second thought. People who had the power of life and death--because they could. The anger helps. It's easy to hate everyone you can't trust because of your circumstances, and to rage about what you've seen, what has happened to you, and what you have done and can't take back. It was all an act for me, a cover-up for deeper fears I couldn't name, and the reason I know that is that we had to dehumanize our victims before we did the things we did. We knew deep down that what we were doing was wrong. So they became dinks or gooks, just like Iraqis are now being transformed into ragheads or hajjis. People had to be reduced to "niggers" here before they could be lynched. No difference. We convinced ourselves we had to kill them to survive, even when that wasn't true, but something inside us told us that so long as they were human beings, with the same intrinsic value we had as human beings, we were not allowed to burn their homes and barns, kill their animals, and sometimes even kill them. So we used these words, these new names, to reduce them, to strip them of their essential humanity, and then we could do things like adjust artillery fire onto the cries of a baby. Until that baby was silenced, though, and here's the important thing to understand, that baby never surrendered her humanity. I did. We did. That's the thing you might not get until it's too late. When you take away the humantiy of another, you kill your own humanity. You attack your own soul because it is standing in the way. So we finish our tour, and go back to our families, who can see that even though we function, we are empty and incapable of truly connecting to people any more, and maybe we can go for months or even years before we fill that void where we surrendered our humanity, with chemical anesthetics--drugs, alcohol, until we realize that the void can never be filled and we shoot ourselves, or head off into the street where we can disappear with the flotsam of society, or we hurt others, esepcially those who try to love us, and end up as another incarceration statistic or a mental patient. You can ever escape that you became a racist because you made the excuse that you needed that to survive, that you took things away from people that you can never give back, or that you killed a piece of yourself that you may never Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Szlomo List otwarty do amerykanskich zolnierzy - cd IP: *.cec.eu.int 28.11.03, 10:31 Some of us do. We get lucky and someone gives a damn enough to emotionally resuscitate us and bring us back to life. Many do not. I live with the rage every day of my life, even when no one else sees it. You might hear it in my words. I hate being chumped. So here is my message to you. You will do what you have to do to survive, however you define survival, while we do what we have to do to stop this thing. But don't surrender your humanity. Not to fit in. Not to prove yourself. Not for an adrenaline rush. Not to lash out when you are angry and frustrated. Not for some ticket-punching fucking military careerist to make his bones on. Especially not for the Bush- Cheney Gas & Oil Consortium. The big bosses are trying to gain control of the world's energy supplies to twist the arms of future economic competitors. That's what's going on, and you need to understand it, then do what you need to do to hold on to your humanity. The system does that; tells you you are some kind of hero action figures, but uses you as gunmen. They chump you. Your so-called civilian leadership sees you as an expendable commodity. They don't care about your nightmares, about the DU that you are breathing, about the lonliness, the doubts, the pain, or about how you humanity is stripped away a piece at a time. They will cut your benefits, deny your illnesses, and hide your wounded and dead from the public. They already are. They don't care. So you have to. And to preserve your own humanity, you must recognize the humanity of the people whose nation you now occupy and know that both you and they are victims of the filthy rich bastards who are calling the shots. They are your enemies--The Suits--and they are the enemies of peace, and the enemies of your families, especially if they are Black families, or immigrant families, or poor families. They are thieves and bullies who take and never give, and they say they will "never run" in Iraq, but you and I know that they will never have to run, because they fucking aren't there. You are They'll skin and grin while they are getting what they want from you, and throw you away like a used condom when they are done. Ask the vets who are having their benefits slashed out from under them now. Bushfeld and their cronies are parasites, and they are the sole beneficiaries of the chaos you are learning to live in. They get the money. You get the prosthetic devices, the nightmares, and the mysterious illnesses. So if your rage needs a target, there they are, responsible for your being there, and responsible for keeping you there. I can't tell you to disobey. That would probably run me afoul of the law. That will be a decision you will have to take when and if the circumstances and your own conscience dictate. But it perfeclty legal for you to refuse illegal orders, and orders to abuse or attack civilians are illegal. Ordering you to keep silent about these crimes is also illegal. I can tell you, without fear of legal consequence, that you are never under any obligation to hate Iraqis, you are never under any obligation to give yourself over to racism and nihilism and the thirst to kill for the sake of killing, and you are never under any obligation to let them drive out the last vestiges of your capacity to see and tell the truth to yourself and to the world. You do not owe them your souls. Come home safe, and come home sane. The people who love you and who have loved you all your lives are waiting here, and we want you to come back and be able to look us in the face. Don't leave your souls in the dust there like another corpse. Hold on to your humanity. Stan Goff US Army (Ret.) Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: SAGGER Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.euronet.net.pl 28.11.03, 11:18 Johnson Mcnamara i Westmoreland teżbyli twardzi... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Matt Re:krok do przodu usa,wolny swiat rzadzi IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:23 wbrew "looserom" eu jedyny liczacy sie polityk swiatowy przeprowadzi zmiany polityczne na miare giganta. kazdy czlowiek dobrej woli na swiecie popiera jego za jego odwage i konsekwencje w realizacji planu obrony naszej cywilizacji przed atakami barbarzyncow fanatykow religijno - politycznych. niech zyje usa i koalicja. precz z lewakami , 5 kolumna barbarzynskich fanatykow terrorystow. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Mars tchorzliwy Bush gotow byl zawrocic any moment IP: *.fnj1.hawkcommunications.com 28.11.03, 13:35 jakby ktorys z dziennikarzy puscil farby. To swiadczy o odwadze tego dupka,pamietajmy jaki strach mial w oczach 9/11 i jak uciekal po calych stanach.. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Matt Re: tchorzliwy?a osama ?,niech wpadnie do usa na IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 14:46 chociaz na 5 minut do usa. osama, wyjdz z jaskini i pozdrow swych bojownikow/fanatykow nie mowiac o czyms bardziej odwaznym jak pojawienie sie w nowym yorku na 5 minut. ... a nie bohaterze spod psiej gwiazdy wypuszczasz kolejne kasety. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
tpa96 GOD, GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA. 28.11.03, 14:40 GOD, GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA. PANIE BOZE ODDAJ NAM NASZA AMERYKE. www.geocities.com/election004/INDEX.html Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: u Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.sylaba.poznan.pl 28.11.03, 14:42 Gość portalu: v napisał(a): > Twardy facet. Nie to co le lewackie mieczaki. spoko!! kulom sie nie kłania gościu!! POPIERAM - rozwalic pojebów na całym świecie : USA rules! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
czerwony.kapturek Bajka o czlowieku, ktory sie kulom 28.11.03, 15:02 nie klanial, jak nasz general Walter? Czy tez z tych samych powodow? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: bolo Ale mial cykora , az mu sie broda czesla IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 28.11.03, 15:21 Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: meerkat LEWACTWO JUZ NA SMIETNIKU HISTORII!!! :))) IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 15:41 Lewactwo i antyamerykańskie paSYFy znow moga tylko pluc jadem, ale nic z tego i tak nie wyjdzie, bo ich historia medyczna jasno wskazuje z kim mamy do czynienia. Olewajcie ich panowie, bo to wkurza ich bardziej niz cokolwiek innego. To śmiecie chce się po prostu dowartościować, bo w życiu nie może. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: hihi BRAVO MR. PRESIDENT. IP: *.rasserver.net 28.11.03, 16:17 To jest cos!!! Lewako- pacoli szlag trafi.:-)Bush pokazal im palucha..:-) Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
czerwony.kapturek Clinton w Bagdadzie 28.11.03, 17:10 W przeciwieństwie do Busha, który nie opuścił terenu obozu wojskowego wokół lotniska, pani Clinton wyjechała na miasto i spotkała się z przedstawicielami organizacji pozarządowych i Irakijczykami. ------------------- Busz to twardziel, nie? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: meerkat Hillary w Bagdadzie IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 18:11 Bo wie, że saddamici lubią ją tak samo jak ona ich! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: fy Bush visit dismissed as mere stunt IP: *.tor.primus.ca 28.11.03, 17:54 World madia determination to win both the war in Iraq and re- election next year. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Kanadol Do jakiego Iraku? IP: *.tkg.bc.tac.net 28.11.03, 18:38 Wyladowal szczur na jakims lotnisku w nocy na 2-godzinne spotkanie. Widzial Irak?! Po co bylo tracic paliwo, mogli to nakrecic gdzies w Texasie, np. za busha stodola. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: meerkat A może on był w Kanadzie? Tam też terroryści! :))) IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 18:45 Tak kręcić to tylko Kretyn w Kanadzie umie! Amerykanie kręcą w terenie. Jak na przykład trzeba jakichś dzikusów i bekających piwskiem rednecków sfilmować gdziś w głuszy to się kręci w Kanadzie. Blisko, tanio i jeszcze po rękach za pracę całują! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Kanadol Daleko wam do Kanady IP: *.tkg.bc.tac.net 28.11.03, 22:14 Jestem szczesliwy, ze wyladowalem tu, a nie w tym Us-raju. Fakt jest, ze niestety mamy wplywy tej prostackiej chamerykanskiej kultury, ale stawiamy opor jak mozemy. Kanada z natury jest bardziej europejska poprzez silny angielski heritage a i francuski Quebec. A ty chamie nie przypinaj sobie kanadyskiego znaczka "Maple Leaf", gdy podrozujesz po swiecie. Robi to wiele amerykanow, zeby na nich nie pluli. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: meerkat Daleko wam do USA, oj daleko, Chretieny! IP: *.cvx.algx.net 28.11.03, 22:39 To Kanady blisko- tylko jeden krok. I moze dlatego tak wielu Kanadoli szuka szczescia po poludniowej stronie granicy po nasyceniu sie wyrafinowana kanadyjska kultura hokejowo-piwno-curlingowa. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: bk Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 28.11.03, 19:24 Gość portalu: v napisał(a): > Twardy facet. Nie to co le lewackie mieczaki. miales na mysli - twardoglowy, ocywiscie Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
gawronka Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku 28.11.03, 19:54 Pan Bush, konserwatysta i obrońca ładu społecznego, powinien to najważniejsze dla Amerykanów święto spędzać z rodziną, a nie w rozjazdach służbowych. To nie jest dobry przykład dla Amerykanów. Howgh. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Szybki Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.proxy.aol.com 28.11.03, 20:58 Brawo dla prezydenta Busha,jest to naprawde czlowiek ktory nie tylko mysli i mowi lecz tez to wykonuje. Ja pisze nie tylko jako osoba (kazdy ma swoje opinie)lecz jako weteran (Wietnam). Brawo,brawo i dziekuje dla prezydenta za spedzenie chwile czasu z wojskiem w Bagdadzie w czasie swiat"Dziekczynienia". Pozd. z Kaliforni. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: JBS - Canada Air Force One = Punkt wygarniania z gaci. IP: *.look.ca 28.11.03, 23:48 Bush to gorszy tchorz od Hitlera. Adolf to przynajmniej kilka razy na froncie byl. I po Paryzu sie przechadzal i na wiezy Eiffla fotografowal. A zamachy na siebie to sam robil z wyjatkiem ostatniego w Wolfschanze. A Bush potrzebuje obstawy nawet w sraczu. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: meerkat LEWACKI SKUNKS SMRODZI NA FORUM! :((( IP: *.cvx.algx.net 29.11.03, 20:07 Hitler, GLUPOLU, zadnej obstawy w Paryzu nie potrzebowal, bo Francuzi sami poodawali cala bron juz w pierwszych dniach wojny. Najwyzej mogl zlapac syfa (AIDS jeszcze nie bylo!) od jakiejs paryzanki, bo wiekszosc z nich dawala w czasie wojny Niemcom dupy za darmo i z rozkosza, do tego stopnia, ze az zawodowe kur..y narzekaly!. A takim jak ty, to nawet by gowna nie dali wybierac z szamba Air Force One, bo bys wlasna osoba zasmrodzil cala maszyne jak tchorz. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Wrocławianin Najbardziej prawdopodobne jest to, że był to sobowtór. IP: smoothwall:* 29.11.03, 12:38 W końcu skoro Saddam może to dlaczego nie władca imperium petrodolarowego Busz. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś