Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku

    • Gość: arahat Jak szczur wyladowal wsrod miesa IP: *.acn.pl 28.11.03, 08:17
      armatniego.....a pozniej wrocil do kielicha a mieso armatnie
      zostawil na pozarcie myszkom.
      • Gość: Matt Re: Jak szczur wyladowal wsrod miesa, a ty kto? IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:32
        "loser" poza marginesem?

        twoje extremalne poglady sa podzielane przez "pokrzywdzonych" i niedorobionych
        jak ty sam.

        jestes ciezarem a nie bogactwem tego spoleczenstwa.

        przepraszam za szczerosc.
    • Gość: arahat Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego! IP: *.acn.pl 28.11.03, 08:21
      pokleppal frajerow po plecach i wrocil do kielicha na swoim
      ranczo
      • Gość: Tysprowda Re: Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego! IP: 193.188.161.* 28.11.03, 08:45
        Przed odjazdem zas zaspiewali gromkim, meskim glosem i piesn wolna wzbila sie
        jak jatrzab kurny ponad obloki wywolujac szok i przerazenie u struchlalych
        aborygenow:

        Boj to jest nasz ostatni,
        krwawy skonczy sie trud,
        Gdy buszyzm nasz bratni,
        ogarnie ludzki rod!
        • Gość: Matt Re:Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego!, obronca wolnych IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:27
          bullprawda,hanys,janosik 666,u,klu, poza marginesem przyzwoitych ludzi.

          stanowicie 5 kolumne barbarzyncow,fanatykow religijno politycznych.

          fcuk you all!.
          • Gość: Tysprowda Re:Szczur wsrod miesa armatniego!, obronca wolnyc IP: 193.188.161.* 28.11.03, 15:19
            Mattolku Koziolku, stanowicie partei genosse 5 kolumne barbarzyncow, fanatykow
            religijno politycznych.

            Bush gromowladny broni barbarzyncow, fanatykow religijno politycznych, czyli
            swoich kumpli w Arabii Saudyjskiej, a takze szyitow w Irakoriko.

            I nadal pasyfikuje bezskutecznie Irakoriko aby wykonczyc poprzedni swiecki
            rezim.

            Bush off!
    • Gość: luka zz Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 28.11.03, 08:32
    • Gość: Szlomo List otwarty do amerykanskich zolnierzy IP: *.cec.eu.int 28.11.03, 10:28
      by Stan Goff; Counterpunch; November 17, 2003

      Dear American serviceperson in Iraq,

      I am a retired veteran of the army, and my own son is among
      you, a paratrooper like I was. The changes that are happening
      to every one of you--some more extreme than others--are changes
      I know very well. So I'm going to say some things to you
      straight up in the language to which you are accustomed.

      In 1970, I was assigned to the 173rd Airborne Brigade, then
      based in northern Binh Dinh Province in what was then the
      Republic of Vietnam. When I went there, I had my head full of
      shit: shit from the news media, shit from movies, shit about
      what it supposedly mean to be a man, and shit from a lot of my
      know-nothing neighbors who would tell you plenty about Vietnam
      even though they'd never been there, or to war at all.

      The essence of all this shit was that we had to "stay the
      course in Vietnam," and that we were on some mission to save
      good Vietnamese from bad Vietnamese, and to keep the bad
      Vietnamese from hitting beachheads outside of Oakland. We
      stayed the course until 58,000 Americans were dead and lots
      more maimed for life, and 3,000,000 Southeast Asians were dead.
      Ex-military people and even many on active duty played a big
      part in finally bringing that crime to a halt.

      When I started hearing about weapons of mass destruction that
      threatened the United States from Iraq, a shattered country
      that had endured almost a decade of trench war followed by an
      invasion and twelve years of sanctions, my first question was
      how in the hell can anyone believe that this suffering country
      presents a threat to the United States? But then I remembered
      how many people had believed Vietnam threatened the United
      States. Including me.

      When that bullshit story about weapons came apart like a two-
      dollar shirt, the politicians who cooked up this war told
      everyone, including you, that you would be greeted like great
      liberators. They told us that we were in Vietnam to make sure
      everyone there could vote.

      What they didn't tell me was that before I got there in 1970,
      the American armed forces had been burning villages, killing
      livestock, poisoning farmlands and forests, killing civilians
      for sport, bombing whole villages, and commiting rapes and
      massacres, and the people who were grieving and raging over
      that weren't in a position to figure out the difference between
      me--just in country--and the people who had done those things
      to them.

      What they didn't tell you is that over a million and a half
      Iraqis died between 1991 and 2003 from malnutrition, medical
      neglect, and bad sanitation. Over half a million of those who
      died were the weakest: the children, especially very young
      children.

      My son who is over there now has a baby. We visit with our
      grandson every chance we get. He is eleven months old now. Lots
      of you have children, so you know how easy it is to really love
      them, and love them so hard you just know your entire world
      would collapse if anything happened to them. Iraqis feel that
      way about their babies, too. And they are not going to forget
      that the United States government was largely responsible for
      the deaths of half a million kids.

      So the lie that you would be welcomed as liberators was just
      that. A lie. A lie for people in the United States to get them
      to open their purse for this obscenity, and a lie for you to
      pump you up for a fight.

      And when you put this into perspective, you know that if you
      were an Iraqi, you probably wouldn't be crazy about American
      soldiers taking over your towns and cities either. This is the
      tough reality I faced in Vietnam. I knew while I was there that
      if I were Vietnamese, I would have been one of the Vietcong.

      But there we were, ordered into someone else's country, playing
      the role of occupier when we didn't know the people, their
      language, or their culture, with our head full of bullshit our
      so-called leaders had told us during training and in
      preparation for deployment, and even when we got there. There
      we were, facing people we were ordered to dominate, but any one
      of whom might be pumping mortars at us or firing AKs at us
      later that night. The question we stated to ask is who put us
      in this position?

      In our process of fighting to stay alive, and in their process
      of trying to expel an invader that violated their dignity,
      destroyed their property, and killed their innocents, we were
      faced off against each other by people who made these decisions
      in $5,000 suits, who laughed and slapped each other on the back
      in Washington DC with their fat fucking asses stuffed full of
      cordon blue and caviar.

      They chumped us. Anyone can be chumped.

      That's you now. Just fewer trees and less water.

      We haven't figured out how to stop the pasty-faced, oil-hungry
      backslappers in DC yet, and it looks like you all might be
      stuck there for a little longer. So I want to tell you the rest
      of the story.

      I changed over there in Vietnam and they were not nice changes
      either. I started getting pulled into something--something that
      craved other peole's pain. Just to make sure I wasn't regarded
      as a "fucking missionary" or a possible rat, I learned how to
      fit myself into that group that was untouchable, people too
      crazy to fuck with, people who desired the rush of omnipotence
      that comes with setting someone's house on fire just for the
      pure hell of it, or who could kill anyone, man, woman, or
      child, with hardly a second thought. People who had the power
      of life and death--because they could.

      The anger helps. It's easy to hate everyone you can't trust
      because of your circumstances, and to rage about what you've
      seen, what has happened to you, and what you have done and
      can't take back.

      It was all an act for me, a cover-up for deeper fears I
      couldn't name, and the reason I know that is that we had to
      dehumanize our victims before we did the things we did. We knew
      deep down that what we were doing was wrong. So they became
      dinks or gooks, just like Iraqis are now being transformed into
      ragheads or hajjis. People had to be reduced to "niggers" here
      before they could be lynched. No difference. We convinced
      ourselves we had to kill them to survive, even when that wasn't
      true, but something inside us told us that so long as they were
      human beings, with the same intrinsic value we had as human
      beings, we were not allowed to burn their homes and barns, kill
      their animals, and sometimes even kill them. So we used these
      words, these new names, to reduce them, to strip them of their
      essential humanity, and then we could do things like adjust
      artillery fire onto the cries of a baby.

      Until that baby was silenced, though, and here's the important
      thing to understand, that baby never surrendered her humanity.
      I did. We did. That's the thing you might not get until it's
      too late. When you take away the humantiy of another, you kill
      your own humanity. You attack your own soul because it is
      standing in the way.

      So we finish our tour, and go back to our families, who can see
      that even though we function, we are empty and incapable of
      truly connecting to people any more, and maybe we can go for
      months or even years before we fill that void where we
      surrendered our humanity, with chemical anesthetics--drugs,
      alcohol, until we realize that the void can never be filled and
      we shoot ourselves, or head off into the street where we can
      disappear with the flotsam of society, or we hurt others,
      esepcially those who try to love us, and end up as another
      incarceration statistic or a mental patient.

      You can ever escape that you became a racist because you made
      the excuse that you needed that to survive, that you took
      things away from people that you can never give back, or that
      you killed a piece of yourself that you may never
      • Gość: Szlomo List otwarty do amerykanskich zolnierzy - cd IP: *.cec.eu.int 28.11.03, 10:31
        Some of us do. We get lucky and someone gives a damn enough to
        emotionally resuscitate us and bring us back to life. Many do
        not.

        I live with the rage every day of my life, even when no one
        else sees it. You might hear it in my words. I hate being
        chumped.

        So here is my message to you. You will do what you have to do
        to survive, however you define survival, while we do what we
        have to do to stop this thing. But don't surrender your
        humanity. Not to fit in. Not to prove yourself. Not for an
        adrenaline rush. Not to lash out when you are angry and
        frustrated. Not for some ticket-punching fucking military
        careerist to make his bones on. Especially not for the Bush-
        Cheney Gas & Oil Consortium.

        The big bosses are trying to gain control of the world's energy
        supplies to twist the arms of future economic competitors.
        That's what's going on, and you need to understand it, then do
        what you need to do to hold on to your humanity. The system
        does that; tells you you are some kind of hero action figures,
        but uses you as gunmen. They chump you.

        Your so-called civilian leadership sees you as an expendable
        commodity. They don't care about your nightmares, about the DU
        that you are breathing, about the lonliness, the doubts, the
        pain, or about how you humanity is stripped away a piece at a
        time. They will cut your benefits, deny your illnesses, and
        hide your wounded and dead from the public. They already are.

        They don't care. So you have to. And to preserve your own
        humanity, you must recognize the humanity of the people whose
        nation you now occupy and know that both you and they are
        victims of the filthy rich bastards who are calling the shots.

        They are your enemies--The Suits--and they are the enemies of
        peace, and the enemies of your families, especially if they are
        Black families, or immigrant families, or poor families. They
        are thieves and bullies who take and never give, and they say
        they will "never run" in Iraq, but you and I know that they
        will never have to run, because they fucking aren't there. You
        are

        They'll skin and grin while they are getting what they want
        from you, and throw you away like a used condom when they are
        done. Ask the vets who are having their benefits slashed out
        from under them now. Bushfeld and their cronies are parasites,
        and they are the sole beneficiaries of the chaos you are
        learning to live in. They get the money. You get the prosthetic
        devices, the nightmares, and the mysterious illnesses.

        So if your rage needs a target, there they are, responsible for
        your being there, and responsible for keeping you there. I
        can't tell you to disobey. That would probably run me afoul of
        the law. That will be a decision you will have to take when and
        if the circumstances and your own conscience dictate. But it
        perfeclty legal for you to refuse illegal orders, and orders to
        abuse or attack civilians are illegal. Ordering you to keep
        silent about these crimes is also illegal.

        I can tell you, without fear of legal consequence, that you are
        never under any obligation to hate Iraqis, you are never under
        any obligation to give yourself over to racism and nihilism and
        the thirst to kill for the sake of killing, and you are never
        under any obligation to let them drive out the last vestiges of
        your capacity to see and tell the truth to yourself and to the
        world. You do not owe them your souls.

        Come home safe, and come home sane. The people who love you and
        who have loved you all your lives are waiting here, and we want
        you to come back and be able to look us in the face. Don't
        leave your souls in the dust there like another corpse.

        Hold on to your humanity.

        Stan Goff

        US Army (Ret.)
    • Gość: SAGGER Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.euronet.net.pl 28.11.03, 11:18
      Johnson Mcnamara i Westmoreland teżbyli twardzi...
      • Gość: Matt Re:krok do przodu usa,wolny swiat rzadzi IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 12:23
        wbrew "looserom" eu jedyny liczacy sie polityk swiatowy przeprowadzi zmiany
        polityczne na miare giganta.

        kazdy czlowiek dobrej woli na swiecie popiera jego za jego odwage i
        konsekwencje w realizacji planu obrony naszej cywilizacji przed atakami
        barbarzyncow fanatykow religijno - politycznych.

        niech zyje usa i koalicja.

        precz z lewakami , 5 kolumna barbarzynskich fanatykow terrorystow.

    • Gość: Mars tchorzliwy Bush gotow byl zawrocic any moment IP: *.fnj1.hawkcommunications.com 28.11.03, 13:35
      jakby ktorys z dziennikarzy puscil farby.
      To swiadczy o odwadze tego dupka,pamietajmy jaki strach mial w oczach
      9/11 i jak uciekal po calych stanach..
      • Gość: Matt Re: tchorzliwy?a osama ?,niech wpadnie do usa na IP: *.nsw.bigpond.net.au 28.11.03, 14:46
        chociaz na 5 minut do usa.
        osama, wyjdz z jaskini i pozdrow swych bojownikow/fanatykow nie mowiac o czyms
        bardziej odwaznym jak pojawienie sie w nowym yorku na 5 minut.

        ... a nie bohaterze spod psiej gwiazdy wypuszczasz kolejne kasety.
    • tpa96 GOD, GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA. 28.11.03, 14:40
      GOD, GIVE ME BACK MY AMERICA.
      PANIE BOZE ODDAJ NAM NASZA AMERYKE.

      www.geocities.com/election004/INDEX.html
    • Gość: u Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.sylaba.poznan.pl 28.11.03, 14:42
      Gość portalu: v napisał(a):

      > Twardy facet. Nie to co le lewackie mieczaki.

      spoko!! kulom sie nie kłania gościu!! POPIERAM - rozwalic
      pojebów na całym świecie : USA rules!
      • czerwony.kapturek Bajka o czlowieku, ktory sie kulom 28.11.03, 15:02
        nie klanial, jak nasz general Walter?
        Czy tez z tych samych powodow?
    • Gość: bolo Ale mial cykora , az mu sie broda czesla IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 28.11.03, 15:21
      • Gość: meerkat LEWACTWO JUZ NA SMIETNIKU HISTORII!!! :))) IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 15:41
        Lewactwo i antyamerykańskie paSYFy znow moga tylko pluc jadem, ale nic z tego i
        tak nie wyjdzie, bo ich historia medyczna jasno wskazuje z kim mamy do
        czynienia.

        Olewajcie ich panowie, bo to wkurza ich bardziej niz cokolwiek innego.
        To śmiecie chce się po prostu dowartościować, bo w życiu nie może.
    • Gość: hihi BRAVO MR. PRESIDENT. IP: *.rasserver.net 28.11.03, 16:17
      To jest cos!!! Lewako- pacoli szlag trafi.:-)Bush pokazal
      im palucha..:-)
      • czerwony.kapturek Clinton w Bagdadzie 28.11.03, 17:10
        W przeciwieństwie do Busha, który nie opuścił terenu obozu wojskowego wokół
        lotniska, pani Clinton wyjechała na miasto i spotkała się z przedstawicielami
        organizacji pozarządowych i Irakijczykami.
        -------------------

        Busz to twardziel, nie?
        • Gość: meerkat Hillary w Bagdadzie IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 18:11
          Bo wie, że saddamici lubią ją tak samo jak ona ich!
    • Gość: fy Bush visit dismissed as mere stunt IP: *.tor.primus.ca 28.11.03, 17:54
      World madia determination to win both the war in Iraq and re-
      election next year.

    • Gość: Kanadol Do jakiego Iraku? IP: *.tkg.bc.tac.net 28.11.03, 18:38
      Wyladowal szczur na jakims lotnisku w nocy na 2-godzinne
      spotkanie. Widzial Irak?!
      Po co bylo tracic paliwo, mogli to nakrecic gdzies w Texasie,
      np. za busha stodola.
      • Gość: meerkat A może on był w Kanadzie? Tam też terroryści! :))) IP: 152.75.142.* 28.11.03, 18:45
        Tak kręcić to tylko Kretyn w Kanadzie umie!

        Amerykanie kręcą w terenie. Jak na przykład trzeba jakichś dzikusów i
        bekających piwskiem rednecków sfilmować gdziś w głuszy to się kręci w Kanadzie.
        Blisko, tanio i jeszcze po rękach za pracę całują!
        • Gość: Kanadol Daleko wam do Kanady IP: *.tkg.bc.tac.net 28.11.03, 22:14
          Jestem szczesliwy, ze wyladowalem tu, a nie w tym Us-raju.
          Fakt jest, ze niestety mamy wplywy tej prostackiej
          chamerykanskiej kultury, ale stawiamy opor jak mozemy.
          Kanada z natury jest bardziej europejska poprzez silny angielski
          heritage a i francuski Quebec.
          A ty chamie nie przypinaj sobie kanadyskiego znaczka "Maple
          Leaf", gdy podrozujesz po swiecie. Robi to wiele amerykanow,
          zeby na nich nie pluli.
          • Gość: meerkat Daleko wam do USA, oj daleko, Chretieny! IP: *.cvx.algx.net 28.11.03, 22:39
            To Kanady blisko- tylko jeden krok. I moze dlatego tak wielu Kanadoli szuka
            szczescia po poludniowej stronie granicy po nasyceniu sie wyrafinowana
            kanadyjska kultura hokejowo-piwno-curlingowa.
    • Gość: bk Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.cable.mindspring.com 28.11.03, 19:24
      Gość portalu: v napisał(a):

      > Twardy facet. Nie to co le lewackie mieczaki.

      miales na mysli - twardoglowy, ocywiscie

    • gawronka Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku 28.11.03, 19:54
      Pan Bush, konserwatysta i obrońca ładu społecznego, powinien to najważniejsze
      dla Amerykanów święto spędzać z rodziną, a nie w rozjazdach służbowych. To nie
      jest dobry przykład dla Amerykanów. Howgh.
      • Gość: Szybki Re: Krótka podróż Busha do Iraku IP: *.proxy.aol.com 28.11.03, 20:58
        Brawo dla prezydenta Busha,jest to naprawde czlowiek ktory nie tylko mysli i
        mowi lecz tez to wykonuje.
        Ja pisze nie tylko jako osoba (kazdy ma swoje opinie)lecz jako weteran
        (Wietnam).

        Brawo,brawo i dziekuje dla prezydenta za spedzenie chwile czasu z wojskiem w
        Bagdadzie w czasie swiat"Dziekczynienia".
        Pozd. z Kaliforni.
    • Gość: JBS - Canada Air Force One = Punkt wygarniania z gaci. IP: *.look.ca 28.11.03, 23:48
      Bush to gorszy tchorz od Hitlera.
      Adolf to przynajmniej kilka razy na froncie byl. I po Paryzu sie
      przechadzal i na wiezy Eiffla fotografowal. A zamachy na siebie
      to sam robil z wyjatkiem ostatniego w Wolfschanze.
      A Bush potrzebuje obstawy nawet w sraczu.
      • Gość: meerkat LEWACKI SKUNKS SMRODZI NA FORUM! :((( IP: *.cvx.algx.net 29.11.03, 20:07
        Hitler, GLUPOLU, zadnej obstawy w Paryzu nie potrzebowal, bo Francuzi sami
        poodawali cala bron juz w pierwszych dniach wojny. Najwyzej mogl zlapac syfa
        (AIDS jeszcze nie bylo!) od jakiejs paryzanki, bo wiekszosc z nich dawala w
        czasie wojny Niemcom dupy za darmo i z rozkosza, do tego stopnia, ze az
        zawodowe kur..y narzekaly!.

        A takim jak ty, to nawet by gowna nie dali wybierac z szamba Air Force One, bo
        bys wlasna osoba zasmrodzil cala maszyne jak tchorz.
    • Gość: Wrocławianin Najbardziej prawdopodobne jest to, że był to sobowtór. IP: smoothwall:* 29.11.03, 12:38
      W końcu skoro Saddam może to dlaczego nie władca imperium
      petrodolarowego Busz.
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