Gość: pran IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 10.09.04, 23:56 Hello fellows I have a question about the word Reverend. Is it used to refer to a Catholic priest as well? or just to a Protestant clergyman? Thanx a lot for any responses. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś czytaj wygodnie posty
Gość: me Re: Reverend IP: *.aster.pl / *.aster.pl 11.09.04, 00:51 Also to Catholic priests. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: wj Re: Reverend IP: *.nyc.rr.com 11.09.04, 05:24 Aparently me is wrong. Reverend pertains only to the protestant clergy while catholics and orthodox are fathers and brothers. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: gosc Re: Reverend IP: *.va.shawcable.net 11.09.04, 05:50 Reverend is unfortunately a Roman Catholic title and it's in the same group of other presumptuous titles like His Holiness, Beatitude, Eminence, Excellency,and possibly others. Just gives all the priests a certain degree of respect.I guess. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: wj Re: Reverend IP: *.nyc.rr.com 11.09.04, 16:14 Reverend used before the name of the catholic priest is an adjective. - Reverend ( Most Reverend ) Father William O'Connor. Reverend used before the name of non catholic clergy is a noun. - Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Al Sharpton Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Tamtejszy Re: Reverend IP: *.proxy.aol.com 11.09.04, 17:28 "Wielebny ksiądz..." Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: gosc Re: Reverend IP: *.va.shawcable.net 11.09.04, 21:08 Agree. There are various usages of Reverend and this one is just another example of adding unwarranted admiration and respect to someone who is anything but reverend or holy. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
ampolion Re: Reverend 11.09.04, 21:30 Tak jak "Gość w dom, Bóg w dom" nie jest boski?... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
zegar4 Re: the Reverend... 12.09.04, 01:50 (no the) Whacked wj: "Aparently me is wrong. Reverend pertains only to the protestant clergy while catholics and orthodox are fathers and brothers." "Reverend used before the name of the catholic priest is an adjective. - Reverend ( Most Reverend ) Father William O'Connor. Reverend used before the name of non catholic clergy is a noun. - Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Al Sharpton" (no the)Flummoxed Gosc: "Agree. There are various usages of Reverend and this one is just another example of adding unwarranted admiration and respect to someone who is anything but reverend or holy." --------- Pure, unadulterated nonsense. There are no two "reverends": a catholic reverend with "the" and a protestant reverend without "the." "Reverend" is an adjective in any denomination (always means the same "deserving reverence") and requires "the" in "the Reverend John Smith," "the Reverend Mr. Smith," "the Reverend Dr. Smith," but never "the Reverend Smith." "Reverend Smith" or "Reverend John Smith" is unlettered and therefore unacceptable. "The" gives the meaning to "the Reverend John Smith" because that's the way the article "the" works. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: wj Re: the Reverend... IP: *.nyc.rr.com 12.09.04, 04:05 so who's right ? In it's pure unadultered form. I'll accept your verdict in it's pure unadultered form (the). Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: gosc Re: the Reverend... IP: *.va.shawcable.net 12.09.04, 05:55 I think there is a common use of "Father such-and-such" for Catholic priests...though some I know use the term "Brother" when part of certian orders...regardless of clerical state. The problem we're running into right now seems to be about spoken and written titles. The word "Reverend" ( with all its variations) is a written form of address and it's a form of title you will find on an envelope only. ex. Roman Catholic Archbishop title: The Most Reverend - abbreviation The Most Rev. (envelope), verbal address: Your Excellency. In commonwealth countries: also The Most Reverend on the envelope, salutation form is: Your Grace. I haven't found any forms of Reverend usage in verbal address. This is where the confusion probably comes from. Regardless, I really don't care one way or another. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
ampolion Re: the Reverend... 15.09.04, 00:50 "Brother" odnosi się do zkonnika bez święceń kapłańskich i to we wszystkich wspólnotach zakonnych. Księdza nigdy się nie tytułuje "brother". Skrót Rev, jest stosowany w pisanych adresach skierowanych do księży, ale nigdy do księdza, nikt się nie zwraca do niego "Reverend", a tylko do protestanckiego pastora. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
quickly Rev. quickly odpowiada... :))) 15.09.04, 01:15 "Brother" ma sukienke brazowa. "Father" ma kiecke czarna. "Rev." Tak piszesz sie na kopercie do jakiego kolwiek kaplana z byle jakiego kosciola. Jedno jest pewne - zaden z nich sie nie pogniewa, bo to brzmi bardzo ladnie i dostojnie. A w rozmowie z ksiedzem zwracaj sie do niego po prostu "Padre". I po co sobie lamac glowe? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś