did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and GAm?

20.11.02, 14:28
I need some advice how to do that.

thanks
    • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 27.11.02, 07:43
      There is no such thing as General American, so there is nothing to write about.
      RP is a different story.
      • Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 17.06.03, 09:05
        There is such thing as General American.
        And there is a lot to write about...
        • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 18.06.03, 07:49
          Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a):
          > There is such thing as General American.

          Says who?
          • Gość: Proofreader Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.chicago-13rh15rt.il.dial-access.att.net 20.06.03, 04:35
            Says a linguist
            • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 20.06.03, 07:41
              Gość portalu: Proofreader napisał(a):
              > Says a linguist
              • Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 24.06.03, 16:34
                so why does J.C. Wells, a professor of phonetics at the University Collage in
                London use this term?
                This is an official term for a particular accent used in the US.
                Not in the whole country, but just like RP in England, this is the term for
                the official, prestigious accent there.
                It may be misleading, because of the words used: 'general' and 'american'

                • Gość: fazz Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.acn.waw.pl 24.06.03, 17:21
                  Dear Gents before you further your heated debate let me ,just in case you have
                  forgotten ,remind you some fundamental facts.

                  General American is the supposed standard system of American English
                  pronunciation. The idea of a uniform media American accent has declined in
                  popularity since the late 1960s.Like the British Received Pronunciation,
                  General American was never the accent of the entire nation. Rather, it was
                  derived from a generalized Midwestern accent and is spoken particularly by many
                  newscasters-in part because the national broadcasters preferred to hire people
                  who spoke in this way. It is sometimes promoted as preferable to other regional
                  accents: In the U.S., classes promising "accent elimination" generally attempt
                  to teach this accent.General American is a rhotic accent, maintaining the
                  postvocalic /r/ in words like pearl, car, and court. Because this is a
                  generalized accent, certain vowel mergers, including the cot/caught vowel
                  merger between /A/ and /O/, may be found optionally at least in informal and
                  semiformal varieties; however, the most formal varieties tend to be more
                  conservative in preserving phonemic distinctions.Within American English,
                  General American and accents approximating it are contrasted with Southern
                  American English, several Northeastern accents, and other distinct regional
                  accents and social group accents like Ebonics.Standard Midwestern is the accent
                  used by many American network television broadcasters. The Standard Midwestern
                  pronunciation is not thought of as a standard pronunciation, but is used
                  because it is perceived as accentless by most Americans.




                  • Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 25.06.03, 09:35
                    right!
                    but the question was if there is such thing as GA or not.
                    So we unanimously confirm 'yes' and let's finish the discussion.
                  • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 25.06.03, 20:45
                    Gość portalu: fazz napisał(a):
                    > Dear Gents before you further your heated debate let me ,just in case you
                    have
                    > forgotten ,remind you some fundamental facts.

                    These are not fundamental facts but oversimplifications that you can find
                    in many non-specialist publications. I'm sorry but General American is a
                    myth, an oversimplification, a convenient cover term thought up by people
                    who don't know too many details and who think that that's how people speak
                    in the Midwest or how people speak on network TV. In fact there is a lot of
                    variation in the Midwest itself and different parts of the region belong to
                    different dialect areas, as defined by people who actually know a little about
                    these things and who research these things themselves rather than read about
                    them in "Accents of English".

                    Standard Midwestern - another oversimplification. Where did you find this
                    term and who actually uses it? If you claim that this is a specific accent of
                    American English, you should be able to define it by listing its features
                    and establishing the isoglosses. Saying that "some varieties of the
                    accent have the low-back merger and some don't" just won't do--so does it have
                    the merger or not?. It is mergers and distinctions, in addition to chain-
                    shifts, that distinguish accents. Speaking of mergers, they are not involved
                    in style-shifting, so saying that some mergers may be found in informal
                    varieties (meaning that in more formal varieties of the accent distinctions
                    are kept) is just wrong. Many other features--yes, but mergers are not
                    socially evaluated and do not play a role in style-shifting.
                • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 25.06.03, 20:37
                  Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a):
                  > so why does J.C. Wells, a professor of phonetics at the University Collage
                  in
                  > London use this term?
                  Why don't you ask him? He knows a lot about British accents but isn't
                  really up to date with what's going on on the other side of the pond.

                  > This is an official term for a particular accent used in the US.
                  No, it's not. It's a myth and not a reality. People working on American
                  accents don't use this term--as I said, it is used mainly by Europeans. If it
                  is a specific accent, you should be able to define it, that is, list all the
                  features occurring in it and establish the isoglosses. This just can't be
                  done in this case and the term is meaningless.
                  • Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 26.06.03, 13:43
                    I don't agree.
                    There are many accents in the US and GA is just one of them.
                    The accents as many others. If one states that it's spoken in a particular
                    area it doesn't mean that it is the only one spoken there.
                    You won't convince me. I believe people who are authoritaties
                    on linguistics.
                    • Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 26.06.03, 19:51
                      Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a):
                      > I don't agree.
                      I didn't expect you to. Unfortunately this term is used in some introductory
                      textbooks, but you shouldn't believe everything you read about American
                      accents (or any other topic) by people who have never done any actual research
                      in this area - being an expert on linguistics doesn't necessarily make you an
                      expert on American accents.

                      > The accents as many others. If one states that it's spoken in a particular
                      > area it doesn't mean that it is the only one spoken there.
                      Yes, it does. Of course we are talking about people who were born and grew up
                      in the area, and not about in-migrants, though even they will acquire some of
                      the features of the new area, but that's a whole different topic.

                      > You won't convince me. I believe people who are authoritaties
                      > on linguistics.
                      What I've been trying to tell you is that authorities on the topic do not use
                      this term, as it is highly inaccurate, to say the least--you may not believe
                      this, but there are people who spend their lives studying American accents.
                      • Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 27.06.03, 14:07
                        nevermind
                        let's stop the discussion
                        it leads nowhere
    • Gość: Mr JULEK Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.softel.elblag.pl 26.06.03, 21:03
      I studied English with a person who wrote her B.A. on this topic. She got 5 for
      her B.A. so if you wish to contact this person and exchange some of the views,
      opinions etc, let me know: marcinwalus@wp.pl, then I'll do my utmost to contact
      her and you'll be able to talk about this. Best regards.
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