ama3 20.11.02, 14:28 I need some advice how to do that. thanks Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś czytaj wygodnie posty
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 27.11.02, 07:43 There is no such thing as General American, so there is nothing to write about. RP is a different story. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 17.06.03, 09:05 There is such thing as General American. And there is a lot to write about... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 18.06.03, 07:49 Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a): > There is such thing as General American. Says who? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Proofreader Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.chicago-13rh15rt.il.dial-access.att.net 20.06.03, 04:35 Says a linguist Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.ipt.aol.com 20.06.03, 07:41 Gość portalu: Proofreader napisał(a): > Says a linguist Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 24.06.03, 16:34 so why does J.C. Wells, a professor of phonetics at the University Collage in London use this term? This is an official term for a particular accent used in the US. Not in the whole country, but just like RP in England, this is the term for the official, prestigious accent there. It may be misleading, because of the words used: 'general' and 'american' Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: fazz Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.acn.waw.pl 24.06.03, 17:21 Dear Gents before you further your heated debate let me ,just in case you have forgotten ,remind you some fundamental facts. General American is the supposed standard system of American English pronunciation. The idea of a uniform media American accent has declined in popularity since the late 1960s.Like the British Received Pronunciation, General American was never the accent of the entire nation. Rather, it was derived from a generalized Midwestern accent and is spoken particularly by many newscasters-in part because the national broadcasters preferred to hire people who spoke in this way. It is sometimes promoted as preferable to other regional accents: In the U.S., classes promising "accent elimination" generally attempt to teach this accent.General American is a rhotic accent, maintaining the postvocalic /r/ in words like pearl, car, and court. Because this is a generalized accent, certain vowel mergers, including the cot/caught vowel merger between /A/ and /O/, may be found optionally at least in informal and semiformal varieties; however, the most formal varieties tend to be more conservative in preserving phonemic distinctions.Within American English, General American and accents approximating it are contrasted with Southern American English, several Northeastern accents, and other distinct regional accents and social group accents like Ebonics.Standard Midwestern is the accent used by many American network television broadcasters. The Standard Midwestern pronunciation is not thought of as a standard pronunciation, but is used because it is perceived as accentless by most Americans. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 25.06.03, 09:35 right! but the question was if there is such thing as GA or not. So we unanimously confirm 'yes' and let's finish the discussion. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 25.06.03, 20:45 Gość portalu: fazz napisał(a): > Dear Gents before you further your heated debate let me ,just in case you have > forgotten ,remind you some fundamental facts. These are not fundamental facts but oversimplifications that you can find in many non-specialist publications. I'm sorry but General American is a myth, an oversimplification, a convenient cover term thought up by people who don't know too many details and who think that that's how people speak in the Midwest or how people speak on network TV. In fact there is a lot of variation in the Midwest itself and different parts of the region belong to different dialect areas, as defined by people who actually know a little about these things and who research these things themselves rather than read about them in "Accents of English". Standard Midwestern - another oversimplification. Where did you find this term and who actually uses it? If you claim that this is a specific accent of American English, you should be able to define it by listing its features and establishing the isoglosses. Saying that "some varieties of the accent have the low-back merger and some don't" just won't do--so does it have the merger or not?. It is mergers and distinctions, in addition to chain- shifts, that distinguish accents. Speaking of mergers, they are not involved in style-shifting, so saying that some mergers may be found in informal varieties (meaning that in more formal varieties of the accent distinctions are kept) is just wrong. Many other features--yes, but mergers are not socially evaluated and do not play a role in style-shifting. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 25.06.03, 20:37 Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a): > so why does J.C. Wells, a professor of phonetics at the University Collage in > London use this term? Why don't you ask him? He knows a lot about British accents but isn't really up to date with what's going on on the other side of the pond. > This is an official term for a particular accent used in the US. No, it's not. It's a myth and not a reality. People working on American accents don't use this term--as I said, it is used mainly by Europeans. If it is a specific accent, you should be able to define it, that is, list all the features occurring in it and establish the isoglosses. This just can't be done in this case and the term is meaningless. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 26.06.03, 13:43 I don't agree. There are many accents in the US and GA is just one of them. The accents as many others. If one states that it's spoken in a particular area it doesn't mean that it is the only one spoken there. You won't convince me. I believe people who are authoritaties on linguistics. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: guest Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.SAS.UPENN.EDU 26.06.03, 19:51 Gość portalu: g2 napisał(a): > I don't agree. I didn't expect you to. Unfortunately this term is used in some introductory textbooks, but you shouldn't believe everything you read about American accents (or any other topic) by people who have never done any actual research in this area - being an expert on linguistics doesn't necessarily make you an expert on American accents. > The accents as many others. If one states that it's spoken in a particular > area it doesn't mean that it is the only one spoken there. Yes, it does. Of course we are talking about people who were born and grew up in the area, and not about in-migrants, though even they will acquire some of the features of the new area, but that's a whole different topic. > You won't convince me. I believe people who are authoritaties > on linguistics. What I've been trying to tell you is that authorities on the topic do not use this term, as it is highly inaccurate, to say the least--you may not believe this, but there are people who spend their lives studying American accents. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: g2 Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: 81.210.22.* 27.06.03, 14:07 nevermind let's stop the discussion it leads nowhere Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Mr JULEK Re: did anyone write a thesis concerning RP and G IP: *.softel.elblag.pl 26.06.03, 21:03 I studied English with a person who wrote her B.A. on this topic. She got 5 for her B.A. so if you wish to contact this person and exchange some of the views, opinions etc, let me know: marcinwalus@wp.pl, then I'll do my utmost to contact her and you'll be able to talk about this. Best regards. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś