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...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independence'

IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 11:51
... said the CIA world factbox! Yes, it did.

travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,7445,843750,OO.html

well, what do you say to that, eh, Poleyanks?
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                • Gość: Bert Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ IP: *.214.112.14.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 21.11.02, 21:50
                  How am I supposed to know? Neither one reports to me.
                  Besides, you expect me to leak national secrets?
                  Technically, operations outside the US borders are CIA's
                  responsibility. FBI is expected to snoop on the
                  citizenry. Recently FBI established some "outpost" all
                  over the planet. Is that legal? No. Did anybody object to
                  that? No. Either way, does it really matter who kicks
                  your butt as long as your butt gets kicked?
                  On top of that the loopy Congress has just voted yeah on
                  the Homeland Security Office. Will the new monstrosity
                  venture to foreign lands? I can bet my belly button it's
                  just a question of time. The fix is in.

                  • Gość: chickenShorts< Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 21.11.02, 22:10
                    Gość portalu: Bert napisał(a):

                    > How am I supposed to know? Neither one reports to me.<

                    But maybe you know somebody who knows somebody who knows...? OK, so you don't.

                    > Besides, you expect me to leak national secrets?<

                    Aaa... besides, eh? Psst, you could be a Wallenrod for our Workers Paradise
                    sause... Honorary Life Citizenship!

                    > Technically, operations outside the US borders are CIA's
                    > responsibility. FBI is expected to snoop on the
                    > citizenry. Recently FBI established some "outpost" all
                    > over the planet. Is that legal? No. Did anybody object to
                    > that? No. Either way, does it really matter who kicks
                    > your butt as long as your butt gets kicked?<

                    It does matter in Karachi! At least that's what our man in Karachi said...


                    > On top of that the loopy Congress has just voted yeah on
                    > the Homeland Security Office. Will the new monstrosity
                    > venture to foreign lands? I can bet my belly button it's
                    > just a question of time. The fix is in.<

                    All the more reason to consider my earlier suggestion suggestion.

                    Well, I'm disappinted with your lack of cooperation.
                    I suggest you reconsider... So long.
                    • namonik Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ 21.11.02, 23:02
                      I see you are having fun, but still legally blind is leading the blind.
                      FBI and CIA are two separate agencies. One would have to go back to 1973
                      to understand why both were rendered impotent. The domain of CIA is gathering
                      intelligence as FBI primarily is responsible for crime investigation and
                      counter-intelligence. It's not illegal for FBI to establish foreign offices.
                      Bert is wrong.

                      I think Americans did very well on National Geographic test.
                      Why? Well, geography is not being taught in american schools.
                      Despite that 11 % can find their own country on the map of the world.
                      Amazing.
                        • namonik Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ 22.11.02, 01:28
                          I can't fullfill your request simply because I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
                          I can give you a few pointers so you'll be able to familiarize yourself with
                          the issue in question. I have no doubts to the legality of FBI operations
                          in foreign countries. Has it been challanged?

                          Can FBI agents operate overseas?
                          Under certain circumstances. FBI agents are assigned as Legal Attaches (LEGATS)
                          to United States Embassies overseas. While the entire Embassy operation is
                          under the control and guidence of the US State Department's Foreign Service
                          Office, FBI LEGATS often work in close conjunction with the host country's
                          domestic law enforcement agencies at the national as well as provincial and
                          local levels. In some, very limited situations, FBI agents have arrest powers
                          overseas, usually only in drug, espionage and terrorism cases, and then usually
                          only with the agreement of the host country.

                          www.sonic.net/~drambo/fbifaq.htm
                          www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/legat.htm#i
                      • Gość: chickenShorts Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 22.11.02, 00:05
                        namonik napisał:
                        > I see you are having fun, but still legally blind is leading the blind.
                        > FBI and CIA are two separate agencies. One would have to go back to 1973
                        > to understand why both were rendered impotent. The domain of CIA is gathering
                        > intelligence as FBI primarily is responsible for crime investigation and
                        > counter-intelligence. It's not illegal for FBI to establish foreign offices.
                        > Bert is wrong.<

                        I think he is purposely misleading...

                        > I think Americans did very well on National Geographic test.
                        > Why? Well, geography is not being taught in american schools.
                        > Despite that 11 % can find their own country on the map of the world.
                        > Amazing.<

                        Well, maybe... But when they'll go policing the world with that knowledge
                        backed by CIA's fucksbox 'facts'... It's not funny.
                        • namonik Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ 22.11.02, 01:38
                          One blunder does not disqualify the publication.
                          As of policing function, well, there is nobody else willing and capable to do
                          the dirty work. Success has many fathers as defeat is an orphan.
                          Do you think the impotent French can do the job? They are good talking but not
                          walking. Someone called USA a Fire Department. I like that.

                          www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
                          • Gość: Bert Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ IP: *.214.69.40.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net 22.11.02, 02:17
                            namonik napisał:

                            > One blunder does not disqualify the publication.
                            > As of policing function, well, there is nobody else
                            willing and capable to do
                            > the dirty work. Success has many fathers as defeat is
                            an orphan.
                            > Do you think the impotent French can do the job? They
                            are good talking but not
                            > walking.

                            What job? What success?
                            50 years of it?

                            Someone called USA a Fire Department. I like that.

                            Put out any fire you like in your own backyard. Look at
                            the map, for goodness sake.
                            I forget, you don't care about geography.


                            • namonik Re: ...1801 marked the date of the UK's 'independ 22.11.02, 04:16
                              Don't be naive. Politics are global and our backyard is in South Korea as well
                              as in Mexico.
                              France is in my opinion the whore of Europe. If USA is successful in
                              prosecuting the war then France will join and claim the loot. However if the
                              war becomes something like Vietnam then France will be the first to claim the
                              credit for not being a part of it.
                              The other side of the problem is that USA cannot give up now without loosing
                              the remains of its credibility. One way or another Mr. Hussein is a man of the
                              past. The best thing that could happen would be his departure from power.
                              But this is not very likely to happen.

                              One more thing. In Bosnia that was US military and american will bringing the
                              conflict to an end. As for France, they prove themselves unable to act.
                              Exactly the way the acted in Ruanda. As witnesses to genocide.
                              I know they can talk the talk but they have no idea how to walk the walk.
                              That be it, for now.
                            • art-ek Re: Back to geopgraphy quiz 22.11.02, 03:53
                              if you folks don't mind.
                              I found that little morsel in todays paper in the OPINIONS section.

                              [there is no doubt we will go to war in IRAN in a year or less. Our attack on
                              IRAN will have nothing to do with Sadam's alleged weapons of mass destruction
                              but will relate to big business' desire to take their oil fields......
                              Our power as a nation is diminished without oil and we will not allow much
                              time to elapse before we move against IRAN, which we have no fondness for in
                              any event...]

                              Case closed!
                                    • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 22.11.02, 20:56

                                      kinoman, have you seen 'Bowling for Columbine'? Is it worth seeing?

                                      OK, possibly up to 700 000 murdered in Rwanda in '94 while France turned her
                                      back or quietly supported the Hutu government - it is sickening. But I'll tell
                                      you more! Did you know that the French oil group Total-Fina-Elf signed a deal
                                      worth US$ 3,2 billion with Saddam AFTER 9/11? That's really disgusting, in'it?
                                      Why don't you start a thread on a 'whore of Europe'? (Must be Perle's speech
                                      on a lack of 'moral fibre' that inspired that little pearl, eh?)
                                      You can add UK to your 'Europ's rotten' list, as well. I am too lazy to write
                                      any material on that but I'll give you a clue:
                                      news.bbc.co.uk/l/hi/world/europe/2481371.stm

                                      You see...? No agenda. How about you?

                                      "Don't be naive. Politics are global and our backyard is in S.Korea as well as
                                      in Mexico." Afganistan, Horn of Africa... and indeed many more soon. And all
                                      in order to keep this garden free of weeds, right?
                                      (BTW, do you get a hard on when here Tire Brigade wailing? If that's not your
                                      problem, why do you 'start' so many fires in the first place?)
                                      • namonik Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... 22.11.02, 23:50
                                        What can I say? Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
                                        are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one. Some kind of a neighborhood
                                        moron.
                                        I wonder why?
                                        I think I have a chance to become a smart one like you simply by agreeing with
                                        your views. Am I wrong? I don’t think so.
                                        Before I leave this topic I’d like to make a prediction.
                                        The war with Iraq is imminent.
                                        Even without the UN resolution authorizing the war, all NATO allies including
                                        France will be on board. The reason for it is very simple. One cannot be a
                                        part of a post war reconstruction without participating in a military
                                        operation. Soon you’ll see change of hearts on part of all European leaders.
                                        After all Mr. Bush is a skillful player. He is running circles around the
                                        democrats. He has got 15 to nothing vote in the UN Security Council. And if
                                        you don’t remember, he has withdrawn from ABM Treaty without Russians
                                        objecting it.

                                        After the war you will see dramatic changes in Iran and demise of Hezbollah
                                        and Islamic Jihad. Mr. Arafat will leave the political scene paving the road
                                        to an independent Palestinian state. And Messrs. Chirac and Schroeder will
                                        attend a dinner party with Messrs. Bush and Blair. At the same table.
                                        Everything will be hunky-dory again.

                                        I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what.
                                        Ever heard of Political Correctness?
                                        • Gość: erwas Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: 12.96.204.* 23.11.02, 03:07
                                          namonik napisał:

                                          > What can I say?

                                          namonik, namonik, if you have nothing nice to say, why say anything at all...

                                          > Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
                                          > are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one. Some kind of a neighborhood
                                          > moron.

                                          startling?

                                          > I wonder why?

                                          oh, I'm sorry namonik. don't take it so badly. this forum is not the World, it
                                          is not Life; it's just some dreary little nook in cyberspace.

                                          > I think I have a chance to become a smart one like you simply by agreeing
                                          > with your views. Am I wrong?

                                          that's an interesting question. let me sleep on it and I'll get back to you.

                                          > I don’t think so.

                                          I beg your pardon?

                                          > Before I leave this topic I’d like to make a prediction.

                                          no, no that's OK namonik, it's not necessary, you really don't have to...

                                          > The war with Iraq is imminent.

                                          oh

                                          > Even without the UN resolution authorizing the war, all NATO allies including
                                          > France will be on board.

                                          aha

                                          The reason for it is very simple. One cannot be a
                                          > part of a post war reconstruction without participating in a military
                                          > operation.

                                          true, how true

                                          > Soon you’ll see change of hearts on part of all European leade
                                          > rs.

                                          yes...yes


                                          > After all Mr. Bush is a skillful player.

                                          mmmm

                                          He is running circles around the
                                          > democrats. He has got 15 to nothing vote in the UN Security Council. And if
                                          > you don’t remember, he has withdrawn from ABM Treaty without Russians
                                          > objecting it.

                                          indeed

                                          > After the war you will see dramatic changes in Iran and demise of Hezbollah
                                          > and Islamic Jihad.

                                          yes, well they're not very nice, are they?

                                          > Mr. Arafat will leave the political scene paving the road
                                          > to an independent Palestinian state.

                                          namonik! man! you have a vision, man! this your idea?

                                          And Messrs. Chirac and Schroeder will
                                          > attend a dinner party with Messrs. Bush and Blair. At the same table.
                                          > Everything will be hunky-dory again.

                                          yes! yes!


                                          > I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what.

                                          namonik! what's the matter? you were doing so well! you the forum roaring-boy,
                                          namonik. you are.

                                          > Ever heard of Political Correctness?

                                          em, yes, yes, I have. namonik, this is too serious to just back away from. try
                                          to concentrate on the subject. let me say this, for the record if you like: in
                                          my eyes you are not a moron. I think everyone agrees with me. in fact le's have
                                          a show of posts. everyone who agrees with me, please post below.

                                          erwas

                                          • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 23.11.02, 14:10
                                            Hi, picturegoer!
                                            > namonik napisał:
                                            > Reading your posts I came to a startling conclusion that you
                                            > are the smart ones as I must be the stupid one.<

                                            You don't have to be! The way I see the difference between us, put simply,
                                            is that I try to jazz up the 'ole, dull 'decency' thing while you struggle to
                                            tag 'decent' labels on where they don't stick. You could be more successful if
                                            you simply dropped 'the right thing to do' preaching tone and stated crudely:
                                            Might is a winner, at least in a short time scale, and that's that!

                                            > I will remain a moron in your eyes no matter what<

                                            Bollocks! Just say: 'Bush is a moron' and you are a pal, man. Because he
                                            is, a top aide to the Canadian prime minister said so. But the real problem is
                                            that the moron has access to innumerable weapons of mass destruction, not that
                                            he is a moron.
                                            Namonik, you seem to belong to the group of students of American history,
                                            who believe that the US of A was 'born' at 8.00 AM on Dec. 7 1941! I can see
                                            their point. Then, your army was ranked 17 or 16 in the world. You learned
                                            your 'lesson' and today you are a hyper-power. The fact remains that it is a
                                            wrong date for the birth of your nation, conclusions are wrong and in fact the
                                            lesson was not one of history but psychology. The 'trauma' stuck. You should
                                            try a shrink. Read the 'funding fathers'...
                                            I see it like this: democracy is seen as the pinnacle of pollitical systems,
                                            capitalism - as the only workable economic system... but are they? Of course,
                                            they are not! They are just phases on a very long journey to... perfection...
                                            At present, they constitute the status quo which suits those with means, a
                                            minority. There are other things that are not given a chance even. But try to
                                            tell this in public, they'll laugh at you. That's why I am saying it here. OK,
                                            I'm getting carried away.
                                            Anyway, if you are in the business of making this world a better place, as
                                            you seem to insist, I suggest you start seriously adrressing the prime causes
                                            of problems, like Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By 'seriously' I don't mean
                                            calling Arafat a Mr, because he is a scum and everybody knows it,but by doing
                                            it now and not after you have all the land locked oil reserves.
                                            But, if we agreed what would we argue about? So, my friend, from Groucho
                                            Marx's perspective I see you as a... err... a member! Of the Freepers club!
                                            But I know you are ambitious, you want not only to appear but be 'smart'
                                            whatever that means. Well, listen what others say and doubt. Entertain ides but
                                            don't identify yourself with them. Be 'lamp unto yourself'. It's all in the
                                            mind. Somebody said that if you are able to formulate a question, you usually
                                            have the answer. In the meantime listen to BBC Radio Four, it's educating. And
                                            entertaining. Am I a patronizing twat? You damn right.


                                              • Gość: wacko jacko Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: *.nyc.rr.com 23.11.02, 17:00
                                                Erwas wrote:
                                                >..( ) we have ourselves another manifestation of the spirit of Liga
                                                >Amerykanskich Rodzin, Self-defence and >Radio Mary.
                                                That’s very interesting assumption if not an accusation. May I ask how did you
                                                arrive to that conclusion?

                                                BTW, it is defense not defence. Defencing - taking down the fence. Defending -
                                                not letting the fence to be taken down.


                                                I do agree with namonik’s opinion of president Bush. I think he is a skillful
                                                player. First he has taken democratic election issues of the table. And on
                                                November the 5th he has delivered a knock out punch.
                                                For the first time in history a republican president in midterm elections has
                                                increased the number of congressional seats. He controls the agenda. Maybe he
                                                is not such a moron as the aide to the aide to a Canadian prime minister
                                                thinks. Surely Messrs. Daschle and Gephardt may reevaluate their opinions.

                                                I’m going to save namonik’s predictions and if he is right I will post it again
                                                (copyrights observed)

                                                You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
                                                society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
                                                UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. Why would anyone not sharing you opinions expose
                                                himself to your ridiculing comments? Beats me.

                                                I’ve been exposed.
                                                • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 23.11.02, 18:32
                                                  Wacko, how are you? Are you comfortable in that split (of consciousness)?

                                                  >Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał:
                                                  > You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
                                                  > society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
                                                  > UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc.<

                                                  Are you now taking oration lessons from Fallwel? Where and when did I address
                                                  YOU with any of the above adj.? Come on!

                                                  > I’ve been exposed.<

                                                  No, you exposed yourself! And that's an offenCe.
                                                  You spelling Nazi! Now, ' ... sue me, shoot the bullet thru me'...
                                                • Gość: erwas Re: Back to namonik's geopgraphy ... IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 07:27
                                                  Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał:

                                                  > Erwas wrote:
                                                  > >..( ) we have ourselves another manifestation of the spirit of Liga
                                                  > >Amerykanskich Rodzin, Self-defence and >Radio Mary.

                                                  > That’s very interesting assumption if not an accusation. May I ask how
                                                  > did you arrive to that conclusion?

                                                  same whiff.

                                                  > BTW, it is defense not defence. Defencing - taking down the fence. Defending -
                                                  > not letting the fence to be taken down.

                                                  the Oxford Dictionary of Current English likes defence better than defense.

                                                  > You know what? The hell with it. You guys should form a mutual adoration
                                                  > society and be deaf to opposing views as opposing in your minds means STUPID,
                                                  > UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. Why would anyone not sharing you opinions
                                                  > expose himself to your ridiculing comments? Beats me.

                                                  so, you are clearly upset over this. since we're on-line, both veiled and
                                                  exposed, it's very tempting to lol-over and fan the flames. forums are such
                                                  jolly little coliseums.

                                                  listen to the wise chicken. the chicken says you must not identify with your
                                                  political views. look inside and find your Self. ask: "who am I". if a high
                                                  pitched, ever rising chorus answers: "a Republican!", means you're still on the
                                                  wrong track. you must let go.

                                                  next time we argue an issue I would like to know that you are a happy
                                                  gladiator, attending the arena voluntarily and be not mortally or even in the
                                                  least bit wounded by the wave upon wave of savage blows being rained down on
                                                  your STUPID, UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, EVIL etc. views.

                                                  erwas
                                            • namonik to chick-in-shorts 24.11.02, 03:36
                                              www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id=771B693D-5FFC-41A8-B2AD-8711BA3A40B8

                                              And now they are looking for that aide to put him on a plane back and make him
                                              a former aide. And Mr. Prime Minister is all red faced appologizing.
                                              Another case of total stupidity. By smart people. So who is running those
                                              circles around who? Who is a moron?

                                              Mr. Schroeder used Bush to get reelected. He let his finance minister out of
                                              reservation. What about the price tag?
                                              The same mistake was made by canadians after they knew it indeed was a mistake.
                                              How smart is that, I ask.
                                              Even if they think that Bush is a moron, the smart thing to do is to keep it to
                                              themselves.

                                              Anabashed. Greetingzzzzz.

                                              • darby-lockhorn Re: to chick-in-shorts and Namonik 24.11.02, 04:56
                                                In this old profession of politics (second only to prostitution) there is a
                                                lot of tap dancing involved and as we all can see some of the players have to
                                                learn the Texas two-step in real heist. Who is in? Who is out? Who decides?
                                                But of course, the 'Alfa male' with the biggest stick, cerebral powers aside.


                                              • Gość: chickenShorts Re: to chick-in-shorts IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 07:29
                                                Good morning, kinoman. You've never answered my question about that film? Any
                                                particular reason?

                                                namonik napisał:

                                                > And now they are looking for that aide to put him on a plane back and make
                                                him a former aide. And Mr. Prime Minister is all red faced appologizing.<

                                                Indeed. Surprising? Certainly not. Might is a winner...

                                                >Another case of total stupidity.<

                                                As a career move? Maybe. Do not forget the time scale. Vaclav Havel spent
                                                many years in prison...

                                                >By smart people. So who is running those
                                                circles around who? Who is a moron?<

                                                Bush. For me 'moron' is synonymous with lack of inteligence(in its pozitive
                                                connotations), wisdom, vision... But not cleverness. Clever people can and
                                                usually are manipulative and ambitious, they go to the top very often, often in
                                                politics; once at the top, they are a big problem for the rest of us.


                                                > Mr. Schroeder used Bush to get reelected.<

                                                Clever!!! Just shows, doesn't it?

                                                >He let his finance minister out of
                                                > reservation. What about the price tag?
                                                > The same mistake was made by canadians after they knew it indeed was a
                                                mistake.
                                                >
                                                > How smart is that, I ask.
                                                > Even if they think that Bush is a moron, the smart thing to do is to keep it
                                                to themselves.<

                                                I really hoped you'd be less boring. I'd rather discuss the wider
                                                implications of the situation than go nit-picky about what a more powerful and
                                                stupid can do to a less powerful...stupid or inteligent...

                                                > Anabashed. Greetingzzzzz.

                                                That's a pity but not a big surprise. You seem to have no problem agreeing
                                                with your other half.

                                                Regards.



                                                  • namonik Re: back to the topic 24.11.02, 17:06
                                                    I do not remember being asked that question. No, I haven't seen it.
                                                    Michael Moore is known to me from his earlier productions and personally. We've
                                                    met once. I doubt he remembers me. I remember him well.

                                                    Moore operates on the left side of the spectrum and obviously he has the agenda.
                                                    I am on the right side so I have chosen not to enrich him. I'll wait to see it
                                                    on HBO.

                                                    In all american movies and TV series if president is a good guy, he is a
                                                    democrat facing devilish republican. If he is a bad guy, he certainly is a
                                                    republican trying to stop expansion of goodness.

                                                    Julia Roberts said that she found the word 'republican' in the dictionary
                                                    between 'reptile' and 'repugnant'. Nice.
                                                  • Gość: chickenShorts Re: back to the topic IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 18:35
                                                    namonik napisał:

                                                    > I do not remember being asked that question.<

                                                    You got me worried over ME for a sec. and I rushed to check my posts to see if
                                                    I really asked you, the 'cinema lover', or that other whacky actor? But now I
                                                    am worried about you...
                                                    Post# 22-11-2002 20.56 begins with that question.
                                                    Tell that 'other' guy to stop interfering with you (or vice versa) or try to
                                                    read my posts and RESPOND to their CONTENTS. Then I'll try to be as gentlemanly
                                                    as... a gentleman (will you accept 12y in London as my credentials to that
                                                    effect?)

                                                    > Michael Moore is known to me from his earlier productions and personally.
                                                    We've met once. I doubt he remembers me. I remember him well.
                                                    > Moore operates on the left side of the spectrum and obviously he has the
                                                    agenda<

                                                    Has he? (struggling to keep straight face) Well, well...
                                                    .
                                                    > I am on the right side so I have chosen not to enrich him.<

                                                    Well, I think if you got closer to him, your acting skills might improve,
                                                    however slightly, if nothing else...

                                                    < I'll wait to see it on HBO.<
                                                    >
                                                    > In all american movies and TV series if president is a good guy, he is a
                                                    > democrat facing devilish republican. If he is a bad guy, he certainly is a
                                                    > republican trying to stop expansion of goodness.
                                                    > Julia Roberts said that she found the word 'republican' in the dictionary
                                                    > between 'reptile' and 'repugnant'. Nice.<

                                                    I don't really care about American TELLY nor most of Hollywoocd movies...
                                                    But nice of you to provide this little distraction. In return I'll tell you,
                                                    as you seem to be pretty new to this forum, about one guy here. He is hell bent
                                                    on DISCUSSING ISSUES, you know, rather than squabble over the spelling. He
                                                    tries so hard, he races up his vocabulary, works on his self image and so on ...
                                                    But then, when it comes to discussing, say, flow of Vistula, he breaks into a
                                                    fit of a monolouge on Lake Victoria (they start both with V, granted, but they
                                                    are f**** worlds apart). It is as though all he registered is that we talk
                                                    geography. So he memorises chunks of a book on geography and goes into trance
                                                    with it... But he is a good kid. Cries often that we are a bit harsh on him and
                                                    stuff... But I must be boring you to death... sorry.
                                                    Anyway, welcome to our forum. Say, what films do you like? Which part of NYC
                                                    do you come from.

                                                    See you soon, I hope!
                                                  • namonik Re: back to the topic 24.11.02, 19:45
                                                    Michael Moore is a very likable guy. Maybe he is a little bit too serious
                                                    about himself, sometimes. Even though I diagree with him on every single issue
                                                    I consider him to be a good guy. He could use some soap more often.

                                                    I'm from Bayside. Movies. I like them all. But there is one I can watch over
                                                    and over again. It's "Cotton Club". I don't even know why I have this love
                                                    affair with it.
                                                    I also love Marilyn Monroe. She was one smart chick to depart in her prime.
                                                    Forever young.
                                                  • Gość: chickenShorts Re: intermission!! IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 24.11.02, 20:20
                                                    I asked about that film, because I wondered whether you'd recommend it? I
                                                    haven't seen it yet. Seems to be doing extremly well across Europe. Standing
                                                    ovations in London and etc... which - considering it's a documentary - must be
                                                    telling a lot! I heard someone calling for compulsory screening of it in every
                                                    school in your country. Aren't you at least curious what's this noise is all
                                                    about? So what that the maker of the film is from 'across'? So am I, in a sense.
                                                    But we are talking.

                                                    'Cotton Club', overrated in my opinion. I certainly expected more and better
                                                    music. Hoskins was good and I liked the idea. I am not really a fun of R. Geer,
                                                    especially the 'early' one.
                                                    I like old American Hollywood films. Lubitch, for instance. Have you ever seen
                                                    his 'To Be or Not to Be'. From more 'recent' my favourite is 'The God Father'
                                                    as far as the Hollywood goes.

                                                    Like independent. Cohens and Jarmush(not all!)

                                                    OK. Got to go. Might pop in later. Nice talking to you.
                                                  • Gość: erwas missions IP: 12.96.204.* 24.11.02, 22:08
                                                    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

                                                    > Have tou seen 'Bowling...?

                                                    my child prohibits me from watching movies other than of her choice.

                                                    > BTW, your 'Colisseum' bit was really 'visual' language. Are you in movie
                                                    making?

                                                    you are too kind.
                                                    I am on the fuzzy edges of film making as an almost ex-animator.

                                                    to tell you the truth, I am much to busy doing whatever it is that I do, to
                                                    make any kind of a living. I don't know what the figures are exactly, but our
                                                    local area unemployment rate would make low ranking post-PGR's in Polesie look
                                                    like boom towns. I do however have a fake part-time government job, a
                                                    coordinator they say I am. if I'm not careful (which I always am) I get to go
                                                    to a lot of meetings, conventions and even training sessions. great for T-
                                                    shirts. everywhere I go I get T-shirts.
                                                    listen to this: at conventions you can even get like backpacks and things, free.
                                                    and if you hit the Internatonal Native circuit man, youre sailin'. Hawaii, New
                                                    Zealand, Australia, you know, all those places.

                                                    trouble is I'm a white guy. they all blend in, resplendent in their savage
                                                    costume extranaganzas, while I stick out in my Wal-Mart Wranglers and newly
                                                    acquired T-shirt.

                                                    perhaps I should start looking for another job.
                                                    please let me know if you hear of anything. it has to be part-time and not
                                                    overly specific in its description.

                                                    erwas

                                                  • Gość: erwas Re: missions IP: 12.96.204.* 25.11.02, 04:45
                                                    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:

                                                    > Fresh air inspector?... Very popular in Paris. I can ask...
                                                    > Drop me a line, if you are interested.

                                                    back in the 1920's General Zajac and his staff are sharing a compartament on a
                                                    train as it rattles through the Tundra on its way out of Warsaw. suddenly the
                                                    general screams at a young officer who is stuggling to open a window.
                                                    "Ja myslalem...moze...troche swiezego powietrza?..." stammered the poor lad.
                                                    "Tam gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza!" roared the general.

                                                    that kept them giggling in the good old Sztab Generalny till 1939.

                                                    meanwhile, chickenShorts, you have to keep looking. that sniffing job sounds
                                                    OK, but just a little too physical for me.
                                                    bear in mind that I have high expectations, frequent migranes, zero motivation,
                                                    but like to receive generous compensation for what little I do.

                                                    erwas
                                                  • Gość: chickenShorts Re:ad - missions IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 25.11.02, 14:08
                                                    Gość portalu: erwas napisał:
                                                    > back in the 1920's General Zajac and his staff are sharing a compartament on
                                                    a train as it rattles through the Tundra on its way out of Warsaw.<

                                                    Gee, weren't we zalesieni back then?

                                                    > suddenly the general screams at a young officer who is stuggling to open a
                                                    window.
                                                    > "Ja myslalem...moze...troche swiezego powietrza?..." stammered the poor lad.
                                                    > "Tam gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza!" roared the general.
                                                    >
                                                    > that kept them giggling in the good old Sztab Generalny till 1939.

                                                    But that's your fault. Never, never am I sure whether you are serious or...?
                                                    Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
                                                    can I do?

                                                    > meanwhile, chickenShorts, you have to keep looking. that sniffing job sounds
                                                    > OK, but just a little too physical for me.
                                                    > bear in mind that I have high expectations, frequent migranes, zero
                                                    motivation,<

                                                    Ideal candidate!Perfect qualifications!

                                                    > but like to receive generous compensation for what little I do.<

                                                    Ah, that's where the snag lies. Plus, you want part-time... Sorry!
                                                    (Have you ever thought of publishing your posts? Just a thought...)

                                                    About three years ago, I threw in the French towel and went to London.
                                                    Desperate, I took the first job I found in a Job Centre. 'General Care
                                                    Assistant' in the old folks' home. More precisely, it was a hospice for old
                                                    ladies, run by Sisters of St Mary's Convent (C.of E.) Part-time. I did
                                                    everything:
                                                    from cleaning to careing to helping in the kitchen... It was rather what is
                                                    called 'menial'. I hated it! I was in a state of denial. My pride, high
                                                    expectations-frame of mind suffered immensely on top of the general misery,
                                                    following that French rupture... I was suicidal... But then I 'discovered'
                                                    something new, a buddhist philosophy, buddhist approach to dealing with
                                                    pain...meditation... and so on. It really changed a lot. Later, I even took
                                                    extra hours in that hospital...
                                                    Have I managed to cheer you up a bit? I like this liittle story: A great
                                                    emperor asked the master goldsmisth, famous for his skill as well as his
                                                    wisdom, to inscribe on a royal signet ring something that would be always true,
                                                    whatever the circumstances... A reminder. When the emperor got the ring back,
                                                    it read only:'it will pass'. I bet, you knew it anyway.
                                                    Ha, ha... Gdzie ja jestem, nie ma swiezego powietrza...
                                                  • Gość: erwas Readmissions IP: 12.96.204.* 26.11.02, 06:33
                                                    Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:
                                                    Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
                                                    > can I do?

                                                    The Good Soldier chickenShorts.

                                                    you will enjoy more General Zajac jokes. actually I am not entirely sure who
                                                    General Zajac was. I do know however, this intimate detail of his life: each
                                                    time the phone rung his hand hesitated and trembled slightly as it hovered
                                                    above the receiver before finally grasping it in a firm, military sort of way.
                                                    mostly it was "General talk", other generals calling, you know, perhaps the odd
                                                    Marszalek, that kind of thing. but most evenings, at least once, the voice at
                                                    the other end merely said (po polsku):
                                                    "General Zajac?"
                                                    "T...tt...tak, tu Zajac."
                                                    "PIF! PAF!

                                                    Zajac really hated this.
                                                    that's what my dad said, anyway.

                                                    you wrote of your tenure at:
                                                    > a hospice for old ladies, run by Sisters of St Mary's Convent (C.of E.) Part-
                                                    time.

                                                    well meanwhile, back here on the Res, I recently found myself in possession of
                                                    premises abandoned by Senior Citizens, the Feeding Trough as it is known in the
                                                    village, since the old folks mainly attended for lunches. I was trying to move
                                                    a kind of youth centre type operation in to the building and so set about
                                                    removing all signs of old-folksiness from the place. the walls were covered in
                                                    posters, many kittens in various situations with captions, majestic native
                                                    warrior types gazing in to the distance, the odd Pope here and there, but
                                                    mostly hard hitting warnings and advice concerning AIDS.
                                                    something I never knew: it turns out Seniors are hard to hold back (from other
                                                    Seniors, it is to be hoped), and are the population with the fastest rising
                                                    incidence of AIDS in this country.
                                                    just thought I'd throw that in.
                                                    after all, under the watchful eyes of the Sisters of St.Mary no such rattling
                                                    of them ol' bones could be tolerated. it takes a firm and steady hand to hold
                                                    back these geriatric sex drives. and I'm sure that the Brides of Christ would
                                                    be especially watchful of same-sex secret caresses.
                                                    right?

                                                    buddhism, hmm? I hope that the Sisters never suspected.

                                                    >Later, I even took extra hours in that hospital...

                                                    for extra pain to transcend?

                                                    erwas
                                                  • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Readmissions IP: *.abo.wanadoo.fr 26.11.02, 17:33
                                                    Gość portalu: erwas napisał:
                                                    > Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał:
                                                    > Ooh, ok, my sense of humour is on a military side. I was conscripted! What
                                                    > > can I do?

                                                    > "General Zajac?"
                                                    > "T...tt...tak, tu Zajac."
                                                    > "PIF! PAF!

                                                    Hiiiilaarious!!! 'On a military SIDE', erwas, not MILITARY!!!

                                                    > well meanwhile, back here on the Res, I recently found myself in possession
                                                    of
                                                    > premises
                                                    > a kind of centre, the walls covered in
                                                    > posters,
                                                    > mostly hard hitting warnings and advice concerning AIDS.
                                                    > something I never knew: it turns out Seniors are hard to hold back (from
                                                    other
                                                    > Seniors, it is to be hoped), and are the population with the fastest rising
                                                    > incidence of AIDS in this country.
                                                    > just thought I'd throw that in.<

                                                    Jerry chicken says: that country of yours is SODOMIA and GOMORIA!!!
                                                    Repent!!! REPENT!!!

                                                    > after all, under the watchful eyes of the Sisters of St.Mary no such rattling
                                                    > of them ol' bones could be tolerated. it takes a firm and steady hand to hold
                                                    > back these geriatric sex drives. and I'm sure that the Brides of Christ would
                                                    > be especially watchful of same-sex secret caresses.
                                                    > right?<

                                                    I'd seen needles, syringes..., though.

                                                    > extra hours in that hospital...
                                                    > for extra pain to transcend?
                                                    > erwas

                                                    No, no, no... By that time I already 'rached the other shore'. All I needed
                                                    was extra $$$
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