Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP!

IP: *.chello.pl 27.05.03, 20:55
Na jednym z forów zagranicznych powiedziałam parę słów na pewien temat. Ktoś
na tym forum jak dowiedział się, że jestem z Polski (nie wiem skąd ten ktoś
jest), zaczął mi coś "sypać" na temat naszego kraju. Ja mu odpowiedziałam
tyle, co umiałam. Potem on sypnął takim angielskim, że połowę z tego nie
rozumiem, a co nagorsze - nie wiem jak odpisać po angielsku, a zależy mi na
tym aby NAS wybronić.
Oto ten list:

Do you know about "Vanza Komittee"? It was the nazi party assembly where they
Decided about the "final solution" for "non arian races". If you read the
protocols of that comittee you will see that the Nazies debated where is the
best place for the death camps and guess what they decided? That poland is
the best place because the POLISH people won't get horrified and will not
protest against the mass killing because the polish people were known for
it's antisemitism and war loving!!!
Another well known fact, is that from all the territories that the german
forces occupied, they kept the smallest force in poland because there as
almost non resistance!!!
Even the pope, John Paul II appologised for the sins of the POLISH people
during ww2!!! Not german, not christian... POLISH!!!!!!
    • Gość: agatka Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.acn.waw.pl 27.05.03, 21:41
      ze jest głupi
      według niego podczas II wojny światowej Niemcy zdecydowali że najwięcej obozów
      zagłady będzie w Polsce, bo u nas był wielki antysemityzm(może i był, ale
      jakoś niektórzy się narażali, żeby ratować Żydów, a poza tym to NIemcy u nas
      robili te obozy zagłady, bo w Polsce było najwięcej Żydów i taniej im
      wychodziły drobne transporty z Grecji, czy Francji niż miliony Żydów z Polski
      wieźć np. do Grecji)
      I jeszcze on uważa, że w Polsce Niemcy zostawili najmniej sił, bo u nas był
      niby najmniejszy opór(może się nie znam na liczbach, ale przez całą wojnę
      działała konspiracja, a jak nie mieli broni to czym mieli walczyć? i we
      wrześniu się bronili ile mogli, a jak się na nas Anglia i Francja wypięła to
      po prostu nie było szans. I mimo wszystko Ci, którzy uciekli z Polski walczyli
      w armiach na zachodzie przeciw Niemcom)
      I jeszcze napisał, że nawet papież przeprosił za Polaków w czasie wojny, ale
      np. papież antysemitą nie jest a przepraszał za niektórych a nie za cały naród

      ogólnie to pisze do Ciebie ktoś, kto chyba wybitnie Polaków nie lubi
      broń nas,powodzenia
    • Gość: bazia Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.szwajcarska.pl 27.05.03, 22:11

      > Do you know about "Vanza Komittee"? It was the nazi
      party assembly where they
      > Decided about the "final solution" for "non arian
      races". If you read the
      > protocols of that comittee you will see that the Nazies
      debated where is the
      > best place for the death camps and guess what they
      decided? That poland is
      > the best place because the POLISH people won't get
      horrified and will not
      > protest against the mass killing because the polish
      people were known for
      > it's antisemitism and war loving!!!
      I am impressed by your choice of impartial sources to
      base your historical knowledge on. It is indeed a well
      known fact that Nazis were the most reliable source of
      opinions and generalisations on other nations.
      > Another well known fact, is that from all the
      territories that the german
      > forces occupied, they kept the smallest force in poland
      because there as
      > almost non resistance!!!
      Consult once again your history teacher in primary
      school. Somehow you missed the basic facts that no
      reasonable person questions. Shall I provide a reading
      list (it may well be a list of non-Polish authors) of
      histories of Poland? Try Norman Davies first.
      > Even the pope, John Paul II appologised for the sins of
      the POLISH people
      > during ww2!!! Not german, not christian... POLISH!!!!!!
      Aren't you misquoting the quotation? And what is it to
      prove? Name one nation that has nothing in its history to
      'apologise' for. Perhaps you belong to one?

      To tak na swiezo. Moze troche za lagodnie, ale nie
      wyglada mi na to ze osobnik ten jest wyjatkowo otwarty na
      swiat i inne niz jego klaustrofobiczny punkt widzenia

    • Gość: banal Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.bsk.vectranet.pl / *.gazeta.pl 27.05.03, 22:37
      >
      > Do you know about "Vanza Komittee"? It was the nazi party assembly where they
      > Decided about the "final solution" for "non arian races". If you read the
      > protocols of that comittee you will see that the Nazies debated where is the
      > best place for the death camps and guess what they decided? That poland is
      > the best place because the POLISH people won't get horrified and will not
      > protest against the mass killing because the polish people were known for
      > it's antisemitism and war loving!!!

      That Poland antisemitic is an archaic stereotype. I don't know where you found
      this Vanza Komittee, if there was one at all, but I can tell you, that basing
      your point of view on this one single fact shapes you as a person with no
      inteligence or common sense, let alone imagination. More than that, before
      starting to decry other nations, maybe you'd be polite enough to tell me where
      you're roots are? Or maybe you're a GERMAN looking for some soothening by
      trying to defame Poland
      • Gość: corrupt_angel Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.chello.pl 27.05.03, 22:45
        WIELKIE, WIELKIE DZIĘKI! :)) Zaraz przepiszę ten tekst i zobaczymy, co on na to
        odpowie. Jakby co, to napiszę.
    • Gość: ma Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.chello.pl 28.05.03, 00:00
      and as far as Polish antisemithism is concerned, I would like to remind you or
      probably inform you about the number of Poles who are at the Yad Vashem list of
      the Rigtheous Among the Nations. There are over 6000 Polish people on the list
      because they risked their lifes to save Judes during the war.
      to bym jeszcze dodała do wątku o antysemityzmie. ktos juz o tym wspomniał
      wczesniej. bąź dzielna i walcz!!! powodzenia
    • Gość: franek Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.3web.net 28.05.03, 01:24
      Corrupt angel, I would tell that person that he is both right and wrong. That
      polish people are STILL anti-Semitic, that's true: you only have to look at
      various different forums in this web-paper to confirm this. On the other hand,
      I don't know of a country during wartime that was not anti-Semitic: United
      States, Canada, Australia, and scores of others refused to take Jews fleeing
      from the Nazis. And, lastly, you have to ask hard questions, questions relating
      to religion, culture, acculturation, taking-and-giving that we imagine takes
      place in a peaceful society. Poles open the door to Jews fleeing persecution in
      many other areas of Europe, too. It just happens that each group believes in
      different cultural/business/religion values, allowing one side to drain all it
      could from the less sophisticated one. But for this, polish stupidity is much
      to blame, and the church, whether you like to believe in this or not. So now
      you understand why your Pope ambiguously apologizes for ‘your’ sins. But I bet
      many Poles still consider the Catholic priests untouchable cows, and feel
      annoyed at a suggestion that it is them who milk them the most and keep that
      poor country so ignorant. (Yes, I do love Polska, consider myself Polish, and
      am not at all Jewish or a member of any other denomination.)
    • Gość: wacko jacko Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.nyc.rr.com 28.05.03, 01:57
      The best thing is not to validate such a gibberish with your answer.
      Just ignore it.

      PS. On the other hand Poles are antisemites. But not more than the French or
      the Germans or the Russians or the Spaniards. Therefore the point made in
      initial post is nothing but broad generalization and shows prejudice.
      • Gość: antisemite Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 28.05.03, 13:18
        Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

        > The best thing is not to validate such a gibberish with your answer.
        > Just ignore it.
        >
        > PS. On the other hand Poles are antisemites. But not more than the French or
        > the Germans or the Russians or the Spaniards. Therefore the point made in
        > initial post is nothing but broad generalization and shows prejudice.


        Lets straighten this up, there is nothing wrong to be an antisemite. Jews are bad people.

        pS broad generalizations, prejudice, discrimination and outward lies are the tools they use daily in their propaganda. And these are Jews who are anti-Polish in the first place.

        Oh! and your post should read: Just ignore the Jew.
    • Gość: blurp Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 28.05.03, 08:03
      Gość portalu: corrupt_angel napisał(a):

      > Na jednym z forów zagranicznych powiedziałam parę słów na pewien temat. Ktoś
      > na tym forum jak dowiedział się, że jestem z Polski (nie wiem skąd ten ktoś
      > jest), zaczął mi coś "sypać" na temat naszego kraju. Ja mu odpowiedziałam
      > tyle, co umiałam. Potem on sypnął takim angielskim, że połowę z tego nie
      > rozumiem, a co nagorsze - nie wiem jak odpisać po angielsku, a zależy mi na
      > tym aby NAS wybronić.

      Please don't defend us you asshole! Just give us the link to this forum.
    • kaye Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! 28.05.03, 13:03
      Zawsze mozna tez wspomniec, ze w Polsce pod okupacją hitlerowską za
      przechowywanie Żyda groziła kara śmierci, w krajach zachodnich (Francja,
      Holandia) - tylko kara pieniężna, a jednak to Polacy są najliczniej
      reprezentowani wśród osób uhonorowanych przez Instytut Yad Vashem.
    • Gość: corrupt_angel Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.chello.pl 28.05.03, 20:11
      Przepisałam w całości post banala oraz dodałam parę wątków z wcześniejszych...
      (te późniejsze posty zobaczyłam dopiero dziś).
      A o to co on odpisał Cristian (tak ma nick):


      You are right, I am a German. But at least took responsobility for our actions
      in ww2. You talked about history books, all of them are full with justify blame
      towards Germany and NOTHING about other nations. You talked about soothening,
      well, that's what Poland and other eastern Europe countries do all the time,
      silecing their conscience when they say "but we were occupied! What could we
      do?? Well, You could do a lot! Other nations like Holland, Denmark, Hungary
      saved and protected many jews suring ww2, while antisematic countries like
      Poland, Ukrain and Lithuania approved rules of antisematism before German
      occupation.
      And that's what dangerous, we teach our children about our black past and
      telling them to take care it will never happen again, while you Poles and other
      nations filling your children with lies! Telling them "it wasn't our fault...
      so you don't need to learn nothing from what happen". That is why Poland and
      other eastern has the highest antisematism rate will Germany is a liberal
      country with no hate for people of different race.
      By the way, the Wannsee (in English writting) committee took place in 1942 at a
      villa owned by SS on the shores of a suburban Berlin lake called Wannsee. You
      can read all about it, just look for "Wannsee" or "final solution" on the
      internet (you will not find it in Polish history books for the reasons I've
      mentioned).
      And, you are right, focusing on the way I'm writing infantyle, it was just a
      mistake. I make you sick??? You make me cry!!!


      Co wy na to? ODPISZCIE PROSZĘ.
      • chickenshorts Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! 28.05.03, 20:42
        You are a dumbo, aren't you?
        Why don't you go to some 'cooking forum'?...

        I'm surprised any posters here feel affinity with your 'self-styled' defence of
        national pride...
        • Gość: awalk Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 29.05.03, 09:24
          chickenshorts napisał:

          > You are a dumbo, aren't you?
          > Why don't you go to some 'cooking forum'?...
          >
          > I'm surprised any posters here feel affinity with your 'self-styled' defence of
          >
          > national pride...

          I am not surprised! It is just another occurence of low self-esteem and inferiority complex on the part of some Polish people caused by many years of isolation - not to mention the current brainwash and the state of our education system.

          A drunk butcher's son is explaining to the chickens in a hen house. 'Yes my father slaughtered a lot of foxes but it is a well known fact that your parents didn't do a thing to defend them. And that's dangerous, I was taught about my abominable past and I was told not to ever hurt a fox again, while you chicks and other flock are telling your children lies! You tell them "It wasn't our fault, so you don't need to learn anyhing from what happened". That is why your hen house and others has the highest anti-foxism rate while I am a liberal guy with no hate for animals of different races. And, you are right chicks, telling me the way I'm speaking is a bit slurred, it was just a mistake. I make you sick??? You make me cry!!!'
          • Gość: awalk Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl 29.05.03, 09:31
            Oops, I should have used "a wolf" instead of "a butcher's" son. Don't you think?
            • Gość: chickenShorts Re: Co mam temu pijanicy odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr 29.05.03, 09:49
              Gość portalu: awalk napisał(a):

              > Oops, I should have used "a wolf" instead of "a butcher's" son. Don't you
              think
              > ?

              Gee, man, I think it was a very good simile! Maybe making him drunk, whether a
              butcher's son or a wolf, wasn't necessary as it further blurred the picture...
      • Gość: banal Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.bsk.vectranet.pl / *.gazeta.pl 28.05.03, 23:07
        Hej, odpisze, ale to jest tylko i wylacznie moj punkt widzenia, ok? I wlacze
        do swojej wypowiedzi fragment napisany przez "ma".



        > You are right, I am a German. But at least took responsobility for our
        actions
        > in ww2. You talked about history books, all of them are full with justify
        blame
        >
        > towards Germany and NOTHING about other nations. You talked about soothening,
        > well, that's what Poland and other eastern Europe countries do all the time,
        > silecing their conscience when they say "but we were occupied! What could we
        > do?? Well, You could do a lot! Other nations like Holland, Denmark, Hungary
        > saved and protected many jews suring ww2, while antisematic countries like
        > Poland, Ukrain and Lithuania approved rules of antisematism before German
        > occupation.

        It's not true that we are trying to silecne our consiousnesses or abandon any
        period of the Polish hisory, let it be more or less favorable. It's true that
        some Poles were, and some sill are, antisemitic.. But then again, it's
        impossible to make generaliztions about whole nations since exceptions will
        always appear. More than that
        • Gość: corrupt_angel Re: Co mam temu wariatowi odpowiedzieć? HEEEELP! IP: *.chello.pl 29.05.03, 01:06
          Hiya, Thanks a lot (esp. to banal) ... I had a lot of thoughts in my mind about
          his words and this time I wrote him mostly by myself but your help was
          necessary, because my english is not good enough to express all my feelings.
          Anyway, to be honest I will tell you Cristian's prospective answer.
          Cheers.
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