tłumaczenie Uk

06.08.07, 09:43
bardzo proszę o przetłumaczenie odwołania W związku z zasiłkiem SSMG.
Próbowałam to zrobić na dwóch tlanslatorach , wyniki są podspodem. nie musi
być tak jak napisałam słowo w słowo, tylko żeby sens został zachowany, można
tez coś dopisać, albo zmienić, jeżeli ktoś wie że będzie lepiej.żamęczam was
tłumaczeniem ale nigdy w życiu nie uczyłam się angielskiego, a jestem tu 4
miesięce, a z rodziną to najlepiej wychodzi się na zdięciu pod warunkiem że
jestem w środku, bo jak po boku to mnie wytną.
Oto tekst.
Powinniśmy otrzymać Sure Start Maternity Grant, ponieważ spełniamy wymogi,
które upoważniają nas do otrzymania tego dodatku. Kryterium odmowne oparte
jest o fakt, że nie mamy wypłaconego Working Tax Credit lub Child Tax Credit.
Natomiast procedura wypłacania Working Tax Credit czy Child Tax Credit
została zablokowana na skutek nieposiadania NI Number przez moją partnerkę .
Opróżnienie związanie z NIN spowodowane zostało, że najpierw musiała urodzić
dziecko a potem dopiero starać się o NIN. Wcześniejsze staranie się o NIN
było bezskuteczne ponieważ moja partnerka nigdy nie pracowała w UK. W naszym
staraniu się o Sure Start Maternity Grand nie ma żadnego niedbalstwa i
formalnie spełniamy wszelkie wymogi aby otrzymać ten zasiłek. Splot różnych
procedur i terminów administracyjnych nie może być dla nas krzywdzący, tym
bardziej że nasza sytuacja finansowa jest trudna.
Bardzo dziękuje za pomyślne rozpatrzenie mojej prośby oraz o jak najszybsze
wypłacenie Sure Start Maternity Grant.

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We should receive Sure Start Maternity Grant, because we realize requirements
which authorize us receptible of this addition. The negative leaning
criterion is for the fact that we have not paid Working Tax Credit or Child
Tax Credit. Instead the procedure of paying Working Tax Credit or Child Tax
Credit became {remained} blocked in consequence of not possessions NOR Number
by {through} my partner The vacation the ligature from Ninas became
{remained} due that first she had had to be delivered of a child and
afterwards only to procure Ninas. The earlier suit about Ninas was
ineffective because my partner never worked in UK. In our suit about Sure
Start Maternity Grand has no negligence and structurally we realize all
requirements to receive this allowance. The entanglement of different
procedures and administrative time-limits cannot be for us wrongful all the
more so that our financial situation is difficult .
It thanks very much too {for} the favourable investigation of my request and
for as most quicker payment Sure Start Maternity Grant.

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We should obtain the Maternity Start Sure Grant, since we are meeting
requirements which are authorizing us to receive this addition. The rejection
criterion is leaning for the fact that we don't have payed Working Tax Credit
or Child Tax Credit . However the procedure of Working Tax Credit paying or
Child Tax Credit were blocked as a result of NI Number not-having by my
partner. Emptying by tying around NIN it was left caused that at first she
had had to give birth to the child and then only to try about NIN. Earlier
trying oneself about NIN it was fruitless since my partner never worked in
UK. In our trying about Sure the Maternity Start of Rip-offs isn't of no
slackness and formally we are meeting all requirements in order to receive
this benefit. The tangle of different procedures and administrative dates
cannot be for us hurting all the more so because our financial situation is
heavy .
Too favourable examining my request is thanking a lot and about as fastest
Sure paying Maternity Start Grand
    • nasza_maggie Forum Tłumaczenia 06.08.07, 15:43
      znajduje się tutaj;
      forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=10100

      Maggie
      • steph13 Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 08.08.07, 16:57
        Ale wstyd! Tlumacz potrzebny aby wyciagnac co sie da od systemu, no
        bo "nalezy sie", tym tzw obywatelom Europy. Wyslij swoje
        tlumaczenie to przynajmniej uciechy urzednikom dostarczysz.
        • usak Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 08.08.07, 18:01
          Nie rozumiem, dlaczego nie powinni "wyciagac od systemu" tego, co
          sie prawnie nalezy. Ojciec dziecka, mimo braku umiejetnosci pisania
          po angielsku pracuje tak samo ciezko lub jeszcze ciezej niz jego
          brytyjscy koledzy. Dlaczego jego dziecko ma miec gorzej niz
          dzieci "native-born"?
        • torpedowiec_na_wodach_uk Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 08.08.07, 19:09
          I fully sympathise with your frustration. Alicjakom flooded most of
          the uk and foreign related forums with this post and remains
          reluctant to take the hint when receives no replies and/or follow
          the advice she is given. She appears to know all about the benefit
          system despite not being able to string one sentence together in
          english. She continues to encourage others to take the advantage of
          the welfare system, whilst not contributing to the development of
          such herself. I am fully supportive of your stance, steph13.

          forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=37418&w=66846931&v=2&s=0
          • usak Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 08.08.07, 21:22
            Well, fluent in English native born minimum wage earners do not
            contribute to the welfare system, either. Nevertheless they do not
            hesitate to apply for every government grant available. I will
            repeat it again in English: I do not understand why in the UK a
            child of Polish born parents should receive an inferior treatmnet to
            his native-born counterpart. In the US such a discrimination would
            be illegal. The welfare benefits are determined entirely on the
            basis of the family income and not by the aplicants nationality,
            race, religion, or fluency in English.
            I would encourage every Pole to take the full advantage of all the
            government benefits related to their employment in th UK, following
            the proper application procedures, of course.
            • torpedowiec_na_wodach_uk Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 09.08.07, 01:44
              Discrimination based on nationality, race, colour or creed is
              illegal in UK as well. However, you may have missed the fact, that
              there is an army of people who have descended on the UK in recent
              times for the purposes of nothing else than our welfare system.
              Whilst we remain to be sympathetic towards the poorest and
              disadvantaged, please try to appreciate, that we would like those,
              who do make use of our welfare to which the indigenous population
              have been contributing for some considerable amount of time and the
              claimants haven't, to show the minimum of effort and to be able to
              apply for such benefits in the lingua franca at the very least.
              • paper_mate Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 09.08.07, 03:33
                usak napisal:

                >>>Nie rozumiem, dlaczego nie powinni "wyciagac od systemu" tego, co
                sie prawnie nalezy. Ojciec dziecka, mimo braku umiejetnosci pisania
                po angielsku pracuje tak samo ciezko lub jeszcze ciezej niz jego
                brytyjscy koledzy.>>>

                Kto powiedzial cokolwiek na temat ojca?
                • usak Never assume!!!???????????????????? 09.08.07, 08:46
                  Zalozylem, ze dziewczyna wie o czym pisze, ze jej chlopak pracuje
                  lub jezeli jest bezrobotnym, to przynajmniej wypracowal sobie prawo
                  do Child Tax Credit i Sure Start Maternity Grant, a jedyna
                  przeszkoda w ich zalatwieniu jest bariera jezykowa. Jezeli jest
                  inaczej: I am sorry.
                  • steph13 Re: Never assume!!!???????????????????? 09.08.07, 11:06
                    Well, alicja by her own admission, has been here for four months
                    only but has managed to aquire some substantial knowledge of the
                    benefits system, even with her negligible level of expertise in the
                    English language.
                    Her 'partnerka'(?) was too busy to get her National Insurance Number
                    sorted as she was preoccupied with giving birth. She's never worked
                    in the UK just popped over to use maternity services, presumably.
                    Now, finding themselves in a 'heavy situation', alicja & co are
                    obviously aware, that a baby comes with a financial package
                    courtesy of the British tax payer and hence this urgent desire to
                    express their entitlements in the language of their naive hosts.
                    Free translation expected from sentimental Polish souls.
                    That's my take on it and I don't like it.
                    • wuenschentroff Re: Never assume!!!???????????????????? 09.08.07, 20:25
                      and I would say the very same to you, steph13 (?)

                      > Well, alicja by her own admission, has been here for four months
                      > only but has managed to aquire some substantial knowledge of the
                      > benefits system,

                      And I would too.

                      > courtesy of the British tax payer

                      Oh, please, beggars can't be choosers. You would like to fill in those huge
                      labor gaps with as little inconvenience as possible. Give me a break. Another
                      prejudiced prick.

              • wuenschentroff Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 09.08.07, 20:18
                > Whilst we remain to be sympathetic towards the poorest and
                > disadvantaged

                doesn't sound to me like you are...


                > our welfare to which the indigenous population
                > have been contributing for some considerable amount of time

                Presently the labor shortage in the UK has been at its lowest and it managed to
                affect thousands of labor sectors. If I am not mistaken that's why you were so
                damn quick to open your boarders. So quit your whining about the sacrificial
                welfare benefits and all the other shit that you worked for so hard. You would
                like to keep the doctors and engineers but hell with a pregnant woman! You are
                disgusting!

                > claimants haven't, to show the minimum of effort and to be able to
                > apply for such benefits in the lingua franca at the very least.

                I am not sure if you are that naive but it takes years to learn a language. So
                if someone posts here, don't be a cold ass about it.
                • torpedowiec_na_wodach_uk Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 09.08.07, 23:41
                  wuenschentroff - if you feel soo deeply for alicja, why don't you
                  give her 500 quid out of your own pocket?

                  Lucky for you Bush did not abolish visas for the Poles, you'd have
                  alicjas of this world wanting to reap some of your efforts. Oh, I
                  forget, in US there is no welfare system to speak of, so I suppose
                  you feel quite safe on both fronts.
                  • wuenschentroff Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 00:40
                    > wuenschentroff - if you feel soo deeply for alicja, why don't you
                    > give her 500 quid out of your own pocket?

                    This is as dumb of an answer as I expected from you.

                    Don't forget that your taxes pay not only for the legitimate claimants but they
                    also protect your own ass in case something were to happen to you and YOUR job.
                    You also conveniently forgot to mention the fact that the UK has a poor record
                    of organized crime which has little or nothing to do with Polish immigrants.
                    Like it or not, most of welfare abuse is organized crime and the money goes
                    straight into the organized gangs. Polish immigration is legal so why don't you
                    put a sock in it and keep your embarrassing comments to yourself. Poland is now
                    LEGALLY in the EU, therefore don't try to make these people look like criminals.
                    Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth!

                    > Lucky for you Bush did not abolish visas for the Poles,

                    Desperate to find out where I am from?
                    • usak Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 02:16
                      A ja wciaz nie rozumiem dlaczego Polak powinien dobrowolnie wyrzec
                      sie przywilejow wynikajacych z jego legalnego pobytu i zatrudnienia
                      w UK. Nie robia tego ani rodowici Brytyjczycy, ani Hindusi, ani
                      Pakistanczycy... ani zadna inna nacja.
                      Jezeli rzad w Londynie uwaza, ze zarabiacie zbyt malo aby utrzymac
                      rodzine przy zyciu i wyciaga do was pomocna dlon, nie odrzucajcie
                      tej pomocy. Zrobcie to dla waszych dzieci, ktorych zoladki nie sa
                      wcale mniejsze niz zoladki brytyjskie.
                    • torpedowiec_na_wodach_uk Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 09:52
                      wuenschentroff napisał:

                      > > wuenschentroff - if you feel soo deeply for alicja, why don't you
                      > > give her 500 quid out of your own pocket?
                      >
                      >>>>> This is as dumb of an answer as I expected from you.<<<<<

                      I don't see anything dumb about my suggestion. You seem to have a
                      deep seated compassion for alicja, so why don't you put your money
                      where your mouth is and do give her some cash. I'll wait with
                      anticipation for your philantrophic gesture. I'm not holding my
                      breath though, people like you are lots of talk little action.

                      >
                      > You also conveniently forgot to mention the fact that the UK has a
                      poor record
                      > of organized crime which has little or nothing to do with Polish
                      immigrants.
                      > Like it or not, most of welfare abuse is organized crime and the
                      money goes
                      > straight into the organized gangs.

                      no one is accusing alicja of attempting to commit a fraud, and
                      although in recent years in UK there has been an increase in gang
                      activity supplying false paperwork, benefit abuse is most commonly
                      committed by individuals. I am delighted to tell you, that the
                      government is handling this very effectively.

                      > Polish immigration is legal so why don't you
                      > put a sock in it and keep your embarrassing comments to yourself.
                      > Poland is now
                      > LEGALLY in the EU, therefore don't try to make these people look
                      like criminals
                      > .

                      Firstly, last time I looked we had freedom of speech. Secondly, I
                      refer you back to my previous post - you are desperately searching
                      for things that aren't there, and clearly can not read what's in
                      black and white.


                      > Desperate to find out where I am from?

                      not really, the way you write, however, is pretty much self-
                      explanatory.

                      By the by - I doubt this is the most appropriate forum for this
                      exchange of our differing views on the subject, I could suggest that
                      we move elsewhere, but frankly I don't like your aggressive and
                      abusive attitude, so I shan't. EOT.

                      • wuenschentroff Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 21:05
                        >I don't see anything dumb about my suggestion.

                        Well, I do. If you have nothing against Alicia then there should be nothing
                        stopping you from shelling out a few quid yourself. The problem with you is
                        that it's easier for you to hide behind your
                        ungrounded fears and prejudicial hatred. You are one phony judgemenetal a... (
                        of, course I meant "apple" and a bad one at that).


                        > people like you are lots of talk little action.

                        Yeah, and people like you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, except
                        that the mouth tends to works a little faster than the brain.

                        >I am delighted to tell you, that the
                        >government is handling this very effectively.

                        Well, and I am delighted to tell you that UK is still far from winning that
                        battle. They are not even close.

                        >Firstly, last time I looked we had freedom of speech.

                        You said it not me.

                        >you are desperately searching for things that aren't there, and >clearly can
                        not read what's in black and white.

                        I see, I guess everyone else is reading your post the wrong way...
                        What you don't see, however, is the fact that your country's welfare system is
                        by default set up for abuse by crooks, least of which are Polish pregnant women.


                        >I could suggest that
                        > we move elsewhere, but frankly I don't like your aggressive and
                        > abusive attitude, so I shan't. EOT.


                        >It won't happen. Frankly, I don't like your intolerance and prejudice.
                        • steph13 Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 21:24
                          Well, as the damsel in distress requested urgent help from her
                          compassionate countrymen, how come the good samaritan among us
                          doesn't just translate her ridiculous letter and let her succeed in
                          claiming what's in his opion so rightfully hers. It's a lost battle
                          anyway while a fresh transport of alicjas descends on these shores
                          on daily basis. Long live EU????
                          • wuenschentroff Re: Forum Tłumaczenia 10.08.07, 22:47
                            You two ran out of arguments in your last posts and are
                            unable to defend your stance by snipping dumb and irrelevant arguments. Stop
                            putting up a straw man to try and hide your obvious loss of face.

                            >Long live EU????

                            You tell me. You are one of them.
                • nasza_maggie wuenschentroff 10.08.07, 14:02
                  Less of the swearing please, otherwise the donkey bench awaits.

                  thx
                  Maggie
                  • paper_mate Re: wuenschentroff 11.08.07, 02:51
                    Wuenschentroff, my “ungrounded fears and prejudicial hatred”
                    notwithstanding, can you explain what right does Alicia have to take
                    possession of my money on account of her girlfriend’s child.

                    • wuenschentroff Re: wuenschentroff 11.08.07, 19:43
                      YOUR money? You should have thought about it before. The Poland thing is just a
                      smokescreen. It's France and Germany that are sure to kick your sorry little
                      behinds real soon. As it turns out, the gravy train just wasn't for you after
                      all. Where the hell were your leaders when you signed up for the whole deal?

                      For now though, make sure you will change your human rights policies regarding
                      pregnant women...I suggest the safest way is to get as many gays and lesbians as
                      possible. The Bishops of Canterbury might not like it, but your social services
                      will.
                    • usak Don't take anything for granted!!!???????????????? 11.08.07, 20:35
                      1. Alicja is the mother of the baby and she is asking for help on
                      this forum.
                      2. The person applying for the grant is her boyfriend - also a
                      biological and legal father of the child.
                      3. The boyfriend has worked in the UK sufficient time to be entitled
                      to receive the government grants.
                      That's how I understood the situation. If I am wrong and the case
                      considers two Polish lesbians: I am sorry again.
                      • steph13 Re: Don't take anything for granted!!!??????????? 11.08.07, 22:08
                        Whether they are lesbians or not is of no importance whatsoever. I
                        find the lack of tolerance on such grounds utterly abhorent.
                        I do however object to Britain being a Mecca for the alicjas of
                        this world, pregnant or otherwise. Entitlement to benefits and
                        support ought to be proportionate to the input by any claimants.
                        That would prevent hordes of the needy from wherever they breed
                        heading for soft-touch Britain. Help those willing to help
                        themselves and arriving in search of Eldorado unprepared, unskilled
                        and for all practical purposes illiterate does not come under this
                        category.

                        As for our leaders selling us out to Brussels - couldn't agree
                        more, but then they are not the leaders of my choice.
                        • usak Girls, good news for you! 12.08.07, 00:01
                          Look what I found on the pages of HM Revenue & Customs:
                          "Currently, if you and your partner are of the same sex, you are not
                          entitled to claim tax credits jointly but instead need to make
                          separate claims, based on your individual circumstances and income.
                          However, with effect from 5 December 2005, the Civil Partnership Act
                          2004 will be brought into force. This will allow same-sex couples to
                          form a civil partnership and thus have their relationship legally
                          recognised, if they so wish. When the Civil Partnership Act is
                          brought into force, same-sex couples - both those who form a civil
                          partnership and those who do not, but live together as if they were
                          civil partners - will also be required to make joint tax credit
                          claims, based on their joint circumstances and income. More
                          information about the effect of the Civil Partnership Act on tax
                          credits will be published later this year."

                          Since December 2005 the fact that you are of the same sex does not
                          metter. Just form a Civil Partnership and go for steph13's money!

                          • paper_mate Re: Girls, good news for you! 12.08.07, 05:29
                            >> I find the lack of tolerance on such grounds utterly abhorrent.

                            But I am very tolerant. They can fornicate all they want as long as
                            they pay for that themselves. Nobody pays for my sexual escapades
                            and I don’t expect anyone to do so.


                            > YOUR money?

                            Damn right, it is my money because I earned it as in work=>money.
                            The thing is that Alicias of the world think that they too can ride
                            the gravy train but the sad reality is that they only get the crumbs
                            of other people’s tables.


                            >> "Currently, if you and your partner are of the same sex, you are
                            not entitled to claim tax credits jointly but instead need to make
                            separate claims,"

                            Wonderful! Now we are going to pay double, each of the lovely
                            ladies will get her own check from the rest of us.
                            • usak I am scared to death! 12.08.07, 06:47
                              In my previous post I have written "metter" insted of "matter".
                              Will the governmet deprive me of all welfare benefits on the grounds
                              of "illiteracy for all practical purposes"?
                              :-)
                        • wuenschentroff Re: Don't take anything for granted!!!??????????? 12.08.07, 07:43
                          >Whether they are lesbians or not is of no importance whatsoever. I
                          >find the lack of tolerance on such grounds utterly abhorent.

                          Well, I do too but you have obviously missed my point. The odds of gays and
                          lesbians having kids (adopted or through in vitro) are much higher than in
                          straight couples.


                          >I do however object to Britain being a Mecca for the alicjas of
                          >this world, pregnant or otherwise. Entitlement to benefits and
                          >support ought to be proportionate to the input by any claimants.
                          >That would prevent hordes of the needy from wherever they breed
                          >heading for soft-touch Britain.


                          Well, your over-generous hand-outs of welfare checks never helped the drug
                          addicts or the drunks or the gangs in the past either. As for the "Eldorado", it
                          could have been easily avoided if only somebody had tried to be less gullible
                          about your country's future. Opting out on a number of "hot" issues and
                          adjusting the charter of rights is all that's left for now. It's certainly
                          gonna annoy the hell out of a lot of countries.

                          >As for our leaders selling us out to Brussels - couldn't agree
                          >more, but then they are not the leaders of my choice.

                          So much for democracy then.


                          • steph13 Re: Don't take anything for granted!!!??????????? 12.08.07, 11:02
                            wuenschentroff napisał:

                            >The odds of gays and lesbians having kids (adopted or through in
                            vitro) are much higher than in straight couples.

                            ???? how come?

                            >As for the "Eldorado", it could have been easily avoided if only
                            somebody had tried to be less gullible about your country's future.
                            Opting out on a number of "hot" issues and adjusting the charter of
                            rights is all that's left for now. It's certainly gonna annoy the
                            hell out of a lot of countries.

                            Well, there were leaders who did opt out and looked after the
                            national interest (Mrs T) but their successors came to overide their
                            decisions in the name of .... what exactly? Adjusting the charter of
                            human rights is indeed a hot issue but it will take a leadership of
                            some guts to deal with it. At present, one can only dream.

                            > So much for democracy then

                            My sentiments exactly. But then, when a 'majority' government is
                            elected by some thirty odd percent of the population, on some 40%
                            turnout on the polling day, what democracy is there to speak of?
                            • wuenschentroff Re: Don't take anything for granted!!!??????????? 12.08.07, 19:58
                              How come?
                              Last time I checked, the sperm happens to need an egg to produce an offspring.

                              The in vitro can easily hit $18 grand per procedure while surrogate parenting
                              hovers from $10 to 20 grand a pregnancy and over. Gay adoptive parents are
                              screened through a magnifying glass and gone over with a fine tooth comb while
                              majority is still considered inferior to straight non-adoptive parents.

                              ...the list goes on.
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