Artykuł o zabawkach Specnazu

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    • Gość: Misza Dzieki, ale nie sadze ze ktos poza nami... IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 11:05
      ...zrozumie o co w artykule chodzi :)
      • Gość: o3 wersja inglisz IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 11:09
        Special-novelties for the special services

        FIGHT with CRIMINALS and TERRORISTS OF ALL COLORS requires not is only the
        professionally prepared specialists and the correctly organized work. Important
        role play weapon being been at the disposal of colleagues, special and technical
        means. During June of this year the government RF adopted the sequential
        decision about the addition of the enumerations of weapon and special means,
        find in arsenal of the organs of internal affairs MVD RF.

        Vladimir Shcherbakov, "RIA Of news"

        Immediately let us be specified - this is thus far only official adoption of
        numerous models to the armament. To determine their precise quantity necessary
        for the purchase, only is in prospect, and to enter subdivisions they will begin
        not earlier than 2006.
        Certainly, it would like more rapidly. But is such already the specific
        character of heavy and clumsy government machine. Is it possible it to simplify?
        Probably, yes. Answer to this question - after our legislators and management of
        power ministries.
        However, what new did obtain at their disposal our defenders? By the
        acknowledgement of very colleagues OF MVD, some models are unique and will make
        it possible to reliably shut those "breaches", which existed in the equipment
        not only of the soldiers of the Special Force, but also the personnel of
        patrulсo- point-duty service, non-departmental protection and other subdivisions
        of the organs of internal affairs.

        One additional interesting specific character of our country consists in the
        fact that this decision does not concern connections and parts of the internal
        troops, although the latter enter organizationally into the composition MVD of
        Russia. Various document starts for them. It does ask itself, in what reason?
        Indeed personnel of internal troops, especially his special subdivisions, carry
        out in majority their of the tasks, similar on their directivity to those that
        decide the organs of internal affairs.
        However, according to the representatives OF MVD, at present actively is
        discussed the possibility of the association of efforts in this region and in
        the very near future it is possible to expect the output of the already new
        document, which determines adoption to the armament with all structures of the
        ministry of various models of weapon and special means.

        "champion", "cord", pistols and the grenade dischargers
        Among lethal, so to speak, type weapon, intended for the physical liquidation of
        enemy, apart stands 9- mm the machine pistol PPY9-0Y. Are more precise, their
        even two - in execution by 10 ("champion") and in execution by 20 ("Champion-
        sthenes"). The first is developed on the base of the widely known shortened
        Kalashnikov automatic rifle AKS"yau, and the second - already on the base of
        automaton AKY0YA. On the latter there are laths Of pikatini - in the upper part
        and under the stem. But the most important special feature of new family - this
        is that cartridge, under which it is created. The for the first time Russian
        police obtained to itself to the armament machine pistol under the cartridge of
        9khy9 Para ("Lueger pistol"), which has the improved characteristics in
        comparison with weaker 9- mm by cartridge to Makarov pistol. Entered at the
        disposal of the organs of law previously machine pistol "bison -2" therefore did
        not satisfy completely the need of special services - because of the use in it
        of a weak peemovskogo cartridge.
        Magazine capacity in new machine pistols compose 30 cartridges, mass with the
        empty magazine - about 3 kg, length with the folded butt - 458 mm, and height
        with the connected store - 265 mm. the utilized cartridges have a prefix PRS -
        i.e., with the lowered ricocheting ability. But against this below. Model PP
        -19-02 "Champion- sthenes" is intended for the armament of the soldiers of the
        Special Force - therefore the letter "SN" in the name. However, usual "champion"
        will enter into service of the colleagues of the organs of the internal affairs:
        patrulсo- point-duty service, THE STATE INSPECTORATE FOR ROAD TRAFFIC SAFETY,
        intradepartmental protection, etc. thus, from the following year management MVD
        plans gradually, in proportion to the isolation of the necessary financial
        means, to replace according to plan existing shortened "kalashey" to the new
        machine pistol.
        As the weapon of personal self-defence for the colleagues of the organs of
        internal affairs accepted such models of weapon both the already known to the
        wide reader pistol Of yarygina Pya ('Peshch), which has hammer udarnospuskovoy
        the mechanism with samovzvodom and nonautomatic safety device with double-sided
        manager lever, and the less famous pistols of the caliber of 9 mm: SR -1M under
        the cartridges SP -10, SP -11, SP -12 and SP -13, and also P -96M, which is
        characterized by comparatively small mass-and-size characteristics. Moreover SR
        -1M is intended only for the armament of personnel of the special-purpose
        subdivisions MVD of Russia. However, as far as small, almost "lady", pistol P
        -96M, is concerned, with the mass with the empty magazine only in 450 g and the
        overall sizes (length X width X height) in the limits of yshchykhy0'khey mm it
        has available store to 14 cartridges of the caliber of 9 mm.

        Easing valve - yes roads!
        However, as accepted to the armament 9- mm machine pistol SR -2M, intended for
        destruction of living of targets at the distances to 200 m (including on the
        distance to 100 m and those, who it find in the means of the individual armor
        protection of the second class), and 9- mm small automaton SRAM. The latter is
        developed under the cartridges SP -5 and SP -6, has, just as SR -2M, the
        possibility of conducting the single and automatic fire. It possesses still
        larger "lethal force" and is capable to strike bandits, find under the cover of
        the means of individual armor protection to the third class inclusively. But at
        the distances to 200 m it strikes the unarmored technology.
        Snipers also obtained to themselves the novelties: 12,7- mm sniper rifle ASVK
        (SVN-98), 7.62-mm sniper rifle SV -98 and small-caliber 5,6- mm sniper rifle SV
        -99. Rifle ASVK is familiar to many specialists, but its militia version was
        accepted to the armament only after modification according to the requirements,
        presented to their weapon in MVD of Russia. In particular, on it was established
        new, more ergonomichnaya gunstock, and support was executed adjustable and has
        three fixed positions. The modification of fastening store and muzzle brake-
        fire-extinguisher is carry ouied. Furthermore, for the shooting from this rifle
        is used new sniper cartridge.
        They accepted to the armament of the organs of internal affairs and the widely
        known already heavy machine gun "CORD" ('Pshch"), intended for the defeat of the
        lightly armored ground-based, air and floating objects and the live enemy
        target. Moreover, for the installation of optical sights or night sights it can
        be used for the observation, prospecting of purposes and aiming with the day or
        night (poor) visibility conditions.
        Is developed this 12,7- mm the machine gun at the famous Kovrov plant im.
        Degtarev. By the distinctive design features of machine gun are right-side or
        left-side belt feed with the cartridges, quick-change stem and electric trigger
        for the remote fire control. But as the reinforcing means of firepower of the
        police, especially in the fight with the groups of the well armed terrorists,
        they accepted to the armament and the reactive assault grenade RSHG-2 with the
        grenade discharger of single-time application and the head part in the
        thermobaric equipment.
        So that in the case of the isolation of the necessary means and purchase of data
        of the models of weapon for the subdivisions MVD their personnel will be able to
        feel himself to the highest degree protected. Well and with them - and we with
        you, respected fellow citizens.

        To
        • Gość: grzeczniocha Dlaczego rosjanie nie używaja... IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 12:04
          zachodniego uzbrojenia hmm? przecież kilka wzorów mogliby wykozystac ...
          • Gość: Misza Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 12:27
            i sa tansze od zachodnich odpowiednikow.
            • Gość: o3 glock 17 IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:32
              zresztą w arykule jest to wytłumaczone, mianowicie "za delikatne są" aczkolwiek
              białoruski specnaz używa H&K i glocków 17 do zadań w mieście (pocisk z klocka ma
              lepsze parametry,tak jest napisane)
            • Gość: grzeczniocha Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 12:35
              a powtarzalne karabiny wyborowe? ,odpowiednika mp5 chyba niemacie też...
              • Gość: o3 Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:43
                są liczne wersje aks74U oraz mój ulubiony "Groza"
                world.guns.ru/assault/as09-e.htm
              • Gość: Misza Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 13:45
                Gość portalu: grzeczniocha napisał(a):

                > a powtarzalne karabiny wyborowe?

                To mial byc zart :) ?

                Mamy WSS-Wintorez, SWD i SWU
                Ich mozliwosci w zupelnosci wystarcza.
                A dla strzelania na odleglosci ponad 600m sa bolt-action SW-98

                >odpowiednika mp5 chyba niemacie też...

                Glowne slowo w twym zdaniu to jest "chyba" :))
                "Odpowiednika"? CO mas zna mysli?
                Mamy kilkanascie pm-ow o roznych parametrach
                Kiparis
                Bizon
                Kasztan
                Kedr
                Wichr'
                PP-93
                PP-2000
                SP-3 Weresk







                • Gość: grzeczniocha Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 13:57
                  no nie wiem powtarzalne karabiny np: Accuarcy International czy Sako są
                  bardziej precyzyjne niż samopowtarzalny SWD ze zwykłą amunicją...a co do tych
                  odpowiedników mp5 to raczej rzadko je sie widywało w rękach komandosów
                  działających pod Dubrowką i w Biesłanie...
                  • Gość: MIsza Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:36
                    Gość portalu: grzeczniocha napisał(a):

                    > no nie wiem powtarzalne karabiny np: Accuarcy International czy Sako są
                    > bardziej precyzyjne niż samopowtarzalny SWD ze zwykłą amunicją...

                    Ale to nie jest sport gdzie strzelaja dla medali na odleglosci ponad kilometr.
                    W _realnych_ akcjach specnazu dystans z ktorego pracuja snajperzy to 500-700m,
                    a tutaj SWD calkowicie wystarcza. A jesli zastosowac nie KM-owe pociski a
                    specjalne snajperskie to wynik bedzie dobry nawet na 800m.
                    Do tego porownaj cene SWD i SAKO - za jeden Sako mozna kupic 5 SWD. No i koszt
                    przeszkolenia snajperow - przeciez trzeba by bylo przeuczyc kilkaset snajperow,
                    inna balistyka, inna konstrukcja itd.
                    PO prostu "gra jest nie warta swiec"

                    > a co do tych
                    > odpowiedników mp5 to raczej rzadko je sie widywało w rękach komandosów
                    > działających pod Dubrowką i w Biesłanie...

                    Bo AK-74M nadal jest podstawowa bronia wojskowego specnazu - przeciez oni
                    dzialaja zwykle w "polu" gdzie pocisk posredni jest bardziej przydatny niz
                    pistoletowy.
                    Specnaz MSW i FSB ma na wyposazeniu pewne ilosci Kasztanow, Kedrow i KIparisow,
                    ale ich ciagle jest jeszcze malo.
                    W kazdym razie gdyby (jak sugerujesz) wybrano mp5 (czy jakis inny zachodni
                    analog) to ich bylo by jeszcze mniej gdyz na nich napewno by nie starczylo
                    kasy.

        • Gość: o3 Re: wersja inglisz CD.. IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:41
          To ricochet is not!
          One additional breach it was possible "to plug" by the fact that to the armament
          at long last it was possible to accept whole range of cartridges with the
          lowered ricocheting ability (they are designated by the abbreviation OF "PRS").
          This - 7.62-mm rifle 7,62PRS- V, 7.62-mm automatic ",'2prs (shape of 1943 g.)
          and two 9- mm of the pistol of cartridge - 9khy8PRS and 9khy9PRS.
          All enumerated cartridges are intended for destruction of different of targets
          under the conditions of the populated areas, limited space and special objects.
          The special constructions of core and bullet jacket, which forms part of data of
          cartridges, ensure the complete absence of second defeat by the fragments of
          bullets with the ricochet on the angle of incidences with the obstacle from 0 to
          60 deg. this I it cannot but gladden both the professionals and simple average men.

          But what do the neighbors have?
          Recently in Smolensk region were passed the become as already traditional
          anti-terrorist studies, in which participated the subdivision of the Special
          Force from MVD of Russia and republic Belarus'. From Russia was begun to operate
          personnel of such subdivisions of special designation as "Russia", the
          "champion", "overexposure", "lynx" and SPECIAL FORCES UNIT GUVD of Smolenskaya
          Oblast. Belorussian associates "advanced" special unit on the combating of
          terrorism "diamond" and subdivision of the Special Force of internal troops.
          Special Forces soldiers mastered different measures: they freed hostages,
          neutralized the sufficiently large group of terrorists sat down in the building
          and, finally, was conducted the liquidation one additional group of bandits -
          penetrated in the region of conducting troop operation.
          On the measure they was present not only the minister of internal affairs RF of
          rashid Of nurgaliyev, but also his associate from several countries OF THE CIS.
          Fight with the terror, unfortunately, became the universal matter - i.e.,
          problem this exists in each of the former republics of that disappeared in to
          the summer of the Soviet Union. There were, by the way, and guests from distant
          zarubezh'ya - colleagues of Austrian subdivision on the combating of terrorism
          "cobra". They, apparently, arrived also in order to look, as they exploit their
          national weapon (pistols

          "glok" abroad.
          The fact is that the Belorussian Special Forces soldiers are armed and equipped
          with the predominantly western models of small arms and outfitting. Including
          they have at their disposal machine pistols Of "khekler Koch" and pistols "glok"
          (model "glok-y"").
          For contributor it was possible to learn opinion of one of the Russian
          specialists, true, on the condition of anonymity.
          So here, this only seems that entire foreign - is always better than our,
          Russian. Let us say immediately that far from single-valued opinion about the
          West European weapon was formed among quite Belorussian soldiers of the Special
          Force.
          There are both the its ardent apologists and not less convinced enemies. The
          latter not without the malice assert that if this khvalenyy "Glok" it is simple
          to drop on the dusty country road, then it here will refuse to shoot - it will
          be necessary cleaning. Although into this something weakly it believes... Well
          not such already there, abroad, idiots sit in the design bureaus and at the plants.
          From other side, on the words of Russian officer, the Belorussian Special Force
          always beret with itself only Russian (but sometimes even and Soviet) weapon in
          that case, when it goes to the operation into the forests and the fields. I.e.,
          there, where it is necessary to catch not street gangsters, but experienced
          bandits, who sat down with the rifles and the automata in the swamps or in the
          strongly broken ground. Western weapon is under such conditions hardly suitable
          to the use, yes even result suffers.
          But it is here under the urban conditions - another matter. Especially as the
          cartridge, under which they are developed "gloki", it is more powerful in
          comparison with our peemovskim. However, as far as quality is concerned, as
          specialists assert, in Belorussian MVD on this decided not to economize and
          purchased "native" cartridges, moreover from best series (production of Finnish
          komanii Of "lapua").
          By the way, according to the new normative documents, accepted within the
          framework MVD of Russia, for equipping the personnel of ministry now it is
          officially permitted to buy rifle and other weapon of the foreign of development
          and production. Concrete models are not indicated and they will be determined
          already on the basis of the appearing need. Here importantly very change in the
          approach of management to this problem. Indeed for dealing with this truly
          oecumenical evil as the organized criminality and terrorism, it is necessary to
          draw all resources and scientific and technical achievements. And it is no
          secret that on some questions of the matter better they proceed in our foreign
          associates.

          "spider" scatters the light cobweb
          It is known that even with the proper blocking of the place of conducting
          special operation on the line of fire can nevertheless prove to be outside
          people. Constantly on the agenda stands a question about the reduction of losses
          among the soldiers of special units.
          "to kill" immediately two hares to law-enforcement agencies can soak the new
          system, which received designation "spider". This is the small interference
          laser complex, developed on the basis of the newest science-intensive
          technologies and intended for abridging the losses among the personnel and
          outside persons in the zone of conducting special operation with the elements of
          the armed opposition from the side of criminal structures.
          The basic impact means of "spider", as it is possible to understand, this is the
          powerful laser beam, which makes it possible to create on the distance from 25
          to 600 m optical interferences with observer, to sniper or to the spotter of
          enemy and depriving his possibility to observe and aimed fire. Complex is
          capable to ensure the work of emitters simultaneously in two wavelengths (green
          and red) which excludes completely the possibility of use by a contrary side of
          light filters. "dazzling" enemy, laser emission is not brought on it and random
          persons the irreversible harm (to sight and to other organs), since the radiated
          power does not exceed the limits, established in the existing biomedical
          admittances. But, from other side, this means can prove useful to servicemen,
          whose basic task - to physically destroy enemy.

          It is necessary to only increase power.
          Moreover, according to the Russian specialists, the scientific and technical
          improvement of small semiconductor laser complexes continues, and their the
          light "networks", which are characterized by unique technical and tactical
          possibilities, they reliably block bandits and terrorists.
          Certain, to bear "spider", although it and small, far from each soldier of the
          Special Force or colleague of the police will be able. But for this to the
          armament MVD was accepted the lamp of coherent emission with the interesting
          name - "flow".
          This small, with the length only of 185 mm and with the diameter of 25 mm,
          shtukovina weighing 178 g is capable temporarily, for the period to 2 h, of
          dazzling law-breakers with the resultant consequences: the difficulty of visual
          observation, the impossibility of conducting of aimed fire, difficulty with
          inflicting of precise impacts and with the driving of automobile.
          Range of effectiveness - also nemalen'kaya: to 30 m. the main thing - not to
          release this "magic lantern" into free sale, but that in many will arise the
          desire to poshalit' on the road - to popuskat' of laser sunbeam reflection to
          drivers into the eyes...

          Virtual range
          The constantly increasing number of crimes with the elements of the armed
          opposition to law-enforcement agencies from th
      • Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Dzieki, ale nie sadze ze ktos poza nami... IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 14:45
        Izwieni Drug! Ja poniał!:) Spasiba!:)
        -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka!
        • Gość: Misza Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystkiego IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:25
          ...przeczytac :)))
          POzdro
          Misza
          • Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 15:35
            Ot szutnik!:) Może literki były za małe?:)Po za tym podobny tekst
            o "zabawkach" Specnazu był drukowany u nas w kilku kolejnych wydaniach
            miesięcznika "Raport WTO"!:) Osobiście najbardziej podobała mi się broń
            skonstruowana do strzelania pod wodą! Nie licząc chyba tylko Niemców,nikt
            więcej nie produkuje takiej broni! NIe pamiętam nazwy a szukac mnie się nie
            chce! "Pistolet maszynowy" oparty chyba na podzespołach z AK!I niesamowita
            amunicja : nabój 5 razy dłuższy od łuski!
            -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka!
            • Gość: MIsza Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:43
              Gość portalu: MAREK_BOA napisał(a):

              > Ot szutnik!:)

              No jest troche :))

              > Może literki były za małe?:)

              Wlasnie. Przeczytalem wstep i rzucilem - nic nowego nie znalazlem a psuc (i tak
              nie najlepszy) wzrok nie chcialem :)))

              > Po za tym podobny tekst
              > o "zabawkach" Specnazu był drukowany u nas w kilku kolejnych wydaniach
              > miesięcznika "Raport WTO"!:)

              U nas tez o nich wiele pisali

              > Osobiście najbardziej podobała mi się broń
              > skonstruowana do strzelania pod wodą!

              APS ?

              > Nie licząc chyba tylko Niemców,nikt
              > więcej nie produkuje takiej broni! NIe pamiętam nazwy a szukac mnie się nie
              > chce! "Pistolet maszynowy" oparty chyba na podzespołach z AK!I niesamowita
              > amunicja : nabój 5 razy dłuższy od łuski!

              Tak to jest APS - Awtopat POdwodnyh Specialnyj
              • Gość: o3 Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 15:52
                w sierpniu 2004 roku na Baikale strzelalem z APS,smieszna sprawa
              • Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 16:08
                Tak i mnie się zdaje!:)Oczień spasiba:)Sorry za bzdurę(przyznaję bez bicia)
                wypskło mnie się :miało byc pocisk nie nabój!:)
                -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka!
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