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Gość: Misza Dzieki, ale nie sadze ze ktos poza nami... IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 11:05 ...zrozumie o co w artykule chodzi :) Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: o3 wersja inglisz IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 11:09 Special-novelties for the special services FIGHT with CRIMINALS and TERRORISTS OF ALL COLORS requires not is only the professionally prepared specialists and the correctly organized work. Important role play weapon being been at the disposal of colleagues, special and technical means. During June of this year the government RF adopted the sequential decision about the addition of the enumerations of weapon and special means, find in arsenal of the organs of internal affairs MVD RF. Vladimir Shcherbakov, "RIA Of news" Immediately let us be specified - this is thus far only official adoption of numerous models to the armament. To determine their precise quantity necessary for the purchase, only is in prospect, and to enter subdivisions they will begin not earlier than 2006. Certainly, it would like more rapidly. But is such already the specific character of heavy and clumsy government machine. Is it possible it to simplify? Probably, yes. Answer to this question - after our legislators and management of power ministries. However, what new did obtain at their disposal our defenders? By the acknowledgement of very colleagues OF MVD, some models are unique and will make it possible to reliably shut those "breaches", which existed in the equipment not only of the soldiers of the Special Force, but also the personnel of patrulсo- point-duty service, non-departmental protection and other subdivisions of the organs of internal affairs. One additional interesting specific character of our country consists in the fact that this decision does not concern connections and parts of the internal troops, although the latter enter organizationally into the composition MVD of Russia. Various document starts for them. It does ask itself, in what reason? Indeed personnel of internal troops, especially his special subdivisions, carry out in majority their of the tasks, similar on their directivity to those that decide the organs of internal affairs. However, according to the representatives OF MVD, at present actively is discussed the possibility of the association of efforts in this region and in the very near future it is possible to expect the output of the already new document, which determines adoption to the armament with all structures of the ministry of various models of weapon and special means. "champion", "cord", pistols and the grenade dischargers Among lethal, so to speak, type weapon, intended for the physical liquidation of enemy, apart stands 9- mm the machine pistol PPY9-0Y. Are more precise, their even two - in execution by 10 ("champion") and in execution by 20 ("Champion- sthenes"). The first is developed on the base of the widely known shortened Kalashnikov automatic rifle AKS"yau, and the second - already on the base of automaton AKY0YA. On the latter there are laths Of pikatini - in the upper part and under the stem. But the most important special feature of new family - this is that cartridge, under which it is created. The for the first time Russian police obtained to itself to the armament machine pistol under the cartridge of 9khy9 Para ("Lueger pistol"), which has the improved characteristics in comparison with weaker 9- mm by cartridge to Makarov pistol. Entered at the disposal of the organs of law previously machine pistol "bison -2" therefore did not satisfy completely the need of special services - because of the use in it of a weak peemovskogo cartridge. Magazine capacity in new machine pistols compose 30 cartridges, mass with the empty magazine - about 3 kg, length with the folded butt - 458 mm, and height with the connected store - 265 mm. the utilized cartridges have a prefix PRS - i.e., with the lowered ricocheting ability. But against this below. Model PP -19-02 "Champion- sthenes" is intended for the armament of the soldiers of the Special Force - therefore the letter "SN" in the name. However, usual "champion" will enter into service of the colleagues of the organs of the internal affairs: patrulсo- point-duty service, THE STATE INSPECTORATE FOR ROAD TRAFFIC SAFETY, intradepartmental protection, etc. thus, from the following year management MVD plans gradually, in proportion to the isolation of the necessary financial means, to replace according to plan existing shortened "kalashey" to the new machine pistol. As the weapon of personal self-defence for the colleagues of the organs of internal affairs accepted such models of weapon both the already known to the wide reader pistol Of yarygina Pya ('Peshch), which has hammer udarnospuskovoy the mechanism with samovzvodom and nonautomatic safety device with double-sided manager lever, and the less famous pistols of the caliber of 9 mm: SR -1M under the cartridges SP -10, SP -11, SP -12 and SP -13, and also P -96M, which is characterized by comparatively small mass-and-size characteristics. Moreover SR -1M is intended only for the armament of personnel of the special-purpose subdivisions MVD of Russia. However, as far as small, almost "lady", pistol P -96M, is concerned, with the mass with the empty magazine only in 450 g and the overall sizes (length X width X height) in the limits of yshchykhy0'khey mm it has available store to 14 cartridges of the caliber of 9 mm. Easing valve - yes roads! However, as accepted to the armament 9- mm machine pistol SR -2M, intended for destruction of living of targets at the distances to 200 m (including on the distance to 100 m and those, who it find in the means of the individual armor protection of the second class), and 9- mm small automaton SRAM. The latter is developed under the cartridges SP -5 and SP -6, has, just as SR -2M, the possibility of conducting the single and automatic fire. It possesses still larger "lethal force" and is capable to strike bandits, find under the cover of the means of individual armor protection to the third class inclusively. But at the distances to 200 m it strikes the unarmored technology. Snipers also obtained to themselves the novelties: 12,7- mm sniper rifle ASVK (SVN-98), 7.62-mm sniper rifle SV -98 and small-caliber 5,6- mm sniper rifle SV -99. Rifle ASVK is familiar to many specialists, but its militia version was accepted to the armament only after modification according to the requirements, presented to their weapon in MVD of Russia. In particular, on it was established new, more ergonomichnaya gunstock, and support was executed adjustable and has three fixed positions. The modification of fastening store and muzzle brake- fire-extinguisher is carry ouied. Furthermore, for the shooting from this rifle is used new sniper cartridge. They accepted to the armament of the organs of internal affairs and the widely known already heavy machine gun "CORD" ('Pshch"), intended for the defeat of the lightly armored ground-based, air and floating objects and the live enemy target. Moreover, for the installation of optical sights or night sights it can be used for the observation, prospecting of purposes and aiming with the day or night (poor) visibility conditions. Is developed this 12,7- mm the machine gun at the famous Kovrov plant im. Degtarev. By the distinctive design features of machine gun are right-side or left-side belt feed with the cartridges, quick-change stem and electric trigger for the remote fire control. But as the reinforcing means of firepower of the police, especially in the fight with the groups of the well armed terrorists, they accepted to the armament and the reactive assault grenade RSHG-2 with the grenade discharger of single-time application and the head part in the thermobaric equipment. So that in the case of the isolation of the necessary means and purchase of data of the models of weapon for the subdivisions MVD their personnel will be able to feel himself to the highest degree protected. Well and with them - and we with you, respected fellow citizens. To Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: grzeczniocha Dlaczego rosjanie nie używaja... IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 12:04 zachodniego uzbrojenia hmm? przecież kilka wzorów mogliby wykozystac ... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Misza Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 12:27 i sa tansze od zachodnich odpowiednikow. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: o3 glock 17 IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:32 zresztą w arykule jest to wytłumaczone, mianowicie "za delikatne są" aczkolwiek białoruski specnaz używa H&K i glocków 17 do zadań w mieście (pocisk z klocka ma lepsze parametry,tak jest napisane) Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: grzeczniocha Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 12:35 a powtarzalne karabiny wyborowe? ,odpowiednika mp5 chyba niemacie też... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: o3 Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:43 są liczne wersje aks74U oraz mój ulubiony "Groza" world.guns.ru/assault/as09-e.htm Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Misza Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 13:45 Gość portalu: grzeczniocha napisał(a): > a powtarzalne karabiny wyborowe? To mial byc zart :) ? Mamy WSS-Wintorez, SWD i SWU Ich mozliwosci w zupelnosci wystarcza. A dla strzelania na odleglosci ponad 600m sa bolt-action SW-98 >odpowiednika mp5 chyba niemacie też... Glowne slowo w twym zdaniu to jest "chyba" :)) "Odpowiednika"? CO mas zna mysli? Mamy kilkanascie pm-ow o roznych parametrach Kiparis Bizon Kasztan Kedr Wichr' PP-93 PP-2000 SP-3 Weresk Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: grzeczniocha Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 29.12.05, 13:57 no nie wiem powtarzalne karabiny np: Accuarcy International czy Sako są bardziej precyzyjne niż samopowtarzalny SWD ze zwykłą amunicją...a co do tych odpowiedników mp5 to raczej rzadko je sie widywało w rękach komandosów działających pod Dubrowką i w Biesłanie... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: MIsza Re: Bo nasze sa przystosowane go naszych warunkow IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:36 Gość portalu: grzeczniocha napisał(a): > no nie wiem powtarzalne karabiny np: Accuarcy International czy Sako są > bardziej precyzyjne niż samopowtarzalny SWD ze zwykłą amunicją... Ale to nie jest sport gdzie strzelaja dla medali na odleglosci ponad kilometr. W _realnych_ akcjach specnazu dystans z ktorego pracuja snajperzy to 500-700m, a tutaj SWD calkowicie wystarcza. A jesli zastosowac nie KM-owe pociski a specjalne snajperskie to wynik bedzie dobry nawet na 800m. Do tego porownaj cene SWD i SAKO - za jeden Sako mozna kupic 5 SWD. No i koszt przeszkolenia snajperow - przeciez trzeba by bylo przeuczyc kilkaset snajperow, inna balistyka, inna konstrukcja itd. PO prostu "gra jest nie warta swiec" > a co do tych > odpowiedników mp5 to raczej rzadko je sie widywało w rękach komandosów > działających pod Dubrowką i w Biesłanie... Bo AK-74M nadal jest podstawowa bronia wojskowego specnazu - przeciez oni dzialaja zwykle w "polu" gdzie pocisk posredni jest bardziej przydatny niz pistoletowy. Specnaz MSW i FSB ma na wyposazeniu pewne ilosci Kasztanow, Kedrow i KIparisow, ale ich ciagle jest jeszcze malo. W kazdym razie gdyby (jak sugerujesz) wybrano mp5 (czy jakis inny zachodni analog) to ich bylo by jeszcze mniej gdyz na nich napewno by nie starczylo kasy. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: o3 Re: wersja inglisz CD.. IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 12:41 To ricochet is not! One additional breach it was possible "to plug" by the fact that to the armament at long last it was possible to accept whole range of cartridges with the lowered ricocheting ability (they are designated by the abbreviation OF "PRS"). This - 7.62-mm rifle 7,62PRS- V, 7.62-mm automatic ",'2prs (shape of 1943 g.) and two 9- mm of the pistol of cartridge - 9khy8PRS and 9khy9PRS. All enumerated cartridges are intended for destruction of different of targets under the conditions of the populated areas, limited space and special objects. The special constructions of core and bullet jacket, which forms part of data of cartridges, ensure the complete absence of second defeat by the fragments of bullets with the ricochet on the angle of incidences with the obstacle from 0 to 60 deg. this I it cannot but gladden both the professionals and simple average men. But what do the neighbors have? Recently in Smolensk region were passed the become as already traditional anti-terrorist studies, in which participated the subdivision of the Special Force from MVD of Russia and republic Belarus'. From Russia was begun to operate personnel of such subdivisions of special designation as "Russia", the "champion", "overexposure", "lynx" and SPECIAL FORCES UNIT GUVD of Smolenskaya Oblast. Belorussian associates "advanced" special unit on the combating of terrorism "diamond" and subdivision of the Special Force of internal troops. Special Forces soldiers mastered different measures: they freed hostages, neutralized the sufficiently large group of terrorists sat down in the building and, finally, was conducted the liquidation one additional group of bandits - penetrated in the region of conducting troop operation. On the measure they was present not only the minister of internal affairs RF of rashid Of nurgaliyev, but also his associate from several countries OF THE CIS. Fight with the terror, unfortunately, became the universal matter - i.e., problem this exists in each of the former republics of that disappeared in to the summer of the Soviet Union. There were, by the way, and guests from distant zarubezh'ya - colleagues of Austrian subdivision on the combating of terrorism "cobra". They, apparently, arrived also in order to look, as they exploit their national weapon (pistols "glok" abroad. The fact is that the Belorussian Special Forces soldiers are armed and equipped with the predominantly western models of small arms and outfitting. Including they have at their disposal machine pistols Of "khekler Koch" and pistols "glok" (model "glok-y""). For contributor it was possible to learn opinion of one of the Russian specialists, true, on the condition of anonymity. So here, this only seems that entire foreign - is always better than our, Russian. Let us say immediately that far from single-valued opinion about the West European weapon was formed among quite Belorussian soldiers of the Special Force. There are both the its ardent apologists and not less convinced enemies. The latter not without the malice assert that if this khvalenyy "Glok" it is simple to drop on the dusty country road, then it here will refuse to shoot - it will be necessary cleaning. Although into this something weakly it believes... Well not such already there, abroad, idiots sit in the design bureaus and at the plants. From other side, on the words of Russian officer, the Belorussian Special Force always beret with itself only Russian (but sometimes even and Soviet) weapon in that case, when it goes to the operation into the forests and the fields. I.e., there, where it is necessary to catch not street gangsters, but experienced bandits, who sat down with the rifles and the automata in the swamps or in the strongly broken ground. Western weapon is under such conditions hardly suitable to the use, yes even result suffers. But it is here under the urban conditions - another matter. Especially as the cartridge, under which they are developed "gloki", it is more powerful in comparison with our peemovskim. However, as far as quality is concerned, as specialists assert, in Belorussian MVD on this decided not to economize and purchased "native" cartridges, moreover from best series (production of Finnish komanii Of "lapua"). By the way, according to the new normative documents, accepted within the framework MVD of Russia, for equipping the personnel of ministry now it is officially permitted to buy rifle and other weapon of the foreign of development and production. Concrete models are not indicated and they will be determined already on the basis of the appearing need. Here importantly very change in the approach of management to this problem. Indeed for dealing with this truly oecumenical evil as the organized criminality and terrorism, it is necessary to draw all resources and scientific and technical achievements. And it is no secret that on some questions of the matter better they proceed in our foreign associates. "spider" scatters the light cobweb It is known that even with the proper blocking of the place of conducting special operation on the line of fire can nevertheless prove to be outside people. Constantly on the agenda stands a question about the reduction of losses among the soldiers of special units. "to kill" immediately two hares to law-enforcement agencies can soak the new system, which received designation "spider". This is the small interference laser complex, developed on the basis of the newest science-intensive technologies and intended for abridging the losses among the personnel and outside persons in the zone of conducting special operation with the elements of the armed opposition from the side of criminal structures. The basic impact means of "spider", as it is possible to understand, this is the powerful laser beam, which makes it possible to create on the distance from 25 to 600 m optical interferences with observer, to sniper or to the spotter of enemy and depriving his possibility to observe and aimed fire. Complex is capable to ensure the work of emitters simultaneously in two wavelengths (green and red) which excludes completely the possibility of use by a contrary side of light filters. "dazzling" enemy, laser emission is not brought on it and random persons the irreversible harm (to sight and to other organs), since the radiated power does not exceed the limits, established in the existing biomedical admittances. But, from other side, this means can prove useful to servicemen, whose basic task - to physically destroy enemy. It is necessary to only increase power. Moreover, according to the Russian specialists, the scientific and technical improvement of small semiconductor laser complexes continues, and their the light "networks", which are characterized by unique technical and tactical possibilities, they reliably block bandits and terrorists. Certain, to bear "spider", although it and small, far from each soldier of the Special Force or colleague of the police will be able. But for this to the armament MVD was accepted the lamp of coherent emission with the interesting name - "flow". This small, with the length only of 185 mm and with the diameter of 25 mm, shtukovina weighing 178 g is capable temporarily, for the period to 2 h, of dazzling law-breakers with the resultant consequences: the difficulty of visual observation, the impossibility of conducting of aimed fire, difficulty with inflicting of precise impacts and with the driving of automobile. Range of effectiveness - also nemalen'kaya: to 30 m. the main thing - not to release this "magic lantern" into free sale, but that in many will arise the desire to poshalit' on the road - to popuskat' of laser sunbeam reflection to drivers into the eyes... Virtual range The constantly increasing number of crimes with the elements of the armed opposition to law-enforcement agencies from th Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Dzieki, ale nie sadze ze ktos poza nami... IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 14:45 Izwieni Drug! Ja poniał!:) Spasiba!:) -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: Misza Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystkiego IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:25 ...przeczytac :))) POzdro Misza Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 15:35 Ot szutnik!:) Może literki były za małe?:)Po za tym podobny tekst o "zabawkach" Specnazu był drukowany u nas w kilku kolejnych wydaniach miesięcznika "Raport WTO"!:) Osobiście najbardziej podobała mi się broń skonstruowana do strzelania pod wodą! Nie licząc chyba tylko Niemców,nikt więcej nie produkuje takiej broni! NIe pamiętam nazwy a szukac mnie się nie chce! "Pistolet maszynowy" oparty chyba na podzespołach z AK!I niesamowita amunicja : nabój 5 razy dłuższy od łuski! -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: MIsza Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: *.mobicomk.ru 29.12.05, 15:43 Gość portalu: MAREK_BOA napisał(a): > Ot szutnik!:) No jest troche :)) > Może literki były za małe?:) Wlasnie. Przeczytalem wstep i rzucilem - nic nowego nie znalazlem a psuc (i tak nie najlepszy) wzrok nie chcialem :))) > Po za tym podobny tekst > o "zabawkach" Specnazu był drukowany u nas w kilku kolejnych wydaniach > miesięcznika "Raport WTO"!:) U nas tez o nich wiele pisali > Osobiście najbardziej podobała mi się broń > skonstruowana do strzelania pod wodą! APS ? > Nie licząc chyba tylko Niemców,nikt > więcej nie produkuje takiej broni! NIe pamiętam nazwy a szukac mnie się nie > chce! "Pistolet maszynowy" oparty chyba na podzespołach z AK!I niesamowita > amunicja : nabój 5 razy dłuższy od łuski! Tak to jest APS - Awtopat POdwodnyh Specialnyj Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: o3 Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: *.aster.pl 29.12.05, 15:52 w sierpniu 2004 roku na Baikale strzelalem z APS,smieszna sprawa Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: MAREK_BOA Re: Jestes dobry! Nawet ja niepotrafilem wszystki IP: 80.51.118.* 29.12.05, 16:08 Tak i mnie się zdaje!:)Oczień spasiba:)Sorry za bzdurę(przyznaję bez bicia) wypskło mnie się :miało byc pocisk nie nabój!:) -Pozdrawiam Pa Ka! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś