Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna

IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 14.04.03, 15:12
Ciezko znalezc jakies linki wszedzie sa juz tylko ruiny
Jak macie jakies zdjecia to wklejcie
Tutaj : ostatni promien slonca ( usmiechniety chlopczyk na rowerku to juz
historyczne zdjecie)

www.islam-online.net/english/News/2003-03/20/article09.shtml
    • marcus_crassus a nie masz foty jak Saddam daje dziecku cukierka? 14.04.03, 15:58
    • Gość: ariel marcus c. dałby dziecku zatrutego cukierka i IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 14.04.03, 17:01
      rozkoszował się jego agonią. Najważniejsze, by trucizna była produkcji
      amerykańskiej. Potem opisałby swój orgazm na tym forum.
      • Gość: Sokol Re: marcus c. dałby dziecku zatrutego cukierka i IP: *.tnt3.chiega.da.uu.net 14.04.03, 17:08
        Gość portalu: ariel napisał(a):

        > rozkoszował się jego agonią. Najważniejsze, by trucizna była produkcji
        > amerykańskiej. Potem opisałby swój orgazm na tym forum.

        Ja widzialem jak amerykanski dzielny wyzwoliciel dawal dziecku cukoerka
        prosto do buzi bo dzieciak nie mial go czym odebrac-zgubil raczki.
        Jacy ci wyzwoliciele dobrzy-potrafia nawet oslodzic dziecku zycie ktory jest
        bez rak.
    • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 19:49
      Internetowe biura turystyczne wycofaly zdjecia Bagdadu
      Znalazlam jeszcze taki link ( kliknijcie na powiekszenia )

      mutanda.net/
      Oraz przyslowiowy "cukierek" (zdjecie i przemowienie).

      forums.civ.org.pl/viewtopic.php?TopicID=603
      • marcus_crassus niedlugo bede mial zdjecie Husajna glaszczacego 15.04.03, 19:57
        dziecko po glowce:)

        bedzie lepsze:)

        bedzie tez stary siwobrody zaplakany ze szczescia dziadek calujacy dobrego
        ojca narodu w reke:)

        na razie jednak dla chetnych poznania innego wielkiego irakijczyka

        www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
        • Gość: samanta Re: niedlugo bede mial zdjecie Husajna glaszczace IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:47
          Jak sie nie ma broni to tylko pokrzyczec mozna a nuz sie wystrasza? ( to na
          temat ministra)
          Staral sie biedak jak mogl ale wyszla z tego tragikomedia
      • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 19:58
        Ten pierwszy link mutanda to jakis spam nie klikac na to
        Jeszcze wczoraj byly tam zdjecia

        muntanda.net/pic/baghdad/tahir.jpg
        muntanda.net/pic/baghdad/jumhurija.jpg
        muntanda.net/pic/baghdad/must.jpg

        Przepraszam ale w poprzednim poscie zjadlam jedna litere i zamiast muntanda
        wpisalam mutanda
        • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:00
          Jak widzicie chcialam zdjecia Bagdadu ale nie wychodza w zaden sposob
        • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:19
          Zawzielam sie ale 2 razy pomylilam pisownie
          Teraz czuje , ze wyjdzie

          muntada.net/pict/baghdad/tahir.jpg
          muntada.net/pict/baghdad/jumhurija.jpg
          muntada.net/pict/baghdad/must.jpg
          muntada.net/pict/baghdad/bazzazin.jpg

          :-)
          • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:21
            I znowu g...
            U mnie w wyszukiwarce ostatnie podane linki wychodza
            • Gość: Samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.157.180.10.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net 17.04.03, 06:16
              Gość portalu: samanta napisał(a):

              > I znowu g...
              > U mnie w wyszukiwarce ostatnie podane linki wychodza
        • Gość: samanta Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.157.180.10.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net 17.04.03, 06:30
    • kochanka Moze samanta 15.04.03, 19:56
      pkaze nam zdjecia przedwojennych pokojow tortur. Moze wywiad z rodzinami
      Irackich olympijczykow ktorzy zgineli po nie udanej probie zdobycia zlotego
      medalu. A moze zdjecia torturowanych dzieci w obliczu rodzin ktore byly uznane
      za przeciwnikow Huseina. A moze zdjecia kurdowskich dzieci zatrutych gazem
      chemicznym lezacych na ulicy kolo tak samo zartutych cial swoich rodzicow.
      Spi..rdalaj z tym zdjeciem dzieciaczka ba rowerku jesli nie jestes gotowa
      pokazac calej prawdy.



      Gość portalu: samanta napisał(a):

      > Ciezko znalezc jakies linki wszedzie sa juz tylko ruiny
      > Jak macie jakies zdjecia to wklejcie
      > Tutaj : ostatni promien slonca ( usmiechniety chlopczyk na rowerku to juz
      > historyczne zdjecie)
      >
      > <a href="www.islam-online.net/english/News/2003-
      03/20/article09.shtml"ta
      > rget="_blank">www.islam-online.net/english/News/2003-
      03/20/article09.shtml</a>
    • kochanka Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna 15.04.03, 20:01
      President of Iraq since 1979 (Vice President from 1968-79). Dictator who stops
      at nothing to preserve personal power and regime survival. After the 1968
      Ba'athist Coup, began his career as Chief of Iraq's security services.

      Executed opponents and suspected potential rivals, including scores of high-
      level government officials and thousands of political prisoners.

      Since the 1970s, escalated and made routine the systematic torture and
      execution of political prisoners.

      Ordered the use of chemical weapons against Iranian forces in the 1980-88 Iran-
      Iraq war, and against Iraq's Kurdish population in 1988. The 1980-88 Iran-Iraq
      war left 150,000 to 340,000 Iraqis and 450,000 to 730,000 Iranians dead.

      Ordered the invasion and destruction of Kuwait in 1990-91 with 1,000 Kuwaitis
      killed.

      Directed the 1991 bloody suppression of Kurdish and Shi'a insurgencies in
      northern and southern Iraq with at least 30,000 to 60,000 killed.

      Ordered the destruction of southern marshes to extinguish the Shi'a insurgency.


      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Qusay Saddam Hussein



      Saddam's second son and heir apparent. Oversees all Iraqi intelligence and
      security services, the Republican Guard, and the Special Republican Guard. In
      2001, was named Deputy of Ba'ath Party's Military Bureau and elected member
      Ba'ath Regional Command.

      Qusay swiftly helps Saddam eliminate any real or perceived threat to the
      regime by using bloody and shocking "tools of repression" to blackmail, force
      confessions, and destroy opponents.

      Authorizes interrogation, jailing, and execution of political prisoners and
      their families.

      Periodically ordered during 1988-99 mass prison executions of several thousand
      inmates ("prison cleansing").

      Led crackdown against the al-Dulaym tribe in 1995 and local Shi'a revolt in
      1997.


      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Uday Saddam Hussein



      Saddam's eldest son, increasingly marginalized in favor of his brother Qusay.
      Editor of Babil newspaper and in control of all Iraqi media, National Assembly
      member, and Chairman of Iraq's Olympic Committee.

      History of extreme violent behavior including murder, torture, and rape of
      women and girls.

      Has tortured and jailed members of Iraq's national Soccer Team for losing
      games.

      A leading regime figure in the wholesale looting of Kuwaiti property.

      Heavily involved in Iraq's smuggling against UN sanctions, and in illicit
      financial dealings.


      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Ali Hasan al-Majid



      Presidential adviser and member of the Revolutionary Command Council.

      Known as "Chemical Ali" and "Butcher of Kurdistan" for atrocities in
      repressing revolts during the 1987-88 Anfal Campaign.

      Ordered the 1988 use of chemical weapons on Halabjah's Kurdish population.

      As Governor of occupied Kuwait in August-November 1990, he brutalized Kuwait
      through torture, murder, rape, and wholesale looting.

      As Interior Minister, he coordinated the brutal suppression of the 1991 Shi'a
      insurgency in Southern Iraq.


      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Muhammad Hamza al-Zubaydi



      Former Prime Minister and former Deputy Prime Minister.

      Known as Saddam's "Shi'a thug", he violently suppressed the 1991 Shi'a
      uprisings after the Gulf War with tens of thousands killed.

      Featured in Iraqi news video kicking and beating captured Shi'a dissidents.

      Presided over the destruction of the southern marshes in 1992-98.

      As Commander of Central Euphrates Region from 1998 to 2000, continued
      repressing Shi'a political-religious activities and unrests.

      Was relieved in 2001 of positions as Deputy Prime Minister and member of the
      Ba'ath Party Regional Command.


      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -

      Aziz Salih Numan



      Ba'ath Party Regional Command member (responsible for the Southern Office);
      former Governor of occupied Kuwait, Basrah, Dhi Qar, An Najaf, and Karbala'.

      According to press reports, ordered the destruction of Shi'a holy sites while
      Governor of Karbala' (1977-83) and An Najaf (1983-86).

      As Governor of occupied Kuwait in November 1990-February 1991, he continued
      the policy of "reintegrating Iraq's 19th province."

      A career Ba'ath functionary, he rose from low-key provincial positions thanks
      to his reputed cruelty, brutal efficiency, and loyalty.
      • Gość: kochanka Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: *.24.221.102.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net 17.04.03, 04:55
    • kochanka Masz zdiecia z Iraku, przed wojna. Bez rowerkow. 15.04.03, 20:02
      usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/crimes/crimes2.htm
      • Gość: samanta Re: Masz zdiecia z Iraku, przed wojna. Bez rowerk IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:05
        Zdjecia miasta rozumiesz?
        Takie bez wojska i gruzow
        Pokaz mi takie zdjecie
        • kochanka Re: Masz zdiecia z Iraku, przed wojna. Bez rowerk 15.04.03, 20:15
          Gość portalu: samanta napisał(a):

          > Zdjecia miasta rozumiesz?
          > Takie bez wojska i gruzow
          > Pokaz mi takie zdjecie


          przestan sie osmieszac z rowerkami! Obywatele tego miasta bali sie slowo od
          siebie wypowiedziec w obawie ze sie komus cos nie spodoba i na smiertelnych
          trorturach zycie ich sie skonczy a ty mi dziecko z rowerkiem podstwaiasz.
          Stuknij sie w glowe!
      • kochanka Masz zdiecia z Iraku, przed wojna. Bez rowerk 15.04.03, 20:05
        usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/crimes/crimes1.htm
    • kochanka Samanta nagle teskni za Bagdadem: 15.04.03, 20:20
      Iraq: Amnesty Says Baghdad Systematically Tortures Political Prisoners
      By Charles Recknagel

      The human rights group Amnesty International has released a report detailing
      what it calls the systematic torture of political prisoners in Iraq. The
      report says Baghdad uses torture to inflict "horrendous" suffering on those
      suspected of disloyalty to the regime. It also says security forces sometimes
      carry out spontaneous public executions of its enemies or their families to
      terrify witnesses into submission to the state. RFE/RL correspondent Charles
      Recknagel reports:

      Prague, 23 August 2001 (RFE/RL)
      • Gość: samanta Re: Samanta nagle teskni za Bagdadem: IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:30
        Na co mi przysylasz te artykuly ?
        Czy to nie dziwne , ze wszystkie zdjecia miasta zostaly wycofane z internetu?
        Duzo czasu zajelo mi wyszukiwanie a co znalazlam nie daje sie wydrukowac
        Ostatnie linki podane przeze mnie o godz 20. 19 mozna odtworzyc tylko w
        wyszukiwarce
        Jesli ktos chce sobie popatrzec na zdjecia "historyczne" miasta i zycie jego
        mieszkancow to zapraszam

        Wczoraj pisalam , ze widokowki Damaszku tez moga byc juz niedlugo przeszloscia
        • kochanka Naprawde byly usuniete? przez kogo?dlaczego 15.04.03, 20:44
          images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.sense-agency.com/senseadmin/slike/photo/IRAK-Bagdad.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sense-
          agency.com/portal/business/index.php&h=304&w=450&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBagdad%
          26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
          • kochanka Re: Naprawde byly usuniete? Sama sobie przegladaj 15.04.03, 20:45
            images.google.com/images?q=Bagdad&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
        • kochanka Nie ma zdjec z Baghdadu? Byly Usuniete???? 15.04.03, 20:50
          images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=City+of+Baghdad&spell=1
    • kochanka Czytaj co Sadam robil z tymi dziecmi na rowerkach 15.04.03, 20:23
      Nadal ci szkoda Bagdadu? Ruiny mozna odbudowac zamordowanych ludzi i
      torturowanych dzieci NIE!


      news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253.stm

      By John Sweeney
      BBC correspondent in Iraq



      The star witness against the government of Iraq hobbled into the room, her
      legs braced with clumsy metal callipers. "Anna" had been tortured two years
      ago. She is now four years old.

      Her father, Ali, is a thick-set Iraqi who used to work for Saddam's
      psychopathic son, Uday. Some time after the bungled assassination of Uday, Ali
      fell under suspicion.
      Saddam's secret police have been accused of torturing children


      He fled north, to the Kurdish safe haven policed by Western fighter planes,
      but leaving his wife and daughter behind in Baghdad.

      So the secret police came for his wife. Where is he? They tortured her. And
      when she didn't break, they tortured his daughter.

      "When did you last see your father? Has he phoned? Has he been in contact?"
      They half-crushed the toddler's feet.

      Now, she doesn't walk, she hobbles, and Ali fears that Saddam's men have
      crippled his daughter for life. So Ali talked to us.

      I have been to Baghdad a number of times. Being in Iraq is like creeping
      around inside someone else's migraine. The fear is so omnipresent you could
      almost eat it. No one talks.

      So listening to Ali speak freely was a revelation. He is not exactly a
      contender to be the next Archbishop of Canterbury.

      He has the heft of an enforcer. He told me that he had tortured for the
      regime. But I don't think he was lying to us.

      'Faked funerals'

      Ali talked about the paranoid frenzy that rules Baghdad - the tortures, the
      killings, the corruption, the crazy gangster violence of Saddam and his two
      sons.

      And the faking of the mass baby funerals.

      You may have seen them on TV. Small white coffins parading through the streets
      of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, an angry crowd of mourners, condemning
      Western sanctions for killing the children of Iraq.



      They used to collect children's bodies and put them in freezers for two, three
      or even six or seven months

      Usefully, the ages of the dead babies - "three days old", "four days old" -
      are written in English on the coffins. I wonder who did that.

      Ali gave us the inside track on the racket. There aren't enough dead babies
      around. So the regime stores them for a mass funeral.

      He said that he was friends with a taxi driver - he gave his name - whose son
      had a position in the regime.

      Ali continued, he told me that he had to go to Najaf - a town 160km (100
      miles) from Baghdad - in order to bring children's bodies from various
      freezers there, and that the smell was unbearable.

      They used to collect children's bodies and put them in freezers for two, three
      or even six or seven months - God knows - until the smell got unbearable.

      Then, they arrange the mass funerals. The logic being, the more dead babies,
      the better for Saddam. That way, he can weaken public support in the West for
      sanctions.

      That means that parents who have lost a baby can't bury it until the regime
      says so.

      So how could it be that people would put up with this sickening exploitation
      of grief?

      A murder story

      Ali told another story. He had seen Uday kill with his own eyes. This was some
      years ago, before the assassination attempt left Saddam's oldest son half-
      paralysed and impotent.

      Uday's lust is famous in Baghdad. He wanted a woman who played tennis at
      Baghdad's Sports Club and he and Ali went round to the club.


      A witness saw Saddam Hussein's son, Uday, murder another man

      As Uday was turning into the car park, a tennis ball came over the fence and
      bounced against the car of the woman he desired.

      The tennis player came into the car park to retrieve the ball, apologised to
      the woman. Maybe there was a bit of flirting - that does happen at tennis
      courts, even in England.

      From his car Uday watched the two of them. Enraged, he took out a wooden cosh
      and beat the tennis player's brains out.

      And then - get this - a few days later, the dead man's relatives apologised to
      Uday for the distress their son had caused him.

      Incredible? I don't think so.

      In northern Iraq - the only part of the country where people can speak freely -
      we met six other witnesses who had direct experience of child torture,
      including another of Saddam's enforcers - now in a Kurdish prison - who told
      us that an interrogator could do anything:

      "We could make a kebab out of the child if we wanted to." And then he
      chuckled.


      Angry crowds of mourners condemn the West's sanctions

      In that environment, with that background noise of fear, it is not impossible
      to imagine that the government of Iraq could have conned the world, inventing
      numbers of dead babies that the gullible - and that includes the United
      Nations - accept as reliable.

      While we were in the north of Iraq, the chairman of the Great Britain Iraq
      Society, Labour MP George Galloway, was in Baghdad.

      He popped up on Iraqi TV and bared his soul. "When I hear the word Iraq," he
      said, "I hear someone calling my name."

      I don't. When I hear the word Iraq, I hear a tortured child, screaming.
      • kochanka Wiecej o torturowanych dzieciach Bagdadu. 15.04.03, 20:26
        Dalej ci szkoda Bagdadu? Ile razy tam bylas ze nagle jestes w tym miescie tak
        zakochana?


        Saddam Tortures Children
        25-Jun-2002


        Saddam Hussein
        An assassination attempt on Saddam Hussein’s son Qusai, who is the heir to his
        throne, means that succession may not be as smooth as Saddam would like. There
        are rumors that Saddam may want to voluntarily step down in favor of Qusai, in
        order to gather favor with Europe. He also may want to appease the U.S., since
        Bush has announced he would like the CIA to do away with Hussein.

        Qusai, who is the younger son of Saddam, survived a car bombing on June 9 in
        Baghdad when his car was booby- trapped. The opposition Supreme Revolutionary
        Council, a Shiite group backed by Iran, says Qusai was heading for the
        headquarters of Iraqi General Intelligence when he was attacked. Qusai was
        about to enter a waiting car that was rigged with a large bomb that came from
        a Soviet RPG-7 rocket launcher. But before he could get in the car, Qusai was
        told to get in another car. The Shiite group did not take credit for the
        assassination attempt.

        In 1996, Shiite insurgents tried to kill Uday Hussein, Qusai's older brother
        who is said to be a dangerous psychopath. Uday was badly injured and much of
        his authority was transferred to Qusai.

        Meanwhile, Saddam claims that thousands of Iraq’s children are being
        assassinated due to the U.S. embargo. BBC TV reporter John Sweeney says this
        isn’t true. In fact, he finds Hussein guilty of actually torturing children.

        On a documentary shown in the U.K., Sweeney describes a little girl who was
        tortured at the age of two. At age four, she still has trouble walking. She
        was tortured because her father was accused of involvement in the plot to kill
        Saddam Hussein's son Uday. He was once part of Saddam’s inner circle. He fled,
        but the secret police came for his wife and tortured her. When she wouldn't
        speak, they tortured her daughter in front of her. The father says, “They had
        a wooden stick. They would squeeze her feet and ask, ‘Has Daddy called you?’
        and ‘Does Daddy contact you?’”

        Saddam claims that over a million Iraqi children are dead, due to U.S.
        sanctions, but many Iraqis dispute that number. The little girl’s father says
        Iraq has faked mass baby funerals, to provide “evidence” of the 7,000 children
        under age 5 that Saddam claims are dying each month from the sanctions.

        Tiny coffins, decorated with photographs of dead babies and their ages
        (written in English for the convenience of foreign journalists) are regularly
        paraded through the streets of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, led by official
        mourners.

        The father of the tortured girl relates that one taxi driver said to him, “I
        went to Najaf [a town 100 miles south of Baghdad] a couple of days ago. I
        brought back two bodies of children for one of the mass funerals. The smell
        was very strong.”

        He says, “The taxi driver didn't know how long they'd been in freezers,
        perhaps six or seven months. The drivers would collect them from the regions
        and would be informed of when a mass funeral was arranged so they would be
        ready. Certainly, they would collect bodies of children who had died months
        before and been held for the mass processions.” A Western journalist went to
        the Baghdad mortuary, where a doctor showed him a pile of dead babies, who
        were waiting for the next official funeral procession. The parents often
        object to this, since it prevents the immediate burial of their children,
        which is mandated in the Muslim tradition—but there’s nothing they can do
        about it.

        Saddam claims that children’s deaths in the early 90s, after the Gulf War,
        were also caused by cancers and birth defects from depleted uranium weapons,
        but this doesn’t make scientific sense. According to Dr. Nick Plowman, head of
        clinical oncology at St Bartholomew's Hospital in London, the claim “is
        ridiculous. It flies in the face of everything learned from Hiroshima and
        Nagasaki.” Bombs that fell in 1991 could not have caused cancers or birth
        defects so soon, even if they were fast-growing cancers.

        Richard Guthrie, a chemical weapons researcher at Sussex University,
        says, “It's much more likely to be chemical weapons. There are serious
        clusters of cancers in the south of Iraq near Basra. In the late Eighties,
        Basra was almost taken by Iranian human-wave offensives, and Saddam stopped
        these by dropping chemical weapons on them and, by accident, on his own
        people.”

        See June 19 news story, “Saddam May Step Down Before He’s Taken Out”, click
        here.

        Why were neither of these stories reported anywhere in the U.S. media (except
        here!) Why aren’t we told what’s really going on in the world? To find out how
        Big Government and Big Business sugar-coats the news, read “Into the Buzzsaw”
        by Kristina Borjesson, click here.
        • kochanka Wiecej o dzieciach na rowerkach: 15.04.03, 20:27
          How Saddam 'staged' fake baby funerals

          The Iraqi dictator says his country's children are dying in their thousands
          because of the West's embargoes. John Sweeney, in a TV documentary to be shown
          tonight, says the figures are bogus. Here he reports from Iraq on his findings
          Terrorism crisis - Observer special
          Observer Worldview

          Sunday June 23, 2002
          The Observer

          The witness against the government of Iraq walked stiffly into the room, metal
          callipers buckled to heavy medical shoes. They had tortured her two years ago.
          She is now four.
          Her father had been suspected of involvement in a plot to kill Saddam
          Hussein's psychopathic son, Uday. He fled to the north of Iraq, but the secret
          police, the mukhabarat, came for his wife, still in Baghdad, and tortured her.
          When she wouldn't break, they tortured 'Anna' in front of her.

          Her father, 'Ali', is a thick-set Iraqi who worked in Saddam's privileged
          inner circle. He described what they did to her: 'They had a wooden stick.
          They would squeeze her feet and ask "Has Daddy called you?" - she understood -
          "Does Daddy contact you?"'

          She is a victim of Saddam's brutality, proof that he is prepared to dispense
          violence against even his country's children. By a cruel irony, her father is
          also witness to Saddam's efforts to portray those same children as victims of
          Western sanctions, which he claims have cost hundreds of thousands of young
          lives.

          Osama bin Laden justified the 11 September attack on America by referring to a
          million dead Iraqi children - killed by sanctions. But there is a belief among
          many Iraqis that Saddam is inventing the numbers.

          Ali, outraged that Saddam's torturers may have crippled his daughter for life,
          spoke openly about how the regime's propaganda has faked mass baby funerals -
          'evidence' of the 7,000 children under five the regime claims are being
          killed each month by sanctions.

          Small coffins, decorated with grisly photographs of dead babies and their
          ages - 'three days', 'four days', written usefully for the English-speaking
          media - are paraded through the streets of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, the
          procession led by a throng of official mourners.

          There is only one problem. Because there are not enough dead babies around,
          the regime prevents parents from burying infants immediately, in the Muslim
          tradition, to create more powerful propaganda.

          The taxi drivers do what they are told - as everybody does in Saddam's Iraq -
          to their evident disgust. Before Ali defected to the north, one friend of his,
          a taxi driver, explained how it worked: 'I went to Najaf [a town 100 miles
          south of Baghdad] a couple of days ago. I brought back two bodies of children
          for one of the mass funerals. The smell was very strong.'

          Ali continued: 'The taxi driver didn't know how long they'd been in freezers,
          perhaps six or seven months. The drivers would collect them from the regions
          and would be informed of when a mass funeral was arranged so they would be
          ready. Certainly, they would collect bodies of children who had died months
          before and been held for the mass processions.'

          A second, Western source, went to visit visited a Baghdad hospital and, when
          the official Iraqi minder was absent, was taken to the mortuary. There, a
          doctor showed the source a number of dead babies, lying stacked in the
          mortuary, waiting for the next official procession.

          Anna was the youngest witness to child torture by the Iraqi government in an
          investigation, The Mother of All Ironies, to be broadcast by BBC2's
          Correspondent today. It found six other adult witnesses in the Kurdish safe
          haven in the north - the only part of Iraq where people are free to speak.

          The most chilling witness was one of Saddam's torturers, who was captured
          spying against the Kurds this year. 'Kamal' told us: 'They would bring the son
          in front of his parents, who were handcuffed or tied, and would start off with
          simple methods of torture, such as cigarette burns. Then they started using
          other methods of torture, more serious ones.

          'They would tell the father that they'd slaughter his son, and they'd bring a
          bayonet out, and if the parents didn't confess they'd kill the child. 'The
          interrogator has the right to kill the child, or perform any other butchery,
          whatever's necessary.' And then Kamal chuckled.

          It is an absolute of the government of Iraq - and others - that thousands of
          Iraqi children are dying every month because of sanctions. We managed to get a
          cameraman to accompany a fact-finding trip into Iraq this year by the Great
          Britain-Iraq Society, led by its chairman, Labour MP George Galloway.

          At the start of the trip Galloway, in Iraq for the ninth time in two-and-a-
          half years, said: 'Every six minutes an Iraqi child will have died under the
          embargo. That's every six minutes of every day, of every night, every year for
          12 years.'

          In 1999 Unicef, in co-operation with the Iraqi government, made a
          retrospective projection of 500,000 excess child deaths in the 1990s. The
          projection is open to question. It was based on data from within a regime that
          tortures children with impunity. All but one of the researchers used by Unicef
          were employees of the Ministry of Health, according to the Lancet.

          The dead babies are blamed by Saddam's regime on cancers and birth defects
          which first appeared in 1991 and were, it says, caused by depleted uranium
          weapons. While no one should underestimate the lethality of these weapons and
          the stupidity of the US military machine, the claim does not make radiological
          sense. According to Dr Nick Plowman, head of clinical oncology at St
          Bartholomew's Hospital, London, the claim 'is ridiculous. It flies in the face
          of everything learnt from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.'

          Cancers do not develop overnight. Bombs that fell in 1991 could not have
          caused cancers or birth defects in that year. Fast leukaemias might occur in
          four or five years, heavy tumours around now, said Plowman.

          Richard Guthrie, a chemical weapons researcher at Sussex University,
          said: 'It's much more likely to be chemical weapons. There are serious
          clusters of cancers in the south of Iraq near Basra. In the late Eighties,
          Basra was almost taken by Iranian human-wave offensives, and Saddam stopped
          these by dropping chemical weapons on them and, by accident, on his own people.

          www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,742303,00.html
      • Gość: samanta Re: Czytaj co Sadam robil z tymi dziecmi na rower IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 15.04.03, 20:39
        Tak niby mozna odbudowac ruiny
        a jak mowisz o ludzkim zyciu to policz ile ludzi umiera w szpitalach z powodu
        niedopatrzenia
        Busz poszedl niesc wolnosc ale zapomnial o podstawowych wartosciach
        humanitarnych i wprowadzeniu porzadku bo jak sie mowi A to trzeba jeszcze
        dolaczyc B
        On na A niestety tylko poprzestal
        Ludzie umieraja dzien w dzien a kto przezyje zostanie do konca zycia kaleka
        lub sierota
        z nadmiaru pracy i braku podstawowych srodkow najlatwiej jest cos amputowac bo
        to jedyna szansa na przezycie

        Czym rozni sie tortura busza od tortury Saddama?

        • kochanka Re: Czytaj co Sadam robil z tymi dziecmi na rower 15.04.03, 20:57
          Gość portalu: samanta napisał(a):

          > Tak niby mozna odbudowac ruiny
          > a jak mowisz o ludzkim zyciu to policz ile ludzi umiera w szpitalach z
          powodu
          > niedopatrzenia
          > Busz poszedl niesc wolnosc ale zapomnial o podstawowych wartosciach
          > humanitarnych i wprowadzeniu porzadku bo jak sie mowi A to trzeba jeszcze
          > dolaczyc B
          > On na A niestety tylko poprzestal
          > Ludzie umieraja dzien w dzien a kto przezyje zostanie do konca zycia kaleka
          > lub sierota
          > z nadmiaru pracy i braku podstawowych srodkow najlatwiej jest cos amputowac
          bo
          > to jedyna szansa na przezycie
          >
          > Czym rozni sie tortura busza od tortury Saddama?

          Tyle ze to nie jest tortura tylko wojna ktora juz sie konczy i cierpienie
          ludzi sie tez skonczy. Sankcje UN sie skoncza, toruroiwanie sie skonczy, itd.

          Czy nie warto bylo pokonac Hitlera poniewaz walka z nim kosztowala tysiace
          niewinnych cywilow? Hussein zabil 1000 rzy tyle niewinnych osob i zabilby
          jescze drugie tyle niz wojna ktora mu wladze odebrala. Moze lepiej nie
          zaczynac z tyranem ktory wymordowal juz setki tysiedcy ludzi poniewaz w keaju
          sa cywile? A wojsku Irackim chowajacym sie wsrod cywilow i w szpitalach
          slyszalas?
          • graeme Re: Sadamanta 15.04.03, 21:07
            czytalem kilka twoich tekstow i nie moge oprzec sie wrazeniu, ze wszystko co
            mowisz bierze sie bardziej z patologicznej nienawisci ameryki niz milosci do
            saddama czy chlopczyka na rowerku. irak czy korea, nie maja znaczenia.
            ty po prostu nienawidzisz amerykanow.
            zgadzam sie generalnie z tym co piszesz. wojny sa barbarzynskie w swojej
            naturze. nie ma ladnych wojen. wojny jednak zdarzaja sie i beda sie zdarzac.
            taka jest ludzka natura, czego dowodzi nasza historia.
            czy wojen nie powinno byc? oczywiscie, ze nie! czy wojny beda w przyszlosci?
            oczywisci, ze tak! czy wszyscy ludzie na swiecie powinni sie kochac? na 100%
            tak! czy tak kiedys bedzie?
            banalnosc takich pytan nie zasluguje na odpowiedz.
    • Gość: - Re: Taki byl Bagdad przed wojna IP: 168.103.126.* 16.04.03, 21:32
      BAGHDAD
      • Gość: samanta Re:DLA TYCH,KTORYM SIE NIE PODOBAL CHLOPIEC Z ROWE IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 16.04.03, 21:57
        Dla tych , ktorym sie nie podobalo zdjecie chlopca
        mam dobra wiadomosc

        Chlopiec na rowerku juz nie pojezdzi bo :
        a) Oberwalo mu rece
        b) urwalo mu nogi i nie ma czym pedalowac
        c) ukradli mu rowerek
        d)www.gazeta.pl/forum/794674,30353,794652.html?f=50&w=5673144

        Spijcie wiec spokojnie i myslcie jak to Saddam torturowal dzieci
        • Gość: samanta Re:DLA TYCH,KTORYM SIE NIE PODOBAL CHLOPIEC Z ROW IP: *.kabel.telenet.be 16.04.03, 22:04
          d) Zolnierz USA zabil 12letniego chlopca w Iraku
          gosc: Krzys 16.04.2003 godz 02.52

          ( chlopak tez jezdzil na rowerze )
          • mojito Samanta, comment allez-vous? 17.04.03, 02:12
            Witaj Samanto,
            Badz uprzejma wyjasnic mi dlaczego poirytowani Francuzi mowia: "Ta mere est
            belge!" i "Ouvre les yeux, imbecile!".
            Pozostaje z podziwem nieklamanym.
    • Gość: Mis Nie rob wody z mozgu, dopiero teraz jest tam spoko IP: *.acn.waw.pl 17.04.03, 02:13
      i nikt mnie nie przekona - operacja byla potrzebna,. Ci ludzie ejszcze sie boja
      bac. sa WPLNI a to jest to czego potrzebuje cżłowiek!
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