Tolerancja- do redakcji

Gość: Elzbieta APEL DO MLODYCH POLAKOW IP: *.sympatico.ca 27.02.03, 06:06

Apel do Mlodych Polakow:

Kochajcie Polske, bo tylko ja macie !

Zyjcie dla niej, walczcie o nia, pracujcie dla niej.

To Wasza Matka.

Matka - ciezko zniewazona.

***************************************************************

Pamietajcie tez o bardzo odleglych dziejach, o Raju - skad wszyscy pochodzimy.

Ninos Aho & Yosip Bet Yosip
Impulse: “The Calling of the New Assyrian”
By Mr. Abdulmesih BarAbrahem, Germany
President of the Kuratorium of the Yoken Bar Yoken Foundation
This review also appeared in the Music Corner
of the Assyrian Star magazine’s Volume LIV, Number 4
and in Zinda Magazine’s November 25, 2002 issue

Ninos Aho & Yosip Bet-Yosip

The Calling of the New Assyrian is the second jointly published collection of
poems by Ninos Aho and Yosip Bet Yosip; the first ensemble was produced and
published in the early 1970s under the title Atoraya Khata – the Modern
Assyrian. The new collection introduces a composition of new poems – with a few
renditions of their classics - on two CDs, one by each artist. While Ninos Aho
presents his lyrics in both east and west vernacular Assyrian dialects (Swadaya
and Turoyo) well polished by classic Syriac, Yosip Bet Yosip reads in East
Assyrian only(1).

The listener, at first, is overwhelmed by the comprehensiveness of the
collection consisting of one powerful poem after another. Indeed, the
compilation of such magnitude on modern media(2) marks a great accomplishment
that can be classified as a milestone in contemporary Assyrian poetry.

If one can set aside some time for careful listening and reflection, which is a
pre-requisite to appreciate this marvelous collection, it becomes evident that
the lyrics can only come from someone who was involved from the early days in
organizations who shaped our nation’s Umtanayuta. Ninos was a second generation
Mtakasto (Mtakasta) (Assyrian Democratic Organization) activist while Yosip was
a member of the Youth Organization acting as founder of Huyada (Assyrian
Universal Alliance).

Their message marks a continuation in the footsteps of well-known great
teachers and fathers of Assyrian nationalism and to a certain extent
revolutionaries like Freydon Aturaya, Adday Alkhas, Yuhanon Qashisho, and
William Daniel.

Ninos Aho was born on April 24, 1945 (Nisan of the Assyrian Year 6695) in the
small village of Girkeh-Shamo in the Syrian-part of Mesopotamia.

From his early youth, Ninos was interested and moved by the teachings of the
Assyrian national leaders like Naum Faiq and Farid Nuzha. He believed in
national activism with high ethics and dedication. He diligently worked and
continues to work towards the revival of Assyrian culture, heritage and unity.
He has written numerous articles, and poems published in Assyrian magazines.
Ninos’ mastery of the eastern Assyrian dialect is no surprise at all if one
knows that in 1972 he had the privilege to have the late and great poet Rabbie
William Daniel as his teacher.

Ninos is powerfully eloquent in his poems. His lyrics are the basis for dozens
of romantic and national songs compiled and published in 2000(3) as an
Anthology.

The statement “continuing to deliver his nationalistic ideology through his
poems” in his biography, makes me fully convinced that he has his guidance from
the late Malfono Naum Faiq’s nationalism about whom David Perley wrote in a
biographical study (4):“…he [Faiq] transformed the inmost truth of his nation
into verse”.

Yosip Bet-Yosip was born on April 15, 1942 (Nisan of the Assyrian Year 6692) in
the village of Zumalan, a village in the region of Urmia., Persian-part of
Mesopotamia. In his early youth Yosip was eagerly interested in Assyrian
culture and heritage and listened curiously to traditional songs, poetry, and
story-telling conducted by the local elders. He joined Shushata Umtanaya
(National Progress), a well-known Assyrian youth organization and became more
involved in Assyrian organizations. He was involved in the establishment of the
first ever Assyrian library project in Iran.

In 1968 Yosip witnessed the founding of the Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA).
Along with Maestro Nebu Isaabey’s music his lyrics were selected as the first
Assyrian National Anthem (Romrama). He has written numerous poems, articles,
and coral lyrics and is an active member of the Assyrian Choir in San Jose/CA.
His most recent activity was – among others - the presentation of “The Garden
of Gods – My Homeland Bet-Nahrain” at the World Congress of Poets held in Iasi,
Romania during October 2002.

Both poets, one being from the West the other one from the East not only span a
cosmos of nationalistic Mesopotamian heritage, they share a deep friendship for
decades. Knowing both of them(5), I’m convinced that their friendship serves as
one key source for their inspiration as well.

Images & Concepts

Personally, the great discovery of this collection is that both poets
masterfully tackle themes of nation, ancient history and its modern
interpretations by applying strong images and concepts. They associate the
glorious past of pre-Christian authorities (e.g. by referencing such ancient
Assyrian deities and figures as Ashur, Tammuz, Ishtar, Gilgamesh along with
metropolis like Nineveh, Akkad) with modern themes of nationalism and unity
without missing the elements of the Christian Era.

Ninos’ images for instance pull you into each poem and deep into history and
back to modern places of Assyrian presence. While listening, it is difficult
resisting a seductive meta-level of feelings.

Yosip applies strong and powerful messages as well. Even though he is embedding
his messages into contextual information, certain historical knowledge is
expected to follow. He presents his messages in a chronological fashion,
consequently forcing the listener to be fixed into a thoughtful state, yet
delightful.

Ninos’ poems are a potent force in the ongoing reinforcement of the homogenous
yet multi-denominational Assyrian nationalist identity. Furthermore, poetic
interpretations of history as a narrative of the past synthesized into the
present of Assyrians projected on their historic homeland Beth-Nahrin as
presented by Yosip have the same reinforcing effect.

Ninos recites and articulates strongly. Yosip sounds like a distant messenger,
though both carrying heart-touching messages. The series of poems pulls the
careful listener into a journey riding over a rainbow that spans thousands of
years, while its colors symbolize the different cultural, religious and
national facets along the timeline of Assyrian history.

As an example, I would like to touch few of the poems that stand out the most
for me, acknowledging that this is a subjective and random choice only. The
poem Yuhanon Qashisho for instance is more than a wonderful obituary to the
former teacher and editor of Hujada magazine. Despite the teariness Ninos
triggers about a great lost, he masters to sow hope through a powerful link in
placing him as a consort and pupil to the great figures like Naum Faiq, Yuhanon
Dolabani, Ashur Yusuf and Freydon Aturaya. He calls them to be prepared to
welcome him accordingly.

In different poems Ninos recalls memories of the early years in the national
movement in Chicago, touches events and encounters, formulates a poetic reply
to Professor Oppenheim. He dedicates a beautiful poem to the reunion of friends
in Qamishly not missing to give homage to Girke Shamo, his birthplace. The
latter has been wonderfully vocalized by Ninib Lahdo, born in Girke Shamo as
well.

Alpa Shinne meqim Mshiha is a lamentation about lost of homeland. Most striking
for me is its beautiful style – through

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Gość: Elzbieta Re: Tolerancja- do redakcji IP: *.sympatico.ca 14.02.03, 05:08

Ja juz nic nie rozumiem.

Czy w Polsce az tak duzo ludzi ma problemy z wlasna glowa ?

Pisze cytujac " Swieta, milosci kochanej Ojczyzny" - nazywa sie mnie...........
O Boze, zapomnialam. Uzyto wszystkich mozliwych epitetow ze slownika
Doroszewskiego. Zeby nie byc goloslowna - ty szmato.

Nie zlamalam zadnego przepisu. Strona nie jest moja strona prywatna. Jest
redagowana we Francji. Autora nigdy na oczy nie widzialam.

Domyslam sie, skad ta erupcja nienawisci, ale prosze nie przesadzac !
Gość: Elzbieta Re: Tolerancja- do redakcji IP: *.sympatico.ca 14.02.03, 11:44

"A wiedz o tym, ze w dniach ostatnich nastana chwile trudne. Ludzie bowiem beda
samolubni, chciwi, wyniosli, pyszni, bluzniacy, nieposluszni rodzicom,
niewdzieczni, niegodziwi, bez serca, bezlitosni, miotajacy oszczerstwa,
niepohamowani, bez uczuc ludzkich, nieprzychylni, zdrajcy, zuchwali, nadeci,
milujacy bardziej rozkosz niz Boga. Beda okazywac pozór poboznosci, ale
wyrzekna sie jej mocy. I od takich stron. Z takich bowiem sa ci, co wslizguja
sie do domów i przeciagaja na swa strone kobietki obciazone grzechami,
powodowane pozadaniami róznego rodzaju, takie, co to zawsze sie ucza, a nigdy
nie moga dojsc do poznania prawdy. Jak Jannes i Jambres wystapili przeciw
Mojzeszowi, tak tez i ci przeciwstawiaja sie prawdzie, ludzie o spaczonym
umysle, którzy nie zdali egzaminu z wiary. Ale dalszego postepu nie osiagna: bo
ich bezmyslnosc bedzie jawna dla wszystkich, jak i tamtych jawna sie stala."
(2Tm 3 1-9)
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- lucy_fair Re: Tolerancja- do redakcji 14.02.03, 11:52
  
  Wiecie co? Ona zaczyna być nawet zabawna :) Ja wiem, że szatan mnie omotał i
  przemawia przeze mnie, no ale co zrobić Elu, takie czasy. O Tempora!
  - Gość: Elzbieta Re: Tolerancja- do redakcji IP: *.sympatico.ca 14.02.03, 18:32
    
    Gazeta.pl > Forum > Regionalne > Śląskie > Katowice Piątek, 14 lutego 2003
    
    Katowice
    
    zadnej tolerancji dla... Tolerancji
    Autor: Gość: Dejavu IP: *.kennisnet.nl
    Data: 14-02-2003 11:48 + odpowiedz na list
    
    + odpowiedz cytując
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    numbat napisał:
    
    > Gosc Forum Wroclaw map:4
    > napisal:
    > " Tolerowalem do tej pory te pierdoly,
    > poniewaz wyglaszane byly w zgodzie
    > z art.49 Konstytucji( Wolnosc komunikowania sie).
    > Lecz teraz szanowna Elzbieta przesadzila.
    >
    > DO ADMINISTRATORA FORUM:
    > Wnosze o uniemozliwienie Elzbiecie (poprzez blokade jej IP)
    > korzystanie z forum "Gazety Wyborczej".
    > Podstawa jej jest zlamanie art.6 regulaminu forum, czyli
    > w tym przypadku wysylanie wiadomosci ktorych jedynym
    > celem jest reklamowanie wlasnej strony
    > (poprzedni list w tym watku).
    > Licze na szybka i jednoznaczna reakcje.map.4
    >
    > inny cytat:
    > "Ja ze swoiej strony dodalbym, wlasciciela chyba w tej chwili
    > kilkudziesieciu nikow- ( IP.203.36.162)
    > ktory spamuje wszystkie polskie forum "
    
    >
    Post powyzszy przypomina nam fragment z Brzechwy (Akademia Pana Kleksa), gdzie
    to jamniki przekonywaly,ze najladniejsze nogi są krzywe. A takze haslo z
    krzyzowki: "poglady dziela sie na moje i glupie"
    - Gość: Elzbieta APEL DO MLODYCH POLAKOW IP: *.sympatico.ca 27.02.03, 06:06
      
      Apel do Mlodych Polakow:
      
      Kochajcie Polske, bo tylko ja macie !
      
      Zyjcie dla niej, walczcie o nia, pracujcie dla niej.
      
      To Wasza Matka.
      
      Matka - ciezko zniewazona.
      
      ***************************************************************
      
      Pamietajcie tez o bardzo odleglych dziejach, o Raju - skad wszyscy pochodzimy.
      
      Ninos Aho & Yosip Bet Yosip
      Impulse: “The Calling of the New Assyrian”
      By Mr. Abdulmesih BarAbrahem, Germany
      President of the Kuratorium of the Yoken Bar Yoken Foundation
      This review also appeared in the Music Corner
      of the Assyrian Star magazine’s Volume LIV, Number 4
      and in Zinda Magazine’s November 25, 2002 issue
      
      Ninos Aho & Yosip Bet-Yosip
      
      The Calling of the New Assyrian is the second jointly published collection of
      poems by Ninos Aho and Yosip Bet Yosip; the first ensemble was produced and
      published in the early 1970s under the title Atoraya Khata – the Modern
      Assyrian. The new collection introduces a composition of new poems – with a few
      renditions of their classics - on two CDs, one by each artist. While Ninos Aho
      presents his lyrics in both east and west vernacular Assyrian dialects (Swadaya
      and Turoyo) well polished by classic Syriac, Yosip Bet Yosip reads in East
      Assyrian only(1).
      
      The listener, at first, is overwhelmed by the comprehensiveness of the
      collection consisting of one powerful poem after another. Indeed, the
      compilation of such magnitude on modern media(2) marks a great accomplishment
      that can be classified as a milestone in contemporary Assyrian poetry.
      
      If one can set aside some time for careful listening and reflection, which is a
      pre-requisite to appreciate this marvelous collection, it becomes evident that
      the lyrics can only come from someone who was involved from the early days in
      organizations who shaped our nation’s Umtanayuta. Ninos was a second generation
      Mtakasto (Mtakasta) (Assyrian Democratic Organization) activist while Yosip was
      a member of the Youth Organization acting as founder of Huyada (Assyrian
      Universal Alliance).
      
      Their message marks a continuation in the footsteps of well-known great
      teachers and fathers of Assyrian nationalism and to a certain extent
      revolutionaries like Freydon Aturaya, Adday Alkhas, Yuhanon Qashisho, and
      William Daniel.
      
      Ninos Aho was born on April 24, 1945 (Nisan of the Assyrian Year 6695) in the
      small village of Girkeh-Shamo in the Syrian-part of Mesopotamia.
      
      From his early youth, Ninos was interested and moved by the teachings of the
      Assyrian national leaders like Naum Faiq and Farid Nuzha. He believed in
      national activism with high ethics and dedication. He diligently worked and
      continues to work towards the revival of Assyrian culture, heritage and unity.
      He has written numerous articles, and poems published in Assyrian magazines.
      Ninos’ mastery of the eastern Assyrian dialect is no surprise at all if one
      knows that in 1972 he had the privilege to have the late and great poet Rabbie
      William Daniel as his teacher.
      
      Ninos is powerfully eloquent in his poems. His lyrics are the basis for dozens
      of romantic and national songs compiled and published in 2000(3) as an
      Anthology.
      
      The statement “continuing to deliver his nationalistic ideology through his
      poems” in his biography, makes me fully convinced that he has his guidance from
      the late Malfono Naum Faiq’s nationalism about whom David Perley wrote in a
      biographical study (4):“…he [Faiq] transformed the inmost truth of his nation
      into verse”.
      
      Yosip Bet-Yosip was born on April 15, 1942 (Nisan of the Assyrian Year 6692) in
      the village of Zumalan, a village in the region of Urmia., Persian-part of
      Mesopotamia. In his early youth Yosip was eagerly interested in Assyrian
      culture and heritage and listened curiously to traditional songs, poetry, and
      story-telling conducted by the local elders. He joined Shushata Umtanaya
      (National Progress), a well-known Assyrian youth organization and became more
      involved in Assyrian organizations. He was involved in the establishment of the
      first ever Assyrian library project in Iran.
      
      In 1968 Yosip witnessed the founding of the Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA).
      Along with Maestro Nebu Isaabey’s music his lyrics were selected as the first
      Assyrian National Anthem (Romrama). He has written numerous poems, articles,
      and coral lyrics and is an active member of the Assyrian Choir in San Jose/CA.
      His most recent activity was – among others - the presentation of “The Garden
      of Gods – My Homeland Bet-Nahrain” at the World Congress of Poets held in Iasi,
      Romania during October 2002.
      
      Both poets, one being from the West the other one from the East not only span a
      cosmos of nationalistic Mesopotamian heritage, they share a deep friendship for
      decades. Knowing both of them(5), I’m convinced that their friendship serves as
      one key source for their inspiration as well.
      
      Images & Concepts
      
      Personally, the great discovery of this collection is that both poets
      masterfully tackle themes of nation, ancient history and its modern
      interpretations by applying strong images and concepts. They associate the
      glorious past of pre-Christian authorities (e.g. by referencing such ancient
      Assyrian deities and figures as Ashur, Tammuz, Ishtar, Gilgamesh along with
      metropolis like Nineveh, Akkad) with modern themes of nationalism and unity
      without missing the elements of the Christian Era.
      
      Ninos’ images for instance pull you into each poem and deep into history and
      back to modern places of Assyrian presence. While listening, it is difficult
      resisting a seductive meta-level of feelings.
      
      Yosip applies strong and powerful messages as well. Even though he is embedding
      his messages into contextual information, certain historical knowledge is
      expected to follow. He presents his messages in a chronological fashion,
      consequently forcing the listener to be fixed into a thoughtful state, yet
      delightful.
      
      Ninos’ poems are a potent force in the ongoing reinforcement of the homogenous
      yet multi-denominational Assyrian nationalist identity. Furthermore, poetic
      interpretations of history as a narrative of the past synthesized into the
      present of Assyrians projected on their historic homeland Beth-Nahrin as
      presented by Yosip have the same reinforcing effect.
      
      Ninos recites and articulates strongly. Yosip sounds like a distant messenger,
      though both carrying heart-touching messages. The series of poems pulls the
      careful listener into a journey riding over a rainbow that spans thousands of
      years, while its colors symbolize the different cultural, religious and
      national facets along the timeline of Assyrian history.
      
      As an example, I would like to touch few of the poems that stand out the most
      for me, acknowledging that this is a subjective and random choice only. The
      poem Yuhanon Qashisho for instance is more than a wonderful obituary to the
      former teacher and editor of Hujada magazine. Despite the teariness Ninos
      triggers about a great lost, he masters to sow hope through a powerful link in
      placing him as a consort and pupil to the great figures like Naum Faiq, Yuhanon
      Dolabani, Ashur Yusuf and Freydon Aturaya. He calls them to be prepared to
      welcome him accordingly.
      
      In different poems Ninos recalls memories of the early years in the national
      movement in Chicago, touches events and encounters, formulates a poetic reply
      to Professor Oppenheim. He dedicates a beautiful poem to the reunion of friends
      in Qamishly not missing to give homage to Girke Shamo, his birthplace. The
      latter has been wonderfully vocalized by Ninib Lahdo, born in Girke Shamo as
      well.
      
      Alpa Shinne meqim Mshiha is a lamentation about lost of homeland. Most striking
      for me is its beautiful style – through
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