W Zamościu będzie ulica Orzechowskiego

[peowiec3]

Tekst o debacie to czysta WAZELINA Gazety Wyborczej w stosunku do
Palikota. Wyborcza jest jak Trybuna. Łubu dubu, łubu dubu niech żyje
nam Prezes naszego klubu. Wiesław! Wiesław! Wiesław! I zablokowali
komentarze do tego tekstu!!!! Jest godzina 23.20... Czy to cenzura
jak w PRL?

W Zamościu będzie ulica Orzechowskiego

[california07]

Bedzie wiecej tych ofiar jesli w koncu nie wyofacie wojska z Iraku??
W koncu jaki macie tam interes??Bo Amerykanie sie smieja z tej waszej
"pomocy"-ciagle podobno cos od nich chcecie!!!A sojusznikiem US i
tak nigdy nie zostaniecie-takich "sojusznikow"US ma kilkudziesieciu!!

W Zamościu będzie ulica Orzechowskiego

[Gość: OJ]

ON BYL OKUPANTEM IRAKIJCZYKOW-ONI BRONIA SWOJEGO KRAJU-ZGINAL BEZ
ZADNEGO CELU BO TO NIE NASZA WOJNA WIEC ZADNYCH ULIC NIE WOLNO
NAZYWAC JEGO IMIENIEM-JEST WIELU BOCHATEROW Z II WOJNY SWIATOWEJ
TO NIMI NAZWIJCIE ULICE-NIEDLUGO ZACZNIE WIECEJ POLAKOW GINAC WIEC
NIE STGRCZY NAM ULIC ZEBY ICH NAZWISKAMI NAZYWAC-TO JEST WOJNA USA O
ROPE-WIEC NIECH USA NAZWIE JEGO IMIENIEM ULICE NIE MY !!!!!!

[empi]

Wyłącz caps lock, nie krzycz. To niezgodne z netykietą. Post przez
to nieczytelny.
pzdr.

Dziekuje empi za "wyciszenie" tego... czegos;-}n/t

[Gość: Paul]

Widze ze w tym watku sami specjalisci...

[Gość: Paul]

... to ja "tyz" cos wcisne, nie? A co, wolno mi;-}.Ten oficer BOR'u
zginal przy wykonywaniu czynnosci czysto sluzbowych - wiozl i
chronil ambasadora RP. Wiozl ambasadora do swojej ambasady, nie na
wojne, czy na "okupacyjny dyzur". Wasze wypowiedzi nie sa smieszne,
sa zalosne. Do tego ta so called "california" cos pierdnela -
jej/jego wypowiedz uwazam za barainfart, a ja nie zycze sobie zeby
ktos pierdzial na moim forum. Sprawy tyczace sie sytuacji w Iraq'u,
tzw. "zobowiazan sojuszniczych", oraz sposobu podtrzymywania
partnerskich stosunkow na szczeblu militarnym miedzy rzadem "IV RP"
i texanska mafia bushmana pomijam, bowiem jest to temat na
wielowatkowa ksiazke, a nie post na forum.
Uszanowanie,
Paul
Uszanowanie,
Paul

[Gość: Marceli]

wiem że na ukrinie są nadal ulice okupantów,którzy okupowali polskę
po wojnie ale dlaczego tworzyć ul.okupantów polskich,którzy okupują
Irak!!!takie bajki o terorystach to dzieciom opowiadajcie jesteśmy
zwykłymi okupantami w tamtym kraju więc zginą okupant ale dlaczego
jego nazwiskiem odrazu ulice nazywać,nie wiem:-(

[Gość: Paul]

A na pomoc okupowanym Irakijczykom pospieszyli Palestynczycy,
ochotnicy z Syri, Iranu, wyznawcy Allacha z Europy, a nawet
Czeczenscy bojownicy o wolnosc ... Czeczenii. Dziwna rzecz, ze
glownie atakuja i zabijaja ... nieuzbrojonych Irakijczykow. Do ludzi
w mundurach maskujacych strzelaja rzedko i na szczescie zwykle nie
celnie. IEDs, to inna sprawa, ale miny i pulapki nie dyskryminuja ze
wzgledu na wpis w paszporcie.
Uszanowanie,
Paul

[shawman]

W pełni się zgadzam, Paul, tak z tym postem, jak i z wcześniejszym o obowiązkach
BOR w Iraku.

Przy okazji polecam tę stronę:

www.iraqbodycount.org/
Nie jest 'fajna', wręcz przeciwnie. Ale pouczająca.

[Gość: Paul]

Ja rowniez cos Ci polecam, jestem w posiadaniu pewnego ... hmm
dokumentu, nieoublicznego i napisanego od reki na zamowienie. Jestem
w posiadaniu jedynie "hard copy" w 1 egzeplazu. Dokument ma w sumie
5 stron drobnego maszynopisu, ale rowniez jest bardzo interesujacy.
Postaram sie o wersje na PC i postaram sie Ci go podeslac.
Strone ktora podales znam, wiem ze jest, niech to posluzy za
komentaz.
Uszanowanie,
Paul

Czesc I

[Gość: Paul]

Txt message/personal info. DEL
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1) M-16 rifle:
Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder like
sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you feel filthy
2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine version is
more popular because it’s lighter and shorter, but it has jamming
problems also. They lack the ability to mount various optical
gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon
itself is not great in desert environment.
They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the
cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits can’t be
reliably counted on to put the enemy down.
Fact:
Random autopsies on dead insurgents show a high level of opiate use.

2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): . 223 cal. Drum fed light
machine gun.
Big thumbs down. Universally considered crap. Chronic jamming
problems, most of which require partial disassembly (that’s fun in
the middle of a firefight).

3) The M9 Beretta 9mm:
Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert environment; but they
all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is
actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys hit
multiple times and still in the fight.

4) Mossberg 12ga. military shotgun:
Works well, used frequently for clearing houses to good effect.

5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon it was!).
Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts’em down.
Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are
being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62
round chews up the structure over there.

6) The M2 .50 cal. heavy machine gun:
Thumbs way, way up. “Mea deuce” is still worth her considerable
weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper, puts their dicks in the
dirt every time.
The most coveted weapon in-theater.

7) The .45 pistol:
Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody
authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one.
With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put’em down with a
torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of pistol work)
use the HK military model and love it. The old government model.45’s
are being re-issued en masse.

8) The M-14 7.62mm Nato:
Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in modified
version to special ops guys. Modification include lightweight Kevlar
stoks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the
sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle:
Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like freight
train. Used frequently to take out suicide bombers (we actually stop
a lot of them) and barricaded enemy. It is definitely here to stay.

10) The M24 sniper rifle:
Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300 win magnum. Heavily
modified Remington 700 series.
Great performance. Snipers have been used heavily to great effect.
One marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually
exceeded Carlos Hathcock’s record for confirmed kills with over 100.

11) The new body armor:
Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs. And can reliably be
expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop an AK-47
round. The bad news: hot to wear, almost unbearable in the summer
heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for
head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit about the “old” body
armor making our guys vulnerable to IED’s was non-starter. The IED
explosions are enormous and body armor doesn’t make any difference
at all in most cases.

12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment:
Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and
own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening
prayers. More and more enemy is being whacked at night during
movement by our hunter-killer teams.
We’ve all seen the video material.

13) Lights:
Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are
Surefire’s, and guys love’em. Invaluable for night operations.
Jordan’s guys carry a $34 Surefire G2 on neck lanyard and love it.

I can’t help to notice that most of good fighting weapons and
ordinance are 50 or more years old. With all our technology, it’s
the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants! The infantry
fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or
shown.

Czesc II

[Gość: Paul]

Bad guys weapons:

1) Mostly AK47’s.
The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in the desert than
the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt fed
light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy
mostly shoots like bad. Undisciplined “spray and pray” type of fire.
However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially
sniper rifles (Iran, again).
Fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the marksmanship of
our guys and how they fight. They apparently told in Jihad school
that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be easily
beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Let’s
just say they now know better now.

2) The RPG:
Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys. Simple,
reliable and very common. The enemy responded to our up-armored
Humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank range.
Still killing a lot of our guys.

3) The IED:
The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet anti-
armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot were found in
Jordan’s area of ops in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3
155mm artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated
by cell phone, and the explosions are enormous. You’re not safe in
any vehicle, even an M1 tank. Lately, there are much more
sophisticated “shape charges” (Iranian) specifically designed to
penetrate armor.
Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there.
Fact: Most of ready made IED’s are supplied by Iran, who is also
providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in
their use of tactics. That’s why the attacks have been so deadly
lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being
shape charges, in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like
the cinderblocks that liter Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before
they detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this
war.

4) Mortars and rockets:
Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets (with 18km range) are
becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan’s NCO’s lost a leg to one.
These weapons cause a lot of damage “inside the wire”. Jordan’s base
is hit almost daily by mortar and rocket fire, often at night to
disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (and it is). More of
psychological weapon that anything else. The enemy mortar teams
would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul ass in
a mater of seconds.

5) Bad guy technology:
Simple yet effective. Most communication is by cell and satellite
phones, and also by e-mail on laptops. They use handheld GPS units
for navigation and “Googleearth” for overhead views of our
positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent.
Their explosives and bomb technology is top of the line. Night
vision is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the
captured GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when
captured.

6) Who are the bad guys:
Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They
operate mostly in Anbar province – Fallujah and Ramadi. These are
mostly “foreigners”, non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over
the Muslim world (and Europe). Mosr enter Iraq through Syria and
travel down the “rat line”. It is done with the knowledge and
complicity of the Syrian govt. The “rat line” is the trail of towns
along the Euphrates River that we’ve been hitting hard for the last
few months. Some of them are virtually untrained young Jihadists
that often end up as suicide bombers, or in various “sacrifice
squads”.
Most, however, are hard core terrorists from all theusual suspects
(Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.). These guys are running around
murdering civilians en masse and cutting head off. The Chechens (and
guys from all over Caucas) , are supposedly the most ruthless and
the best fighters because they’ve been fighting
Russians for years. In the Bagdad area and south, most of the
insurgents are Iranian inspired and led Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian
Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local govt.’s,
the police forces and the Army. They have had a massive spy and
agitator network there since the Iran- Iraq war in the early ’80.
Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long
ago.

7) Bad guy tactics:
When they are engaged on infantry level they get their asses kicked
every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were
very common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally
sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming
and firing AK’s and RPG’s directly at our bases just to probe the
defenses. They get mown down like grass every time - see the M2 and
M240 above.
Jordan’s base is hit like that often. When engaged, they have a
tendency to flee to the same building, probably for that they think
will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and that’s
the end of that more than not. These hole-ups are referred to as
Alpha Whiskey Romeo’s (Allah Waiting Room). We have the laser guided
munitions and ground-air thing down to a science.
Fact:
The first thing our guys are told is “don’t get captured”. They know
that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.
Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live
American serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who
otherwise don’t give shit about the war. A lot of the beheaded
victims were actually kidnapped by a common criminals and sold to
Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every fight is to the death.
Surrender is not an option.