Syria-Izrael: incydent w powietrzu

wiarusik Re: Syria-Izrael: incydent w powietrzu 06.09.07, 16:53

Gdzieś muszą się odbywać ćwiczenia,co nie?;)
Izrael jest malutki i łatwo z niego "wyskoczyć" odrzutowcem;)

mosze_zblisko_daleka Sasiedzi troche nerwowi... 06.09.07, 16:53

Nikt nie atakowal i nie bombowal.
Samoloty przesli bariere dzwiekowa i u nich to juz ataki...
Byli daleko od granic syryjskich nad morzem.

grogreg Re: Sasiedzi troche nerwowi... 06.09.07, 17:51

To Syryjska obrona p.lot obejmuje tezs morze?
- mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Sasiedzi troche nerwowi... 06.09.07, 18:27
  
  Dlaczego nie?
  Jak zobaczysz mapę Syrii to mozna widzieć ze są porty i inne infrastrukcje
  strategiczne blisko morza.
  To jak mozna ich pilnować, nie przez system p. lotniczy?
  Oprócz tego syryjskie lotnictwo jest dosyć słabe (tak ja uważam) wiec cały swój
  budżet wkładają na rakiety lad-lad, lad-powietrze i lad-morze
  .
  - marek_boa Re: Sasiedzi troche nerwowi... 06.09.07, 20:17
    
    Mosze a Ty im się Dziwisz?:)Toć Wasze samoloty czasami "wpadają"
    z ...przyjacielską wizytą do sąsiadów albo i dalej! Czasami podczas
    takich lotów coś tam im się urwie albo odpadnie jak np. nad
    Osirakiem!
    -Pozdrawiam!
    - browiec1 Re: Sasiedzi troche nerwowi... 06.09.07, 22:49
      
      No tak to juz jest, ze Izrael musi odwalac wiekszosc brudnej roboty
      w tym regionie, bo innym panstwom jakos ciezko doprowadzic do
      odpadniecia "cosia" z wlasnego samolotu, ale jak w przypadku Osiraku
      wiekszosc jest zadowolona z tragicznego stanu technicznego
      Izraelskich samolotow z ktorych wiecznie cos odpada:))) Szczegolnie
      jesli "czesci" spadna na niewygodne dla swiata instalacje w jednym z
      nieprzewidywalnych panstw.

mosze_zblisko_daleka Panstyr-S1... 08.09.07, 00:56

Czy mozna dostac wiecej info?

Advanced Russian Air Defense Missile Cannot Protect Syrian and Iranian Skies

September 7, 2007, 1:16 PM (GMT+02:00)
Russian-made Pantsyr S1 fire control and radar systems

Russian-made Pantsyr S1 fire control and radar systems

DEBKAfile’s military experts conclude from the way Damascus described the
episode Wednesday, Sept. 6, that the Pantsyr-S1E missiles, purchased from Russia
to repel air assailants, failed to down the Israeli jets accused of penetrating
northern Syrian airspace from the Mediterranean the night before.

The new Pantsyr missiles therefore leave Syrian and Iranian airspace vulnerable
to hostile intrusion.

The Israeli plane or planes were described by a Syrian military spokesman as
“forced to leave by Syrian air defense fire after dropping ammunition over
deserted areas without causing casualties.” He warned “the Israeli enemy against
repeating its aggressive action” and said his government reserved the right to
respond in an appropriate manner.

Western intelligence circles stress that information on Russian missile
consignments to Syria or Iran is vital to any US calculation of whether to
attack Iran over its nuclear program. They assume that the “absolute jamming
immunity” which the Russian manufactures promised for the improved Pantsyr
missiles was immobilized by superior electronic capabilities exercised by the
jets before they were “forced to leave.”

Syria took delivery in mid-August of 10 batteries of sophisticated Russian
Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems with advanced radar, those
sources report. They have just been installed in Syria.

Understanding that the Pantsyr-S1E had failed in its mission to bring down
trespassing aircraft, Moscow hastened Thursday, Sept 6, to officially deny
selling these systems to Syria or Iran and called on Israel to respect
international law. This was diplomatic-speak for a warning against attacking the
Russian-made missiles batteries stations where Russian instructors are working
alongside Syrian teams.

Western intelligence circles maintain that it is vital for the US and Israel to
establish the location and gauge the effectiveness of Pantsyr-S1E air defenses
in Syrian and Iranian hands, as well as discovering how many each received.

They estimate that at least three or four batteries of the first batch of ten
were shipped to Iran to boost its air defense arsenal; another 50 are thought to
be on the way, of which Syria will keep 36.

The purported Israeli air force flights over the Pantsyr-S1E site established
that the new Russian missiles, activated for the first time in the Middle East,
are effective and dangerous but can be disarmed. Western military sources
attribute to those Israeli or other air force planes superior electronics for
jamming the Russian missile systems, but stress nonetheless that they were
extremely lucky to get away unharmed, or at worst, with damage minor enough for
a safe return to base.

The courage, daring and operational skills of the air crews must have been
exceptional. They would have needed to spend enough time in hostile Syrian air
space to execute several passes at varying altitudes under fire in order to test
the Pantsyr-S1E responses. Their success demonstrated to Damascus and Tehran
that their expensive new Russian anti-air system leaves them vulnerable.

Washington like Jerusalem withheld comment in the immediate aftermath of the
episode. After its original disclosure, Damascus too is holding silent. Western
intelligence sources believe the Syrians in consultation with the Russians and
Tehran are weighing action to gain further media mileage from the incident. They
may decide to exhibit some of the “ammunition” dropped by the Israeli aircraft
as proof of Israel’s contempt for international law. A military response may
come next.

Pantsir-S1 or Panzir (“Shell" in English) is a short-range, mobile air defense
system, combining two 30mm anti-aircraft guns and 12 surface-to-air missiles
which can fire on the move. It can simultaneously engage two separate targets at
12 targets per minute, ranging from fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters,
ballistic and cruise missiles, precision-guided munitions and unmanned air
vehicles. It can also engage light-armored ground targets.

The Pantsyr S1 short-range air defense system is designed to provide point
defense of key military and industrial facilities and air defense support for
military units during air and ground operations.

The integrated missile and gun armament creates an uninterrupted engagement zone
of 18 to 20 km in range and of up to 10 km in altitude. Immunity to jamming is
promised via a common multimode and multi-spectral radar and optical control
system. The combined missile and artillery capability makes the Russian system
the most advanced air defense system in the world. Syria and Iran believe it
provides the best possible protection against American or Israeli air and
missile attack. Stationed in al Hamma, at the meeting point of the
Syrian-Jordanian and Israeli borders, the missile’s detection range of 30 km
takes in all of Israel’s northern air force bases.

Copyright 2000-2007 DEBKAfile. All Rights Reserved.

marek_boa Re: Panstyr-S1... 08.09.07, 09:33

Mosze a co więcej jeszcze można napisać? Może tylko tyle,że "lekko"
pomieszałeś nazwę - "Pancir-S1"!:)
-Pozdrawiam!

mosze_zblisko_daleka A'Sijasa... 08.09.07, 15:01

TERAZ PODALA gazeta syryjska A'Sijasa (polityka)
Ze wlasnie byly to samoloty amerykanskie, ktore zaatakowaly baterie
syryjskie i wystartowaly z.... Turcji.

mosze_zblisko_daleka Gazeta libanska podaje... 09.09.07, 09:50

...ze Syria zaczela mobilizowac wojsko, ale w Libanie wszystko jest mozliwe

www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/0/09B7C0FB72353A5EC22573510022A88C?OpenDocument

mosze_zblisko_daleka Mozliwie ze jest tutaj cos... 09.09.07, 11:19

joshualandis.com/blog/?p=370#comment-64513

browiec1 Re: Mozliwie ze jest tutaj cos... 10.09.07, 15:06

To w koncu byl ten atak czy nie? A jesli tak to jaki byl wynik?
- marek_boa Re: Mozliwie ze jest tutaj cos... 11.09.07, 08:44
  
  Taki Browiec jak cała ta dyskusja!:) Czyli wynik - żaden!
  -Pozdrawiam!
  - browiec1 Re: Mozliwie ze jest tutaj cos... 11.09.07, 12:41
    
    A co ja Marek tak glupiego napisalem? Zadalem tylko pytanie i nic
    wiecej.
    - marek_boa Re: Mozliwie ze jest tutaj cos... 12.09.07, 11:03
      
      Rany koguta!:) Browiec a czy ja napisałem ,że Ty Napisałeś coś
      głupiego?:)Po prostu z braku wiedzy w danym temacie możemy sobie tak
      dyskutować do upojenia!:)
      -Pozdrawiam!
- mosze_zblisko_daleka Cenzura... 11.09.07, 16:15
  
  Na razie, nic nie mozna podać...
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka CNN... 11.09.07, 17:59
    
    www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=349816
    - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: CNN... 11.09.07, 18:17
      
      Ze brały udział tez wojska lądowe. Atakowane były instalacje iranskie w Syrii.
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Cenzura... 11.09.07, 20:55
    
    Źródła nie podali, ze nie było bombardowanie, broni nie niekonwencjonalnej, nie
    dostarczona, przez nie nieżyjącego lidera...

mosze_zblisko_daleka Pytanko... 12.09.07, 07:54

Dlaczego wlasciwie TYLKO Korea Polnocna oskarzyla Izrael o agresie
na Syrie....
Odp. przyjdzie pozniej...

browiec1 Re: Pytanko... 12.09.07, 14:13

A jaki instalacje ma w Syrii Iran?
- marek_boa Re: Pytanko... 13.09.07, 09:25
  
  W tym sęk ,że ...żadne!:) Wspólnie z Syrią,Iran wspiera Hezbollah w
  Libanie ale ostatnio współpraca się "nie klei" bo okazało się,że
  Iran i Syria popierając i wspierając Hezbollah mają...deczko inne
  cele!
  -Pozdrawim!

mosze_zblisko_daleka Observer 16.9.2007 16.09.07, 09:41

Was Israeli raid a dry run for attack on Iran?

Mystery surrounds last week's air foray into Syrian territory. The Observer's
Foreign Affairs Editor attempts to unravel the truth behind Operation Orchard
and allegations of nuclear subterfuge

Peter Beaumont
Sunday September 16, 2007
The Observer

The head of Israel's airforce, Major-General Eliezer Shkedi, was visiting a base
in the coastal city of Herziliya last week. For the 50-year-old general, also
the head of Israel's Iran Command, which would fight a war with Tehran if
ordered, it was a morale-boosting affair, a meet-and-greet with pilots and
navigators who had flown during last summer's month-long war against Lebanon.
The journalists who had turned out in large numbers were there for another
reason: to question Shkedi about a mysterious air raid that happened this month,
codenamed 'Orchard', carried out deep in Syrian territory by his pilots.

Article continues
Shkedi ignored all questions. It set a pattern for the days to follow as he and
Israel's politicians and officials maintained a steely silence, even when the
questions came from the visiting French Foreign Minister, Bernard Kouchner.
Those journalists who thought of reporting the story were discouraged by the
threat of Israel's military censor.

But the rumours were in circulation, not just in Israel but in Washington and
elsewhere. In the days that followed, the sketchy details of the raid were
accompanied by contradictory claims even as US and British officials admitted
knowledge of the raid. The New York Times described the target of the raid as a
nuclear site being run in collaboration with North Korean technicians. Others
reported that the jets had hit either a Hizbollah convoy, a missile facility or
a terrorist camp.

Amid the confusion there were troubling details that chimed uncomfortably with
the known facts. Two detachable tanks from an Israeli fighter were found just
over the Turkish border. According to Turkish military sources, they belonged to
a Raam F15I - the newest generation of Israeli long-range bomber, which has a
combat range of over 2,000km when equipped with the drop tanks. This would
enable them to reach targets in Iran, leading to speculation that it was an
'operation rehearsal' for a raid on Tehran's nuclear facilities.

Finally, however, at the week's end, the first few tangible details were
beginning to emerge about Operation Orchard from a source involved in the
Israeli operation.

They were sketchy, but one thing was absolutely clear. Far from being a minor
incursion, the Israeli overflight of Syrian airspace through its ally, Turkey,
was a far more major affair involving as many as eight aircraft, including
Israel's most ultra-modern F-15s and F-16s equipped with Maverick missiles and
500lb bombs. Flying among the Israeli fighters at great height, The Observer can
reveal, was an ELINT - an electronic intelligence gathering aircraft.

What was becoming clear by this weekend amid much scepticism, largely from
sources connected with the administration of President George Bush, was the
nature of the allegation, if not the facts.

In a series of piecemeal leaks from US officials that gave the impression of
being co-ordinated, a narrative was laid out that combined nuclear skulduggery
and the surviving members of the 'axis of evil': Iran, North Korea and Syria.

It also combined a series of neoconservative foreign policy concerns: that North
Korea was not being properly monitored in the deal struck for its nuclear
disarmament and was off-loading its material to Iran and Syria, both of which in
turn were helping to rearm Hizbollah.

Underlying all the accusations was a suggestion that recalled the bogus
intelligence claims that led to the war against Iraq: that the three countries
might be collaborating to supply an unconventional weapon to Hizbollah.

It is not only the raid that is odd but also, ironically, the deliberate air of
mystery surrounding it, given Israel's past history of bragging about similar
raids, including an attack on an Iraqi reactor. It was a secrecy so tight, in
fact, that even as the Israeli aircrew climbed into the cockpits of their planes
they were not told the nature of the target they were being ordered to attack.

According to an intelligence expert quoted in the Washington Post who spoke to
aircrew involved in the raid, the target of the attack, revealed only to the
pilots while they were in the air, was a northern Syrian facility that was
labelled as an agricultural research centre on the Euphrates river, close to the
Turkish border.

According to this version of events, a North Korean ship, officially carrying a
cargo of cement, docked three days before the raid in the Syrian port of Tartus.
That ship was also alleged to be carrying nuclear equipment.

It is an angle that has been pushed hardest by the neoconservative hawk and
former US ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton. But others have entered
the fray, among them the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, who, without
mentioning Syria by name, suggested to Fox television that the raid was linked
to stopping unconventional weapons proliferation.

Most explicit of all was Andrew Semmel, acting deputy assistant Secretary of
State for nuclear non-proliferation policy, who, speaking in Rome yesterday,
insisted that 'North Koreans were in Syria' and that Damascus may have had
contacts with 'secret suppliers' to obtain nuclear equipment.

'There are indicators that they do have something going on there,' he said. 'We
do know that there are a number of foreign technicians that have been in Syria.
We do know that there may have been contact between Syria and some secret
suppliers for nuclear equipment. Whether anything transpired remains to be seen.

'So good foreign policy, good national security policy, would suggest that we
pay very close attention to that,' he said. 'We're watching very closely.
Obviously, the Israelis were watching very closely.'

But despite the heavy inference, no official so far has offered an outright
accusation. Instead they have hedged their claims in ifs and buts, assiduously
avoiding the term 'weapons of mass destruction'.

There has also been deep scepticism about the claims from other officials and
former officials familiar with both Syria and North Korea. They have pointed out
that an almost bankrupt Syria has neither the economic nor the industrial base
to support the kind of nuclear programme described, adding that Syria has long
rejected going down the nuclear route.

Others have pointed out that North Korea and Syria in any case have also had a
long history of close links - making meaningless the claim that the North
Koreans are in Syria.

The scepticism was reflected by Bruce Reidel, a former intelligence official at
the Brookings Institution's Saban Centre, quoted in the Post. 'It was a
substantial Israeli operation, but I can't get a good fix on whether the target
was a nuclear thing,' adding that there was 'a great deal of scepticism that
there's any nuclear angle here' and instead the facility could have been related
to chemical or biological weapons.

The opaqueness surrounding the nature of what may have been hit in Operation
Orchard has been compounded by claims that US knowledge over the alleged
'agricultural site' has come not from its own intelligence and satellite
imaging, but from material supplied to Washington from Tel Aviv over the last
six months, material that has been restricted to just a few senior officials
under the instructions of national security adviser Stephen Hadley, leaving many
in the intelligence community uncertain of its veracity.

Whatever the truth of the allegations against Syria - and Israel has a long
history of employing complex deceptions in its operations - the message being
delivered from Tel Aviv is clear:

mosze_zblisko_daleka Status Quo... 16.09.07, 15:24

Co Syria próbuje ukryć co posiadała.
Z drugiej strony inni próbują ukryć co zrobili.
Dziwne Status Quo...

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Syria-Izrael: incydent w powietrzu 17.09.07, 06:54

From The Sunday Times
September 16, 2007
Israelis ‘blew apart Syrian nuclear cache’
Secret raid on Korean shipment
Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv, Sarah Baxter in Washington and Michael Sheridan

IT was just after midnight when the 69th Squadron of Israeli F15Is crossed the
Syrian coast-line. On the ground, Syria’s formidable air defences went dead. An
audacious raid on a Syrian target 50 miles from the Iraqi border was under way.

At a rendezvous point on the ground, a Shaldag air force commando team was
waiting to direct their laser beams at the target for the approaching jets. The
team had arrived a day earlier, taking up position near a large underground
depot. Soon the bunkers were in flames.

Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense
speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a
cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.

The Israeli government was not saying. “The security sources and IDF [Israeli
Defence Forces] soldiers are demonstrating unusual courage,” said Ehud Olmert,
the prime minister. “We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.”

The Syrians were also keeping mum. “I cannot reveal the details,” said Farouk
al-Sharaa, the vice-president. “All I can say is the military and political
echelon is looking into a series of responses as we speak. Results are
forthcoming.” The official story that the target comprised weapons destined for
Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Lebanese Shi’ite group, appeared to be crumbling
in the face of widespread scepticism.

Andrew Semmel, a senior US State Department official, said Syria might have
obtained nuclear equipment from “secret suppliers”, and added that there were a
“number of foreign technicians” in the country.

Asked if they could be North Korean, he replied: “There are North Korean people
there. There’s no question about that.” He said a network run by AQ Khan, the
disgraced creator of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, could be involved.

But why would nuclear material be in Syria? Known to have chemical weapons, was
it seeking to bolster its arsenal with something even more deadly?

Alternatively, could it be hiding equipment for North Korea, enabling Kim
Jong-il to pretend to be giving up his nuclear programme in exchange for
economic aid? Or was the material bound for Iran, as some authorities in America
suggest?

According to Israeli sources, preparations for the attack had been going on
since late spring, when Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, presented Olmert with
evidence that Syria was seeking to buy a nuclear device from North Korea.

The Israeli spy chief apparently feared such a device could eventually be
installed on North-Korean-made Scud-C missiles.

“This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel,” said an
Israeli source. “We’ve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical
warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can’t live with a nuclear warhead.”

An expert on the Middle East, who has spoken to Israeli participants in the
raid, told yesterday’s Washington Post that the timing of the raid on September
6 appeared to be linked to the arrival three days earlier of a ship carrying
North Korean material labelled as cement but suspected of concealing nuclear
equipment.

The target was identified as a northern Syrian facility that purported to be an
agricultural research centre on the Euphrates river. Israel had been monitoring
it for some time, concerned that it was being used to extract uranium from
phosphates.

According to an Israeli air force source, the Israeli satellite Ofek 7, launched
in June, was diverted from Iran to Syria. It sent out high-quality images of a
northeastern area every 90 minutes, making it easy for air force specialists to
spot the facility.

Early in the summer Ehud Barak, the defence minister, had given the order to
double Israeli forces on its Golan Heights border with Syria in anticipation of
possible retaliation by Damascus in the event of air strikes.

Sergei Kirpichenko, the Russian ambassador to Syria, warned President Bashar
al-Assad last month that Israel was planning an attack, but suggested the target
was the Golan Heights.

Israeli military intelligence sources claim Syrian special forces moved towards
the Israeli outpost of Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights. Tension rose, but
nobody knew why.

At this point, Barak feared events could spiral out of control. The decision was
taken to reduce the number of Israeli troops on the Golan Heights and tell
Damascus the tension was over. Syria relaxed its guard shortly before the
Israeli Defence Forces struck.

Only three Israeli cabinet ministers are said to have been in the know – Olmert,
Barak and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister. America was also consulted.
According to Israeli sources, American air force codes were given to the Israeli
air force attaché in Washington to ensure Israel’s F15Is would not mistakenly
attack their US counterparts.

Once the mission was under way, Israel imposed draconian military censorship and
no news of the operation emerged until Syria complained that Israeli aircraft
had violated its airspace. Syria claimed its air defences had engaged the
planes, forcing them to drop fuel tanks to lighten their loads as they fled.

But intelligence sources suggested it was a highly successful Israeli raid on
nuclear material supplied by North Korea.

Washington was rife with speculation last week about the precise nature of the
operation. One source said the air strikes were a diversion for a daring Israeli
commando raid, in which nuclear materials were intercepted en route to Iran and
hauled to Israel. Others claimed they were destroyed in the attack.

There is no doubt, however, that North Korea is accused of nuclear cooperation
with Syria, helped by AQ Khan’s network. John Bolton, who was undersecretary for
arms control at the State Department, told the United Nations in 2004 the
Pakistani nuclear scientist had “several other” customers besides Iran, Libya
and North Korea.

Some of his evidence came from the CIA, which had reported to Congress that it
viewed “Syrian nuclear intentions with growing concern”.

“I’ve been worried for some time about North Korea and Iran outsourcing their
nuclear programmes,” Bolton said last week. Syria, he added, was a member of a
“junior axis of evil”, with a well-established ambition to develop weapons of
mass destruction.

The links between Syria and North Korea date back to the rule of Kim Il-sung and
President Hafez al-Assad in the last century. In recent months, their sons have
quietly ordered an increase in military and technical cooperation.

Foreign diplomats who follow North Korean affairs are taking note. There were
reports of Syrian passengers on flights from Beijing to Pyongyang and sightings
of Middle Eastern businessmen from sources who watch the trains from North Korea
to China.

On August 14, Rim Kyong Man, the North Korean foreign trade minister, was in
Syria to sign a protocol on “cooperation in trade and science and technology”.
No details were released, but it caught Israel’s attention.

Syria possesses between 60 and 120 Scud-C missiles, which it has bought from
North Korea over the past 15 years. Diplomats believe North Korean engineers
have been working on extending their 300-mile range. It means they can be used
in the deserts of northeastern Syria – the area of the Israeli strike.

The triangular relationship between North Korea, Syria and Iran continues to
perplex intelligence analysts. Syria served as a conduit for the transport to
Iran of an estima

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Syria-Izrael: incydent w powietrzu-B 17.09.07, 06:57

The triangular relationship between North Korea, Syria and Iran continues to
perplex intelligence analysts. Syria served as a conduit for the transport to
Iran of an estimated £50m of missile components and technology sent by sea from
North Korea. The same route may be in use for nuclear equipment.

But North Korea is at a sensitive stage of negotiations to end its nuclear
programme in exchange for security guarantees and aid, leading some diplomats to
cast doubt on the likelihood that Kim would cross America’s “red line”
forbidding the proliferation of nuclear materials.

Christopher Hill, the State Department official representing America in the
talks, said on Friday he could not confirm “intelligence-type things”, but the
reports underscored the need “to make sure the North Koreans get out of the
nuclear business”.

By its actions, Israel showed it is not interested in waiting for diplomacy to
work where nuclear weapons are at stake.

As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence
system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites.

This weekend President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran sent Ali Akbar Mehrabian, his
nephew, to Syria to assess the damage. The new “axis of evil” may have lost one
of its spokes.

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- browiec1 Re: Syria-Izrael: incydent w powietrzu-B 18.09.07, 23:39
  
  wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80594,4493125.html Jak
  sie to potwierdzi to bedzie ciekawa sytuacja. I po raz kolejny
  potwierdzi sie zasada ze gdzie USA i diabel nie moze tam Izrael
  zadziala:)
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka Janes.com 19.09.07, 01:22
    
    Jest tez cos ciekawego w "Janes.com" ale nie moge podac, moze ktos
    inny sproboje...
    - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Janes.com 19.09.07, 14:57
      
      Last update - 08:41 19/09/2007
      News / Report: Iranians killed in July blast in Syrian chemical arms plant
      
      A report says Iranians were killed in a July blast in a Syrian chemical weapons
      plant.
      
      "מדענים איראנים נהרגו בתאונת נשק כימי בסוריה"
      
      השבועון הבריטי "ג'יינס" פירסם פרטים חדשים אודות תאונה שארעה באתר נשק סודי בסוריה
      לפני כחודשיים. על פי הדיווח - בתאונה נהרגו עשרות סורים ואיראנים שעסקו בהרכבת ראש
      נפץ כימי על טילי סקאד. הממשל הסורי ניסה להסוות את התקרית בעבר כתאונה שנגרמה עקב
      "גל חום"
      
      ynet
      פורסם: 18.09.07, 23:59
      
      עשרות קציני צבא סורים ואיראנים נהרגו לפני כחודשיים בתאונה, בשעה שעסקו בהרכבת ראש
      קרב כימי על טיל ארוך טווח. כך דיווח אתמול (ב') השבועון הבריטי "ג'יינס", שחשף
      פרטים חדשים על הפיצוץ במתקן הנשק.
      
      על פי הדיווח, הפיצוץ ארע בשעת בוקר מוקדמת ב-26 ביולי, במפעל שבעיר חלב. המגזין
      מדווח כי התאונה התרחשה כאשר נעשה ניסיון להרכיב ראש קרב כימי עם גז חרדל על טיל
      סקאד C. אש שניצתה במנוע של הטיל הביאה לפיצוץ בסמוך למקום שבו אוחסנו החומרים
      הכימיים. הפיצוץ פיזר חומרי לוחמה כימיים מסוג גז חרדל, VX וסרין, הנחשבים רעילים
      ביותר ואסורים לשימוש על פי אמנות בין לאומיות.
      
      השבועון "ג'יינס" מדווח כי 15 אנשי צבא סורים נהרגו ועימם עשרות מהנדסים איראנים
      ששהו במתקן. בנוסף להם נפצעו עוד עשרות בני אדם. דבר התקרית פורסם בשעתו בידי
      סוכנות הידיעות הרשמית של סוריה, אך נמסר מידע רק אודות הנפגעים הסורים ולא הוזכרו
      הנציגים האיראנים במקום. בנוסף, נטען בדיווח הסורי כי הפיצוץ נגרם בשל "גל חום"
      שפקד את המדינה וכי הממשל הסורי שלל אפשרות של חבלה במקום. יצוין עם זאת, כי הפיצוץ
      התרחש בשעה 4:30 בבוקר, שידועה כשעה צוננת באופן יחסי.
      
      על פי הדיווח בשבועון הבריטי, המפעל שבו התרחשה התאונה הוקם
      - browiec1 Re: Janes.com 19.09.07, 16:14
        
        I tu sie ludzie martwili na forum znajomoscia przez niektorych
        rosyjskiego czy angielskiego:)))
      - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Janes.com 19.09.07, 23:40
        
        Jane's: Dozens of Iranians and Syrians died from poison gas missile blast
        
        Additional proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the development and
        deployment of weapons of mass destruction was revealed Monday in a Jane's
        Magazine report that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were
        killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.
        
        According to the report, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a
        chemical warhead on a scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal
        chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas and VX gas.
        
        The factory was created for the purpose of adapting ballistic missiles to carry
        chemical payloads, Jane's claimed.
        
        Although reports of the accident were circulated at the time, no details were
        released by the Syrian government, nor was the Iranian connection revealed.
        
        SANA - Syrian news agency

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