peppper
26.03.04, 13:46
Od dawna interesuje sie stosunkami polsko-zydowskimi.
Mam wielu zydowskich znajomych (glownie ze Stanow) I razem z nimi zastanawiam
sie skad biora sie te wszystkie nieporozumienia miedzy naszymi nacjami.
Ciekawe jest to, ze na poziomie kontaktow indywidualnych nikomu nie
przychodzi do glowy, by poslugiwac sie kategoriami rasowymi. Po prostu ma sie
kumpla Davida, czy kolezanke Sare I chodzi glownie o to, czy sa sympatycznymi
I dobrymi ludzmi, a nie jak wyglada ich drzewo genealogiczne. A jednak mimo
calej dobrej woli po obydwu stronach, zawsze w pewnym momencie dochodzi do
zgrzytu, szczegolnie gdy zacznie sie dyskusje na tematy historyczne,
obyczajowe czy religijne. I wtedy konczy sie kontakt z jednostka, zaczyna sie
konfrontacja dwoch przeciwstawnych machin propagandowych. O ,,polskim
antysemityzmie wyssanym z mlekiem matki’’ nie bede tu pisac, bo
prawdopodobnie przerabiano to na tym forum wielokrotnie. Nawet teraz masa
jest watkow o mowiacych wylacznie o winie polskiej – nawet pies w literaturze
polskiej jest antysemita, jak zaprezentowal w swym watku Perla.
Postanowilem ,,pochodzic’’ po forach drugiej strony I sprawdzic, co mowia o
polakach, jak prezentuja nasza wspolna historie. I nie chodzi mi o to, by
jatrzyc I zaczynac kolejna pelna nienawisci pyskowke. Chcialbym sie
zastanowic, za co biora forse polskie sluzby dyplomatyczne I spece od
polskiego PR politycznego, skoro nie przejmuja sie utrwalaniem falszywego
obrazu relacji Polacy-Zydzi.
A oto kilka przykladow:
1.Forum Israel – watek na temat deklaracji wspierania izraela na arenie
miedzynarodowej przez Polske, wypowiedz jednego z uczestnikow:
,,WHats even more ridiculous is that poland is NOT ashamed of its anti-
semitism.
Ill give you all an example, i have watched about 10 polish moves during the
last couple of year, made in the 1990's so all were quite modern, 8/10 of the
movies had some ant-semitic comments/remarks.
Even the movies that had nothing to do with jews like loves stores between 2
polish christians or whatever, showed polish youth in a park(bored) and
saying something like its all the jews fault we are unemployed.
Just like i said in a previous post when there were 3m jews in poland and
poland was a country it was the jews fault, now will less than 10,000 jews
its still the jews fault, i hope the missiles israel has in development the
Jericho 3 range (all of europe) will be one day destined to this ant semitic
backstabbing country.’’
Czy wiecie o jakie filmy chodzi?
www.israelforum.com/board/forumdisplay.php3?s=7dcddbc1cd7fafb741a960c13269da34&forumid=12
2.Krotki kurs historii wg rabina Kena Spiro
The period of history we are looking at is known as the Renaissance which
historians generally date from about 1350 to about 1650. Renaissance
means "rebirth." Rebirth of what? Of knowledge.
We have now left the Dark Ages dominated by the repressive policies of the
Church in Rome and are beginning a time period associated with individual
expression, self-consciousness, and worldly experience, and accomplishments
in scholarship, literature, science, and the arts.
This is also a time when Jews made their way into Poland. Today we tend to
think of Jewish life in Poland as being confined to the shtetl, but that did
not happen until the 18th century. We also tend to think of Poland as
synonymous with anti-Semitism, pogroms, etc.(sic!!!) But during the time of
the Renaissance the picture was quite different.
Before we begin the fascinating story of the Jews of Poland, we have to keep
in mind the historical pattern that we see constantly in Jewish history. The
places where the Jews will do the best are almost always the places where the
Jews will suffer the worst in the end. You'd expect there'd be places that
would be good for the Jews and other places where Jews would have a rough
time. But that's not what happens.
So how did the Jews come to Poland?
Poland became Christian very late, only at the turn of the 11th century, and
only then did it join the European community of nations (so to speak). After
that, it took a couple of hundred years before Poland started to emerge as a
nation-state with strong development potential.
If you want to develop your country economically and culturally, who do you
need?
You need Jews. (sic!!!)
Why were the Jews so necessary? First, they could read and write. Jews were
always highly educated as they had to be literate to read and obey the Torah,
and general education came along as part of the parcel. Second, Jews were
excellent bankers, accountants, and administrators who knew how to keep the
economy healthy.
www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_49_-_The_Jews_of_Poland.asp
Na razie tyle. Pytanie: czy droga do normalizacji naszych wzajemnych
stosunkow wiedzie tylko I wylacznie przez etap ,,przepisywania’’ polskich
podrecznikow historii, rewizji polskiej literatury I polskiej religijnosci,
czy tez potrzebne sa podobne dzialania po stronie zydowskiej? A moze ani
jedno ani drugie?
