altspringe Tak, to propagandysta nie warty splunięcia 12.01.08, 08:18 Typowa propagandowa publicystyka. Też gdybym chciał i był przesycony nienawiścią jak ten tam Gross, mógłbym napisać książkę uogólniającą i oskarżającą cały naród, tyle że naród żydowski. Opierając się na prawdziwych zdarzeniach np z 1939 roku kiedy to zdarzało się, że gminy żydowskie witały uroczyście wkraczający wehrmacht, i na znanych faktach na wschodzie, gdy Żydzi tak entuzjastycznie witali wkraczających Rosjan a potem współpracowali z nimi przy wyłapywaniu Polaków na zsyłki, mógłbym wzorem Grossa napisać książkę o wielkiej zdradzie obciążającej cały naród. Albo o "zbrodniach narodu żydowskiego" tak licznie reprezentowanego w organach bezpieczeństwa po wojnie. Mógłbym, ale nie napiszę bo nie jestem sterowanym politycznie propagandystą, do tego osobiście przesiąkniętym nienawiścią jak rzeczony Gross. I oddzielam fakty od interpretacji. I wiem, że rzeczywistość społeczna to złożone zjawisko. A tak nawiasem, ja na miejscu władz anulowałbym mu obywatelstwo polskie (jeśli takowe posiada) i nie wpuszczałbym do kraju. Niech sobie rzyga tą swoją nienawiścią za oceanem bądź gdziekolwiek indziej. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: Tak, to propagandysta nie warty splunięcia 12.01.08, 08:24 altspringe napisał: > Typowa propagandowa publicystyka. Też gdybym chciał i był przesycony nienawiści > ą > jak ten tam Gross, mógłbym napisać książkę uogólniającą i oskarżającą cały > naród, tyle że naród żydowski. Opierając się na prawdziwych zdarzeniach np z > 1939 roku kiedy to zdarzało się, że gminy żydowskie witały uroczyście > wkraczający wehrmacht, i na znanych faktach na wschodzie, gdy Żydzi tak > entuzjastycznie witali wkraczających Rosjan a potem współpracowali z nimi przy > wyłapywaniu Polaków na zsyłki, mógłbym wzorem Grossa napisać książkę o wielkiej > zdradzie obciążającej cały naród. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt "Lucky Larry" Silverstein 12.01.08, 08:18 <b>You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million</b> Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership. Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec. Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated. Another little “coincidence” Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
cebaryka Re: "Lucky Larry" i 2000 braci 12.01.08, 11:43 którzy 11/9 zamiast do pracy w WTC poszli do doktora Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Jews, and only Jews, for hire 12.01.08, 08:19 Court backs Jewish Community Center's right to fire employee over Jews for Jesus link A federal court ruling that allowed a JCC to fire an employee who attended a Jews for Jews event could serve as a broader legal guide for Jewish institutions that want to reserve the right to hire only Jews for various positions Some Jewish institutions may have their own "road map" on hiring practices after a U.S. federal court ruled that a Pennsylvania JCC had the right to dismiss an employee over her participation in a Jews for Jesus event. Linda LeBoon, an Evangelical Christian, had sued the Lancaster JCC claiming that she was fired in 2002 as its bookkeeper for attending a Jews for Jesus event. The JCC, LeBoon argued, was a center for Jewish culture and therefore did not qualify for the exemption in the 1964 Civil Rights Act that allows religious organizations to discriminate on the basis of religion when it comes to hiring. But last month the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 to uphold a lower-court decision that the JCC is indeed a "religious corporation, organization, or institution" and had the right to dismiss an employee over his or her religious activities. "If they would have lost this case," said Marc Stern, general counsel of the American Jewish Congress, "it would have meant that someone from Jews for Jesus could have come into a Jewish organization and could have had a prominent position, and you couldn't have done anything about it legally. That would have been a catastrophe." In addition to ensuring the right to dismiss employees over affiliations with Messianic groups, the ruling could serve as a broader legal guide for non-synagogue Jewish institutions, like JCCs and federations, that want to reserve the right to insist on hiring Jews for top leadership posts and other jobs. "This case provides a road map for other JCCs and organizations that have some preference for hiring Jews in particular positions to qualify for this exemption," Stern said. "It has not always been self evident that they have the right to do so." While Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin, Section 702 of the act states that parochial schools and houses of worship are exempt and may hire based on religion. There has long been a debate about whether organizations affiliated with religious groups, such as camps, nursing homes, social service agencies and community centers, were afforded the same right to discriminate in hiring. LeBoon argued that because the Lancaster JCC had non-Jewish members, rented space to other religious organizations and held generally secular activities, the institution was not a religious institution. Further, she argued, the JCC was not financially or administratively tied to a synagogue. The appeals court in Philadelphia ruled, however, that the JCC was entitled to the exemption because "during the period under scrutiny, its structures and purposes were primarily religious." Drawing on precedents, the court compiled a list of nine criteria to help determine what constitutes a religious institution. Among the questions were: Is the institution a not for profit? Does it offer a secular product? Does it have a stated religious purpose? Does any religious entity participate in its management? Does it include religious instruction? Is it made up of coreligionists? In LeBoon v. Lancaster Jewish Community Center Association, the court determined that the JCC did have a Jewish mission Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Quotes About Jews By Jews 12.01.08, 08:19 "The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud." - Michael Rodkinson, in preface of Babylonian Talmud, page XI. "The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe-whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, or merely spasmodic sentimentalists-we follow the Talmud. It is our common law." - Herman Wouk, This is My God. "What is the basis of Judaism? A practical passion and greed for profit. To what can we reduce his (the Jew's) religious worship? To extortion. What is his real God? Cash!" - Karl Marx, founder of Communism, quoted in the British Guardian, July-August, 1924. "Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the neighboring nations who have suffered them. Our major vice of old as of today is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor and good fortune of the rest of the world." - Samuel Roth, Jews Must Live, page 18. "The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people." - Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919. "The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." - Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris, June 1, 1928. "Nations will gather together to bring their homage to the people of God; the whole fortune of nations will pass into the hands of the Jewish people, they will march behind the Jewish people, in chains as captives, and will prostrate before it." - Isador Loeb, Le Probleme Juif. "In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands." - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147. "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism (Communism) itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." - The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919. "Jew and Gentile are two worlds, between you Gentiles and us Jews there lies an unbridgeable gulf...There are two life forces in the world: Jewish and Gentile...I do not believe that this primal difference between Gentile and Jew is reconcilable..." - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 9. "You cannot be English Jews. We are a race, and only as a race can we perpetuate. Our mentality is of a Hebraic character, and differs from that of an Englishman. Enough subterfuges! Let us assert openly that we are International Jews." - Gerald Soman, Chairman of the World Jewry Fellowship, in its official manifesto, January 1, 1935. "Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race, and we are a race." - Rabbi Stephen Wise, N.Y. Herald-Tribune, June 13, 1938. "Let us recognize that we Jews are a distinct nationality of which every Jew, whatever his country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member." - Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Ct. Justice, Zionism, page 113. "The English (or French or American, etc.) patriotism of the Jew is only a fancy-dress which he puts on to please the people of the country." - The Jewish World, December 8, 1911. "The Jew is an inborn Communist." - Otto Weininger, Sex and Character, page 311. "We Jews are going to bring war on Germany." - David Brown, President of American Hebrew, in 1934, quoted in Edmonson's I Testify, page 188. "The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." - The Chicago Jewish Sentinel, October 8, 1942. "The Roosevelt Administration has selected more Jews to fill influential positions than any previous administration." - Brooklyn Jewish Examiner, October 20, 1933. "We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole, everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything. Our spirit reigns over the world. We are the Lords." - Dr. Kurt Munzer, The Way to Zion. "Give me the power to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes the laws." - Anselm Rothschild. "I have never discerned what there is about incest which is really repulsive. I merely note that it is natural and frequent for sister and brother to be lovers." - Leon Blum, Prime Minister of France, Du Mariage. "The Jews have a disproportionate number of mental defectives, idiots, and imbeciles." - Dr. Maurice Fishburg, Eugenic Factors in Jewish Life. "You are not Whites--either symbolically or literally--as anyone knows who goes to Israel." - Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, May 15, 1972. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt 30 Facts About Israel 12.01.08, 08:20 1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted. 2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews? 3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel? 4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians? 5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars? 6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($3.0 billion annually) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel. 7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's 'qualitative edge' in weapons over its neighbors. 8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.) 9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites? 10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces? 11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? 12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions? 13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character? 14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be 'personally and directly responsible' for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood? 15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime. 16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run 'Jews Only' job ads? 17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a 'positive image' of Israel to the American public? 18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories? 19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948? 20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: 'The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.' 21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world? 22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the 'living stones' of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation. 23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners? 24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world? 25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords? 26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike? 27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians? 28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent! 29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse? 30. Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: 30 Facts About Israel 12.01.08, 09:20 highalt napisała: > 1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A > Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while th > e > Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted. > > 2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish > race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates > in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews? > > 3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights > are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States > and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of > Israel? > > 4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the > remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example > in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while > the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians? > > 5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each yea > r > from American tax dollars? > > 6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($3.0 billion annually) exceeds the aid > the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy > American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel. > > 7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of > American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk > helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United > States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's 'qualitative edge' in > weapons over its neighbors. > > 8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous > occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are > used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after > Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.) > > 9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses > to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections > from its sites? > > 10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense > Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily > executed by the Israeli forces? > > 11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt > and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 > and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? > > 12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security > Council Resolutions? > > 13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of > maintaining a distinct Jewish character? > > 14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found > by an Israeli court to be 'personally and directly responsible' for the Sabra > and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinia > n > men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood? > > 15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers > were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for > transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of > southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic nam > e > Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered > the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly > showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others > . > Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime. > > 16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run > 'Jews Only' job ads? > > 17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations > firms to promote a 'positive image' of Israel to the American public? > > 18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a > party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the > forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories? > > 19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David > Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan > territory in 1948? > > 20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, wh > o > is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's > third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilat > e > the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last > Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: 'The Lord shall return their deeds o > n > their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and > vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must > send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.' > > 21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the > refugee population in the world? > > 22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the 'living stones' > of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of > Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim > brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation. > > 23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of > Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinia > n > prisoners? > > 24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian > education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world? > > 25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every > human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], > yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo > Accords? > > 26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the > history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who > attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and > called the attack a pre-emptive strike? > > 27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular > responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians? > > 28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral > ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing > Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three > innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent! > > 29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa > and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels > beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse? > > 30. 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highalt The Professor of Torture 12.01.08, 08:21 Dershowitz for the Defense--of Waterboarding Alan Dershowitz is a crafty debater, a capable attorney and a ferocious defender of Israel. He is also a Harvard professor and a former member of OJ Simpson's legal defense called the Dream Team. An article by Dershowitz appeared on op-ed page of the Wall Street Journal on November 7, 2007, titled "Democrats and Waterboarding". In that article Dershowitz makes a spirited defense of waterboarding, going so far as to say that (he believes) the Democrats "will lose the presidential race if it defines itself as soft on terror." Dershowitz thinks the Democrats are headed for trouble if they assume the "pacifistic stance" that he identifies with Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore. By using Moore and Sheehan as examples; it is clear that Dershowitz accepts the media's attempts to dismiss them as part of an imaginary "leftist fringe". Instead, Dershowitz holds up ex-New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as an example of a candidate whose popularity has steadily grown because of his "tough" stance on national security issues. Dershowitz uses the "national security" hobgoblin in the same way as Bush; to justify government activities that conflict with our existing laws and basic principles. It is a neat bit of lawyerly footwork, but unconvincing. In Dershowitz's defense, it is true that he does not approve of "the routine use of torture", but only in the rare situation when it might be useful in gaining " preventive intelligence information about imminent acts of terrorism--the so-called "ticking bomb" scenario." But, who decides? Do we bestow this authority on men who have already proven to be untrustworthy---on men who have already created an industrial scale system of torture in black sites around the world? Who do we trust with these new powers? And how do we know when a so-called "terrorist suspect" is a terrorist at all? Are we being asked to forgo due process and the presumption of innocence along with our revulsion to cruel and inhuman treatment? Dershowitz's loves to use the "ticking time-bomb" scenario and trots it out at every opportunity. It is a very persuasive argument, until one really examines the implications. Jose Padilla was supposedly a "ticking time-bomb", wasn't he? According to the earliest public statements by the Bush administration, Padilla had smuggled a nuclear device or "dirty bomb" into the country and was planning to use it in a terrorist attack against American civilians. But it wasn't true. The government had fabricated the entire story and kept him in prison without charges for over 4 years on claims that were manifestly false. The Bush administration has never offered an explanation for their lies. Padilla's attorney has produced convincing evidence that he was repeatedly tortured in prison and was, thus, driven insane. And for what? The government knew that he was not involved in a terrorist plot to kill Americans. Under Dershowitz's regime, Padilla's treatment would be entirely justified. Is that what we want? The "ticking time-bomb" argument is a way of challenging our core values. It's a test. It's like asking, "How much are we really willing to sacrifice for the sake of our beliefs? Are we willing to risk our lives and the lives of the people we love ?" Or are we ready to "throw in the towel" and hand the government even greater and more lethal powers hoping that they'll keep us safe? In Dershowitz's book, "Shouting Fire: Civil Liberties in a Turbulent Age," he says: "No torture would be permitted without a "torture warrant" being issued by a judge....An application for a torture warrant would have to be based on the absolute need to obtain immediate information in order to save lives coupled with probable cause that the suspect had such information and is unwilling to reveal it....The warrant would limit the torture to nonlethal means, such as sterile needles, being inserted beneath the nails to cause excruciating pain without endangering life." It's shocking that a respected author and attorney would actually qualify the type of needles ("sterile") that can be used while conducting torture. Can we see how outrageous this is? The excerpt proves that Dershowitz advocates torture. The support for "torture warrants" is support torture. Period. It doesn't matter if the torture is limited to extreme cases or not. It's barbarism. More importantly, it is barbarism that is vindicated by the state. Dershowitz has been defending his position on torture for more than 4 years. Here are his comments in 2002 from the op-ed page of the SF Chronicle : "If American law enforcement officers were ever to confront the law school hypothetical case of the captured terrorist who knew about an imminent attack but refused to provide the information necessary to prevent it, I have absolutely no doubt that they would try to torture the terrorists into providing the information. Moreover, the vast majority of Americans would expect the officers to engage in that time-tested technique for loosening tongues, notwithstanding our unequivocal treaty obligation never to employ torture, no matter how exigent the circumstances." ("Want to Torture; Get a Warrant", SF Chronicle 2002) Dershowitz is mistaken. According to every survey conducted in the last 5 years, the majority of American people are overwhelming opposed to torture and-I dare say---they are equally opposed to cops who take the law into their own hands and "engage in that time-tested technique for loosening tongues." What Dershowitz is suggesting here is deadly serious and paves the way for routine abuses of power and police brutality. It is a wonder that the Bar hasn't stepped in and chastised him for his public stance on this issue. Dershowitz's logic is also flawed. His argument can be reduced to this: "The cops are going to torture anyway, so let's give them the green light by providing them with "torture warrants"? Isn't that what he is saying? This is from the same article: "Every democracy, including our own, has employed torture outside of the law....Throughout the years, police officers have tortured murder and rape suspects into confessing Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Does the J-Man owe an apology? 12.01.08, 08:22 slave ship owners This is very important,don't brush it out of sight with your neo-judeo-con rhetoric: Name of slave ship owners Abigail-Caracoa Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Franks Crown-Issac Levy and Nathan Simpson Nassau-Moses Levy Four Sisters-Moses Levy Anne & Eliza-Justus Bosch and John Abrams Prudent Betty-Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix Hester-Mordecai and David Gomez Elizabeth-Mordecai and David Gomez Antigua-Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell Betsy-Wm. De Woolf Polly-James De Woolf White Horse-Jan de Sweevts Expedition-John and Jacob Roosevelt Charlotte-Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks Source: Elizabeth Donnan, 4 Volumes, 'Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America' Washington, D.C. 1930, 1935 Carnegie Institute of Technology Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Jewish Gangsters 12.01.08, 08:22 Jewish Gangsters Raped, Killed Children As Young As Two On Film LSN, 9 October 2000 Rome, Italy Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: Jewish Gangsters 12.01.08, 08:38 highalt napisała: > Jewish Gangsters Raped, Killed Children As Young As Two On Film > LSN, 9 October 2000 > > Rome, Italy Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt banking? 12.01.08, 08:23 What about the sphere of banking? A Jew has been Chairman of our Federal Reserve banking system for the past twenty years. The World Bank’s previous two Presidents were both Jews, the latter, Wolfowitz, was a key policy planner for the invasion of Iraq. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt In government? 12.01.08, 08:23 In government? Jewish males held 28% of the Cabinet positions in Clinton’s presidency, despite being 1% of the population. The head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, is a radical Jew. In the Supreme Court Jews hold 22% of the positions, yet are only 2% of the population. Our newly appointed Attorney General Michael Mukasey is also an extremist Jew. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt immigration 12.01.08, 08:24 That Faye goes on to find the above view “suspect” (p. 216) in no way alters the fact that it is based on historical reality. As far as the U.S. goes, one has only to read the chapter, “The Jewish-led Invasion,” in David Duke’s book Jewish Supremacism to be convinced. Quoting from numerous documents, Duke shows that U.S. Jewish organizations fought for decades to do away with the restrictive immigration laws which, while not totally excluding non-white immigration, sought to preserve the ethnic composition of the U.S. population. Jewish efforts were crowned with success in 1965, and as a result the percentage of whites in the U.S. population, 90% in 1965, had by 2006 fallen to 63%. Non-white immigration reached record levels under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, also the presidents most favorable to the Jews in U.S. history. If Faye sees that as pure coincidence, that’s up to him and none of our concern. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep I looove you highalt , very, very true and sad... 12.01.08, 08:27 highalt napisała: > That Faye goes on to find the above view “suspect” (p. 216) in no w > ay alters the > fact that it is based on historical reality. As far as the U.S. goes, one has > only to read the chapter, “The Jewish-led Invasion,” in David Duke& > #8217;s book Jewish > Supremacism to be convinced. Quoting from numerous documents, Duke shows that > U.S. Jewish organizations fought for decades to do away with the restrictive > immigration laws which, while not totally excluding non-white immigration, > sought to preserve the ethnic composition of the U.S. population. Jewish effort > s > were crowned with success in 1965, and as a result the percentage of whites in > the U.S. population, 90% in 1965, had by 2006 fallen to 63%. Non- white > immigration reached record levels under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, also > the presidents most favorable to the Jews in U.S. history. If Faye sees that as > pure coincidence, that’s up to him and none of our concern. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Come and Hear 12.01.08, 08:25 Many American male babies are circumcised by medical procedure shortly after birth. However, Orthodox Judaism prescribes circumcision as a religious ritual, to be performed according to strict Talmudic laws. According to those laws, the man who circumcises the infant, the mohel, must suck the infant's bleeding penis with his mouth. MISHNAH. WE PERFORM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF CIRCUMCISION ON THE SABBATH. WE CIRCUMCISE, UNCOVER [THE CORONA], SUCK [THE WOUND], AND PLACE A COMPRESS AND CUMMIN UPON IT. IF ONE DID NOT CRUSH [THE CUMMIM] ON THE EVE OF THE SABBATH, HE MUST CHEW [IT] WITH HIS TEETH AND APPLY [IT TO THE WOUND] … GEMARA. … WE SUCK OUT, etc. R. Papa said: If a surgeon does not suck [the WOUND], it is dangerous and he is dismissed. It is obvious? Since we desecrate the Sabbath for it, it is dangerous? — You might say that this blood is stored up, therefore he informs us that it is the result of a wound, and it is like a bandage and cummin: just as when one does not apply a bandage and cummin there is danger, so here too if one does not do it there is danger … Mezizah (the practice of orally sucking the bleeding penis with the mouth) is not outmoded or discarded. The photos below were published by the Jerusalem Post Magazine. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Israel as an apartheid state 12.01.08, 08:27 Jews want for you to have multicultural and pluralistic society but in their country shitsteinstan aka Israel they are building a wall to keep non-Jews out! US tax payers are paying for all of this.. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt "Tarcza" to Zydowska sprawa 12.01.08, 08:28 Stanowcze nie dla tarczy smierci w naszym kraju! Zdrajca jest ten kto wprowadza obce wojsko do naszego kraju! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep I love you highalt, very, very true ..... 12.01.08, 08:30 where do you live? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Anti-Semitism 12.01.08, 08:30 In the olden days, an anti-Semite was someone who hates Jews. These days it’s someone the Jews hate. W dawny czasach antysemita to osbo ktora nienawidzila Zydow.. Dzis antysemita to osoba ktora Zydzi nienawidza... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Highalt this i very scary but true.... 12.01.08, 08:32 over 30 of my post were deleted today, and I was barred for 10 hours from the access to the area. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Rabbi David Kaye 12.01.08, 08:32 www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhVTgK0P6cY&feature=related Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Jewish Rabbi 12.01.08, 08:33 www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqoGiSi0HUo&feature=related Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Highalt you are absolutely right ...... 12.01.08, 08:35 oh, God help us.... But up till late 60's Jews in the US had to change their Jewish names for English names when they wanted to make some career in the administration, now it is different.... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Robert Spencer -- Jew Undercover 12.01.08, 08:37 www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDMK0k3JwU&feature=related Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt Protokoly Medrcow Syjonu 12.01.08, 08:39 Przeczytaj i sam(a) ocen czy to co pisza sie zgadza czy to tylko brednie... www.polonica.net/ProtokolyMedrcowSyjonu2.htm Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: Protokoly Medrcow Syjonu 12.01.08, 08:45 highalt napisała: > Przeczytaj i sam(a) ocen czy to co pisza sie zgadza czy to tylko brednie... > > www.polonica.net/ProtokolyMedrcowSyjonu2.htm Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: Protokoly Medrcow Syjonu 12.01.08, 08:46 strikep napisał: > highalt napisała: > > > Przeczytaj i sam(a) ocen czy to co pisza sie zgadza czy to tylko > brednie... > > > > www.polonica.net/ProtokolyMedrcowSyjonu2.htm Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: Protokoly Medrcow Syjonu - dla Polakow 12.01.08, 08:47 highalt napisała: > Przeczytaj i sam(a) ocen czy to co pisza sie zgadza czy to tylko brednie... > > www.polonica.net/ProtokolyMedrcowSyjonu2.htm Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
highalt A ty jestes pejsata malpa Zydowska 12.01.08, 08:44 Fuck YOU JEW!!! The cat is out of the bag.. it's only a matter of time before you're antisemitism business goes bankrupt.. it's going to happen in your life time .. it's the PROPHECY!!! oh and in case you forgot there is going to be the second coming of Christ and he is going to kick Jew ass from here to kingdom come.. it's coming! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
strikep Re: A ty jestes pejsata malpa Zydowska 12.01.08, 08:50 highalt napisała: > Fuck YOU JEW!!! The cat is out of the bag.. it's only a matter of time before > you're antisemitism business goes bankrupt.. it's going to happen in your life > time .. it's the PROPHECY!!! oh and in case you forgot there is going to be the > second coming of Christ and he is going to kick Jew ass from here to kingdom > come.. it's coming! Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś