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21.07.10, 07:57
W WSJ ukazal sie wlasnie wazny artykul dotyczacy reformy finansowej, ktora ma
zostac jutro podpisana przez Obame.

Okazuje sie, ze czesc pakietu tego prawa ma wymoc na agencjach
odpowiedzialnosc za ratingi. Z jednej strony jest to zupelnie logiczne i
zrozumiale, bowiem wlasnie agencje ratingowe wpuscily inwestorow w maliny
wystawiajac zbyt wysokie ratingi na ryzykowne bondy oparte o kredyty
hipoteczne. Z drugiej jednak strony agencje ratingowe w obliczu niemalze
natychmiastowego wejscia tego prawa w zycie boja sie wystawiac ratingi i
odmawiaja klientom co powoduje, ze emisje bondow nie moga sie przez to
uplasowac. To zas w oczywisty sposob wplywa na finansowanie i rynkowe stopy
procentowe pozyczek.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704723604575379650414337676.html
Interesujace jest to, ze jesli te agencje beda mialy ponosic ryzyko
wspolodpowiedzialnosci za ew. utrate wartosci bondow i papierow wartosciowych
przez nie ocenianych, to moze sie okazac, ze nagle zmieni sie zupelnie ich
model biznesowy i znacznie spadna im obroty.

Wyobrazmy sobie taka sytuacje, ze Goldman Sachs zechce wypromowac i sprzedac
kolejny Abakus. Tym razem to sie nie uda, bo nie dostanie na to ratingu i nie
przygotuje emisji. Agencja ratingowa nawet nie zblizy sie do zawarcia takiego
zlecenia.

I kolejna ewentualnosc to jest zmiana ratingu kredytowego USA. Przeciez jest
mnostwo podmiotow kupujacych obligacje UST. Jesli te podmioty na tym
kiedykolwiek straca, to takie Moodys moze miec problem. Dlatego wyglada na to,
ze ten pakiet prawny moze miec calkiem interesujace konsekwencje, bo agencje
ratingowe moga w zamian zafundowac politykom obnizenie rating dlugu rzadowego.

Po tej reformie Agencje ratingowe praktycznie nie maja zadnej mozliwosci
manewru - albo daja uczciwe ratingi i klienci na ich podstawie sami oceniaja
ryzyko - albo nie daja ratingow i ida z torbami.

Czy oni maja jakies wyjscie? Nie. Nie maja. Jesli Obama to podpisze, a
przeciez zapowiadal, ze podpisze - to agencjon pozostaje tylko jedno - ustawic
poprzeczke ratingu UST znacznie nizej jak dotychczas. I wtedy zupelnie inaczej
beda wygladac rekomendacje Ding-Dongow, czy Dong Bongow...



tekst artykulu:
Bond Sale? Don't Quote Us, Request Credit Firms
By ANUSHA SHRIVASTAVA

The nation's three dominant credit-ratings providers have made an urgent new
request of their clients: Please don't use our credit ratings.

The odd plea is emerging as the first consequence of the financial overhaul
that is to be signed into law by President Obama on Wednesday. And it already
is creating havoc in the bond markets, parts of which are shutting down in
response to the request.

Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings are all
refusing to allow their ratings to be used in documentation for new bond
sales, each said in statements in recent days. Each says it fears being
exposed to new legal liability created by the landmark Dodd-Frank financial
reform law.

The new law will make ratings firms liable for the quality of their ratings
decisions, effective immediately. The companies say that, until they get a
better understanding of their legal exposure, they are refusing to let bond
issuers use their ratings.

That is important because some bonds, notably those that are made up of
consumer loans, are required by law to include ratings in their official
documentation. That means new bond sales in the $1.4 trillion market for
mortgages, autos, student loans and credit cards could effectively shut down.

There have been no new asset-backed bonds put on sale this week, in stark
contrast to last week, when $3 billion of issues were sold. Market
participants say the new law is partly behind the slowdown.

"We are at a standstill right now," said Bingham McCutchen partner Ed Gainor,
who specializes in asset-backed securities.

Several companies are shelving their bond offerings "indefinitely," according
to Tom Deutsch, executive director of the American Securitization Forum, which
represents the market for bonds backed by assets such as auto loans and credit
cards. He said he knew of three offerings scheduled for coming weeks that are
now on hold.

The change caught the ratings agencies by surprise. The original Senate
version of the bill didn't include the provision. It was only on June 30, when
the Dodd-Frank bill was passed, that the exemption was removed. The Senate
passed the amended version on July 15. The offices of Sen. Christopher Dodd
(D-Conn.) and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) didn't immediately respond to a
request for comment.

Rating firms have warned that sections of the legislation concerning ratings'
firms legal liability could cause them to pull back from certain parts of the
market.

In an April 21 conference call, Moody's Chief Executive Raymond McDaniel told
investors that "we remain concerned that the bill's liability provisions would
lead to unintended consequences that could negatively impact the credit markets."

If greater liability provisions were passed, he continued, "we would implement
appropriate changes."

He added that Moody's, a unit of Moody's Corp., would rethink whether it still
made sense in a new regulatory environment to give ratings "for as many small
and perhaps marginal issuers as possible."

The confusion comes as investors, bankers and ratings companies across Wall
Street seek to digest the intricacies of the new law, the most sweeping since
the 1930s. The overhaul touches on virtually every part of the
financial-services world, part of an effort by lawmakers to head off another
financial crisis.

Ratings providers became a lightning rod for criticism after the financial
crisis. Their overly rosy assessments of many bonds, particularly complex
securities and bonds backed by subprime mortgages, were blamed for helping
fuel the meltdown of the credit markets.

In response, the Dodd-Frank bill revamped how the government treated
credit-ratings firms, which receive a special government designation that
allows them certain privileges and market access

Once the bill is signed into law, advice by the services will be considered
"expert" if used in formal documents filed with the Securities and Exchange
Commission. That definition would make them legally liable for their work,
meaning that it will be easier to sue an firm if a bond doesn't perform up to
the stated rating.

That is a change from the current law, which considers ratings merely an
opinion, protected like any other media such as a newspaper.

Prior to the Dodd-Frank bill, issuers were allowed to include the description
of the ratings in the offering documents without the consent of the rating
firms. Now, they will have to get written permission. And the rating providers
are concerned that giving such consent exposes them to liability they haven't
been exposed to in the past.

Unlike many parts of the larger financial-overhaul bill, these changes go into
effect as soon as it is signed into law. The speed of the move has spooked the
three firms.

All issued statements in recent days saying they will continue to issue bond
ratings. But they said they won't allow those ratings to be used in formal
documents accompanying bond sales, known as prospectuses and registration
statements.

One solution to the logjam is for sellers of bonds to offer their deals
privately. That means they would offer ratings that can be used in private
transactions but not in deals registered with the SEC and sold to the general
public. The private market is much smaller and more expensive than the public one.

On Friday, S&P, a unit of McGraw-Hill Cos., issued a release saying it would
"explore mechanisms outside of the registration statement to allow ratings to
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    • przycinek.usa i jeszcze jedno 21.07.10, 08:07
      Jakby ktos chcial sie uprzec i zrbic na to krotka, to polecam dwa symbole MCO i
      MHP. Ten pierwszy chyba lepszy. Mozna tez sprobowac szczescia z firma Fimalac
      ktora jest wspolwlascicielem Fitcha - symbol FIM.PA. Znacznym udzialowcem MCO
      jest Berkshire Buffeta - ale watpie, aby to zrobilo na nich wrazenie. Opcje sa
      na emisje B, bo A to watpie aby ktos chcial handlowac. BRK.B to symbol Berkshire
    • przycinek.usa potwierdzenie 21.07.10, 21:28
      Jest potwierdzenie tej informacji w WSJ. Wlasnie przeczytalem info z drutow, ze
      zarowno MCO jak i S&P prosi klientow o niepublikowanie swoich ratingow na
      produktach finansowych. Jak wiemy pakiet zostal podpisany przez Obame, wiec
      dzialania agencji sa obecnie oficjalne.
      MCO od rana silny i kupno, a MHP spadek na malym volumenie.


      Moody's (MCO), a ratings agency and McGraw-Hill (MHP), which owns rating
      agency S&P , are asking their clients not to use their credit ratings,
      according to the Wall Street Journal . The two companies, along with their
      competitor Fitch, are refusing to allow their ratings to be quoted by bond
      sellers due to the enactment of the financial regulatory reform law. The ratings
      agencies said they are taking this action because they are afraid that the
      financial reform law will expose them to significant liability. The law
      immediately makes ratings agencies liable for the quality of their ratings. In a
      note to investors, Piper Jaffary analyst Peter P. Appert wrote that the new
      law would cause the ratings agencies to be sued more frequently. However, Appert
      believes that the ratings agencies will be able to minimize the effects of this
      change by charging higher fees, implementing more conservative ratings
      standards, and standardizing their processes. The firm maintains an Overweight
      rating on McGraw-Hill and a Neutral rating on Moody's . In mid-afternoon
      trading, Moody's added 21c to $22.53 , while McGraw-Hill fell 13c to $29.65 .
      • przycinek.usa znowu krytyka z Chin 21.07.10, 23:00
        To bardzo interesujace wypowiedzi z ust osoby, ktora najwyrazniej zamierza
        rozpoczac przejmowanie rynku od dotychczasowych potentatow. Wyglada na to, ze to
        jest zaplanowana rozgrywka, ktora rozpoczela dosyc glosna juz miana ratingu
        dlugu USA. Jesli Chinczycy naprawde mowia to co mysla, a na to wyglada - to maja
        plan i ten plan najwyrazniej polega na promowaniu wlasnej Agencji Ratingowej
        kosztem wielkiej trojki. Biorac pod uwage status finansowy Chin ta nieznana
        dotad agencja, moze nagle okazac sie waniejsza, niz nam sie wydaje na pierwszy
        rzut oka. Kto by pomyslal?


        www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5632a0b8-94b7-11df-b90e-00144feab49a.html
        The western rating agencies are politicised and highly ideological and they
        do not adhere to objective standards,
        ” Guan Jianzhong, chairman of Dagong
        Global Credit Rating, told the Financial Times in an interview.

        (...)

        “The US is insolvent and faces bankruptcy as a pure debtor nation but the rating
        agencies still give it high rankings ,” Mr Guan said. “Actually, the huge
        military expenditure of the US is not created by themselves but comes from
        borrowed money, which is not sustainable.”.
        • dirloff 2 sprawy... 22.07.10, 00:11
          1. O tej chińskiej agencji ratingowej pisałem. Utworzyłem nawet
          osobny wątek, spekulując nad konsekwencjami jej "wejścia na salony".

          2. Arthur Andersen. Warto przytoczyć te dwa słowa, będące nazwą
          kiedyś znanej i prestiżowej firmy, hehe. Podejrzewam, że z agencjami
          ratingowymi jest tożsamo jak z dawnymi/obecnymi, międzynarodowymi
          firmami consultingowymi/audytorskimi. Kwestia ceny... Przy regulacji
          wymuszającej prawdziwą rzetelność/uczciwość, takie firmy nie mają
          racji bytu. Z przyczyn oczywistych mogłyby "obsługiwać" znikomy
          procent dzisiejszych własnych klientów.
          • przycinek.usa Re: 2 sprawy... 22.07.10, 02:39
            Andersen to zupelnie inna sprawa. Wydaje mi sie, ze Enron byl zbyt mala
            katastrofa, aby przymknac oczy i dlatego kilka osob poszlo nawet siedziec, co w
            swietle wydarzen ostatnich 2 lat jest wprost niewiarygodne. Teraz winnych jest
            tak wielu, umoczeni sa politycy, bankierzy, ze trudno oczekiwac oskarzen, bo
            reka reke myje.

            Ta ustawa jest bardzo elegancka forma kary, poniewaz w sposob bezosobowy
            znacznie zredukuje biznes agencji ratingowych w USA.
            Nikt nie pojdzie do wiezienia (choc powinien) ale wlasciciele tych firm
            ucierpia. I miedzy innymi chyba o to wlasnie chodzilo w tym calym bajzlu z
            reforma finansowa. Nie dalo sie nikomu postawic zarzutow za te ratingi - to
            przywalili prawem, ktorego obecnosc skomplikuje im prace. Oczywiscie te przepisy
            bedzie mozna obejsc. Jestem pewny, ze uda sie stworzyc jakas forme furtki
            prawnej, przy ktorej ratingi nadal beda sie pojawiac na emisjach smieciowego
            dlugu. Stanie sie to jednak kosztowne o czym zaczynaja powoli pisac gazety.
            Wyglada na to, ze powoli zaczyna robic sie smrod dookola tej trojki.

            www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7903371/Bond-market-chaos-forecast-as-Wall-Street-reform-restricts-use-of-credit-ratings.html
            • przycinek.usa przypominam 22.07.10, 21:33
              S&P juz w czerwcu ostrzegl, ze moze obnizyc rating Moody's. Wbrew pozorom jest
              to naprawde ciekawa rozgrywka. Obserwujemy cos, co zdarza sie naprawde rzadko -
              zderzenie swiata polityki z rzeczywistymi firmami. To sie naprawde rzadko
              zdarza, aby doszlo do takiego konfliktu interesow.


              finance.yahoo.com/news/SP-puts-Moodys-on-watch-for-apf-298682893.html?x=0
              NEW YORK (AP)
    • przycinek.usa a moze nie boja sie? 23.07.10, 01:43
      Sa rozne niepotwierdzone informacje, ze brak ratingow po prostu wstrzymal akcje
      kredytowa na rynku. Mozliwe wiec, ze w rachube wchodzi cos powazniejszego od
      tylko strachu przed wystawieniem ratingu. Moze chodzi o to, ze agencje celowo
      wstrzymuja sie aby wywrzec nacisk na wladze? Trudno powiedziec. Gdyby jednak
      doszlo do takiego szantazu, to prawa chyba juz nie zmienia. Moze ktos te firmy
      zechciec wykupic? Wtedy najlatwiej byloby chyba kupic Fitcha, ale zarowno
      Moody's jak i S&P tez przeciez beda na sprzedaz - to tylko kwestia ceny. To
      naprawde ciekawa sytuacja.
      • przycinek.usa ratingi juz niepotrzebne 23.07.10, 17:41
        SEC dopuszcza emisje bez ratingow!
        Ratingi juz niepotrzebne? He he he he.

        online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704421304575383643223013802.html?reflink=barrons_redirect
        By ANUSHA SHRIVASTAVA And FAWN JOHNSON

        The Securities and Exchange Commission moved to defuse turmoil in the bond
        markets caused by ratings firms' refusal to allow their credit ratings to be
        used in deal documents.

        Late Thursday, the agency said it would temporarily allow bond sales to go ahead
        without credit ratings in bond offering documents, a move that would end a
        stalemate between ratings agencies and issuers.

        The two sides were at odds over changes enacted Wednesday in the landmark
        financial-overhaul bill. The new law regards bond-ratings firms as "experts" and
        holds them liable for the quality of their ratings.

        But the firms, including Moody's Investors Service, Standard & Poor's, Fitch
        Ratings and others, have said the new standard creates too much risk for them.
        That is why they have begun withholding permission to use ratings on new bond
        issues. The problem is that big parts of the bond markets—notably the
        asset-backed securities—require a rating by law.

        The SEC's waiver will be in place for six months. But the SEC said its action
        doesn't change or negate the new laws governing ratings agencies that came into
        effect with the signing of the Dodd-Frank bill this week.

        "This action will provide issuers, rating agencies and other market participants
        with a transition period in order to implement changes to comply with the new
        statutory requirement while still conducting registered ABS offerings," said
        Meredith Cross, director of the SEC's division of corporation finance.

        The ratings agencies' refusal to stand behind their own ratings had shut down
        the $1.4 trillion market for asset-backed securities for the past few days,
        scuttling several offerings, including one by Ford Motor Co.'s financing arm.

        "It appears this could alleviate short-term pressure and provide temporary
        relief so new issuance can get done," said Paul Jablansky, an ABS strategist at
        the Royal Bank of Scotland.

        Rating firms have been lobbying hard on the issue. On Tuesday, S&P President
        Deven Sharma met with SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro to discuss a variety of topics,
        including the rule change, according to a person familiar with the matter.

        Mr. Sharma recently voiced concerns that ratings providers might have to change
        their practices because of the new laws.

        S&P, a unit of McGraw-Hill Cos., declined to comment on the SEC's decision.

        A spokesman for Fitch, a unit of Fimalac SA, said the agency's action "should
        afford market participants with a window to consider various implications of the
        new law and develop modified practices as appropriate."

        A spokesman for Moody's, a unit of Moody's Corp., said: "We strongly support
        efforts to remove ratings from regulation and will continue to work with
        regulators and market participants to implement relevant aspects of the
        Dodd-Frank bill as effectively as possible."

        "The SEC's action gives welcome relief to the ABS markets, which have been
        pummeled in recent days by uncertainty as a result of the recent adoption of the
        Dodd-Frank Act," said Lewis Cohen, a partner at Clifford Chance LLP. "It's still
        a wide-open question as to how things will play out in the longer term."

        The SEC's waiver will be in place for six months.

        Under the new laws, the ratings companies are no longer exempt from the
        classification of "expert," a title that brings with it potentially greater
        liabilities, akin to those of lawyers or auditors who offer expert opinions.

        Ratings companies have been trying to fend off the issue for months and, at one
        point, it seemed like they had succeeded. But a small clause re-emerged late in
        the process of pulling the financial laws together.

        In October 2009, the SEC sought comments from industry participants about
        whether it should propose rescinding the "expert" exemption for credit ratings
        in securities-registration statements. The SEC wanted to know what impact that
        might have on markets in light of the rating industry's growth and how investors
        use credit ratings.

        In December, rating-company representatives submitted letters arguing against a
        rescission. Earlier this year, representatives of S&P and Moody's met with the
        SEC to discuss the issue.

        Some large investors have supported removing the exemption. In an April letter
        to the SEC, the California Public Employees' Retirement System said "making
        credit rating agencies civilly liable for misstatements or omissions which they
        cause to be placed in securities offerings" would represent "a large step
        forward in deterring harmful conduct" by credit raters in the structured-finance
        area.
        —Aaron Lucchetti and Serena Ng contributed to this article.
        • przycinek.usa konkurencja 28.07.10, 17:04
          Jak wiadomo czas zawsze daje wszystkie odpowiedzi, wiec wyjasnilo sie, ze
          dingdong ma ochote wejsc na rynek w USA. To jest uwzglednione w ostatnim zdaniu
          z tej notatki:

          www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-27/ratings-don-t-reflect-debt-risk-of-local-chinese-governments-dagong-says.html
          O, przepraszam, dagong, trzeba sie zaczac powoli uczyc nazwy, bo w koncu moga
          byc tu obecni juz we wrzesniu. he he he he.
          • przycinek.usa Moodys straszy 29.07.10, 18:24
            ze rzad powinien sie wiecej starac, bo jak nie to:

            www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2919006320100729
            July 29 (Reuters) - The U.S. government needs to elaborate a credible plan to
            address its soaring debt in order to maintain its Aaa credit rating, Moody's
            Investors Service's told Dow Jones newswire.

            If U.S. government budget projections for debt as a percentage of national
            output and interest payments as a percentage of revenue are realized in coming
            years, the country's Aaa rating would come under scrutiny, Steve Hess, a senior
            credit officer in the sovereign risk group at Moody's told Dow Jones Newswires
            in an interview.

            Such a scenario, however, wouldn't lead to an automatic downgrade, Hess said.
            The analyst said the United States appears to have "no plan" to deal with its
            fiscal situation and that much will depend on the domestic political reaction to
            recommendations by President Barack Obama's fiscal responsibility commission in
            December.

            The U.S. rating remains on a stable outlook at Moody's.

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