Szczepic -nie szczepic?

[agnihope]

Rtec w szczepionkach powodujaca u niektorych autyzm...smierc
nastolatek po szczepienich na raka szyjki macicy,smierc nemowlat po
szczepieniach potrojna szczepionka na tezec, blonice i
koklusz...kurcze zwariowac mozna...a co wy wiecie na ten temat
dziewczyny?

[aneta05]

agnihope napisała:

> Rtec w szczepionkach powodujaca u niektorych autyzm...smierc
> nastolatek po szczepienich na raka szyjki macicy,smierc nemowlat
po
> szczepieniach potrojna szczepionka na tezec, blonice i
> koklusz...kurcze zwariowac mozna...a co wy wiecie na ten temat
> dziewczyny?

a gdzies Ty takie cuda wyczytala? podaj zrodla naukowe
szczepionki ktore dostala moja corka nie mialy rteci

[edytkus]

ja szczepie, ryzyko wystapienia powiklan w stosunku do benefits
jakie daja sczepienia jest nieporownanie male. Juz trzeci miesiac
meczy mnie kaszel, nawet bylo podejrzenie krztusca, poczytalam sobie
o tym i wg statystyk mnostwo niemowlat wciaz na to umiera - te
nieszczepione, a zarazic sie jest dosc latwo bo dorosly szczepiony
kiedys tam w dziecinstwie odpornosci juz nie ma.
www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/whooping_cough_returns_to_hunt.html
nie ma czegos takiego jak choroby przeszlosci:
www.pertussis.com/locate.html
niektore moglyby zostac wyeleminowane gdyby WSZYSCY sie szczepili

[magdziol18]

temat dlugi jak rzeka, przeczytaj ksiazke Dr Searsa the vaccine book
ja nie szczepie

[edytkus]

magdziol18 napisała:

> temat dlugi jak rzeka, przeczytaj ksiazke Dr Searsa the vaccine
book
> ja nie szczepie
>

ciekawe, bo sam autor ksiazki wypowiada sie na swojej stronie int.
tak:
I agree on many things, including the opinion that vaccines are
extremely important and have been one of the most valuable public
health endeavors in the past several decades. (...) In fact, the
book encourages parents to vaccinate their children.

[magdziol18]

Podoba mi sie ta ksiazka, bo jest przejrzyscie napisana, sa podane
sklady szczepionek, wierze mu
moja decyzja o nieszczepieniu zostala podjeta zanim przeczytalam
jego ksiazke,
jako ciekawostka zostaly przeprowadzone badania na szczurach -
dawano im rozne dawki szczepionek w zaleznosci od wieku - i
zabserwowano roznice, a patrzcie, dzieciom podaje sie szczpionki w
takiej samej dawce, niezaleznie ile waza, moja coreczka niecale 3 kg
a kolezanki synek ponad 4 i co tyle samo by dostali...
Sears poruszyl w ksiazce problem aliminium, jest jego w
szczepionkach bardzo duzo,
M

[marta2777]

temat walkowany tysiace razy. prawdy w tym musi cos byc bo znikad te
wszystkie dyskusje by sie nie braly. Ja szczepie, bo musimy. Adam
jest dzieckiem zlobkowym. Gdybym nie musiala, pewnie zastanowilabym
sie nad szczepieniem wybiorczym i opoznionym. Jednak w ogole
nieszczepic bym sie nie zdecydowala, moze jedynie w sytuacji gdyby
moje dziecko obciazone bylo juz od urodzenia jakimis problemami
zdrowotnymi i nie chcialabym dodatkowo obciazac oslabionego
organizmu. NA razie moj syn ma sie dobzre, i modle sie zeby tak juz
zostalo :)

[olensia]

Ja szczepie. Szczerze to nie czytam duzo na ten temat - zeby nikt tu nie myslal
ze nie dbam o dobro moich dzieci. Poprostu jest tyle sprzecznych zdan na ten
temat, ze dalam sobie z tym spokoj... Nie przezylabym gdyby ktores z moich
dzeici zachorowalo na cos na co nie dostalo szczepienia. Wszystko sie moze
zdarzyc. A oststnio u lekarza czytalam ze naukowcy przeprowadzili badania i nie
ma zadnego zwiazku miedzy autyzmem i szczepieniami - zbieg okolicznosci. Co do
ksztusca to teraz podaja szczepienia wraz ze szczepinka nz tezec (co 10 lat).
Moze juz tak jest od dawna, ale pierwszy raz spotkalam sie z tym tutaj.

[aniutek]

nie prawda, wszystkie pediatryczne IM ( zastrzyki) wszystkie leki sa
mierzone wg wagi. nawet te OTC.

[edytais]

Ja nie szczepie. Dzieci tez byly zlobkowe/przedszkolne i mialam zwolnienie ze
szczepionek (nazywa sie vaccine exemption). Wysylam swistek do Dept. of
Health, ze nie szczepie. Oni mi poczta wysylaja, ze jestem ja i dzieci
zwolnieni ze szczepien (ja musialam miec tez ze wzgledu na studia).

[niemasznicka]

To, ze na skladzie szczepionki nie jest napisane "rtec" nie znaczy, ze jej tam
nie ma.
Szczepionki we fiolkach z kilkoma porcjami maja zazwyczaj thimerosal (nie
zawsze), ktory o ile dobrze pamietam to 50 czy 60% rtec by weight. No ale
producenci nie maja obowiazku pisania tego na label. Durna zasada. Jak zapytasz
lekarza to oczywiscie, ze powie iz w skladzie rteci nie ma.
Edytkus przywolalas tyko fragment, ktory Tobie odpowiada. Ciekawe, ze po
przeczytaniu tej ksiazki ludzie albo wcale nie szczepia albo obcinaja
szczepionki w ilosci i czestotliwosci.
Ktoras z dziewczyn pisala, ze szczepi poniewaz dziecko jest zlobkowe. Nie musisz
jak nie chcesz prawie wszystkie (jest kilka wyjatkow) stany maja exemption.
Mieszkam na FL i mam takie exemption. Nie moga odmowic przyjecia dziecka z
exemption. Jedyne co to jezeli bedzie ogloszona oficjalna epidemia to Twoje
dziecko musi zostac w domu.
Ostatnie ogloszenie z Generation Rescue w USA Today, oto one:
www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-ad-feb.pdf
Kilka rzeczy wartych przeczytania.

iansvoice.org/default.aspx
educate-yourself.org/vcd/
www.whale.to/vaccines/mendelsohn.html
www.generationrescue.org/pdf/user_friendly.pdf
www.drnatura.pl/bezpieczenstwo_szczepionek.htm
Ciekawa strona jest www.ageofautism.com

Jezeli szczepiac dziecko mysli, ze jest chronione przed choroba to jest to myly
tok. Nierozpowszechnione badania wywnioskowaly, iz w wiekszosci przypadkow
odpornosc znika po 5-13 latach. Wiec np dlatego tez pediatrzy zostali zalecenia
by dawac MMR poraz drugi w wieku 4-5 lat bo okazalo sie, ze to ich cale MMR to
nie taki cukierek jakby chcieli.
Wychodzi na to, ze taka dla przykladu swinka ktora jest niebezpieczna dla
chlopca w wieku dojrzewania wlasnie wtedy moze sie pojawic bo odpornosc znika.
Napiszcie prosze czy zadna z Was nie chorowala na ospe, swinke, rozyczke czy
odre? Ja w wieku przedszkolnym przeszlam wszystkie te choroby i mam sie dobrze.
Dzieki temu mam odpornosc do konca zycia. Gdyby tak zaszczepiono mnie w wieku
roku czy dwoch to kto wie czy np nie musialabym martwic sie na zachorowanie na
rozyczke bedac w ciazy. Czy nie lepiej zaszczepic chlopca na swinke w wieku 7
lat a dziewczynke na rozyczke w wieku 14-tu?

Taki np Gardasil.
www.nypost.com/seven/07202008/news/regionalnews/my_girl_died_as_guinea_pig_for_gardasil_120737.htm
Czy ktos mowi o tym, ze szczepow HPV jest ponad 300 a szczepionka chroni przed
tak znikoma iloscia, ze szkoda ryzyka na ta szczepionke. W Australii i Hiszpanii
juz ja wycofano.

[wespuczi]

wow

[aniutek]

czy obawy o, przypadki autyzmu zwiazane z MMR vac. dotycza tylko
pierwszej dawki?
2ga jest rekomendowana pomiedzy 4 a 6 rokiem zycia, no i tak sie
zastanawiam... z wiekiem robie sie coraz bardziej sceptyczna.

[agnihope]

Aniutek jesli do tej pory nic sie nie stalo mozesz byc spokojna.Ja
bym zapomniala o dalszych szczepieniach i powypelniala wszystkie
mozliwe papierki .MOWIE NIE SZCZEPIENIOM.Artykuly do ktorych
dotarlam sa pisane przez lekarzy...Firmy farmaceutyczne i lobby
pediatryczne robi na zdrowiu a czasem zyciu naszych dzieci miliony a
to my patrzymy potem na cierpienia naszych Maluchow.Wnuk mojego
meza dostal zapalenia opon mozgowych po szczepieniach...Powiazanie
znalazlam wczoraj!!!Moja Misia ma 6 tygodni zostala zaszczepiona na
hep B i to bylo jej pierwsze i OSTATNIE szcepienie.Dlaczego zaczelam
grzebac?nie wyszla jeszcze z zoltaczki fizjologicznej lekarz
powiedzial ze jest ok zeby szczepic...a ona zrobila sie bardziej
zolta.Skonczylam tutaj medycyne naturalna i zawsze wydwalo mi sie ze
szczepienia to naturalny chociaz inwazyjny sposob na nauczenie
systemu immunologicznego na wytropienie i zniszczenie zagrozenia.
Nawet nie chcialam slyszec ze moze byc inaczej...Najpierw przetkalam
uszy a teraz otworzylam oczy.

Zapomnialam dodac a bardzo wazne.

[niemasznicka]

Kolejna sprawa zostalw wygrana w sadzie tylko jakos dziwnie cicho jest w TV.
Udowodniono, ze MMR wywolal autyzm. Hmmm.. ale by sie zaczelo dzic jakby o tym
wszystkie stacje zaczely trabic jak o tym co Obama wybiera na obiad.
big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf

ANOTHER AUTISM CASE WINS IN VACCINE COURT
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

On February 12, the federal "Vaccine Court" in Washington issued a sweeping
ruling in three highly touted "test cases" against families who claimed that
their childrens' autism had been caused by vaccines. The Special Masters in
those three cases found that Petitioners failed to establish causation between
MMR vaccines, the mercury-laced vaccine preservative thimerosal, and autism (the
court decision, which is under appeal, deferred any finding on a thimerosal-only
theory of causation). The rulings could have a significant precedential impact
on some 5,000 families who opted to bring their cases in the Omnibus Autism
Proceedings (OAP) hoping that the vaccine court would officially hold that the
MMR vaccine or thimerosal had caused autism in their children.

The New York Times joined the government Health Agency (HRSA) and its big pharma
allies hailing the decisions as proof that the scientific doubts about vaccine
safety had finally been "demolished." The US Department of Health and Human
services said the rulings should "help reassure parents that vaccines do not
cause autism." The Times, which has made itself a blind mouthpiece for HRSA and
a leading defender of vaccine safety, joined crowing government and vaccine
industry flacks applauding the decisions like giddy cheerleaders, rooting for
the same court that many of these same voices viscously derided just one year
ago, after Hannah Poling won compensation for her vaccine induced autism.

But last week, the parents of yet another child with autism spectrum disorder
(ASD) were awarded a lump sum of more than $810,000 (plus an estimated
$30-40,000 per year for autism services and care) in compensation by the Court,
which ruled that the measels-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine had caused acute brain
damage that led to his autism spectrum disorder.

The family of 10-year-old Bailey Banks won their case quietly and without
fanfare in June of 2007, but the ruling has only now come to public attention.
In the remarkably clear and eloquent decision, Special Master Richard Abell
ruled that the Banks had successfully demonstrated that "the MMR vaccine at
issue actually caused the conditions from which Bailey suffered and continues to
suffer."

Bailey's diagnosis is Pervasive Developmental Disorder

[niemasznicka]

He recommended instead filing a non autism claim like "mental retardation with
seizure disorder" for an autistic client.
Although the vaccine court is mandated to fairly serve the victims of vaccine
injuries, their primary purpose and raison d'etre is to protect the vaccine
program and vaccine makers. Damages are doled out from a 75-cent tax on every
vaccine sold and not from the vaccine makers. "You can understand why special
masters, burdened with their duty to protect vaccine programs, might be
unwilling to make the direct causal link between autism and vaccines," Krakow
observed. "If you ask the big question and answer it in the affirmative, there
is a sense that it will damage the vaccine program irreparably."
Vaccine Court judges are equipped with a draconian armory of weapons deployable
against plaintiffs intent on proving the causal connection between vaccines and
autism. Jury trials are prohibited. Damages are capped; awards for pain and
suffering are strictly limited and punitive damages banned altogether. Vaccine
defenders have an army of Department of Justice attorneys with virtually
unlimited resources for expert witnesses and other litigation costs. Plaintiffs,
in contrast, must fund the up front costs for experts on their own. In a
cultural choice that clearly favors defendants, vaccine court gives overwhelming
weight to written medical records which are often inaccurate

[niemasznicka]

Nie chce wklejac linka poniewaz linki czasami przestaja dzialac a to jest moim
zdaniem wazne. Moze sie komus przyda.
Bailey Banks was given an MRI when his parents brought him to the hospital 16
days after his MMR vaccine, and that helped confirm his diagnosis. The children
I know who were brought in with similar symptoms were instead given Tylenol and
told to go home.
(Interestingly, Tylenol can affect production of glutathione, an essential
antioxidant and detoxifier. A preliminary study from UC San Diego showed that
children who were given Tylenol after their MMR vaccine were several times more
likely to develop autism than other children. "Tylenol and MMR was significantly
associated with autistic disorder," the authors wrote. "More research needs to
be completed to confirm the results of this preliminary study.")
Is vaccine-induced ADEM (and similar disorders) a neurological gateway for a
subset of children to go on and develop an ASD? That question will now become
subject to debate. Thousands of parents have reported similar reactions and
symptoms following vaccination, yet they lack radiological proof of ADEM or
related disorders in the form of an MRI. Meanwhile, most children with autism do
not present with myelin damage, but many do test positive for antibodies to
myelin basic protein (MBP).
Also worth noting is that ADEM causes an inflammatory response in the brain,
primarily in the microglial cells. It is also associated with abnormal cytokine
levels in the brain, and with autoimmunity. Autism, meanwhile, has been linked
to brain inflammation, microglial cell activation, cytokine imbalances, and
autoimmunity.
In most cases, symptoms of ADEM disappear within a few weeks or so, and the
disorder may be treated with IV cortisone to help reduce inflammation. But none
of the children with autism that I know were ever examined or treated for a
possible case of ADEM or other acute cases of encephalitis/demyelinating
disorder. By now, their myelin damage may have repaired itself, yet the damaging
agents, (MBP antibodies), persist.
ADEM is said to be rare, but the disorder may be grossly under-diagnosed (or
misdiagnosed). Even the government's chief witness against Bailey's case
testified that he sees patients with ADEM "on a fairly regular basis." What's
more, Bailey's was the third successful vaccine-ADEM case argued in Vaccine
Court (that we know of) so far.
Can ADEM Cause PDD/ASD?
Special Master Abell had no trouble linking MMR to ADEM in Bailey Banks' case.
But linking his ADEM to PDD/ASD was more difficult.
There is no medical literature to support an ADEM-PDD link. The government's
expert witness, Dr. John MacDonald, testified that "all the medical literature
is negative in that regard." Instead, he proposed an alternative hypothesis for
Bailey's PDD (he suggested it was caused by glucose transporter 1 deficiency).
But Special Master Abell berated the government's witness in much the same way
that Hastings et al. had criticized witnesses for the families in their three cases.
"This (glucose) hypothesis, which (MacDonald) declined to incorporate as a
plausible, probable theory of explanation, was used by Respondent to blunt
Petitioner's theory of ADEM," Abell wrote. "This hypothesis was not given to a
reasonable degree of medical probability or certainty, and Respondent's expert
admitted that it was merely 'a possible, not necessarily a probable diagnosis.'"
Abell also chided MacDonald for his assertion that "all the medical literature
is negative" in regards to an ADEM-PDD link. "However, soon thereafter, he
corrected this statement by clarifying, 'I can find no literature relating ADEM
to autism or [PDD],'" Abell wrote. "It may be that Respondent's research reveals
a dearth of evidence linking ADEM to PDD, but that is not the same as positive
proof that the two are unrelated, something Respondent was unable to produce.
Therefore, the statement that 'all the medical literature is negative' is
incorrect."
The Court also took MacDonald to task for insisting that Bailey's initial
symptoms were not 100% consistent with the signs of ADEM. "His distinction seems
one of degree, not of type, and strikes as a trifle semantic," Abell sniffed. He
also noted that McDonald was having a hard time determining Bailey's current
diagnosis. "He ultimately concluded that 'Bailey falls into the large group of
children with autism/PDD in which by our current evidence-based medicine we
rarely can make a specific diagnosis.'"
Special Master Abell seemed to lend more credence to witnesses for the Banks family.
Chief among them was Dr. Ivan Lopez, a neurologist and psychiatrist. Dr. Lopez
testified that "the majority of patients with ADEM improve significantly," but
added that "the exception to this rule is when patients have been exposed to
measles, just like in the case of MMR vaccine," in which case subsequent brain
damage "may occur in up to 50 percent of patients." He said such events include
"mental syndromes such as PDD and others," and opined that "up to 50 percent of
patients...who have had ADEM will show (PDD) as a consequence."
Dr. Lopez, a member of the US Military, gave his testimony by phone from Mobile,
AL where, the next day, he was to ship out for a tour of duty in Iraq.
In his conclusion, Special Master Abell wrote:
The Court found that Bailey's ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately
caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue
can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of
the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM.
Furthermore, Bailey's ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage,
and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized
heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey
would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR
vaccine, and that this chain of causation was not too remote, but was rather a
proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to
Pervasive Developmental Delay.
And he added this:
Petitioner's theory of PDD caused by vaccine-related ADEM causally connects
the vaccination and the ultimate injury, and does so by explaining a logical
sequence of cause and effect showing that the vaccination was the ultimate
reason for the injury.
Does Bailey Banks Have Autism?
Bailey Banks does not have "classic" or full-blown autism. But he has been
diagnosed with PDD-NOS, which is squarely on the autism spectrum of disorders.
There was quite a bit of back-and-forth on Bailey's diagnosis in the ruling,
whose heading included the term "Non-autistic developmental delay." At several
points in the proceedings, witnesses took great pains to say that Bailey does
not have "autism" which, technical speaking, is true.
On the other hand, Special Master Abell included notations declaring that
"Pervasive Developmental Delay describes a class of conditions, and it is
apparent from the record that the parties and the medical records are referring
to Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS)."
Even so, some will argue that Bailey does not have an ASD. They are simply
wrong. The diagnosis of PDD-NOS was added to the list of autism spectrum
disorders in the 1980s. It was precisely from the inclusion of these "milder"
cases into the total number, that the CDC came up with the estimate of 1-in-150
US children with some form of "autism/ASD."
So, if Bailey does not have ASD, then the number of "autism" cases is well below
the 1-in-150 mark and needs to be revised downward (the CDC once estimated that
40% of ASD cases were "non-autistic" in the classic sense).

[niemasznicka]

What's more, Bailey does not have a "mild" form of ASD

[marta2777]

jestem swiadoma tego, ze mozna zalatwic sobie zaswiadczenie o
nieszczepieniu, ale nie zdecydowalam sie bo tutaj u nas to cala
procedura jest wokol tego. Poza tym moj maly bardzo chorowal pzrez
pierwsze dwa sezony w zlobku, i nie mialam serca fundowac mu jeszcze
kolejnych chorob. Gdybym mogla byc z nim w domu, mialabym wieksza
kontrole nad jego zdrowiem i latwiej byloby mi to wszystko ogarnac.
Poprostu nie mam na to sily. Czasami trzeba wybrac lepsze wyjscie w
calej sytuacji. Ostatecznie zyja cale zastepy dzieci , ktore jakos
pzretrwaly ten caly arsenal szczepien i wyrosli z nich zdrowi ludzie
umyslem i cialem. Nie popadajmy w obled.

[aniutek]

naczytalam sie po pachy i moje wnioski sa takie:
Ians story jest wstrzasajaca, straszna. Dziecko bylo alergic to
antibiotics, do szczepionki, zdarzyla sie tragedia, czy ktos mogl
jej zapobiec? nie znalazlam odpowiedzi na stronie.
wiele informacji na necie ten temat jest z lekka nawiedzonych,
trzeba przez grube sito przesiac i wziac dla siebie prawdziwa
wiedze a nie przyuszczenia.

zastanawiam sie czy szczepic Zule na MMR - druga dawka, po prostu
nie wydaje mi sie ta szczepionka potrzebna w NYS jedynym odstepstwem
jest religious beliefs
www.emsc.nysed.gov/sss/HealthServices/modelreligiousexemptionformmarch10.pdf
nie mam pojecia jak umotywowac, co tam napisac... jak do tego
podejsc...

[niemasznicka]

iansvoice.org/vaccines.aspx
Mama Ian'a napisala na web, ze Ona rozumie, ze lekarz nie wiedzial iz maly moze
miec tak silna reakcje. Tylko nie majac takiej wiedzy, tzn ze dziecko jest
alergikiem lub nie po co szczepic w pierwszych godzinach zycia. Hep B mozesz
zarazic sie przez stosunek seksualny z zarazonym lub np. w czasie operacji wiec
takiemu maluchowi to nie grozi. Wiec po jaka cholere?
"Consider this: Hepatitis B is not airborne. It is contracted through sex, use
of drug needles and blood transfusions. Unless you or your baby is involved in
any of these, vaccination is not necessary for your child.Further, the hepatitis
B vaccine is made of baker’s yeast. It is the only man made vaccine. The rest
are made from the disease itself. Across the board, parenting books tell us
yeast is one of the things to avoid for youngsters because of its high allergic
reaction rate in children. Thus, the vaccine they give your child contains a
known allergen. Children who are allergic to yeast may have a reaction. How do
you know if your newborn is allergic to yeast? You don’t. It’s a gamble. You
decide: Does the benefit outweigh the risk? "
Wlasnie o to chodzi, ze szczepionek jest tyle bo to tak na wszelki wypadek. Ale
trzeba tez rozwazyc za i przeciw, gdzie jest wieksza szkoda. CHodzi tez o to, ze
meczyli malego roznymi silnymi lekami i badaniami po ktorych tylko jego stan sie
pogarszal a nikt nawet nie zwrocil uwagi na powiazanie faktow z hep B. Zamiast
pomagac zaszkodzili. Jego mama pisze tez, ze byla w szoku ile jest powiklan
poszczepiennych w CDC reports, wlacznie ze smiercia dziec a to i taknie sa
prawdziwe numbers, o tym sie mowi wszedzie i publicznie.
"We received 12 vaccines and kids today get 36 with two more to be added this
year. It is unthinkable. If parents knew what was really in the shots and the
possible side effects they would never vaccinate. The reporting of adverse
reactions is done by VAERS and that information is what the CDC uses for their
statistics. BUT most doctors believe that kids cannot have a reaction to
vaccines (which is absurd) so they do not report it and are not held accountable
for not doing so. SO the public doesn't know the true numbers because there it
goes unreported."

Ja przeciez tez bylam szczepiona tylko zamiast 36 szczepionek mialam ich .....
hmmm pewnie z 10. W sumie musze sobie to sprawdzic i zyje. Oczywiscie nie biore
tu pod uwage osob ktore jeszcze w busz w Afryce i chca sie szczepic przeciwko
jakims dziwnym chorobom. CHodzi mi o zdrowe dziecko zyjace w cywilizowanych
warunkach tego swiata.
Wszystkim sie wydaje, ze osoby piszoce cokolwiek przeciwko szczepienion nie chca
ich wcale. Jednak chodzi o to zeby nie dawac TYLU szczepionek w tak krotkim
czasie. Czy ze schedule ktory mialam ja jako dziecko jest cos nie tak?
Moje dziecko jest szczepione do 9-ciu m-cy. Potem juz nie.
Wszystkim sie wydaje, ze autyzm to jedyne powiklania. Jest baaaardzo duzo innych
problemow ktore moga wystapic po takich ilosciach szczepien, oczywiscie zwykly
pediatra w 95% nie powiaze tego razem. Jak sie przyznac przed samym soba, ze
czasami robi sie jednak wiecej zlego niz dobrego.
Moje dziecko ma leaky gut syndrome, to co sie z tym meczymy to moje.
Ubiegajac Wasze pytania. Nie, oczywiscie pediatra nie potwierdzil zwiazku ale
wystarczy powiazac wszystko razem i wychodzi jak czarno na bialym.
Jezlei chodzi o form z NY to nie wiem, mozesz napisac co chcesz. Przeciez tego i
tak nie sprawdza. Jezeli chcesz pominac MMR to napisz, ze Twoja religia nie
zgadza sie na wszczepianie zywych wirusow w organizmi, tyle. Przeciez
przepytywac Cie nie beda? U mnie nie maja sie prawa zapytac co i dlaczego.
Idziesz, dajesz formularz (imie, nazwisko, DOB i adres) i daja niebieska
karteczke, ze dziecko jest zwolnione.

Aha, w blogu tez sa ciekawe info:
iansvoice.org/Blog.aspx

[beatamc]

szczepilam przez pierwszy rok. Nie chcialam, ale to dziecko jest tez mojego
meza. On mial inne zdanie, do czasu... Komplikacje juz tu na forum opisywalam.
Teraz nie szczepie. Nie bede eliminowac wszystkich szczepionek, ale te zbedne
nie beda mojej malej serwowane. Napewno nigdy nie bede malej i siebie szczepic
na grype.
Lekarka tez juz mi glowy nie suszy szczepieniami.