Poland's "The most and the least"...?

[waldek1610]

I wonder how the way outsiders perceive Poland has changed from last decade?

What has changed for better and what has changed for worst?
What would you recomend to your fellow countrymen who were planing to visit
Poland, and what would you complain about?

I hope there's more to Poland in your view, then beautifull nature and ...
Polish women
Is there anything man made, that impresses you foreigners about Poland?

[tjbazuka]

>Is there anything man made, that impresses you foreigners about Poland?

DODA!!. SUPER LASKA :~p

[waldek1610]

tjbazuka napisał:

> >Is there anything man made, that impresses you foreigners about Poland?
>
> DODA!!. SUPER LASKA :~p

Well, Doda is not the man made structure, humans are the part of the biological
group, just as other animals...

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:


> What has changed for better and what has changed for worst?
> What would you recomend to your fellow countrymen who were planing to visit
> Poland, and what would you complain about?

Are you planning to visit Poland?

[varsovian]

Come on, be kind to Waldek.
To be honest, the question is a jaded topic, as everyone has done it to death
over the last few years. Can't we say simply that it is a boring subject of
conversation which has been amply dealt with before and so can we have
something more thought-provoking, please?

[usenetposts]

I would just say that the more "man-made" things are, the less impressive I
find them, and that one of the things I do like about this place is that it is
a bit less "man made" than a lot of the rest of Europe.

UK vs. Poland

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> I would just say that the more "man-made" things are, the less impressive I
> find them, and that one of the things I do like about this place is that it
> is a bit less "man made" than a lot of the rest of Europe.

Well, to tell you the truth when I see public infrastructure in UK, I find it
to be just a bit better it's counterpart in Poland, but when I see houses
ordinary Brits live in UK I'm rather dissapointed...they rather shady and
generic looking...

[varsovian]

Houses in Britain aren't good.

Local corruption and planning practices mean that private individuals can't
build their own houses, so over several generations property developers have
created very low quality expectations ... which they then struggle to fulfil!

And the situation isn't getting any better.

[varsovian]

IT'S JUST STRUCK ME IN A BLINDING REVELATION ...

Poles and Brits are made for each other - Poles should make houses, and Brits
roads!

By the way, there's now a very nice part EU funded road between Komorow and
Nadarzyn (west of Warsaw). Smooth, white lines, cats' eyes. Astonishing.
There's even a mini-roundabout at a junction ... although everyone drives over
the middle of it! Perhaps one day Poland will have good roads everywhere. Then
they'll have to invite foreign drivers to show them how to use their cars in a
reasonable way instead of attempting to organise accidents.

[waldek1610]

varsovian napisał:

> Houses in Britain aren't good.
> Local corruption and planning practices mean that private individuals can't
> build their own houses, so over several generations property developers have
> created very low quality expectations ... which they then struggle to fulfil!

But somehow they manage to arrange luxury living for celeebrities such Elton
John, Paul McCartney and so forth...



> And the situation isn't getting any better.

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:

> But somehow they manage to arrange luxury living for celeebrities such Elton
> John, Paul McCartney and so forth...

Nobody arranged houses for them, Waldo, they bought them.
If you have to start yet another thread comparing two countries that you don't
live in, why not choose different ones this time? Nicaragua and Iceland, for
example, since nobody else on this forum lives in either of them so you
wouldn't be at such a disadvantage.

[waldek1610]

you can't tell the person who was born in given country and lived there for
almost 20 years..... that he knows nothing about it. Do you now see the your
problem?

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:

> you can't tell the person who was born in given country and lived there for
> almost 20 years..... that he knows nothing about it. Do you now see the your
> problem?

You're a US citizen and you didn't understand the comment about Doda, but
probably all the foreigners who live in Poland did.
If you want to lecture people about a place that you left as a teenager, that's
not my problem.

Ianek,aha to tu Cie boli :)don't like arrogant US?

[waldek1610]

ianek70 napisał:

> You're a US citizen and you didn't understand the comment about Doda, but
> probably all the foreigners who live in Poland did.


I read your above statement and I though it had made no sense whatsoever.
Because the comment about Doda, impled that she is an example atractive "man
made structure" if you could call her that...that Poland has to offer.

I think you are imagining me to be some sort of proverbial; "typical fat and
silly Americanized Pole who left Poland when he was a teen and knows nothing
about Poland"... Far from truth.


> If you want to lecture people about a place that you left as a teenager,
> that's not my problem.


Then I studied your four lines again, and judging from your somewhat angry
comments I can clearly see that you have a problem with me being self assured
and opinionated person...Europeans would call me "Obnxious or boisterous
American"

You simply feel inferior because I'm telling you guys what my opinion is on
Poland or UK, which I have a right to do since I'm citizen of both countries,
and you are not What are you jealous Ianek? Don't feel powerfull enough?

[mafketis]

> Because the comment about Doda, impled that she is an example atractive "man
> made structure" if you could call her that...that Poland has to offer.

I would assume the comment about Doda implied that her ...(tasteful pause)...
assets aren't entirely ...(meaningful pause)... natural, that there have been
artificial enhancements. Did you not understand that?

> You simply feel inferior because I'm telling you guys what my opinion is on
> Poland or UK, which I have a right to do since I'm citizen of both countries,
> and you are not

Are you a citizen of the US or UK or do you consider yourself a citizen of
"both" Poland, the US and the UK?

[waldek1610]

just Poland and US, that's what I ment to say

Yawn...

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:

>
> I read your above statement and I though it had made no sense whatsoever.

Because, as has already been mentioned several hundred times on this forum, you
don't seem to know very much about life in today's Poland.
So it doesn't matter how much crap you talk about your Polish soul or passport,
your views are no more valid than anyone else's.

> I think you are imagining me to be some sort of proverbial; "typical fat and
> silly Americanized Pole who left Poland when he was a teen and knows nothing
> about Poland"... Far from truth.

I don't care if you're fat.

> Then I studied your four lines again,

So you do sometimes actually read posts before commenting on them?

> You simply feel inferior because I'm telling you guys what my opinion is on
> Poland or UK, which I have a right to do since I'm citizen of both countries,
> and you are not

You'd have a right to express your opinion on the UK even if you weren't a
citizen (which you're not anyway). My opinions of Poland are based on living
there for the last 12 years, yours are based on fantasies and childhood
memories.

Ianek you don't like asertive people, do you?

[waldek1610]

ianek70 napisał:

> waldek1610 napisał:
> > I read your above statement and I though it had made no sense whatsoever.


> Because, as has already been mentioned several hundred times on this forum,
> you don't seem to know very much about life in today's Poland.
> So it doesn't matter how much crap you talk about your Polish soul or
> passport, your views are no more valid than anyone else's.


Did I ever actually said "that my views are more valid then yours"? No, I have
not. Just because you feel that I make a strong statement, and I am confident
in stating my opinions, doesn't necessery means that my views are more valid
then opinions of others. If you feel that way that's you choice.

Yawn...

[ianek70]

Whatever, Waldo.

[minimus]

Waldo, can you please tell us how long you have been living outside of Poland,
and how long in any English speaking country?

[waldek1610]

minimus napisał:

> Waldo, can you please tell us how long you have been living outside of
> Poland, and how long in any English speaking country?

...so you can critisize my english? No thanks

Next time please watch how you formulate your questions, because few people
would answer the question in which you imply their language skills are rather
bad..."english speaking country"


Oh, one more thing; my name is Waldek.

[minimus]

LOL, I see your on your toes all the time. haha

[waldek1610]

sure, most people who respect themselves wouldn't get into discussion with a
person who's trying to get into verbal tugg-wars.

P.S. Do you have some kind of problem with me? I don't remember ever having
disagreement with you, or even ever talking to you for that matter. Perhaps you
feel treathened whenever I take part in discussions on FLiP forum?

[tjbazuka]

waldek1610 05.01.07, 06:00 + odpowiedz


tjbazuka napisał:

> >Is there anything man made, that impresses you foreigners about Poland?
>
> DODA!!. SUPER LASKA :~p

Well, Doda is not the man made structure, humans are the part of the biological
group, just as other animals...

Well, this is like your opinion man. A structure is like building kind of
thing. I think she was made by the man. But than again man, check this out:
There was a lot of snow on the ground and more was coming down. The blond sees
an announcement on TV that all cars should park on the north side of her street
for snow plow access. She tells her husband that she's going out to move the
car. The next night the same thing happens but this time the TV tells everyone
on her street to park their cars on the south side of the street to allow the
snow plow access the other side. She tells her husband she's going out to move
the car.The third night the snow is still coming down and the TV once again
announces that cars should park on the north side of the street. She tells her
husband that she's going out to move the car when her husband says "OK, but we
could just leave it in the garage tonight."
Hy,hy.hy!

Bazuka,your chatter's explosive your mind is not:)

[waldek1610]

tjbazuka napisał:

> waldek1610 05.01.07, 06:00 + odpowiedz

> tjbazuka napisał:

> > >Is there anything man made, that impresses you foreigners about Poland?

> > DODA!!. SUPER LASKA :~p

> Well, Doda is not the man made structure, humans are the part of the
> biological group, just as other animals...
> Well, this is like your opinion man. A structure is like building kind of
> thing. I think she was made by the man.


Make up your mind Mr. Smart Arse. It's like you were trying to prove this
incorrect and then you say it is...Besides I'm somewhat opposed to getting in
pointless conversation with person who call himself... TjBazuka.

What is this man, are you trying to prove to others and yourself that you so
quick witted and briliant? Believe me your supousedly briliant chatter is
anything but explosive, rather stupid...






> But than again man, check this out:There was a lot of snow on the ground and
> more was coming down. The blond sees an announcement on TV that all cars
> should park on the north side of her street for snow plow access. She tells
> her husband that she's going out to move the car. The next night the same
> thing happens but this time the TV tells everyone on her street to park their
> cars on the south side of the street to allow the snow plow access the other
> side. She tells her husband she's going out to move the car.The third night
> the snow is still coming down and the TV once again announces that cars
> should park on the north side of the street. She tells her husband that she's
> going out to move the car when her husband says "OK, but we
> could just leave it in the garage tonight."
> Hy,hy.hy!

Typical smart arse's monologue....Next time can you pleas write something more
informative, and less self bosting?

Dodgy Waldek :-/

[tjbazuka]

Gee,thanks man
Maybe you shoud lock yourself in a mirrorerd cell with your one thrue love.
Or join a circus so people can point and laugh.
Hy,hy,hy )
Good day to you pal!

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > I would just say that the more "man-made" things are, the less impressive
> I
> > find them, and that one of the things I do like about this place is that
> it
> > is a bit less "man made" than a lot of the rest of Europe.
>
> Well, to tell you the truth when I see public infrastructure in UK, I find it
> to be just a bit better it's counterpart in Poland, but when I see houses
> ordinary Brits live in UK I'm rather dissapointed...they rather shady and
> generic looking...
>

That's true. They are so overprices, and have been for decades. Anything nice
and out of the ordinary is then priced at a huge premium. It's actually very
ironic that the Polish farmer, the so-called poor man of Europe, often lives in
a home, the quality and space of which would be out of the average British
person's pocket if it were placed in London.

The value of my apartment in Ochota has doubled since I bought it, but at that
time I would have had to pay 6 times more to get an equivalent home in the UK.

UK is not Japan.....

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> That's true. They are so overprices, and have been for decades. Anything nice
> and out of the ordinary is then priced at a huge premium. It's actually very
> ironic that the Polish farmer, the so-called poor man of Europe, often lives
> in a home, the quality and space of which would be out of the average British
> person's pocket if it were placed in London.

I think that the average well to do Polish Farmer lives in the house that only
higher level manager or bussiness owner in UK could afford if it was located in
London




> The value of my apartment in Ochota has doubled since I bought it, but at
> that time I would have had to pay 6 times more to get an equivalent home in
> the UK.

Don't you think that UK home market is hugely overrated? UK is not Japan after
all...

[usenetposts]

> Don't you think that UK home market is hugely overrated? UK is not Japan
after
> all...

Well I certainly do think the UK market is overrated, but I think the Japanese
home market is even more overrated. I think that any situation where the
grandsons are paying off the mortgage the grandparents took on is sick.

I'm hardly surprised at the increasing reports of Japanese to the places you
can get space for little money. Deutsche Welle TV recently had a curious
feature on a Bulgarian village which is becoming colonised by Japanese
unlocking their equity and rediscovering paradise in what seemed to be a
singularly peasantly quarter of that country.