Where is the real light

[lightness2007]

I have a serious discussion with my friend recently about the religion,
tolerance and politics, but we observed these things:
please take look and write your opinion about its,

* Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she's respected for devoting
herself to God, but then a Muslimah does that, she's considered "oppressed"?

* Why a Jew can grow a beard and he's just practicing his faith, and
when a Muslim does that, he's an extremist?

* When a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids
she's sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a
Muslim woman does so, she "needs to be liberated"?

* Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has
potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is
hopeless?

* When a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e.
Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it's Islam
that goes to trial?

But then again, why is it after all that, Islam IS QTILL THE FASTED growing
religion in the world? Maybe you have read the recent news.

P.S I am not believer because I am still looking for the right light.

Yhank you very much for any opinion or suggestions

[mafketis]

have a serious discussion with my friend recently about the religion,
> tolerance and politics, but we observed these things:

no you didn't, you're a troll-spammer, what does this have to do with Poland?
There are Christians and Muslims in Poland (native and foreign in both
categories) can't you bother to tailor your unwanted spamming?

But I'm feeling charitable tonight, so I'll take a whack at you're
'observations' made in a dark room while wearing sunglasses.

> * Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she's respected for devoting
> herself to God, but then a Muslimah does that, she's considered "oppressed"?

Context, a woman becomes a nun of her own free choice knowing what's involved
and is (technically) free to stop being a nun at any time. In some societies
(Saudi Arabia, Iran) women are given no free choice whatsoever about how much to
cover up and are not technically free to choose the level of religious observance.
All women are supposed to dress like nuns in Saudi Arabia and Iran, while nuns
are a tiny proportion of even the most catholic society. I live on the same
street as a convent and I don't see nuns everyday.


> * Why a Jew can grow a beard and he's just practicing his faith, and
> when a Muslim does that, he's an extremist?

I've never come across anyone saying anything of the kind.

> * When a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids
> she's sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a
> Muslim woman does so, she "needs to be liberated"?

Again, free choice. Who decides if the woman stays home? In some countries, not
the woman herself and that's bad.

> * Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has
> potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is
> hopeless?

define: 'dedicates himself' what about female children? what if a young Iranian
girl decides to 'dedicate himself' to automobile repair? What are the chances
that she'll be able to follow that dream?

> * When a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e.
> Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it's Islam
> that goes to trial?

My are you sheltered. There has never been any shortage of Christian commentary
denouncing sectarian violence from Christians (no matter the religion of the
victims) whether in N Ireland or elsewhere, many American Christians utterly
deplored Christian on Muslim violence in Bosnia (for a small trivial example)
and made themselves very clear on the subject.

> But then again, why is it after all that, Islam IS QTILL THE FASTED growing
> religion in the world? Maybe you have read the recent news.

I've read that Islam is fasting growing in terms of birth rates, while
Christianity is the fastest growing in terms of conversions (wherever it is free
to operate). Why are so many Muslim majority countries afraid to let Christian
missionaries operate?

Islamic brainwashing

[waldek1610]

mafketis napisał:

> define: 'dedicates himself' what about female children? what if a young
> Iranian girl decides to 'dedicate himself' to automobile repair? What are the
> chances that she'll be able to follow that dream?

That's a good one Maftekis! Right to the point. I doubt that any women loves to
be a slave to a man at her free hoice. It only shows hipocrycy of Islamic
Clerics who are so brainwashed that acutally believe that the women enjoys this
kind of suppression, by the Islamic society dominated by men...

> I've read that Islam is fasting growing in terms of birth rates, while
> Christianity is the fastest growing in terms of conversions (wherever it is
> free to operate). Why are so many Muslim majority countries afraid to let
> Christian missionaries operate?

Who are you trying to convince? Islamist have no reason, they have their blind
believe and they will never listen to the voice of logic and moderation.

you should rather ask who is hiding light...

[waldek1610]

I think I prefer western civilization because it lets you become Muslim if that
is you choice, and I tend to oposse Islamic culture, because it the religion is
forced on you over there.

lightness2007 napisała:

> I have a serious discussion with my friend recently about the religion,
> tolerance and politics, but we observed these things:
> please take look and write your opinion about its,
>
> * Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she's respected for devoting
> herself to God, but then a Muslimah does that, she's considered "oppressed"?

But catholic nun as well as priest are part of clergy, they have sworn to
dedicate their lives to god, its their personal choice....The difference is
that ALL muslim women must idhere to the religious sharia laws, and those are
watched closelly in Islami world, for any violation.


> * Why a Jew can grow a beard and he's just practicing his faith, and
> when a Muslim does that, he's an extremist?

Well, what was the last time Ortodox Chasidic Jew has strapped a bomb to his
chest and blew himself up along on the airliner or on the crowded train???


> * When a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids
> she's sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a
> Muslim woman does so, she "needs to be liberated"?

well, if the western housewife has enough and leaves her husband, she is free
to do so, but in Islamic world she would be executed or ostrisized by society...


> * Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has
> potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is
> hopeless?

Because pianist playing Bach ...doesn't blew up Filharmony Symphony Cententers,
musician doesn't blew up a bomb at the rock concert, and enterpreneur doesn't
set detonating devices by the road sides...That's why.


> * When a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e.
> Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it's Islam
> that goes to trial?

In USA, EU, and other democratic countries muslim can biuld mosque and practice
his religion freely, being quaranteed protection from host hountry, but when
christian comest to Islamic country he is sentenced to prison for allegedly
teaching Christianity to muslims. Do you see the disparities? Western
Civilization is inclusive, Islamic civilization is exclusive.


> But then again, why is it after all that, Islam IS QTILL THE FASTED growing
> religion in the world? Maybe you have read the recent news.

Because fanatic religious people breed faster, and they do so in order to
spread their religion in the world, by any means possible...


> P.S I am not believer because I am still looking for the right light.

Well, I'm guessing you live in the western civilization, perheaps you should
tray to live in and Islamic country for the while, and them make statements for
or against specific religion.

> Yhank you very much for any opinion or suggestions

You welcome, and I hope you can tell the difference, between inclusive religion
that is not forced on people, and the one that knows only terror and forced
indoctrination of people living in the given country...

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lightness2007 napisała:

> I have a serious discussion with my friend recently about the religion,
> tolerance and politics, but we observed these things:
> please take look and write your opinion about its,
>
> * Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she's respected for devoting
> herself to God, but then a Muslimah does that, she's considered "oppressed"?

Nuns are not required according to New Testament. In the new testament, godly
women got married. In this case, the Islamic faith seems closer to the biblical
model than the RC one is.

>
> * Why a Jew can grow a beard and he's just practicing his faith, and
> when a Muslim does that, he's an extremist?
>

Beards are not what pleases God, unless you happen to have taken a Nazaritic
vow. If only it were that easy, just be lazy enough not to shave and lo and
behold, God is happy. It's nonsense.

> * When a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids
> she's sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a
> Muslim woman does so, she "needs to be liberated"?

It really depends on whether it was her personal choice or not, and what kind
of real options she had. In our society, a woman can exercise many options, but
in Islamic society they tend to have a more limited number of options, and
that's the difference.


> * Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has
> potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is
> hopeless?

Because Islam is literally hopeless. It is a saviourless religion, and
therefore by definition hopeless.

>
> * When a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e.
> Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it's Islam
> that goes to trial?

Because in our countries Christian does not mean "citizen of a country in which
there has been a Christian majority traditionally". If a murderer happens to
have been a practiser of any religion, it certainly gets mentioned. Nobody in
their right mind considers the terrorists of the IRA to have been acting in a
religious way.

>
> But then again, why is it after all that, Islam IS QTILL THE FASTED growing
> religion in the world? Maybe you have read the recent news.
>

It says, in Matthew 7 v 13-20:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way,
that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly
they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of
thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth
forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring
forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the
fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



> P.S I am not believer because I am still looking for the right light.

Jesus Christ says "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the
Father, except by me".

Hth.

>
> Yhank you very much for any opinion or suggestions

Pleasure.

Here's something for you, Lightness2007!

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

[kylie1]

Very powerful, Dave. That woman sure has a huge trap (sorry, I meant mouth). By
the way, you can certainly see how the Islamic religion works just by listening
to that Abdullah Mohammad guy (or whatever his name was). Notice how quick he
was to call that woman a "heretic"?

What??!! you don't like our religion, you self-serving, despicable, western
scumbags?!!! No problem. The only good infidel is a dead infidel.

On a lighter note, have a look at this clip...George Carlin, my favorite stand
up comedian.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM&mode=related&search=