About Russia on this forum...

[from_russia]

Translations from this forum became the most popular themes on the forum at inosmi.ru. It is very popular site in Russia, where translations from foreign mass media (newspapers, TV, etc.) are published. I think at least 50000 people have already read comments related to Russia from this forum (for example discussion around "Rosja zawiesza wykonywanie Traktatu o Ograniczeniu Sił Konwencjonalnych w Europie" - forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=902&w=65892776&a=65892776)

So many people in Russia know what Poles REALLY think about them.

Thank you very much for your straightforwardness!!!
and... Congratulations!


links:
inosmi.ru/forum/themes/viewthread?thread=21451&offset=0and
inosmi.ru/forum/themes/viewthread?thread=22452&offset=0

And what about Russia, do they have forum on Poles

[husyta]

[from_russia]

Unfortunately, I can't read Polish.

But if "do they have forum on Poles" is the question - I can answer:

on the inosmi.ru/forum you can read many comments related to translations from polish forums.

Kak sławianin sławianinu ili cziekist cziekistu

[eryk2]

Nie rżnij głupa, Moskalu. Wystarczy, żebyś znał alfabet łaciński - zrozumiesz
ok. 40% słów, więc nie czaruj, kagiebowszczyku, że nie rozumiesz...

A_Job_Waszu_Kacapskaja_Mati_Pa_Ru ski_Zabył_?:)))))

[cycki_krulowej-europy]

Jak widać kacapskie służby specjalne
próbują wszystkich sposobów aby zrobić
trochę zamieszania na GWnianym forum ;)

Tym razem kacapy szpanują
aby zrobić wrażenie
jako ukulturalnieni
obywatele świata władający angielskim :)

tylko naiwne głupki dadzą się
nabrać na ten trick i uwierzą do tego,
że tłumaczenia polskich i niepolskich
wypowiedzi z GWnianego forum

na język kacapski
jest obiektywne i bezinteresowne
i to w ojczyźnie, gułagów, ludobójstw,
zbrodni, zakłamania, fałszu i podstępu :)

well, I am glad that you Russians know now

[darthmaciek]

what we think of you. May be it will make you think a little about yourself,
your history - and your crimes! It is not for nothing that your country was so
long known as "The Prison of Nations". Thanks God this time is mostly over -
axcept for the Chechnyans. But ultimately they will break free too!

God bless!

[from_russia]

About "Chechnyans"! What do you know about "Chechnyans"? And from what source?
From TV and newspapers? I am laughing.

[from_russia]

Some information about "Chechnyans" specially for you.

In conflicts around this region approximately 150000 people were killed.

But only 30000 of them were "Chechnyans"! Another were russians. Not soldiers -
ordinary peaceful people. And who is the victim?

the Chechnyans are the victims of imperialism

[darthmaciek]

and no amount of Moscow propaganda is going to change this. But no matter how
much you kill, from their blood will simply rise Chechnyan independance. Think
about it - how many Poles you murdered to preserve your domination over our
country? And what was the result? You lost - and we will never return under
your power. How many Ukrainians you murdered to break this ancient and proud
country (especially in 30's, under Stalin)? And what was the result? You lost -
and they will never return. How many Balts you murdered and with what result?
You lost - and they will never return. So laugh, dear Russian friend, laugh.
You always used to laugh after conquest and butchery - and what you achieved in
the end? You laughed a lot, of course - but in the end your empire is history.
The only thing that remains is a hollow echo of evil laughter, countless graves
of your victims and a inheritance of hatred against Russia. And an ageing and
diminishing population in the shadow of the rising dragon....

God bless and good laughing!

[from_russia]

Now independence of chechnya is rising on the blood of peaceful russian people...

Relations with Poland is too complicated question. Poles were killed russians in numerous wars, and oppressed members of the Russian Orthodox Church (this was one of the reason for division of Poland in 18 century).

About Ukrainians - and why did they want do join to Russia? Why?

a murderer will always find a justification

[darthmaciek]

for his crimes and a rapist will always claim, that the victim consented....
Now you pretend that Poland was divided because of persecution of orthodox
peaople in XVIII century? Pllleeaassee! My dear friend, even you do not believe
it.

Ukrainians indeed have committed a big error joining with Russia in 1654 - and
they quickly regretted this error and since then they tried many times to run
from the Prison of Nations. That is the reason for them siding with Swedes and
Poles right before Poltava. They tried to break in 1918-1920, but they failed.
Then they tried again in 1941-1955 - and they failed. And now finally they
succeeded. How do you think, why?

Of course we killed Russians fighting for our borders, then for our survival,
then once we lost the independance, trying to break free from the Prison of
Nations - and I am very glad we did. The right to resist the oppression is
recognised as one of the fundamental rights of human beings... Not that I
except a Russian giving a damn about human rights....

correction of the last sentence

[darthmaciek]

"Not that I expect a Russian giving a damn about human rights"

[from_russia]

> for his crimes and a rapist will always claim, that the victim consented....
> Now you pretend that Poland was divided because of persecution of orthodox
> peaople in XVIII century? Pllleeaassee! My dear friend, even you do not believe
>
> it.

I said that it was ONE of the reasons.

>They tried to break in 1918-1920, but they failed.
> Then they tried again in 1941-1955 - and they failed. And now finally they
> succeeded. How do you think, why?

And why do you think that most of Ukrainians supported this attempts?
In both cases it were only small groups (on a national scale, of course)
During 1941-1945 millions Ukrainians fighted in Red Army, and approximately 20000 in nationalistic groups.

20.000 is just the number of SS Galizien soldiers

[darthmaciek]

a great deal of Ukrainians sided with Wehrmacht in other formations and
Ukrainian Insurgent Army was certainly more numerous that 20 000 soldiers. Why
so many Ukrainians served in Red Army? And what was the choice? In the Red
Army, the SMERTCH could kill you for nothing - so people were afraid of
deserting... Also, granted, the Nazis committed a great mistake terrorising the
Ukrainian civilians in the very same way as the Soviets before, and thus
alienated them... All in all, it doesn't change the fact, that the moment the
door of the cage was opened, the Ukrainians run away... And since then they
really do NOT want to come back. And one day we will welcome them in European
Union and NATO - oh, OK, you can have the Kharkov region back before that.

[from_russia]

Even through you count Ukrainians in auxiliary forces in Wehrmacht, this number will be much less than number of them in Red Army.


> Why so many Ukrainians served in Red Army? And what was the choice? In the Red
> Army, the SMERTCH could kill you for nothing - so people were afraid of
> deserting.

If the choice of Ukrainians was not free - why they fighted very good? Why they were good soldiers?

>OK, you can have the Kharkov region back before that.

But more than a half of Ukrainians live in the East and the South of Ukrain. And much more than a half of economics is in this regions;)

read once again my previous post

[darthmaciek]

for the IInd WW;
People in the East of Ukraine are more Russians that Ukrainians, they show it
in every election - so they can join Russia if they really want it. The coal
and iron industries are secondary in our times, you can have them. The real
Ukraine (Lviv and Kiev) destiny is to join Europe, the place they were part of,
long, long time ago, when it was normal for the king Henry of France to marry
Anna Iaroslavovna and prince Casimir Renovator of Poland to marry Dobroniega
Iaroslavovna - and this country is welcome to do just that.

[from_russia]

> People in the East of Ukraine are more Russians that Ukrainians, they show it
> in every election - so they can join Russia if they really want it. The coal
> and iron industries are secondary in our times, you can have them. The real
> Ukraine (Lviv and Kiev) destiny is to join Europe,

Thank you, I'll tell this interesting fact to my ukrainian friends (from the East), we'll laugh together;)

well, have a nice laugh

[darthmaciek]

however, how come that this view of yours is not really shared by people in
Central and Western Ukraine?

also, 30% of people in Ukraine declare Russian

[darthmaciek]

as their native language - somehow, I do not think that they live in western
and central Ukraine....

[from_russia]

And there interests must be taken into consideration, or not?

I just said it - their regions can join Russia

[darthmaciek]

it will make things simpler for Ukraine....

[from_russia]

OK

Ethnic genocide cannot justify future claims

[mirmat1]

from_russia napisał:

> And there interests must be taken into consideration, or not?
M: the same apply to Estonians who were exterminated i colonized by Russian and
today demand full rights. In Estonia or Ukraine you have to be Estonian or
Ukrainian or get out. Poles in Ukraine accepted new situation so must the
Russians.

can't understand...

[from_russia]

One (darthmaciek) says that people from the East should be Russians,
another (you) says that they should be Ukrainians...

that is called freedom of speech my Russian friend

[darthmaciek]

we do not have to be all of the same opinion and on the same line that our
President....

Thanks

[from_russia]

You show me true light of freedom...

[from_russia]

I'll add some words to my previous answer.

Most of the people from the East of Ukrainian think that (and ARE indeed) they are Ukrainians, of course. All what they want is to have good relationships with Russia, as our country is their major economic partner and.. we are very close relatives, indeed.

NKVD bullet to the head make people listen

[mirmat1]

from_russia napisał:
> During 1941-1945 millions Ukrainians fighted in Red Army, and approximately
20000 in nationalistic groups.
M: and how anyone could refuse NKVD order. Even Poles from Syberia were forced
to fight on Russian side. But Poles and Ukrainians found every occasion to kill
NKVD officers and to desert do German side. In Battle of Lenino massive
desertion of conscripted by force Poles happen which suprised even German who
granted them full Geneva Convention honors.

9milions Ukrainian killed by Russia cannot vote

[mirmat1]

from_russia napisał:

> About Ukrainians - and why did they want do join to Russia? Why?
M: after holocaust of 9 milions Ukrainian during Stalin era are there any
Ukrainians left i easterm Ukraine? As normal Russian grab the land i
exterminated resistance.

[from_russia]

I spoke about joining Ukrain and Russia in 17 century...

But Stalin is a reason for all misfortunes, of course. Even in 17 century.

And from what sourse is this information about "holocaust of 9 milions Ukrainian during Stalin era"? From TV?

denying Ukrainian holocaust is futile

[darthmaciek]

as well as trying to denial your other crimes - the world KNOWS!! Nothing will
change that. The time when you Russians thought it possible to just burn the
books, kill the witness and shut the mouth of every body with nails is OVER...
You can still deny everything in your own country and try to shut your ears to
the scream of the truth... That just makes you ridiculous, not innocent.

[matrek]

darthmaciek napisał:

> as well as trying to denial your other crimes - the world KNOWS!! Nothing will
> change that. The time when you Russians thought it possible to just burn the
> books, kill the witness and shut the mouth of every body with nails is OVER...

God damn it, just like nazi :)


> You can still deny everything in your own country and try to shut your ears to
> the scream of the truth... That just makes you ridiculous, not innocent.
>

You are so brilliant ! ;)))

Ukrainian holocaust denyers are safe from prosecut

[mirmat1]

from_russia napisał:

> I spoke about joining Ukrain and Russia in 17 century...
> But Stalin is a reason for all misfortunes, of course. Even in 17 century.
M: Ivan the Terrible or Peter the Great was the same like Stalin. Russia was
build on the bones of car subjects. Poles made mistakes regarding Ukrainians
but the desire for liberty Ukrainians inherited from times of our commmon
Republic.
> And from what sourse is this information about "holocaust of 9 milions
Ukrainian during Stalin era"? From TV?
M: from my Ukrainian friends whose family perished in Stalin Gulag. These fact
are however well documented in KGB archives. Today pictures of Stalin are
proudly displayed during the victory parade on the Red Square

[from_russia]

> M: from my Ukrainian friends whose family perished in Stalin Gulag. These fact
> are however well documented in KGB archives.

It is absolutely wrong. There are many articles and books where this question is considered. For example articles of Zemskov (some of them you can find in the internet - in Russian, of course). Number of victims of the hunger in Ukrain is approximately 1,5 millions.

David Irving question #of jews killed and ended in

[mirmat1]

...jail
from_russia napisał:
> > M: from my Ukrainian friends whose family perished in Stalin Gulag. These
> fact are however well documented in KGB archives.
>
> It is absolutely wrong. There are many articles and books where this question
is considered. For example articles of Zemskov (some of them you can find in the
> internet - in Russian, of course). Number of victims of the hunger in Ukrain
is approximately 1,5 millions.
M: simple demografic calculation prove number close to 10 milions. Ukrainian
side figure are done using the same method as Jews calculation of their
holocaust. Yet these who deny # in Jewish holocaust like D. Irving end up in
jail.

[mieetek]

Read about the fabrication of the legend about the Ukranian 'holocaust'. Find
the link yourself.

excuse me

[from_russia]

It is really important for me...

Maybe very impolite question...
You are really from poland?

Excuse me once more... I think you'll understand me.
(You can answer on [e-mail])

I will not lose my time on it

[darthmaciek]

but you can read everything you want - here is the link which will give you
lots of other links.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
What you Russians must understand is that denial is bad and is not helping -
accepting the reality and apologising is a good thing and it brings liberation.
Our president apologised for the crime of Poles at Jedwabne and although it was
not easily accepted, in the end it brought relief for the survivors on the side
of the victims and of the families of perpetrators....

It is like the incubators in Iraq. You know what I

[mieetek]

mean, Maciek ;)

as for internet sources...

[from_russia]

It is not very clever to learn history from wikipedia.

I did not learn about "Holodomor" from internet

[darthmaciek]

but a long time ago, in the old bad times, when there was no free speech in
Poland and books were censured - but still, in the 70s we managed to develop an
underground network of printshops and distribution of "samizdats". This was my
first contact with the words like "gulag", "holodomor", "NKVD", "zatchistka"...
Since then, and especially after 1989 I got the occasion to read more. So sorry
guys, but no matter what you say - the word is out and there is no way to put
it back in cage.

[from_russia]

Two questions:

What literature except "Samizdat" have you read?
It is interesting for me, from what books you know this.

Do you really think that in samizdat you can find all the truth?

the truth about Russian crimes will certainly not

[darthmaciek]

come from the Russians themselves. The last book about the Great Hunger was the
following: Stéphane Courtois, Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej
Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek, Jean-Louis Margolin "Czarna Księga Komunizmu.
Zbrodnie, terror, prześladowania" Prószyński i S-ka, Warszawa 1999, ISBN 83-
7180-326-5 str. 158
I trust most of the samizdats of the old times - when a criminal regime forbids
a book, it is mostly because this book tells the truth.
Also, some of the informations were given lastly by the president Yuchtchenko
himself.

Also, I am aware where you are going with it. By challenging the sources, you
are just trying to make the issue foggy. I already discussed with Russians and
with communists and I know the trick. Once again, you are not going to convince
anybody that this is just a fiction - as well as the Turks couldn't manage to
convince the world that they didn't genocide their Armenians. Althoygh they
tried to hide the truth as hard as you Russians are trying....

[from_russia]

So you are sure that russian historians can't be impartial, aren't you?

And this assumption, I think, is the main point for discussion.
Why do you think so?
Have you ever read post-soviet historians?
How can they prove their objectivity for you?

and references to Yuchtchenko in this question are rather ridiculous. He is a politician, and not very honest, indeed. This version about hunger in Ukrain is only a part of his politics.

Russians will lie about their crimes

[darthmaciek]

as the Japanese lie about their crimes (they still refuse to recognise
the "rape of Nanking"), the Turks lie about their crimes, and yes, even Poles
tried to deny Jedwabne for a time....

And yes, you are right, I will never trust Russian historians - we Poles
learned the hard way the following truths: everything that Russia says is a
lie, everything that Russia proposes is a trap, everything that Russia gives is
poison....

And no matter what you say, you will not change the truth about Russia crimes.
You should finally recognise them and apologise to the victims - like Germans
did.

How interesting that you attack Yuschchenko - I can only imagine how you
Russians must hate him. You tried to murder him with poison and he survived -
so with Litvinenko your Tsar didn't take any chances and ordered to use
polonium instead of dioxine....

I will take the word of one Yuchtchenko against one thousand former KGB agents
like a certain Russian president....

[from_russia]

> And yes, you are right, I will never trust Russian historians - we Poles
> learned the hard way the following truths: everything that Russia says is a
> lie, everything that Russia proposes is a trap, everything that Russia gives is poison

At last!
Well, I think this is a kind of religion - to believe that Russians always lie.
Have you any rational argument for nowadays post-soviet historians to lie or not?

As for Yuschenko - I don't hate him. It is too strong word. I don't like him - and this is my right.

a criminal will not easily admit that he is one

[darthmaciek]

so I do not expect the Russians to accept the responsibility for anything. It
is just not the custom in this nation.... There will always be somebody else
responsible and then it is always the old principle "deny everything". Poles
are responsible for the division of Poland, Balts asked to be invaded,
Ukrainians were not genocided with hunger, and any way it was not Russians
fault, Chechnyans are killing the helpless Russians who just came to offer them
flowers....etc, etc.

You have the right not to like Yuchtchenko - as I do not like Putin (it was not
always the case - in the beginning I rather approved of his work, it changed
when he started to destroy the democracy in Russia....)

It is a religion...

[from_russia]

> so I do not expect the Russians to accept the responsibility for anything. It
> is just not the custom in this nation.... There will always be somebody else
> responsible and then it is always the old principle "deny everything". Poles
> are responsible for the division of Poland, Balts asked to be invaded,
> Ukrainians were not genocided with hunger, and any way it was not Russians
> fault, Chechnyans are killing the helpless Russians who just came to offer them
>
> flowers....etc, etc.

As I said, you have not any rational argument to prove that nowadays russian researchers lie...
As for divion of Poland.
Russia doesn't demand of Poland to accept responsibility for you actions during Smutnoe Vremya (end of 16th - beginning of 17th century), when you were very close to the conquest of all the west of Russia.
Russia demands of nobody (except German) to accept responsibility for their against us. But you always demand of Russia to pay for our actions even in the 18th century, more than 200 years ago!

And I have only one simple questions.
How do you think, what would be with Poland now, if 62 years ago our army had not won the German? What?

As for Chechnya...
Of course, there were armed russian soldiers in Budennovsk, Kizlyar, Beslan, yes... in schools, in hospitals, yes...
And Russians who lived in Chechnya before war, do you know their fate? Do you know it?

This is my last comment here. Unfortunately, I must go away and next week I'll not have access to internet.

Buy.

well, we are very religious so it is normal

[darthmaciek]

and of course I waited until you serve this crap about "liberation from the
Nazis" - me dear friend, Hitler was able to start the Second World War ONLY
because of the alliance with Soviet Union, so everything that happened after 1
September 1939 is essentially the fault of Moscow. Including the Holocaust. And
your army didn't bring any liberation, but just more slavery, suffering and
misery. We do not owe you anything - you owe us apologies.

However, after all, I do not want Russia to apologise for the division of
Poland, the invasion from 17 September 1939, Katyn, and all other Soviet
atrocities - actually I do not want ANYTHING from Russia, except that you leave
us in peace and NEVER return to Central Europe.

As for Chechnya, you will lose it too. Of course, you will still commit more
crimes agaisnt this people, but it will all be in vain.

And good luck to all Chechnyan freedom fighters who read this exchange. Shoot
well!

Anglopiszący Rus na tym forum LOL

[amanasunta]

[kochanek_dorna]

Fuck off ashole!

[from_russia]

Thank you;)))))))))))))))))))

For you the same;)))))))))

[kochanek_dorna]

Nothing more, nothing less... You just do not deserve more constructive argument
so please - fuck off!

my dear friend, a Russian who wants to talk

[darthmaciek]

desserves better that just "FO" treatment. This is already a progress - usually
they just kill, burn and plunder and the only thing they say is "Davay tchassy"
and "Gdye Jenschtchiny!".

answer clearly somehow limited and not polite

[darthmaciek]

but clearly coming from the sincere bottom of the heart.....

[kochanek_dorna]

couldn't agree more. greetz

[from_russia]

Thank you very very very much!

You comment is very important!

I think that comment wasn't right

[matrek]

But even between us, some guys are jerks

[kochanek_dorna]

Whose jerk? You ??

Or maybe this jerk-provocateur from Russia?

Wśród żenszczin była chyba tvoja babcia.

[mieetek]

Tak, że nie pluj na rodaka z Rosji.

[matrek]

I don't care who's provocateur. This guy has came to our forum to say something
new, to add something new to our discussions, no matter how right is this what
he says or wrong. This is our freedom of world in Poland, what makes us proud of
our country. Do not be just like they are and please keep at least minimum of
good attitude.

Have a read of John Perkins.

[mieetek]

[matrek]

Please, tell your friends at inosmi.ru that we wish all the best for russians,
ukrainians and for us of course, but keep your hands far away from Poland and
Ukraina.

If the Russians took Polish land they should

[mieetek]

give it back...But how? Unfortunately it happens to be in The Ukraine,
Lithuania and other friends of Poland. So, the bad Russians took it for someone
else. They are also threatening to invade at least half of the world now.
But the good samaritans the Hamericans will stand in their way. They have
mercifully deployed troops in 130 countries around the world. They are
occupying Irak, Afghanistan. So we can sleep well. No bad Russians can get into
those 130 countries.
By the way, was Djugashvili an uncle of Putin or of the great democrat
Saakashvili ;)

we do not want our eastern lands back

[darthmaciek]

at least I do not want them, as long as we can freely visit the graves of our
ancestors. Nobody should mess with borders in Europe any more, EVER !! As far
as I am concerned, it is better to accept the loss of historical lands rather
that digging present day graves....
As far as USA are concerned, I totally disagree with you, with the only
exception of Iraq, which was a very very bad American error. But they were
right invading Afghanistan in 2001 and with all the due respect even Tsarputin
supported them in it.... They do NOT have bases or troops in so many countries.
Also Americans, to the difference with Russians, are mostly welcome when they
open bases, accept to leave when asked to do so and are freauently regretted
when they leave.....
And yes, you are perfectly right, where Americans keep watch, Russians and
other bad guys can not enter.... This is why we want their base in Poland.

[mieetek]

darthmaciek napisał:

> at least I do not want them, as long as we can freely visit the graves of our
> ancestors. Nobody should mess with borders in Europe any more, EVER !! As far
> as I am concerned, it is better to accept the loss of historical lands rather
> that digging present day graves....

Of course, because they are not in Russian hands. And why they are not? Because
the Soviet Union was not Russia despite Western propaganda. Stalin, Trotzki,
Dzierzinski, were they Russian. The Russian people suffered from the communist
regime on equal terms as the others. I mean in Lenin and Stalin time.
Most other republics had higher standards of living than the Russians. Also,
the other republics were fairly represented in the Soviet administration.
You know Szewardnadze, even Djochar Dudaev was a general colonel in the Soviet
army in command of long range bombing Air force.


> As far as USA are concerned, I totally disagree with you, with the only
> exception of Iraq, which was a very very bad American error. But they were
> right invading Afghanistan in 2001 and with all the due respect even
Tsarputin
> supported them in it.... They do NOT have bases or troops in so many
countries.
>

Ask the peoples of Central and South America about that. I you think you have
suffered from Russia(rather Soviets), of course I mean after 1960, ask the
Bolivians Peruvians, Guatemalans Panamians and so on. I am sure you can find
the rest of them. After 1960, because there is a clear distinction between what
was happenig in USSR before and after that. Many, have missed that
unfortunately.

> Also Americans, to the difference with Russians, are mostly welcome when they
> open bases, accept to leave when asked to do so and are freauently regretted
> when they leave.....
> And yes, you are perfectly right, where Americans keep watch, Russians and
> other bad guys can not enter.... This is why we want their base in Poland.
>

mieetek, I am not a little girl lost in the forest

[darthmaciek]

so do not try to trick me with candies. If Russia is so willing to break with
Soviet times, why is Tsarputin glorifying so much the former Czeka, NKVD and
KGB? Why does he (and you for that matter) refuse to recognise (I am not even
talking about apologies) the crimes of Moscow against other countries and
nations? Why are there still Soviet signs in your military heraldics? Sorry
man, but I am not buying what you write. And even if we accept the fact that
Stalin, Trotsky and Dzherzhynski were not 100% ethnic Russians, they were in
fact totally russified - Dzherzhynski was a Russian of distant polish origin,
Trotsky totally abandoned his Jewish background, as Stalin did with his
Georgian-Ossetian origins. An any way, possibly the most evil man in the
history of XX century, the one who INVENTED the modern totalitarism, Mr Ulyanov
(Lenin) was 100% Russian. As were Khruchtchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Tchernenko,
and also Skriabin (Molotov), Tukhatchevsky (do not even try with his Polish
origins - he was totally assimilated), Zukhov, Yezhov, and later Gromyko,
Kossyguin, Ustinov, etc, etc. USSR was an extension of imperial Russia - just
even more evil than what the tsars build.

As for the US domination in their area of influence, please think about the
fact, that with the exception of Cuba and recently Venezuela no country in all
Americas is rejecting so violently the USA as Russia is being currently
rejected by Central Europe (not only by Poles)....

[mieetek]

darthmaciek napisał:

>
> Also Americans, to the difference with Russians, are mostly welcome when they
> open bases, accept to leave when asked to do so and are freauently regretted
> when they leave.....

They are welcome in Texas, New Mexico, California and Arkansas.
Welcome in Panama, Puerto Rico, Granada.
Especially welcome was the School of Americas.

> And yes, you are perfectly right, where Americans keep watch, Russians and
> other bad guys can not enter.... This is why we want their base in Poland.
>

Under 30% want the missile shield. 55% are against it. Of course, these numbers
are published so they rise the stakes in the bargaining.
Leppers head was brought on a plate to Bush because of his opposition to the
shield. Wasn't timing perfect?
Giertych forgot about the deliberation on the Iraq war in the parliament after
the famous story with the US secretary from the US embassy. The minister of
defence head rolled for thet story.

[matrek]

mieetek napisał:


> By the way, was Djugashvili an uncle of Putin or of the great democrat
> Saakashvili ;)

I have no idea, but accidentally the biggest villain in Tom Clany's famous book
"Hounting for the Red October" is politruk called Putin, also in Caspar
Weinberger's book "III World War" about hypothetical scenarios of next world
war, the russian President is former KGB officer.

Caspar is a Bechtel executive. Please, quote

[mieetek]

someone else. It is as if I would quote Gazprom's president about Bush and the
US :)

[mieetek]

I think it was him that said the famous words: There are matters more important
than peace.
Of course in the 'democratic' societies anything that moves away from the
straight line is easily forgotten.

come on, man!

[matrek]

This was some kind a joke.
This was about literature, about political fiction. Just as accident :)

Now., we know who wrote up there

[matrek]

niesiolek_esbecka-swinia

- Евро-Гитлеро-Большевия хрипит и плюется кровью :), потому что ПОЛЬША, Польский
Президент и Правительство добились великого успеха!!!
Великий успех Польши и поражение параноидальных мечтаний о фюрерстве в ЕС
надутых Гитлерчиков во главе с их толстой паршивкой-канцлершей ;).
А также сюрприз для лягушатников, островитян, макаронников, кокер-спаниэлей и т.п.
Польша сохранит в течение 10 лет свое сильное влияние в ЕС!
Это нужно для уменьшения экономического неравенства, вызванного швабским
бандитизмом во время Второй мировой войны.
PS Каркающие, обиженные евро-задницы могут сегодня Польшу в ж… поцеловать.
Где были эти евро-задницы, когда в 1939 году не соблюдали союзнических
обязательств по отношению к Польше?!
Вследствие чего Польша потеряла 6,5 миллиона граждан и была ограблена на 1000
миллиардов долларов швабской преступной ордой!
Где были эти лживые, возмущенные евро-задницы, когда в 1939-1945 годах
преступное швабское быдло каждый год посылало в газовые камеры 1 миллион граждан
Польши??!!
Где были эти лицемерные евро-задницы, когда Польшу – четвертого по величине
союзника, который бесстрашно бил гитлеровского гада, - продавали в Ялте кацапам?!

[from_russia]

I didn't clearly understand, what did you mean?

[matrek]

This is about nick-name of this guy "niesiolek_esbecka-swinia"

Looks like this guy says "niesiolek - former SB agent" - means the worst, heated
in Poland comunistic secret service organisation, like yours NKWD

J_o_b__T_w_a_j_u__M_a_ti__P_a__Ru ski_Zabył__?:)))

[cycki_krulowej-europy]

Jak widać kacapskie służby specjalne
próbują wszystkich sposobów aby zrobić
trochę zamieszania na GWnianym forum ;)

Tym razem kacapy szpanują
aby zrobić wrażenie
jako ukulturalnieni
obywatele świata władający angielskim :)

tylko naiwne głupki dadzą się
nabrać na ten trick i uwierzą do tego,
że tłumaczenia polskich i niepolskich
wypowiedzi z GWnianego forum

na język kacapski
jest obiektywne i bezinteresowne
i to w ojczyźnie, gułagów, ludobójstw,
zbrodni, zakłamania, fałszu i podstępu :)

daj spokój, tu się dyskutuje

[darthmaciek]

nawet jeśli doceniam wysiłek wlożony w wiersz....

[pisuarro]

Serio ?...


Bo ja widzę tu tylko bandę kretynów najeżdząjących na Bogu ducha winnego
Rosjanina, który wpadł się przywitać...

[darthmaciek]

najwyraźniej mu się to podoba skoro się zrobiła dyskusja na 73 posty....