More coments nt Smierci Polaka w Vancouver

eladaoil Re: More coments nt Smierci Polaka w Vancouver 16.11.07, 00:00

Scott
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 10:24 PM
How did it get to the point that this poor disoriented or unstable man was in an
airport for hours without intervention? In the video he is clearly unstable and
disoriented but not threatening and has no weapon. He might be guilty of some
minor property damage at worst. Why do four physically fit RCMP officers have to
taser one man repeatedly when he could be cuffed and taken away? We need some
really serious answers here from the airport and the police.
Mike
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 10:27 PM
For some reason the RCMP seem to believe that they can use whatever force they
deem necessary, and do whatever they see fit when dealing with members of the
general public. Being a police officer is a privlage and it is not a licsense to
do whatever whenever without regard for another humans well being. I have seen
it time and time again, police officers acting like they are above the law, and
treating the public without any respect. Shame on the RCMP. Maybe it should take
more than a few months training before we let these ego maniacs loose on the
streets. In saying this I realise that there are good officers out there, and I
respect the job that these people do. But more and more you are hearing about
police using excess force and generaly acting like they are untouchable, and
this whole idea of police investigating and disciplining themselves, is
ridiculous and needs to stop immediatly.
Joe
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 10:28 PM
Why aren't the names of the 4 RCMP officers involved in this incident named?As
well,all 4 RCMP officers should be charged with homicide,which is a criminal
offense.I question the training these 4 RCMP cops had previous to this
incident.Nonetheless,they should all be charged with homicide and be dismissed
as RCMP officers.They all acted as bullies,thugs.If the 4 RCMP cops cannot be
named becaise of the law,well then,our laws should be changed to enable the
public to identify rogue RCMP officers.I smell a cover-up from the RCMP re:this
incident.I don't believe a word the RCMP says.The RCMP lie through their teeth
to justify their actions.
Michael
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 10:39 PM
What a sad state the world is in when our 'highly trained' police force acts
like a scared cowardly violent gang of homicidal thugs against a confused and
distraught man who only needs help. He was not aggressive towards those officers
in the slightest, and was co-operative, yet their first response was attack. The
taser is proven again to be much more lethal than a gun, yet it is carried and
utilized so carelessly. I hope those officers are tried to the fullest extent of
the law for their murder of this poor innocent person. I'm sick of internal
police coverups of their blatent misconduct. If it were not for the public
insistence to make this video public, this incident would have been buried by
the police to protect their own yet again I have no doubt. I for one am carrying
my cel phone camera with me everywhere. It's time for the public to hold our
public servants accountable for their actions. What an international
embarrassment, and tragedy. I used to be proud of this country my family has
called home for many generations... What a sorry joke it has become.
Daniel
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 10:45 PM
I think it is painfully obvious Tasers are not a Non Lethal weapon. Since they
kill they must be a Lethal weapon. Therefore, the only time they should be used
is when officers lives are under direct threat, and any discharge must be
accounted for. The airport assault and murder of an unarmed out numbered 3 to 1,
by professionally trained officers, and they chose to kill him. He was scared
and confused, and had one person approached him calmly and gave him a hug, all
of this doesn't happen, INEXCUSABLE.
Philip
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:09 PM
I just don't see why the RCMP had to use the taser here. The most ridiculous
thing is the RCMP not just triggered the taser once but twice until the guy
completely collapsed. There will be no more crimes if the RCMP can do the same
on the criminals.
Joan Deschene
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:17 PM
Tasers Should be Banned. I also think the Police in this incident should be
suspended until after the investigation is complete. As far as I,m concerned
they KILLED THIS POOR HELPLESS MAN. If it were you or I that did this we would
be charged with murder. They are no better than we are. Let JUSTICE prevail.
Michelle
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:17 PM
Unbelievable that the police cannot take responsibility for their own
actions--which were criminal. To add insult to injury, we now have the same
police department investigating this incident. Does this seem right to anyone?
Also, the Vancouver Airport staff need to take some responsibility here as well.
How could this poor man have been so badly taken care of in an international
airport? Weren't there any translators available? One more thought . . . would
this have happened if he were wearing a suit . . . or if he was a woman . . .
Rob
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:21 PM
I suggest you read about excited delirium - this poor fellow would have likely
died regardless of whether he was Tasered or not. Most of the respondents thus
far seem to have very little regard for police, and even less for the work they
do. This man was breaking the law, and was exhibiting combative behaviour - he
was clearly not holding his hands up and surrendering. Yes, it is tragic that a
man lost his life. But that loss did not result from excessive force. In my view
the response was measured and appropriate in the circumstances.
Russell
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:25 PM
Give me a break. Did you actually expect the officers to stand back and let this
upset man destroy property and possibly injure someone? The intent of the taser
is to temporarily stun someone so that they can be apprehended without having to
resort to more extreme physical measures. Would you prefer the officers use
batons and beat him. How about the four officers just pile on him like a rugby
match and all of them, including the subject end up injured. There was no intent
to kill this man. It was an unfortunate and tragic result when this non-lethal
attempt to bring a violent incident to a quick conclusion. Nobody, including
these four officers, wanted this man to get injured, let alone die.
JIM
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:27 PM
The issue here is not just the taser. The police in BC seem to be out of
control. The mountie who shot that guy in the head in Houston. The RCMP officers
in the Fraser Valley who went drinking and driving and bet up three people etc.
Now this. We don't need the RCMP investigating themselves. Since the death on
Oct 14th the RCMP has been waging a misinformation campaign about what happened.
They seized the video and tried to prevent it's release. I don't trust the RCMP
at all...they are all party to this misfeasance.
Joe
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:31 PM
Seems No one at the Airport Spoke Polish...Maybe if he was china some one would
understand him....
Th.nguyen
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:32 PM
Taser gun must be banned, it is abused by some of irresponsible police and kills
inocent victims.
Kevin
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:32 PM
Perhaps everybody that thinks the RCMP are wrong should stand in their place and
see what they would do when in that same kind of situation.An RCMP member (or
any police) can get shot to death in their police vehicle driving up to an
incident, or four of them can get shot to death near Mayerthorpe. It is easy for
everybody to say what should have happened and that it was handled wrong, that
the RCMP should have done differently. What would all of those same people, who
say the RCMP did wrong, say if the RCMP did not use the tazer and a innocent
child was killed. What would they say then, that the RCMP should have used the
tazer so that an innocent person not be killed. Being a police man is dangerous
and they are the on

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JD
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:33 PM
The handling of this Man was unjustified, as he was just a very scared soul who
did not know what was going to happen to him after being inthe Airport for 9
hrs. Using the Taser was certainly the wrong thing to do. How do the POLICE know
if he has a medical problem that might not withstand the shock of the Taser.
This gentleman could have been subdued without the use of such force. AND Then
our LOCAL HERO's (RCMP) didn't even have the decency to give the poor guy CPR.
What to H-

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Catherine
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:52 PM
If there had been communication with this Polish man this would not have
happened. I find it hard to believe that an airport that considerates itself
international has not got access to people with language skills. He was carrying
a passport, so they knew he was Polish and there are many Polish people in this
city. We live along the Pacific but we have many Eastern European people in this
province. Can you imagine the fear for this man who lived in a communist country
where police used brutal force and then come to what was supposed to be his new
life in this land of freedom and be confronted by the same brutally that used to
exist in his homeland
Jake
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:55 PM
People love to hate the police...until they need the police and then they just
can't get there quick enough. It's too bad people only see the big bad police,
but are immediately fully sympathetic with a man who was being aggressive,
belligerent, non-cooperative....in an airport no less! Lots of prejudice here...
Leigh
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:56 PM
The video clearly shows lack of training and experience on the part of the
officers. After spending some years as a correctional officer, we were trained
on how to restrain a hostile individual without tasers on a daily basis. Why did
the officers not use the same training? Why was the use of force continuum
carelessly skipped over? Most law enforcement agencies use the conitnuum to
defuse the level of aggression to prevent injury/death of the INDIVIDUAL. It
takes time. What was the hurry? Why wasn't he talk down or redirected somewhere?
What was wrong with the security guard just standing there looking at him?
Doesn't he get paid? As well, where were the attempts to save the gentlemen's
life? No CPR was attempted, first aid, or other assistance from anybody! Why was
he still restrained while inconscious? THEY DO NOT NEED TASERS! They all need
proper retraining in use of force and I hope they are all suspended without pay???
Mike
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:57 PM
Tasers should be banned until THUGS who carry them could demonstrate good judgement.
peter
Wed, Nov 14, 07 at 11:57 PM
While this man's situation is sad, the police had no part in putting him in that
agitated state. But of course they were called in to control him. It is somewhat
sanctimonious of those who blame the police for this man's death when they
themselves have never had to put themselves at risk at the hands of one who is
acting bizarre. Only an idiot would suggest that the police should have tried to
overpower him without trying to subdue him first in a manner which would
normally have protected both the subject and themselves.
kelly
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:01 AM
Am I the only one who actually watched the video? You can clearly see that the
suspect had nothing in his hands when police were talking to him at the door and
when he put his hands up. Then the suspect walks over to the desk and picks up a
weapon (stapler). The suspect puts the stapler into his right hand and becomes
more aggresive. Look at his body language. The officer on the right actually
dashes out of the way when the stapler is picked up. The suspect went from
passive to aggresive. The supect was tasered and you can now see the stapler in
his right hand as he hits himself on the head. CTV was advised of this and
refused to give that side of the story.I hope global will give the whole story.
Doug
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:02 AM
I am suprized that the police haters posting on here aren't celebrating the
murders of the two RCMP officers in the north in the last month. They would be
the same people crying for help if they ran into a crazy or dangerous person.
Officers are damned if they do and damned if they don't do anything. As the old
saying goes "it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".
Jason
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:03 AM
Tasers don't kill people. I don't know how much clearer this can be.
Historically all those who have died after being subjected to a Taser have had
some kind of underlying urgent medical condition. Sad and unfortunate, but
perhaps if the fellow hadn't been smashing chairs and raging from the moment
Security arrived, and behaving aggressively towards the Mounties, he wouldn't
have been Tased.
tom
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:18 AM
Unjustified use of deadly force against unarmed confused man . Total lack of
judgment or compassion.Blunder in regard to airport security, customs and
immigration procedures. Remember It can happen to you, your friend or family and
you are paying for this with taxes , security taxes and more taxes.There was no
reason this should ever happen. And Rob, nobody have any regard for this kind of
authority.
Chris
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:22 AM
I'm a Police officer, not with the RCMP. You'll find out later, very unseasoned
and more likely fairly new RCMP members. The red headed one still is learning
how to collapse his extended baton, you can see that at the end of the video.
These officers are suffering from tunnel vison. Very sad... the RCMP training
created this mess... they need to be out of urban policing, Regina is not set up
for this. Thank god for this video, or it would have been brushed off like
others. Even when we deal with them, they are very elusive bunch of people.
D Bonetti
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:29 AM
WOW...did every one else see the same video as me? The man was throwing things
at the window, acting erratically, breathing heavy, sweating profusely...all
signs of phsycotic behaviour or someone who is high on drugs. Did you hear the
peoples comments in the backgroung? They were saying call the police because
they didnt know what the heck he was doing but knew that he appeared
threatening. How were the police to know that he wasnt going to come at them or
an innocent bystander? They also didnt know that tasering him to subdue him
would kill him...if that was there intent they would have shot him. The
gentleman filming even said "why is he still struggling with them"...in other
words they had to hold him down to further subdue him because he was fighting
them. It is a very tragic situation no doubt and my heart goes out to his family
but we all know his story now and that is what makes it so emotional. Remove all
that you now know and put your selves in the position of the police. How many of
you have had to face a person who is aggressive and potentially high on drugs?
How would you react? I am so tired of people slamming the police when they are
doing their jobs protecting the public. Easy for all of us to judge...were the
ones sitting at home on our butts, safe and sound.
Ryan
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:31 AM
My heart is heavy. This is an utter embarassment to Canada.
frank
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:33 AM
the rcmp like all police will lie when have you ever seen the police tell the
truth--they are not your friends they want to put you in jail--it is them or
us---no I have never had a speeding ticket never had a problem with the police
and i am not broke--but the police will never tell the truth
Darlene
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:35 AM
This man was becoming a dnager to himself & the public if the police hadn't done
anything then they would still be in the news for not doing anything no matter
what they can't win. When you look at how many ppl have been tasered to the
deaths then I say keep using them. if u haven't done anything wrong then u have
nothing to worry about. If the man had been near u throwing things around I am
sure u would be wanting the police to do anything to protect u & your family
Rae Farrell
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:45 AM
That was murder, simple.

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keith
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:50 AM
The police are not to blame here, its the people that classified these weapons a
none lethal weapon. The police are trained to take action and reduce the problem
as quickly as possible. That is what they did and in the result the man dies.
The respondents at the airport were more responsible than the police, if the
respondents had told him, we will call your mom over the p.a he would have been
just fine. NO disrespect but that man was acting in a violent manor and really
he created his own death. In public place act like a human rather than a raging
lunatic
F. Lund
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:55 AM
Ban the lethal weapons. The police have an arsenal of tools at their disposal.
There are 3 police officers and one unarmed fellow who doesn't speak English in
an airport (of all places!) and they don't have the necessary skills to deal
with this situation? Shame on the police. Shame on Canada!
Jon
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 12:57 AM
To all the dozens of people who stood by watching this man (and those that video
taped him) without bothering to approach him to offer help, shame on you!!!
Clearly the man was tired, confused and frightened and none of you had the heart
to help. It is not surprising then that those same people are so quick to blame
the very RCMP force that protects them. These people clearly have very little
understanding of what it is like to be in a alien environment and be frightened
and alone and not have anyone to communicate with. Yes, it is sad that the man
died, but lets give the RCMP the respect that they DO deserve and complete a
full investigation with all the facts. I can tell you that there are many facts
that have yet to be made public that will shed quite a different light on what
really happened and particularly the role that those that stood by and did
nothing ultimately had in this mans death.
Jon
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:00 AM
To all the dozens of people who stood by watching this man (and those that video
taped him) without bothering to approach him to offer help, shame on you!!!
Clearly the man was tired, confused and frightened and none of you had the heart
to help. It is not surprising then that those same people are so quick to blame
the very RCMP force that protects them. These people clearly have very little
understanding of what it is like to be in a alien environment and be frightened
and alone and not have anyone to communicate with. Yes, it is sad that the man
died, but lets give the RCMP the respect that they DO deserve and complete a
full investigation with all the facts. I can tell you that there are many facts
that have yet to be made public that will shed quite a different light on what
really happened and particularly the role that those that stood by and did
nothing ultimately had in this mans death.
Jim Turner
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:04 AM
It is obvious that the RCMP did not follow thier own 5 point program on
aggresive behaviour, soft talk first, if that does not work hard talk and after
that a more aggressive approach can be made but they were only there for 24
seconds obviously policy was not followed in this situation.
Steve
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:19 AM
A man was MURDERED by the RCMP clowns who receive about 3 weeks or 3 months of
training. It's not their fault...a lack of training in common sense...
Mike
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:20 AM
Question: what was the Officer striking at 7:11 and 7:12 of the video?; Did he
actually die of the taser or?? I would rather be shot with a taser then firearm
simply because the police can't hit the broadside of a barn with firearm let
alone a leg or arm; they're taught to shoot at the largest body mass which just
happens to contain the heart and most of our vital organs - even at 10 feet
away! Shooting in arms and legs happens in movies not real life, Police are
people too, they react just like everyone else, when they're in a situation -
thier hands quiver and move. The taser is simply a tool that should be used as a
situation escalates, as is batons, pepper spray and in extreme situations a
firearm. The primary tool that every one (including Police) is supposedly
taught, including in our schools to prevent bullying, is communication. The
speed at which the Police surrounded and dealt with the individual doesn't
appear to indicate that there was much of an attempt to communicate with him
from the video. No negotiation, no attempt at 1 to 1, no PA system; just what
information had been passed onto the Police from Security - a wacked out
foreigner (terrorist) on drugs threatening staff, passengers, and the security
of Canada? Too many questions? - the coroner (forensic examiner) is going to
have a lot to answer to on this one; as are the Police and their training in the
use of their tools!.
david anderson
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:23 AM
what has it come to when our protectors are now killing unarmed people?...
police state?....ban the taser and the rcmp......we can look after ourselfs
thanks.....p.s thers no goverment like no government.... welcome to the prison
plsnet folks.... wakey wakey
david anderson
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:34 AM
if the cops ever tried to taser me i would hunt them like dogs... sorry to say
... they have stepped over the line and i wont stand for it ....to hell with them
Barbara
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:36 AM
I feel badly for this man's mother, who unwittingly told her son to wait for her
in the "baggage area" , which in Kamloops and most smaller airports is in a
public area. Unfortunately, she did not realize he would wait so long for her in
customs, (which in Vancouver is where the baggage area where she could not go -
Not speaking english, he would not realize she could not come into the baggage
area and by the time he came out, she had left. An unfortunate collection of
mistakes by all parties involved led to a tired , confused man dying.
Jay
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:39 AM
If one is to actually carefully scrutinze the actions of the male, you can
clearly see that something is wrong. He's obviously disoriented, breathing very
heavily and exhibiting some violent tendencies by throwing things around. As
mentioned previousy, excited delerium is a possible explanation, which means
that he likely would have died no matter what. When police approached he tried
to move away, and given his outbursts, was tasered, which is congruent with the
nationally accepted use of force model. You can hear one of the observers say,
"He's still fighting with them." Further, a taser delivers 1/1000th the current
of a defribulator, and no medical diagnosis has ever stated that a taser has
caused the death of anyone. This is pure fear-mongering by people who don't
choose to educate themselves on actual facts.
Kavita Bains
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:45 AM
I am outraged and deeply saddened after watching the video clip of Robert
Dziekanski being tasered. The 4 police officers clearly used excessive force and
showed an abuse of power. They should be held responsible for causing Mr.
Dziekanski's death. I see no difference in the gun and the taser, as their
results are the same. Therefore, the same rules should apply for the use of
these weapons. We the public must take a stand against the use of the tasers.
Andrew
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:46 AM
It was murder, nothing more to say
Joey
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 01:58 AM
What's most disturbing is that some people actually think the officers may have
had a reasonable excuse to do what they did. If it takes 4 RCMP officers to take
down 1 man WITH A WEAPON, I guess anyone can do the job! He had his hands up!!!!
He wasn't doing anything to them when they tasered him!!!!!!!

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Andrew
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:03 AM
I saw the tape on CTV 6:oo o'clock news. None of the policemen were in direct
danger at any time. This is cold blooded murder. The police action is
reprehensible. I wonder what is the policeman, who used the taser, thinking
about his action? I am very disturb by Rob's comment. This is not the place to
bring up public disregard for police force work. We all know how dengerous job
they do every day. The criticism is directed to this particular action by
police. If use of taser in this case is not an axcessive force, what is. Who
give you Mr. Rob the right to say that Robert Dziekanski wold have likely died
even without beeing tasered?
Pat
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:14 AM
After seeing the video I do feel the RCMP acted to quickly. If I was being held
for 10 hours and didn't know why, I would panic as well. Especially not being
able to speak the language.It also showed how one of the 4 officers put his knee
on the mans throat, after he was tasered and down on the floor.Four officers
couldn't handcuff him.I am apauled by this.If they needed help, there was
security there as well.Those 4 officers didn't have a clue how to handle the
situation.They never gave the poor guy a chance.Now he's dead.The RCMP should be
so proud of themselves.Just another screwup by the Mounties, they are getting a
great reputation for using to much force.Clearly that's what happened.They
should be charged with MURDER (if there is any justice).That video shows
everything very clearly.There was no need to take such agressive action, they
should have restrained the man with help if needed, NOT KILL HIM.Coming from a
Police family we all feel the same after watching that.If charges arn't laid
against these officers then a great miscaridge of justice is obvious.My thoughts
and prayers are with the man's family. Yes we need Police but we don't need
vigilanties like those 4.As a Canadian I demand that an inquirery be held
immediatly.They should be relieved of there duties ( without Pay) until this
matter has been brought before the courts. Then again, with the judges we have
they will get a slap on the hand, told to be more careful next time. What a
great country we live in.One must be scared of Police Officers. That's something
that happens in Mexico.I hope these officers can sleep at night. How dispicable
they are. I can't find the right words to use on how disgusted I am with this
whole matter. God help us all especially when your being pulled over by the
RCMP, you may end up DEAD. Why do they bother to train these guys,once they
leave depot there free to do what they feel is justified. I think those taser
guns should stay for serious matters, but nothing like what happened at the
airport. Four officers and not one with any brains. How shameful. Lots of
training is needed in using those taser guns.WOW this makes me sick.
Mike D
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:37 AM
While he did vandalize a few things, at the time the 4 "police" surrounded him,
he was not posing any threat. It was repeated over and over again that they
needed a translator (even if they got the language wrong), yet these keystone
cops just pulled out the taser and shot him. Dead. There's no going back here,
there's no payoff to compensate anybody. These cops should be charged with
manslaughter, and regardless of the outcome, immediately terminated with no
benefits and forfeiting their pensions. And the people in charge of YVR security
who let this continue before any intervention should be fired as well.
Martin
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:41 AM
Embarassing....What goes around, comes around. Next time I hear about a cop
getting killed I'll remember that, being armed, they had a fighting chance -
unlike this poor man that FOUR trained officers couldn't physically contain, or
even try. If the police had their way this video would have never been released
and their internal review would clear any wrongdoing. I have two officers in my
family, one retired, and they are both hoping that there is something more than
what we have heard and seen so far.
ANGELOS
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:50 AM
I'm so sad about the loss of this poor man's life. Is this the police that
protect us? Then who's going to protect us from the police? Who train these
people? Why do they have to behave so aggresively like cowboys that many have
mentioned below? I've seen the brutality of the police in this country many
times, and most of the time was needless. See Euro 2004 at the Danforth,
Toronto. See U20 World Cup in Toronto with Chilean team and fans. See peacefull
demonstrations in Toronto. Why all this aggresion? Obviously most police cannot
handle situations in a more peacefull manner. Their first choice is force. Why
in other countries police can handle more difficult situations without using the
force as their first choice? SHAME on Canada, SHAME to RCMP, SHAME to the
Police, SHAME to all the people that still cannot see what happened in this video!
Scott
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 02:57 AM
If Police are trained to use a Taser then they should also be trained to check
for a pulse and perform CPR on someone that they just killed instead of waiting
12 minutes for paramedics to basically call the time of death.
Vi
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:00 AM
I agree with the use of Yasers but then it doesn't matter what a police officer
does thse days they are in the wrong when they have to make a split second
decision. Maybe these negative thinkers next time they need an officer remember
their opinions and don't make that phone call because thae might come and have
to use a tazer to save 'your life'
Serge
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:01 AM
Bunch of armed cowards in buletproof vets.
amy
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:28 AM
i agree with everyone who has posted their comments...this man was
confused...alone..and scared...and came into our counrty canada...the land of
the free...ya right...he wanted to start a new life here with his mom...well his
life ended in canada...all because 4 RCMP Officers who acted tough and became
bullies...this man didnt throw things at them...didnt jump towards them..or show
any act of anger...he was just upset..Why was'nt there anyone to talk to this
man...i thought that there is people around to help you if your in a strange
counrty to talk to you in your language..but i guess not...these 4 officers will
just get a slap on the wrist and told to take time off the force with pay..and
it will get swept under the carpet and forgotten about...and his mom will have
to live the rest of her life asking herself why...why didnt he get help..why
didnt the airport page her...why didnt someone talk with him...why did they use
such force..and her why's will never be answered...i feel ashamed for our
RCMP...the motto is so wrong..to serve and protect,,,it should be changed....i
just hope there is someone who can answer all her questions and my prayers go
out to her...may he rest in peace...
Marek
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:43 AM
Dam...im 14 and i felt terrible watching that video....the poor guy gets a
little angry, smashes a computer was it? which is bad, so they called the police
over...they briefly try to speak with him though they knew he only spoke
russian...so he probably didnt know wat was going on and BAM! 3 policemen had to
taser and kill him just because they were scared he might hit them? they coulda
easily just ganked up and took him down without harming him...

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Ben
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:55 AM
As Rob said we don't have much regard for the police and in my veiw it's totally
justified. They have brought it on themselves by lowering the criteria for being
an officer and keeping power seekers and cowards on the force as these four
numbskulls have clearly shown us in this viceo. The RCMP used to command respect
because they had people that used common sense. Now we seem to have tax
collectors with guns (and tasers) Heaven forbid that someone other than
themselves investigate what they do ,after all we must protect each other at all
cost. If the complaint that they seem to cling to is "we have a dangerous job
and should be allowed to do what we want" I suggest you hang up your guns and go
flip burgers unless of course you think it's too hot in that kitchen. Ban the
taser until someone with brains learns when and where and how to use it.
Matt
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 05:06 AM
Combative? The man was backing away with his hands up when they tasered him?
What do you want? Shot in the back of the head, the 4 police officers claimed
self-defense. What kind of atrocities do we need to see on "video" before some
people here can actually show some human decency and agree with the truth? No
wonder the RCMP didn't want the video returned to Paul Pritchard. It bares
striking similarity to the LA Rodney incident which resulted in the LA riot of 92.
John
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 05:09 AM
I have seen Baseball managers throwing a fit or tirade much worse than that on
TV, and we don't see them tasered to death.
Stephen Green
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 05:20 AM
This is a very difficult one. Clearly the man was in a total state of mental
derangement, completely agitated. The Police did their thing in accordance with
a process for anyone that displays such irrational behaviour. Whether the police
use a baton, or whatever, the result likely could have been the same. The man
went into shock. I do not think the whole story has been told yet.
stan
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 06:26 AM
oh you are stupid ROB, you cannot see properly the computer screen???
Steve
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 07:13 AM
It's quick and easy to jump on the bandwagon and criticize, but it's important
to stop for a minute and consider the situation from the officer's perspective.
Here was an agitated and belligerant man who was yelling and waiving his hands
around in an airport. Nobody could possibly know who he was nor what his
intentions were. When faced with that situation, the officers had no way to know
he did not, for example, have a bomb vest or other hidden weapon. Their purpose
there is to protect the hundreds or thousands of people at the airport from
threats. This man was a potential threat. They had no information to suggest
otherwise, and had to treat him as such until they could know more about him.
Therefore, it is critical to wait for the investigation. If moved his hand
towards his jacket, then they could have been in fear he was about to trigger
explosives. We don't know. A gun in the hand is not the only way to pose a
lethal threat. If the officers felt there was a threat, an attempt to use
non-lethal force that would IMMEDIATELY immobilize him could very well be
justified. Perhaps they felt that trying to rush and tackle him may give him the
opportunity to trigger an explosive device. Maybe this wasn't the case. I don't
know. But neither does anyone else who has criticized their actions either. But
since we know absolutely nothing now, the last thing people should be doing is
rushing to judge the officers. Maybe the investigation will show that they
should have acted differently, and maybe this will simply prove to be a horribly
tragic misunderstanding.
Graham
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 07:51 AM
Police are not all thugs, but this video makes one thing clear: we cannot
generalize. The same goes for the taser, it is clearly more lethal than the
moderate approach warranted by this particular situation. Don't allow those who
support tasers generalize its usefullness in order to make it sound like its use
is always appropriate. These officers were wrong. What is sad, is they will
likely face consequences for their poor security decisions. That's right,
officers are one of the few professions that rarely have to answer for their
misconduct due to their position of authority. That in itself is why tasers
should be illegal weapons even in the hands of an officer. The difference
between lethal and non-lethal force should be clear, (fisticuffs vs gun) and the
taser can fall on either side due to additional considerations. Officers
themselves have to make "split second life or death situations everyday", so by
their own admission the taser does not fit this classification as it clearly
does not allow officers to take into account all considerations before usage.
How can they truly protect, if you are zapped until proven innocent? That is not
the Canada I grew up in.
Judy
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 08:30 AM
Police should use whatever force necessary to apprehend individuals that believe
they are above the laws of this country and feel they do not have to yield to
police when told to do so. I feel that capital punishment should be reinstated
for anyone taking the life of a law enforcement officer including correctional
officers, RCMP and City Police. These people put their lives on the line
everyday to protect us and all I've heard and seen in the news lateley is the
cold blooded murder of those who serve us. There is no greater gift than to lay
down your life for your fellow man, However when that life is taken in such a
casual way of late my motto for law enforcement is shoot first ask questions later.
mike
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 08:31 AM
It is a SHAME. I hope those poorly trained RCMP officers will go on trail
together with their superiors. As a sidenote, this is a HUGE dent in canadian image.
G
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:03 AM
Call him aggressive or call him "distraught", it doesn't matter, the police had
an obligation to get him under control before he hurt people or damaged
property. They DIDN'T have an obligation to go "hands-on" with an obviously
irrational person, which would have exposed their guns to him, and very possibly
would have resulted in one or more of them being assaulted. The taser, or pepper
spray, was the best choice, and that will likely be the result of the
investigation. Of course, the anti-authority 60's throwbacks will then cry
"cover-up", but nothing would make them happy anyways.
David London
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:12 AM
Tazers are deadly and the cops are proving it. They should only ever be used in
a life or death situation. I saw cops taser local boys fighting over a girl.
They were on the ground fighting and the cop made no effort to break them up
physically or even verbally. The cop showed up without hat on or ID out and
tazered these guys. Further, cops do not have CPR training or protocool in place
and no defibrillators in their cars. Tazers should be pulled immediately.
Bruce
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:13 AM
Why did the officers make no attempt at CPR once they determined that the victim
was in trouble?
Denis
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:17 AM
Until ALL the facts are made public, until those who criticize the actions of
the police officers walk a mile in their shoes, until society comes to grip with
the fact that there are NO safe calls for police who attend them and finally,
until someone tells me why any of the bystanders did not even try to intervene
in this case BEFORE the police were called I refuse to condemn these officers
who were only trying to do their job and at the same time stay safe. This is
tantamount to convicting a paramedic for assault after breaking a bone in
someones' chest after doing CPR. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. Society
needs to get a grip on the criticism they are doling out to police. Pretty soon,
no one will want to be a police officer

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Pontius11
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:24 AM
This is absolutely disgusting. How can anyone who sees this cowardly act have
respect for these individuals or their organization? Who was that warped
individual with the baton or the one choking the poor soul with his leg? Their
message is that no matter whether you are able to or not you will instantly obey
or you will die. Why was this man driven to distraction? The blood is also on
the hands of YVR. This is a stain upon our nation.
Angie
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:26 AM
....and the saddest that nobody even tried to revive the man! Left for dead.
That is homicide for yah.
cheryl
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 09:29 AM
Tasers are lethal force. Right up there with shooting someone. Why are police so
quick to use pepperspray and tasers to defuse situations, instead of
conversation? I understand if situations are out of control, but pepperspraying
women and children (Sechelt Band)and tasering obviously frightened immigrants
definitely doesn't seem like out of control situations. If they can't use common
sense to deal with situations, they shouldn't be police officers. And there need
to be severe guidelines for the use of tasers. And as long as the police are
allowed to investigate themselves; there will always be situations where they
lie to protect themselves and their fellow officers will back them up.
janie
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 03:56 PM
I think our RCMP need to review the it's raison d'etre and the ethos that is
instilled during training. This appears to be an American-style takedown,
committed without thought or compassion. Canada should not ape our neighbour's
unreasoning fears and panic about security. These officers were probably acting
within guidelines that were set out by their superiors. That is truly frightening!
Doug
Thu, Nov 15, 07 at 04:19 PM
This is once again a horrible example of the increasing misuse of a 'non-lethal
device' by police. There have been recent cases of taser abuse but this is
obviously the worse one so far. 4 large, fit RCMP cops should be able to easily
handle a distraught man who is clearly unarmed with out resorting to the taser.
If cops are afraid to get physical with subjects then they should not be cops in
the first place. They come across as nothing but redneck cowboy thugs.

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