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26.03.05, 01:00
The Most Compelling Book I've Ever Read About Stalin, July 08 2004
"Stalin: The Court of The Red Tsar" is simply the most compelling book I've
ever read about Stalin, and I've read a few (from Martin Amis to Solzhenitsyn
to Robert Tucker to Volkogonov.) Montefiore has the skills of a novelist with
narrative drive, smooth prose, and psychological portraiture. He also has
ransacked a treasure-trove of freshly available documents like personal
correspondence, newly published memoirs, and in-depth interviews with family
members of the Soviet elite. The result is the most gripping picture yet of
this time and place in world history.

Interestingly enough, the Soviet leaders were like a small town where everyone
knew and lived in close proximitity with each other. Add to this the murderous
habits of the Bolsheviks and you get something which looks amazingly like "The
Sopranos": family men who were also monsters. (I guess David Chase just has
great instincts for this kind of material.) There's also a resemblance to "I,
Claudius" in the mixture of power, family banality, and horror. For example
secret police chief Beria was a loving husband, father and grandfather who
also personally tortured, raped, and killed his victims. (Human bones were
recently found in the basement of his old mansion, according to Montefiore.)

The author also has a sure grasp on the moral and intellectual issues raised
by Stalin's life. He says that the Communists were a fanatical sect and
compares them to the "Islamo-fascists" that we face today. He also gives an
amazingly rounded portrait of the human side of the dictator and the people
around him. We learn about Stalin's mistresses; that the secret policeman
Yezov's flighty, doomed wife slept with the great writer Isaac Babel; that
Stalin ordered the destruction of his wife Nadya's entire family (including
one woman who had an affair with him.) This is an absolutely essential book
which you must purchase immediately.


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At Last, a Stalin Study Free of Cold War Hyperbole!, July 02 2004
Montefiore's study of Stalin is truly the first, comprehensive, academic study
of Stalin WITHOUT the ubiquitious Cold War rhetoric and moral grandstanding of
so many previous English language biographies. Unlike Payne, Ulam, Tucker, and
Lacquer, for example, Montefiore provides readers with an exhaustive
examination of Stalin and his close associates for what they really were:
Human beings who loved, hated, gossiped, told bawdy jokes, back-stabbed, got
drunk, went on picnics, struggled with self doubt, cried, worried about their
careers, enjoyed singing folk songs, spent long hours at the office, played
with their children, endured personal health problems, and grieved for lost
family members. This book does NOT focus on geopolitics or diplomacy but
rather the million-and-one seemingly day-to-day activities that make up the
thing we call Existence. Based on many interviews and newly-opened Russian
archives, Montefiore presents a fascinating, lively, and well written study
for both the scholar and the general reader. Stalin and all of his lieutenants
Obserwuj wątek
    • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 01:23
      A pisalam Ci kiedys o tej ksiazce Simona.S.Montefiorego "Dwor Czerwonego Cara"smile
      Swietnie sie czyta, polecam. Wykorzystal do ksiazki m.in listy milosne z
      roznych moskiewskich archiwow,kremlowska ksiege raportow.Sam Montefiore, jest
      dziennikarzem i pisarzem, podrozowal wiele po bylym ZSRR,a jesli dobrze
      pamietam jest gdzies prezenterem telewizyjnym.
      "He says that the Communists were a fanatical sect and compares them to
      the "Islamo-fascists" that we face today" - dokladnie!!!!!!!!!!!
      • zupagrzybowa Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 01:37
        wyobraz sobie ze jej jeszcze nie czytalem wink a podoba mi sie koncept...

        odmitologizowanie wladzy....wink
        • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 01:43
          Mnie tezsmile
          Ja juz jestem po lekturze.Ksiazka ma prawie 800 stron, ale czyta sie ja jednym
          tchem smile Polecam Doctorzesmile



          • zupagrzybowa Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 01:52
            800 stron zajmie miejsce na dyskietce...cala przyjemnosc przedemna...smile))

            a slyszalas ze dziadek Putina byl naczelnym kucharzem Razputina? rodzina
            Naczelnego Kuchmistrza Kremla ?-)
            • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 01:55
              A nie slyszalam!
              Ciekawe, co zatem Putin nam z...gotuje....


              • zupagrzybowa Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 02:07
                ano ciekawe...wink

                chociaz wydaje mi sie ze jest zaskoczony tym kirgizkim szaszlykiem..wink

                • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 02:25
                  Wedlug mnie jesgo reakcja jest....podejrzanie spokojna. I te deklaracje,ze nie
                  ma nic przeciwko i to swtierdzenie "ze wspolpraca z kirgizka opozycja
                  istniala".... Hmmmm...
                  zobacz: serwisy.gazeta.pl/swiat/1,34174,2622135.html

                  • zupagrzybowa Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 02:34
                    tez na zwrocilem uwage ...w koncu te bazy wojskowe rosyjsko amerykanskie sa
                    blisko siebie a i chiny niedaleko...
                    tadzikistan afganistan pakistan...iran...

                    centrum azji

                    miejsce mi bliskie wink
                    • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 02:44
                      No wlasnie. Pamietasz przeciez reakcje Putina po Pomaranczowej Rewolucji na
                      Ukrainie ? Cos go nie doszkolili w tym KGB, ze tak latwo mozna odczytac jego
                      posuniecia, gesty itd.
                      Dlaczego centrum Azji jest ci bliskie?

                      PS. Co do Rosji: za rondo Dudajewa w Moskwie, zrobia ulice
                      Murawjowa............Na pewno nie popieram terrorystow czeczenskich, ale
                      przeciez Czeczenia ma prawo do wlasnego niepodleglego panstwa.Wiec gest
                      hmmm..radnych warszawskich jest kontrowersyjny ale w pelni zrozumialy.
                      • drf Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 18:28
                        urodzilem sie tam...niby dalekie a bliskie wink

                        ps;
                        wydaje mi sie ze Rosja dogada sie z Czeczenia
                        tak jak Izrael z Palestynczykami stad wizyta
                        Putina u Szarona w kwietniu...zmiany na BW
                        Liban,Syria zaklada szybka adaptacje do nowej
                        sytuacji...uzbrajanie Syrii,Iranu moze byc bardzo
                        kontraproduktywne...

                        pss;
                        czy pomnik stalina stanie w maju 2005 w moskwie...?





                        ?

                        pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garri_Kasparow
                        March 12, 2005

                        Kasparov moves to check Putin
                        From Jeremy Page in Moscow
                        A DAY after retiring from competitive chess, Garry Kasparov, the former world
                        champion, announced yesterday that he would devote himself to politics to oppose
                        what he called President Putin’s dictatorship.

                        His announcement was the latest sign that Russia’s liberal opposition is trying
                        to galvanise its efforts to prevent Mr Putin from tightening his grip on power
                        before a presidential election in 2008, when he is scheduled to step down.

                        “I have done everything I could in chess and more,” Mr Kasparov said in a
                        statement. “Now I plan to use my intellect and strategic thoughts in Russian
                        politics. “I believe that the country is moving in the wrong direction,
                        therefore it is necessary to help Russia, to help Russian citizens, to make the
                        country comfortable, just and free. I will do everything possible to oppose
                        Putin’s dictatorship.”

                        Mr Kasparov, born in Baku in the Soviet republic of Azerbaijan, is widely
                        regarded as the best chess player in history, although he will be remembered in
                        part for one of his few defeats, against Deep Blue, an IBM supercomputer, in
                        1997. Mr Kasparov lost his world championship to Vladimir Kramnik, of Russia, in
                        2000 but is still ranked No 1 by Fide, the world chess body.

                        Mr Kasparov is a leader of Committee 2008: Free Choice, which was set up by
                        liberals after they were trounced by the pro-Kremlin bloc in the 2003
                        parliamentary elections.

                        Committee 2008, whose members include Irina Khakamada and Grigory Yavlinsky, the
                        reformists, aims to replace Mr Putin with a more liberal leader at the next
                        presidential election. Some of Mr Putin’s critics believe that he is planning to
                        use his majority in parliament to change the constitution to prolong his
                        rule.Last month, Mikhail Kasyanov, the former Prime Minister, launched a
                        scathing attack on the Kremlin and suggested that he would try to unite the
                        liberal opposition and run for president.

                        Analysts say that the opposition is trying to capitalise on an unprecedented
                        barrage of criticism of Mr Putin at home and abroad this year. President Bush
                        expressed concerns about Mr Putin’s steps to roll back democracy when they
                        recently met in Bratislava, the Slovakian capital. Mr Bush highlighted the
                        Kremlin’s control of national media and its recent decision to abolish direct
                        elections for regional governors.

                        Mr Putin’s popularity has also been dented by a series of crises, including the
                        Beslan school siege, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine and botched welfare
                        reforms. The Kremlin says that its reforms are needed to rebuild the State, push
                        through painful economic reforms and prevent further terrorist attacks.

                        news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4163439.stm
                        • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 18:50
                          Obstawiam jednak,ze Czeczenia nie predko dogada sie z ruskimi.
                          Putin byc moze powie: ja chcialem ale ludzie mi nie pozwolili. (oczywiscie to
                          bedzie wykret )
                          Pamietasz zamachy w Moskwie ? Na domy mieszkalne itd?
                          Co do Izraela, wypada miec taka nadzieje. Chociaz wiesz przeciez, jakie sa sily
                          i wplywy hamasu w regionie mimo,czestych "lapanek"jego przywodcow?

                          Pss:
                          Kto wie? Stalin tez wiecznie zywy sad

                          • drf Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 19:39
                            przyszlosc ksztaltuja nowe idee
                            ta planeta sie demokratyzuje i ten
                            globalny proces mozna obserwowac
                            na zywo ...on line...

                            www.aha.ru/~mausoleu/index_e.htm
                            mausoleum totalitaryzmu z mumiami z wosku ?
                            • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 20:17
                              Hihi a swoja droga jesli to nie mumie z wosku, ciekawa jestem, ile kosztuje
                              rosyjskiego podatnika utrzymanie Wołodji Ilicza Uljanowa w stanie wzglednego
                              skupienia i jako takiego wygladu?

                              Konserwacja...hm.

                              • drf Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 20:25
                                orginal pogrzebac w prawoslawno-bolszewickim obrzadku a kopie z wosku albo z
                                latexu w Mauzoleum© wystawic ,(taniej a i mozliwa kase widze...wink))


                                www.aha.ru/~mausoleu/leninee.htm

                                GLOSY Z MAUZOLEUM wink
                                • marianna.rokita Lenin z latexu:) 26.03.05, 20:30
                                  DOKTORZE LEPSZEGO JAJA W ZYCIU NIE SLYSZALAM!!!!!!!
                                  Lenin z latexu ihiiiiiiiiiihiiiiiiiiiiihhhhhhii....
                                  SIEDZE I PLACZE NA SZCZESCIE ZE SMIECHU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                  smile))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


                                  ( ty,doktorze, w zasadzie, to skad my mamy pewnosc ,ze ten "gosciu", ktory tam
                                  lezy nie jest juz z latexu ?)
                                  • drf Re: Lenin z latexu:) 26.03.05, 20:46
                                    uwazaj to ogromna kasa ...

                                    moge byc udzialowcem w byznesie wink))
                                    Lenin© z latexusmile

                                    mozna wirtualny sklep otworzyc...

                                    stalinZlatexu©

                                    mlodyLenin© z Wosku 300 $ ?

                                    a i terapia polityczna tez za darmo...?-)
                                    • marianna.rokita Re: Lenin z latexu:) 26.03.05, 20:51
                                      zatem cicho sza.... cichooooooooo!
                                      nic nie mow o nowym interesie.
                                      Robimysmile

                                      Jak na rekordziske przystalo, popracuje nad sex wersja Lenina i Stalina.
                                      Sexlenin dmuchana lala, SexStalin dmuchana lala wersja bi smile
                                      (z dołaczana pompka)
                                      No i darmowe uslugi sexuologasmile

                                      Pracuj nad wersja soft smile
                                      A moze male Leninki, zamiast polskich wszedobylskich, ulubionych za zachodnia
                                      granica, Krasnali ?
                                      Postaw Leninka w ogrodku.... Why not ?
            • pozarski Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 28.03.05, 15:28
              zupagrzybowa napisała:

              > 800 stron zajmie miejsce na dyskietce...cala przyjemnosc przedemna...smile))
              >
              > a slyszalas ze dziadek Putina byl naczelnym kucharzem Razputina? rodzina
              > Naczelnego Kuchmistrza Kremla ?-)

              nic podobnego doktorku! to razputin byl kucharzem putina! objsubj
              • drf Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 28.03.05, 15:46
                musze 5-6 burakow zagotowac
                bede zdawal relacje...

                towarzyszu pozarski czy wy macie pociag do trockizmu ?
    • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 02:38
      A w sprawie Putnina mamy cos nowego.Rosyjski MSZ wydal oswiadczenie, ze prawda
      o Katyniu zostala juz powiedziana na poczatku lat 90.
      Nie skomentowal natomiast uchwaly rosyjskiego Sejmu w sprawie Katynia.
      • drf Stalin's Killing Field 26.03.05, 18:47
        www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/contacts.html
        One of the earliest--and certainly the most infamous--mass shootings of
        prisoners of war during World War II did not occur in the heat of battle but was
        a cold-blooded act of political murder. The victims were Polish officers,
        soldiers, and civilians captured by the Red Army after it invaded eastern Poland
        in September 1939. Strictly speaking, even the Polish servicemen were not POWs.
        The USSR had not declared war, and the Polish commander in chief had ordered his
        troops not to engage Soviet forces. But there was little the Poles could do. On
        28 September, the USSR and Nazi Germany, allied since August, partitioned and
        then dissolved the Polish state. They then began implementing parallel policies
        of suppressing all resistance and destroying the Polish elite in their
        respective areas. The NKVD and the Gestapo coordinated their actions on many
        issues, including prisoner exchanges. At Brest Litovsk, Soviet and German
        commanders held a joint victory parade before German forces withdrew westward
        behind a new demarcation line. 1

        Official records, opened in 1990 when glasnost was still in vogue, show that
        Stalin had every intention of treating the Poles as political prisoners. Just
        two days after the invasion began on 17 September, the NKVD created a
        Directorate of Prisoners of War. 2 It took custody of Polish prisoners from the
        Army and began organizing a network of reception centers and transfer camps and
        arranging rail transport to the western USSR. Once there, the Poles were placed
        in "special" (concentration) camps, where, from October to February, they were
        subjected to lengthy interrogations and constant political agitation. The camps
        were at Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Ostashkov, all three located on the grounds of
        former Orthodox monasteries converted into prisons. The NKVD dispatched one of
        its rising stars, Maj. Vassili Zarubin, to Kozelsk, where most of the officers
        were kept, to conduct interviews. Zarubin presented himself to the Poles as a
        charming, sympathetic, and cultured Soviet official, which led many prisoners
        into sharing confidences that would cost them their lives. 3

        The considerable logistic effort required to handle the prisoners coincided with
        the USSR's disastrous 105-day war against Finland. The Finns inflicted 200,000
        casualties on the Red Army and destroyed tons of materiel--and much of Russia's
        military reputation. That war, like the assault on Poland, was a direct result
        of Stalin's nonaggression pact with Hitler.

        The Soviet dictator offered Helsinki "remarkably moderate terms," in the words
        of British military historian Liddell Hart, taking only territory needed to
        defend the land, sea, and air approaches to Leningrad. 4 The difference between
        Stalin's treatment of Finland and Poland underscored his imperial ambitions
        toward the latter. Moscow and Helsinki even exchanged prisoners once hostilities
        had ceased. (Stalin, however, dealt harshly with his own soldiers who had been
        in Finnish captivity. At least 5,000 repatriated troops simply disappeared from
        an NKVD prison and were presumably executed. 5)

        Stalin was anxious to settle with Finland so he could turn his attention to
        Poland and the Baltic countries, which the Red Army would soon occupy and the
        NKVD would "pacify" using terror, deportations, and executions. Militarily, the
        war was over by late February, though a peace agreement was not signed until
        March. NKVD interrogations were completed about the same time. The Poles were
        encouraged to believe they would be released, but the interviews were in effect
        a selection process to determine who would live and who would die. On 5 March
        1940, Stalin signed their death warrant--an NKVD order condemning 21,857
        prisoners to "the supreme penalty: shooting." They had been condemned as
        "hardened and uncompromising enemies of Soviet authority." 6
        The Killing Field

        During April-May 1940, the Polish prisoners were moved from their internment
        camps and taken to three execution sites. The place most identified with the
        Soviet atrocity is Katyn Forest, located 12 miles west of Smolensk, Russia. For
        years historians assumed that the grounds of an NKVD rest and recreation
        facility were both an execution and burial site for nearly a fifth of the
        unfortunate Poles who found themselves in Soviet captivity. Post-Cold War
        revelations, however, suggest that the victims were shot in the basement of the
        NKVD headquarters in Smolensk and at an abattoir in the same city, although some
        may have been executed at a site in the forest itself. In any event, the Katyn
        Forest is--and will probably long remain--the main symbol of the atrocity, even
        if it was not the actual killing field.

        Memorandum on NKVD letterhead from L. Beria to "Comrade Stalin" proposing to
        execute captured Polish officers, soldiers, and other prisoners by shooting.
        Stalin's handwritten signature appears on top, followed by signatures of
        Politburo members K. Voroshilov, V. Molotov, and A. Mikoyan. Signatures in left
        margin are M. Kalinin and L. Kaganovich, both favoring execution.

        The Katyn Forest massacre was a criminal act of historic proportions and
        enduring political implications. When Nazi occupation forces in April 1943
        announced the discovery of several mass graves, propaganda minister Josef
        Goebbels hoped that international revulsion over the Soviet atrocity would drive
        a wedge into the Big Three coalition and buy Germany a breathing space, if not a
        victory, in its war against Russia. (A headline in the May 1943 Newsweek read:
        "Poles vs. Reds: Allied Unity Put to Test Over Officer Dead.") But Goebbels
        miscalculated. Despite overwhelming evidence of Soviet responsibility, Moscow
        blamed the Germans, and for the rest of the war Washington and London officially
        accepted the Soviet countercharge. When the Polish government-in-exile in London
        demanded an international inquiry, Stalin used this as a pretext to break
        relations. The Western allies objected but eventually acquiesced. Soon
        thereafter, the Soviet dictator assembled a group of Polish Communists that
        returned to Poland with the Red Army in 1944 and formed the nucleus of the
        postwar government. Stalin's experience with the Katyn affair may have convinced
        him that the West, grateful for the Red Army's contribution to the Allied
        military effort, would find it hard to confront him over Poland after the war.

        Professor Stanislaw Swianiewicz was the sole survivor of Katyn. He was waiting
        to board a bus to the forest area when an NKVD colonel arrived and pulled him
        out of line. Swianiewicz was an internationally recognized expert on forced
        labor in Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, who had been born in Poland when it was
        still part of the Russian empire, and had studied in Moscow. He ended up in
        Siberia, and after the war emigrated to the United States, where he taught
        economics at the University of Notre Dame. At least one CIA analyst remembers
        the professor from his days in South Bend.

        Those who died at Katyn included an admiral, two generals, 24 colonels, 79
        lieutenant colonels, 258 majors, 654 captains, 17 naval captains, 3,420 NCOs,
        seven chaplains, three landowners, a prince, 43 officials, 85 privates, and 131
        refugees. Also among the dead were 20 university professors; 300 physicians;
        several hundred lawyers, engineers, and teachers; and more than 100 writers and
        journalists as well as about 200 pilots. 7 It was their social status that
        landed them in front of NKVD execution squads. Most of the victims were
        reservists who had been mobilized when Germany invaded. In all, the NKVD
        eliminated almost half the Polish officer corps--part of Stalin's long-range
        effort to prevent the resurgence of an independent Poland.

        Recent historical research shows that 700-900 of the victim
    • abprall Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 26.03.05, 18:45
      to był facet !...squ..syn żadki, ale za ryja trzymał nawet zachodnich
      mądrusiów...qrwa cos w tym musi byc...
      gdyby nie rozwalił Tuchaczewskiego byłbym mu bardziej przyjazny...
      www.stel.ru/stalin/joseph_1935-1953.htm
      • marianna.rokita Re: ............S___T___A___L___I___N............ 27.03.05, 19:15
        Oj, Apbcio smileabpciosmile

        Polecam lekturke, o ktorej pisalismy z doktorem....


        • drf do pozarskiego 28.03.05, 14:57
          panie pozarski sprawa powazna...
        • pozarski do doktora 28.03.05, 14:57
          panie doktorze, wyskoczylo mi na nosie cos brzydkiego. cos wachalem pryed
          minutka i moze to z tego.pozarski
          • drf do pozarskiego 28.03.05, 15:15
            jestes klamca i symulant...pozarski wink
            • pozarski Re: do pozarskiego 28.03.05, 15:18
              drf napisał:

              > jestes klamca i symulant...pozarski wink
              mnie moju stary uczyl, nie wiem gdzie sie tego sam nauczyl, ze kazdy sadzi wg
              siebie! pozar-ski
              • drf kazdy sadzi wg siebie... 28.03.05, 15:23
                pozarski napisał:

                > drf napisał:
                >
                > > jestes klamca i symulant...pozarski wink
                > mnie moju stary uczyl, nie wiem gdzie sie tego sam nauczyl, ze kazdy sadzi wg
                > siebie! pozar-ski

                he he wink))

                obiektywnieSubiektywnie?

                iluzjonizm?
                • zupagrzybowa MAGIA BURAKOW 28.03.05, 16:11
                  drf napisał:

                  > pozarski napisał:
                  >
                  > > drf napisał:
                  > >
                  > > > jestes klamca i symulant...pozarski wink
                  > > mnie moju stary uczyl, nie wiem gdzie sie tego sam nauczyl, ze kazdy sadz
                  > i wg
                  > > siebie! pozar-ski
                  >
                  > he he wink))
                  >
                  > obiektywnieSubiektywnie?
                  >
                  > iluzjonizm?
                  >
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                  • marianna.rokita Re: MAGIA BURAKOW 29.03.05, 18:51
                    Po lekturze juz, doktorze ?W trakcie, przed?


                    Pozdrawiam
    • marianna.rokita a ruscy szaleja..... 29.03.05, 19:19
      jednak masz racje moze ten pomnik herr Dzugaszwilego stanie w Moskwie w 2005
      sad((

      Ciekawy tekst wpadl mi dzis w lapki.

      www.rzeczpospolita.pl/gazeta/wydanie_050329/publicystyka/publicystyka_a_8.html

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