Stag nights in Warsaw

[sobieski010]

I thought the stag nights concept only ruined Prague and is now polluting
Krakow as well - but on the Rynek here in Warsaw Saturday around 15.00 we saw
a group of completely plastered Brits in identical white T-shirts who
obviously were planning a long day and night to come. Too bad they could not
keep themselves silent and not spoil it for the rest of the people on the square.
Why does Central Europe have such a an appeal for such creatures?

[ianek70]

sobieski010 napisał:

> Why does Central Europe have such a an appeal for such creatures?

It's cheap, and there's lots of flights to Poland now.
Otherwise a shitehole like Bydgoszcz wouldn't be enjoying its 15 minutes of
popularity.
Drunks have as much right to travel as anyone else, but next year they'll be
having their stagnights in Kiev, or staying in the UK if fuel prices rise.

[marcus_anglikiem]

i know it may be considered selfish and disingenuous but one could always try
telling them that "it's all over here now, yesterday's news, the new hot spots
are further east, alcohol is half the price over there, hotel's 1/3 of the
price" - and watch them run east...

[nasza_maggie]

Well I disagree.
As long as we're making money off them, it's fine by me.
And as long as they stay on the beer. Because if they try
anything stronger they start being a biohazard.

[sobieski010]

Well... nothing to ruin your pleasant evening out in town than having
binge-drinking louts spoiling the whole evening for everyone.
Actually I read somewhere an article that in Vilnius or Riga thet have special
places for them, where they can enjoy their "pleasures" in seclusion.

Price differences

[ianek70]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> i know it may be considered selfish and disingenuous but one could always try
> telling them that "it's all over here now, yesterday's news, the new hot
spots
> are further east, alcohol is half the price over there, hotel's 1/3 of the
> price" - and watch them run east...

But why?
Have you ever been in Cieszyn?
For years the bars and markets on the Czech side were full of Poles buying
drink, because it was so much cheaper than here, and there were no wee normal
jars of honey in the shops, just huge litre ones, because it's cheaper south of
the border and Poles go across and buy it in bulk.
In Polish Cieszyn, there is an absurd amount of furniture shops, because
furniture is cheaper than in the Czech Republic. And never cross the border in
December cos you have to queue with hundreds of people who have five Xmas trees
under each arm.
There are garden gnome emporia all along this side of the PL/Deutschland
border, Swedes buy bevvy in DK and cross-channel ferries used to be full of
English folk who didn't have passports because they never actually went to
France but just got pissed on the cheap sea-borne drink.
So if people can have a good time that they couldn't afford at home, then why
not?
As soon as there are cheap flights east and folk can take advantage of
Ukrainian prices, they will. People who are seriously into shopping already fly
from the UK to NY for spending spree weekends, and if Morocco had lots of pubs
and duty-free hashish then there'd be Ryanair flights to Casablanca 5 times a
day from Glasgow.

[varsovian]

You old cynic, you

[ianek70]

I'm not a cynic, it's the folk saying "How dare these tourists contribute to
the Polish economy?" who're cynics.
I smell a bit of snobbery here, rich foreigners can come to Kraków and spend a
fortune on wooden Cepelia crap and horse-rides round the Rynek, but if they
want to do the same things working-class Poles do then it's unacceptable.
"These consumers are guests here, they've got no right to enjoy themselves."

A couple of years ago, the price of a bottle of whisky in Katowice was the same
as the price of 2 return tickets across the border, 2 bottles of the same
whisky in a Czech supermarket plus a few beers and some fried cheese at the
station while waiting for the train home.
The same economics applied in other parts of Poland, but it wasn't worth the
hassle. From here, though, the saving basically meant a free day out and a
change of scene.
So why spend 100 quid on yet another night out in Slough or Motherwell when you
can fly to somewhere else and have 2 nights out for the same price?
And what's the difference if a few foreigners clog up the bars rather than clog
up the museums?

[bluteau]

All this reminds me of the situation we had (have) in Montreal. Montreal for
many years was a popular destination for American college students, especially
from Boston, during their spring break. They came, they partied, made a lot of
noise, recked a bit of public property, disturbed the peace a little, barfed on
the pavement and park benches BUT they left their greenbacks behind. Proprieters
of hotels/motels, pubs, clubs, bars and the like were more than happy to put up
with the loud-mouthed oafs from the States, but the "public" complained and made
it unfriendly. So they stopped coming after a while. Recent statistics have
showed that fewer and fewer wealthier-than-us, spendthirsty Americans are
visiting my fair city. The "public" has something new to complain about.

[ianek70]

bluteau napisała:

> All this reminds me of the situation we had (have) in Montreal. Montreal for
> many years was a popular destination for American college students, especially
> from Boston, during their spring break. They came, they partied, made a lot of
> noise, recked a bit of public property, disturbed the peace a little, barfed
on
> the pavement and park benches BUT they left their greenbacks behind.
Proprieter
> s
> of hotels/motels, pubs, clubs, bars and the like were more than happy to put
up
> with the loud-mouthed oafs from the States, but the "public" complained and
mad
> e
> it unfriendly. So they stopped coming after a while. Recent statistics have
> showed that fewer and fewer wealthier-than-us, spendthirsty Americans are
> visiting my fair city. The "public" has something new to complain about.

A question of balance, I suppose.
How many litres of yankee barf are acceptable for every bucketful of greenbacks
spent?
In Europe it has a lot to do with fashion, and new budget air routes - Brits
went to Dublin 10 years ago when the first cheap flights started, then to
Amsterdam, then to Prague, and now to Warsaw.
You can fly for next to nothing to Paris, Rome, Barcelona or Berlin, which are
great cities to visit, but it's not always worth it for a drunken weekend.
In a year or two Moscow and Kiev will be full of drunks, and people will come
to Warsaw for the same reasons they now go to Dortmund or Sheffield.

[bluteau]

> How many litres of yankee barf are acceptable for every bucketful of greenbacks
>spent?

Good question, but when Quebec is suffering from lower numbers of tourists every
year (for other, much more serious reasons than just complaining about some
rowdy Bostonites), I don't think the city or the province as a whole is in a
position to choose or be too picky. It isn't our main industry, thank the lord,
but it's always nice to rake in a few extra Benji Franklins every year

[bluteau]

Try the anglo-franco language tiff on for size.
Never mind as an American, as a human being I'd be rather reluctant to return to
a place where I'm told directly and rudely to my face that I will not be served
unless I speak French (to be fair: or English, as I've heard has happened in
downtown Montreal on occasion). And all these tourists want to do is look around
and spend their money. WHO CARES what language they speak. If your livelihood is
connected with the tourist trap, then learn foreign languages and keep your
reservations for private time.

[sobieski010]

And honestly I do not care which language they speak either.

[sobieski010]

And which reason is that ??

[bluteau]

Sorry my previous post was meant for sobieski:

forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=29887&w=42645975&a=42668515

[sobieski010]

Well...I prefer decent tourists who do not vomit on the street and I do not
mind where they come from, trust me. It just happens that stag night parties
are English, and they infest a lot of CEE cities.
That is all. I like the atmosphere in warsaw's Stare Miasto in summertime..
jazz concerts, all these languages spoken... great. Donot want to have it
spoiled by beer-louts that is all.