ipod killer?

[kell99]

Od jakiegos czasu przymierzam sie do kupna przenosnego odtwarzacza audio.
Dotychczas myslalem o ipod 20GB, ale ostatnio ktos polecil mi iaudio m3
www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/m3/
i wyglada, ze ma kilka funkcji ktorych nie ma ipod (dziala jako mass storage,
odtwarza ogg, flac jakosciowo nie do pobicia), brakuje jednak dostepu do apple
store i aac co jest ogromnym minusem.
ale teraz wychodzi nowa wersja z kolorowym lcd, mozliwoscia dzialania jako
data bank (czyli np bezposredniego transferu zdjec z cyfrowego aparatu -
nieziemsko dla mnie przydatna funkcja)..
www.suntecint.com/detail.php?cat=&catid=22&prodid=72
po prostu ipod killer..
a moze jeszcze jakis inny interesujacy produkt na ktory warto zwrocic uwage?
nie jest to maly wydatek, wiec lepiej pomyslec 2x i kupic cos co spelni potrzeby.

[Gość: jose_g]

iPod tez dziala jako mass storage - na pewno na Macu (bez najmniejszych
problemow), na PC chyba nie - no chyba ze masz program ktory potrafi podmontowac
partycje HFS+

bardzo ladny ten iAudio. dla mnie brak AAC i dostepu do iTunes nie bylby minusem
ale to kwestia indywidualnych potrzeb.

ta wersja ktora dziala jako databank niestety jest lekko prymitywna bo nie ma
wbudowanego zlacza kart a jedynie umozliwia przylaczenie aparatu kablem.

inne produkty? moze Archos? (np. Gmini 220) maja to samo co iAudio tyle ze z
gniazdem CompactFlash ale nie wygladaja tak ladnie. w sieci mozna trafic na
rozne reviews. poczytaj.

[Gość: galilleo]

Jak znasz angielski to sobie poczytaj dlaczego iPod wpadl w powazne
problemy prawne w zwiazku z monopolizowaniem po przez iTunes CO moze i
jak moze byc odtwazane i ile razy .....

o wiele lepszym productem jest ARCHOS archos.com

Lawsuit Claims Apple Violates Law with iTunes

Thu Jan 6, 2005 02:04 AM GMT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - An unhappy iTunes online music store customer is
suing Apple Computer Inc., alleging the company broke antitrust laws by only
allowing iTunes to work with its own music player, the iPod, freezing out
competitors, court filings showed.

Apple, which opened its online music store in April 2003 after introducing the
iPod in October 2001, uses technology to ensure each digital song bought from
its store only plays on the iPod, a computer or home stereo system.

The suit was filed on Monday in the U.S. District Court in San Jose. One
antitrust expert called it a long shot, but Californian Thomas Slattery is
hoping for unspecified damages for being "forced" to buy an iPod, one of the
most successful electronics products in years.

The key to such a lawsuit would be convincing a court that a single product
brand like iTunes is a market in itself separate from the rest of the online
music market, according to Ernest Gellhorn, an antitrust law professor at
George Mason University.

While songs saved in the AAC format can be saved in the MP3 format and played
on virtually any digital music player, songs bought from the iTunes music store
have an added software tag, which Apple calls FairPlay DRM, or digital rights
management, added to the file that contains the song.

"Apple has turned an open and interactive standard into an artifice that
prevents consumers from using the portable hard drive digital music player of
their choice, even where players exist that would otherwise be able to play
these music files absent Apple's actions," the suit alleges.


www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=7249515

Thomas Slattery of California has sued Apple Computer for engaging in
monopolistic practices. Slattery was apparently displeased when he learned that
music purchases from the iTunes Music Store could only be played back using
iTunes and Apple's portable iPod line of players. The suit was filed this past
Monday in the U.S. District Court in San Jose, and alleges that "Apple has
turned an open and interactive standard into an artifice that prevents
consumers from using the portable hard drive digital music player of their
choice, even where players exist that would otherwise be able to play these
music files absent Apple's actions."

Technically, that specific claim is false. There is nothing stopping a user
from converting protected AAC audio files from iTMS to MP3s, which can then be
played in almost any music device of late. The problem is that converting a
compressed, lossy music file to another compressed, lossy music format will
result in a further loss of quality. One might argue that a consumer has a
right to make perfect copies of digital materials for Fair Use, but the courts
as of yet have not supported that idea, and Judge Newman ruling in Universal
City Studios, Inc. v. Corley explicitly wrote that "Fair use has never been
held to be a guarantee of access to copyrighted material in order to copy it by
the fair user's preferred technique or in the format of the original." In
short, the "I paid for it, so I have the right to make a 100% perfect copy of
it" argument doesn't play so well in the courts, at least yet.

The monopoly argument isn't likely to play well, either. The suit charges
that "Apple has unlawfully bundled, tied, and/or leveraged its monopoly in the
market for the sale of legal online digital music recordings to thwart
competition in the separate market for portable hard drive digital music
players, and vice-versa." Yet, for there to be a monopoly, there has to be a
market, and quite clearly iTunes, the iPod, and the iTMS do not constitute a
market. Rather, the market is the entirety of the online music business, which
has three major players in terms of digital rights management (Apple,
Microsoft, and Real), and a host online music stores.

The argument that might have a chance appears to be one that's not being made.
The only thing preventing Slattery of using his iTunes music files the way he
wants to is the DMCA. Apple's FairPlay DRM technology is an access control that
cannot be legally bypassed for any reason whatsoever, including for Fair Use
(thanks, DMCA!). Nevertheless, important DMCA cases have ruled in some cases
that it is the act of purchasing a product that should determine the quality of
access, not an access control (Lexmark International v. Static Control
Components, with regards to Lexmark's printers). It would be a stretch to try
and relate a copyrighted printing engine to a music file, but certainly no more
a stretch than the claim being made.

The fact of the matter is that this situation has come about for one reason and
one reason only: the DMCA. Its anti-circumvention clause makes it illegal to do
what would otherwise be completely legal, and it creates the opportunities for
these kinds of lock in. This is precisely why legislation such as that proposed
by Rick Boucher (D-VA) deserves more attention in the press and in Congress.
Spearheading the Digital Media Consumers' Rights Act (DMCRA; H.R. 107), Boucher
is seeking, among other things, to amend the anti-circumvention provisions to
include the clarification that "it is not a violation of this section to
circumvent a technological measure in connection with access to, or the use of,
a work if such circumvention does not result in an infringement of the
copyright in the work'," Additionally, the DMCRA would stipulate that "[i]t
shall not be a violation of this title to manufacture, distribute, or make
noninfringing use of a hardware or software product capable of enabling
significant noninfringing use of a copyrighted work."

I'd rather see Slattery argue the access issue and not the monopoly issue. The
latter will go nowhere. The former at least has a chance (and two semi-parallel
successes in the courts).

[janek0]

kell99 napisał:
> odtwarza ogg, flac jakosciowo nie do pobicia), brakuje jednak dostepu do apple
> store i aac co jest ogromnym minusem.
a ja gdzieś widziałem konwerter z aac na mp3.... :)

[maciej-d]

największym plusem tego odtwarza jest cena – 0 $ :) tak przynajmniej jest
napisanie na powyższej stronie.

[maciej-d]

super chcą 30 dolców za wysyłkę a za odtwarzacz 0 $ hehehe, ale wiedząc ze nie
ma nic za darmo na tym świecie, pewnie to twz. wałek.

[kell99]

ah, bo cena jest wielkim znakiem zapytania. m5 ma sie pojawic w sprzedazy w
styczniu i nikt do konca nie wie za ile;)
dzieki za sugestie, nie wiedzialem, ze jest konwenter aac do mp3! super, z
pewnoscia mi sie przyda, bo wole kupowac juz w apple store, niz 'uszkodzone' wma.
brak czytnika kart nie przeszkadza, m5 jest wielkosci malego telefonu
komorkowego (troche szerszy tylko od np se t610) i chyba by nie wcisneli tam
czytnika:) kabelek jest ok! archos i iriver sa niestety odrobine przydrogie...
wszystko teraz zalezy jaka bedzie cena m5;)