Rosja: bunt więźniów w łagrze

[2yoo4yoocorne2]

700 000 w lagrach.750 000 w wiezieniach.To poltora miliona.Proporcjonalnie
wiecej niz w cwiercmiliardowych Stanach...

Zaproszenie

[zigzaur]

Zapraszam do dyskusji zaplutych potępiaczy Abu Gharaib i Guantanamo.

O warunkach w Guantanamo więźniowie rosyjskich łagrów mogą tylko marzyć.

[pankasztelan]

No co ty, kto moze zniesc tortury glosnej rockowej muzyki, spanie przy
zapalonym swietle, patrzenie na tylek strazniczki i inne nieludzkie tortury.
Rosyjskie lagry przy tym to wczasy :)

[pankasztelan]

A slyszeliscie, ze do tortur Amerykanie uzywali muzyki Metalliki i jak zespol
sie o tym dowiedzial, to zaczal protestowac, bo dobrze wiedza jaka okrutna
tortura jest sluchanie ich muzyki :)

[kotek.filemon]

> Zapraszam do dyskusji zaplutych potępiaczy Abu Gharaib i Guantanamo.
>
> O warunkach w Guantanamo więźniowie rosyjskich łagrów mogą tylko marzyć.

Twoje zaproszenie było skuteczne. Objawił się dyżurny czekista piterski z
tekstem typu "a u was murzynów biją". Do problemu łagrów sie oczywiście nie
odniósł bo przecież wiadomo, że dziś istnieje tylko jedno państwo łamiące
straszliwie prawa człowieka.

[skipper_]

och mylicie sie bardzo... oni (Amerykanie)
ich ("bojownikow") tam (Guantanamo) bardzo
torturowali, naprawde...

to nie byl rock, ani metal tylko POP!!!

;-)

[pankasztelan]

skipper_ napisał:

> och mylicie sie bardzo... oni (Amerykanie)
> ich ("bojownikow") tam (Guantanamo) bardzo
> torturowali, naprawde...
>
> to nie byl rock, ani metal tylko POP!!!



A jak chcieli dobic do puszczali rap albo hip-hop :)
>
> ;-)

Zaproszenie

[nikola_piterski2]

United States:
U.S. Detentions Undermine the Rule of Law

Two years after opening a detention camp at its naval base at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, the United States continues to ignore international law in its treatment
of the detainees.

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Since January 11, 2002, the U.S. government has sent over seven hundred people
picked up from around the world to Guantanamo. Currently some 660 are in
detention, including an undisclosed number of children. As the detention camp
begins its third year, the public still does not know who the detainees are,
what they have allegedly done, and whether and when they will be charged with
crimes or released. There have been no hearings to determine the legal status
of detainees and no judicial review—in short, no legal process at all.

The Bush Administration asserts that all of its detainees at Guantanamo are
enemy combatants in the war against terrorism and therefore properly detained
until terrorism is vanquished. High-level administration officials have
repeatedly characterized the detainees as the “worst of the worst.” In response
to questions about their fate, President George W. Bush has called the
detainees “bad people” and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has labeled
them “hard core, well-trained terrorists.”

Yet these blanket characterizations stand in sharp contrast to what is known
about at least some of the detainees. At Guantanamo there are three children,
between the ages of thirteen and fifteen, who have been held for about a year.
The military is also jailing an undisclosed number of children aged sixteen and
seventeen who are held in the adult camp, rather than separately as required by
international standards.

Guantanamo may also hold a significant number of civilians. Anti-Taliban forces
in Afghanistan regularly cast a wide net, sweeping up non-combatants, and many
of those they captured were delivered to U.S. officials, and in at least some
cases in exchange for bounty payments. According to several sources, ranging
from interviews with former detainees to press reports citing U.S. officials in
Afghanistan, as many as several dozen detainees sent to Guantanamo were simply
farmers, taxi drivers, and laborers with no meaningful ties to the Taliban or
al-Qaeda—not the enemy combatants the Bush Administration claimed.

Whoever the detainees are—including those implicated in international terrorism—
the United States is obligated to respect their fundamental rights under law.

Guantanamo Bay: Legal Black Hole

The Bush Administration has attempted to turn the forty-eight square miles of
its naval base at Guantanamo Bay into territory beyond the reach of any law and
outside the jurisdiction of any court. In its treatment of the detainees at
Guantanamo, it has been unwilling to fully apply international humanitarian law
(often called the laws of war), has flouted international human rights
standards, and has fought hard to block judicial review by U.S. courts of the
legality of its detentions. It has failed to articulate a clear legal framework
which it applies to the detainees and which acknowledges their human rights and
the government’s obligation to respect them. The administration has instead
selectively invoked those rules of war that it finds helpful in detaining and
interrogating individuals—such as the authority to hold combatants without
charge until the end of hostilities—while ignoring other rules that safeguard
combatants—such as those that require individual determinations of their legal
status. The administration’s unwillingness to respect basic rights and to
provide any legal process has undermined the rule of law and given a green
light to other governments to justify rights violations in the name of counter-
terrorism.

The U.S. refusal to comply with the clear requirements of the 1949 Geneva
Conventions cannot be justified. Under the Third Geneva Convention, persons
captured in the conflict in Afghanistan should have been treated as prisoners
of war unless and until a competent tribunal individually determined that they
are not eligible for prisoner of war (POW) status. The United States has never
before balked at this straightforward requirement. Indeed, in the Persian Gulf
War in 1991, the U.S. government convened 1,196 such tribunals and granted POW
status to 310 detainees. The 886 remaining detainees were determined to be
displaced civilians and treated as refugees.

Instead of complying with international law, U.S. military regulations, and
longstanding U.S. practice, the Bush Administration has made a blanket
determination that all persons held at Guantanamo Bay were “unlawful
combatants” and were not entitled to the protections due prisoners of war or
protected persons under the Geneva Conventions. Had the U.S. military conducted
individualized determinations of status in competent tribunals as required by
the Third Geneva Convention and its own regulations, it would have properly
concluded that the Taliban fighters—as members of the regular armed forces of
the then-government of Afghanistan—and perhaps other combatants were entitled
to POW status. Moreover, it could have appropriately and accurately determined
who was a combatant and who was not, who posed a grave security risk and who
was just a farmer in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The U.S. government has sought to avoid the prohibition in international human
rights law against prolonged, indefinite detention by claiming that terrorist
suspects are combatants in the war against terrorism. Because the laws of war
permit the detention of captured combatants until the end of hostilities, a
vaguely framed war on terror without a clear end means that the detainees could
effectively be held forever. In human terms, prolonged and indefinite detention
can have a devastating psychological impact on detainees. Indeed, thirty-four
suicide attempts have been recorded at Guantanamo to date. One of the former
detainees interviewed by Human Rights Watch in Pakistan confirmed that he had
attempted suicide three times at Guantanamo.

The Bush Administration is claiming far-reaching power to detain anyone in any
corner of the world and to determine alone whether its actions are lawful. Some
of the detainees at Guantanamo were captured far away from the battlefield in
Afghanistan. Six Algerians were apprehended in Bosnia and handed over to U.S.
officials in January 2002, despite a Bosnian high court order to release them,
and sent to Guantanamo. The administration has claimed similar authority in its
detention without charge of terrorist suspects arrested in the United States
and held by the military as enemy combatants. These detentions threaten the
right to liberty and the safeguards that protect against arbitrary detention
without due process of law. In a government of laws and not men, the executive
is not above the law. Wherever the United States exercises effective control
over detainees, it is bound under international human rights standards to
respect their rights, and some form of judicial review should be available to
ensure that the government acts within the bounds of the law.

Legal Critiques: Courts and International Legal Experts

In December 2003, a federal appeals court in San Francisco ruled that U.S.
courts have jurisdiction to hear claims from detainees at Guantanamo, and
affirmed the crucial role that courts play in preventing the executive from
running roughshod over individual rights. While the U.S. Supreme Court will
ultimately resolve this question in June, the appellate c

Zaproszenie

[nikola_piterski2]

Американцы применяют пытки по отношению к заключенным. Об этом рассказал
британский заключенный этой тюрьмы.


Письмо одного из британских заключенных тюрьмы американской военной базы
Гуантанамо доказывает, что надзиратели подвергают узников пыткам. Как сообщает
BBC News, такое заявление сделали адвокаты Моазама Бегга (Moazzam Begg), одного
из четырех граждан Великобритании, содержащихся в тюрьме X-Ray.

По словам юристов, это первое письмо их подзащитного, по неизвестной причине не
подвергшееся цензуре тюремных служб перед отправкой в Великобританию. Послание,
датированное 12 июля 2004 года, адресовано непосредственно британскому
правительству. Копии были разосланы министрам внутренних дел и юстиции.

В письме Бегг рассказывает, что его пытали, угрожали смертью, и, кроме того, с
февраля 2003 года он содержится в одиночном заключении. Он требует немедленного
освобождения, так как в Гуантанамо нарушают все его права и по американским и
по международным законам. По словам заключенного, манера обращения с ним
персонала тюрьмы не поддается никакой логике.

В частности, Бегг пишет, что надзиратели заставляли его, избитым и раздетым,
ходить перед другими камерами. Кроме того, перед отправкой на Кубу на
протяжении года он содержался без света и свежей еды в афганской тюрьме. По его
словам, во время допросов на Кубе его заставляли подписывать при

Zaproszenie

[nikola_piterski2]

28-06-05
Вахитов расскрыл тайны Гуантанамо

Сегодня бывший узник тюрьмы на американской базе Гуантанамо на Кубе, россиянин
Айрат Вахитов объявил, что подает иск на американские власти. Он сообщил, что
на Гаунтанамо заключенных постоянно пытали: систематически приковывали к стене,
не давали спать и молиться, рвали на глазах Коран, сообщает "Эхо Москвы".

Вахитов был передан России в феврале 2004-го года и оказался в Пятигорске, где
после 4-месячного следствия его дело было прекращено. Иск Вахитова уже
официально зарегистрирован в гражданском суде США. Сегодня после 20.00 Вахитов
должен дать интервью в прямом эфире радио "Эхо Москвы".

nikola - jeden ruski siedzi w guantanamo

[roman.nowy]

Amerykanie chcieli go odstawic do Rosji.
Ale powiedzial, ze woli sobie zyly podciac, niz do Matiuszki Rassiji wrocic.

Chyba w tym Lgowie kiedys wczesniej siedzial?

[meerkat1]

Jeden z wiezniow Gitmo napisal do matki w Rosji, by zwrocila sie do Rumsfelda z
prosba o nieodsylanie go na odsiadywanie kary do Rosji. Matka list blagalny
(cytujacy syna) istotnie do szefa Pentagonu napisala. Stad dowiedziala sie o
nim amerykanska prasa.

P.S. NB W artykule pominieto jeden istotny szczegol. Ze lekarze nadajacy
protestujacych wiezniow odkryli rowniez na ich ciele wyrazne slady tortur.
Lgow uchodzi za lagier o lekkim rygorze.

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[nikola_piterski2]

...confidential report just released by the International Committee of the Red
Cross (ICRC). The report confirms that the US military has intentionally used
psychological and sometimes physical coercion "tantamount to torture" on
prisoners at Guantánamo Bay.

The report concludes that the military has developed a system to break the will
of prisoners through "humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature
extremes, use of forced positions….The construction of such a system, whose
stated purpose is the production of intelligence, cannot be considered other
than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form
of torture." (New York Times)

The report further clarifies that “doctors and other medical workers at
Guantánamo were participating in planning for interrogations, in "a flagrant
violation of medical ethics… Doctors and medical personnel conveyed information
about prisoners' mental health and vulnerabilities to interrogators” to assist
in the information-gathering regimen established by the Pentagon. (No one
should be surprised that General Geoffrey Miller, who has been at the center of
the torture scandal, has been quietly removed from duty at Abu Ghraib. The Bush
Administration is trying to anticipate the public reaction to this new wave of
allegations and act accordingly.) The rationale for eschewing the Geneva
Conventions that was developed at the highest levels of the Bush Administration
(and which was identified by the exposing of secret memorandum) can now be more
easily understood by the ICRC report. The activities at Guantanamo Bay prove
beyond a doubt that the administration will not comply with even minimal
standards of decency or humanitarian law...

[lucases]

bo widzisz, drug, roznica miedzy FR a USA jest taka, ze w tych drugich mozna
pisac o takich kwestiach jak oboz w Guantanamo i panstwo nie zamyka gazety i
stacji telewizyjnej za "przewaly podatkowe". to moze tylko jedyna roznica bo i
jedni i drudzy maja sporo na sumieniu. ale to roznica badzo zasadnicza.
a ty ulegasz temu samemu zludzeniu co inteligencja zachodnia w czasach zimnej
wojny.
paka!

[bazyliszek_i_jego_pies]

w tym łagrze w Lgowie musiało być naprawdą źle, skoro nawet nikola pisze nie na
temat...

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[nikola_piterski2]

Skad, mysli Pan, GW sciagnela wiadomosci o krzywdach w rosyjskim "lagru"?
O tym wydarzeniu w "zaleznych od Putina" media i na wszystkich kanalach TW
mowia juz drugi dzien...

[skipper_]

a ciekawe o czym nie mowia...

przypomnij sobie jak bylo np. z Kurskiem...

[fumsia]

Prawdy jak zwykle dowiemy sie w minimalnej ilosci ale za to dlugo kaza i na to
czekac.

jacy wieźniowie, w jakich łagrach, w jakiej Rosji

[ubu66]

wszystko wymysł amerykańskiej propagandy

Rosja to dziki kraj; tak było jest i chyba niestet

[ursynowiak]

niestety pozostanie. Niestety, słabo wypełniliśmy naszą dziejową misję aby
naszych Braci Słowian ucywilizować. Najlepszym czsem na to był okres zaborów,
gdy Polacy pełnili wiele ważnych funkcji w Rosji i gdy byli częścią elit
kulturalnych tego kraju. Rosjanie to naród wykształcony, z zacięciem do nauk
ścisłych (o czym świadczy liczba inżynierów, fizyków, matematyków); niestety
pod względem kultury ten naród jest bardzo zacofany. Jego wielcy synowie w
godzinach wolnych od pracy upijają się wódką stoliczną lub innymi
niebezpiecznymi wynalazkami niszcząc sobie doszczętnie wątroby. W tych oparach
absurdu nasi Bracia dyskutują o podboju świata łudząc się, że do tego zostali
stworzeni. Szkoda, żal

[jankowski1960]

System penitencjarny Rosji zapewne nie nalezy do przodujacych... Nie
demonizowalbym jednak i to tylko dlatego , ze chodzi o Rosje i o to aby
oczerniac naszego poteznego sasiada.