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Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne

10.10.05, 03:57

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wojny przeciwko Iranowi, wiec warto przypomniec sobie jakimi to metodami
posluguje sie jedyna demokracja na BW

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    • zbalansowany Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 10.10.05, 04:33
      judicial-inc.biz/War1_Israel.htm
    • antek_cukierman Gwoli historycznej prawdy zacząć należy od tego... 10.10.05, 05:07
      Soviet delegate Andrei Gromyko told the Security Council, May 29, 1948:

      This is not the first time that the Arab states, which organized the invasion
      of Palestine, have ignored a decision of the Security Council or of the General
      Assembly. The USSR delegation deems it essential that the council should state
      its opinion more clearly and more firmly with regard to this attitude of the
      Arab states toward decisions of the Security Council



      www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/1948_War.html

      1tiny.com/2ZT


      On April 7, 1967, a clash between Israel and Syria broke out along their border
      over cultivation rights (see Golan Heights and Water Wars for more on disputes
      between Israel and its neighbors since the 1948 war). This was followed in May
      by Israeli threats to attack Syria and rumors (false ones planted by the
      Soviets) that Israel was mobilizing to wage an attack. Egypt's President Gamal
      Abdel Nasser felt that the Arabs were too weak to defeat Israel. But, to save
      face in the Arab world, he knew he had to be prepared to help an ally.

      On May 15, Nasser put Egyptian forces on alert. On May 16, he moved troops into
      the Sinai and demanded that the U.N. withdraw its forces from the Sinai. Most
      Western observers and even some Israeli officials conceded that Nasser was
      motivated more by political than military aims: to discourage Israel from
      attacking Syria and to enhance his reputation in the Arab world. Nevertheless,
      on May 17, Israel began to call up its troops.

      On May 22, Nasser blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping, a tried and
      true tactic he had used in the 1956 war. Then on May 30, Jordan's King Hussein
      signed a five year mutual defense pact with Egypt, a development that did not
      soothe the Israelis. Israel at this point initiated a total mobilization and
      prepared for war.


      www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/1967_third_arab.htm

      No i tak dalej..

      • antek_cukierman Dodatkowo 10.10.05, 05:11
        1tiny.com/2ZU
        • zbalansowany Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 10.10.05, 05:22


          On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967,
          we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not
          prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with
          ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982).


          • antek_cukierman Mogę ją tylko 10.10.05, 05:57
            skomentować tym, że Naser był sowiecką marionetką. W tekście wyżej jest o tym
            mowa. Jeśli zaś IL wykorzystał okazję - tym lepiej dla niego, zdecydowanie
            poprawił swoje położenie wojskowo-strategiczne likwidując wąski przesmyk
            miedzy westbankiem a Tel-Avivem w górę do Netanii i Hajfy, a który to przesmyk
            był realną groźbą odcięcia przez Arabów północy IL od reszty kraju.

            "Wracając do naszych baranów" - jak skomentujesz załączona mapę wojny 1948?
            Wszak historia zaczyna dziać się od jakiegoś zdarzenia?
            Uprzedzę odpowiedź - w 1938 roku była pewna panarabska konferencja z dość
            radykalnymi postanowieniami w sprawie planu Peela.

          • dana33 Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 10.10.05, 09:18
            ja kwestionuje. daj link.
            • zbalansowany Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 11.10.05, 03:01
              Znajdz w bibliotece ten nr New York Timesa to bedziesz wiedziec. I tak to
              propagandowe brednie o arabskiej "inwazji" zostaja tym czym sa - przyslowiowym
              zydowskim glupim gadaniem.
              • dana33 Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 11.10.05, 09:12
                nu, zafajdaniec..... co mam szukac, jak tak ladnie zacytowales, to masz
                przeciez pod reka, bo nie tak z pamieci zacytowales begina z 1982 roku, nie?
                wiec daj ten link, niech poczytam co begin powiedzial.... czekam.....
                • zbalansowany Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 13.10.05, 00:51

                  Tu znajdziesz odpowiedz,racz przeczytac, to bardziej interesujace niz wasza
                  szowinistyczna propaganda


                  judicial-inc.biz/War_Israel_1967.htm
                • snajper55 Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 13.10.05, 00:56
                  dana33 napisała:

                  > nu, zafajdaniec..... co mam szukac, jak tak ladnie zacytowales, to masz
                  > przeciez pod reka, bo nie tak z pamieci zacytowales begina z 1982 roku, nie?
                  > wiec daj ten link, niech poczytam co begin powiedzial.... czekam.....

                  Toż on cytował ze źródła, którego nie może podać. ;)))

                  S.
          • moryc_blumental Re: Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ? 21.10.05, 11:43
            zbalansowany napisał:

            >
            >
            > On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967,
            > we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not
            > prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with
            > ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982).


            Mozesz podac link do tej wiadomosci.
            Jesli to jest prawdziwy cytat
        • dana33 Re: Dodatkowo 10.10.05, 09:17
          swietny link, antos..... no i do tego z bbc antysemickiej.... :))))
    • mamzerek Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 11.10.05, 04:39
      rzeczywiscie perfidia iSRAela nie ma granic.
      A procz tego zaatakowali
      Sasiednie kraje arabskie w 1947 roku,
      Synaj po raz pierwszy zagrabili w 1956.
      Hebrom podbili w 1968, a potem jeszcze raz w 1973 zaatakowali egipt i syrie.
      O ataku na
      Liban w 1981 juz wogle nie ma co mowic.
      Etam, jednym zdaniem - co kilka lat nowa agresja!
      • neceser Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 11.10.05, 05:48
        wiem ze ty wolabys by to robili Arabi wobec Izraela. i dlatego polaczkowata
        glowa cie boli i belkoczesz? no coz, nie kazdy tak jak polaczek umie
        systematycznie przegrywac, pacanie.
        • dana33 Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 11.10.05, 09:46
          nuuuuuuu zafajdaniec????? gdzie ten link????? szukasz??? git, poczekam jeszcze
          troszke, tylko go znajdz.....
      • wujcio44 Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 11.10.05, 16:21
        mamzerek napisał:

        > rzeczywiscie perfidia iSRAela nie ma granic.
        > A procz tego zaatakowali
        > Sasiednie kraje arabskie w 1947 roku,
        > Synaj po raz pierwszy zagrabili w 1956.
        > Hebrom podbili w 1968, a potem jeszcze raz w 1973 zaatakowali egipt i syrie.
        > O ataku na
        > Liban w 1981 juz wogle nie ma co mowic.
        > Etam, jednym zdaniem - co kilka lat nowa agresja!


        Nie zapominaj o ataku na Niemcy w 1939.
        • mamzerek Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 14.10.05, 15:25
          wujcio44 napisał:

          > mamzerek napisał:
          >
          > > rzeczywiscie perfidia iSRAela nie ma granic.
          > > A procz tego zaatakowali
          > > Sasiednie kraje arabskie w 1947 roku,
          > > Synaj po raz pierwszy zagrabili w 1956.
          > > Hebrom podbili w 1968, a potem jeszcze raz w 1973 zaatakowali egipt i syr
          > ie.
          > > O ataku na
          > > Liban w 1981 juz wogle nie ma co mowic.
          > > Etam, jednym zdaniem - co kilka lat nowa agresja!
          >
          >
          > Nie zapominaj o ataku na Niemcy w 1939.

          zaden atak na niemcy nie pasuje, bo zepsuje akronim
          • wujcio44 Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 14.10.05, 16:34
            mamzerek napisał:
            > zaden atak na niemcy nie pasuje, bo zepsuje akronim

            Stosunkowo niekiepskie.
    • samsone W taki sam sposob jak Polska w roku 1939 11.10.05, 09:51
      tylko ta roznica jest,ze Polska ja w tym roku przegrala a my z bylymi
      przyjacielami Hitlera zawsze dotychczas wygrywamy.
    • 1ja Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne+ 11.10.05, 16:19
      Zbalansowany panie.
      Znowu przestal pan glowa myslec?
      Dla balansu tym razem-dupskiem?
      • 1ja Re: P.S+ 11.10.05, 16:21
        Czy Polska w 1939 wywolala wojne?
        O glupstwo przeciez poszlo.
        Korytarz.
        Wytlumacz to dla balansu.
        • dana33 zafajdanieeeeeeeeeccccccccc !!!!!!! 11.10.05, 17:16
          gdzie ten link????? ciagle go nie masz????
          hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa........ znow malutka manipulacyjka, nie????
          wiesz dlaczego ty idiota? bo puszczasz takie klamstwo na forum, na ktorym ja
          tylko czycham na takie perelki, zeby wam pokazac, do czego jestescie zdolni,
          zeby "udowodnic" wasze "prawdy"....
          jakbys znal begina, to bys wiedzial, ze on czegos takiego nigdy, nigdy by nie
          powiedzial. to byl dumny zyd, madry, doprowadzil do pierwszego pokoju z
          arabami, znal ich dobrze, byl dumny z israela, z osiagniec tego kraju, z
          wojska, o ktorym wiedzial, ze jest jedna z najlepszych armii na swiecie....

          ujjjj, manipulat ty i klamca, zafajdancu autralijski.....
          • 1ja Re: zafajdanieeeeeeeeeccccccccc !!!!!!!+ 11.10.05, 17:36
            Wybacz,ale dla Begina moglabys zrobic wyjatek.
            To byl Zyd z duzej litery.
            • dana33 Re: zafajdanieeeeeeeeeccccccccc !!!!!!!+ 11.10.05, 20:03
              z najwiekszej. ale nie moge. wyobrazasz sobie, co by sie tu dzialo?????
              • zbalansowany I tutaj 13.10.05, 00:56
                www.cactus48.com/1967war.html
                • arab_z_vancouver Re: I tutaj 20.10.05, 15:55
                  ty smiesz NAM zarzucac kasanie reki , ktora karmi???
                  Oto prosze przyklad, jak wypowieda sie na temat przedstawiciel narodu
                  amerykanskich utrzymankow, niejaki samsone

                  forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=50&w=28572143&a=28587510
                  moze w NO sie zakarze tam
                  tak duzo czarnym mieszkac.
                  Przed Huraganem w NO, juz 10 dni przed jego przyjsciem,ludnosc ostrzegano i
                  dziwnym trafem czesc czarnych policjantow sie do dymisji podala, bo chcieli ich
                  rodzine w bezpieczne miejsce wywiesc i czesc sie do dymisji podala jak tylko
                  rabunki sie zaczely...moze tez chcieli w nich udzial brac.

                  _______________

                  ja wiem,ze to idiota, ale inni z diaspory na ten temat nie pisza , a jak juz
                  rownie idiotyczne posty jak ty.
                  Na temat kasania reki, ktora w trudnych chwilach przygarnela na 800 lat duzo
                  juz na tym forum bylo postow,wiec pozwol, ze tym razem , majac ciekawsze rzeczy
                  na uwadze, niz powszechnie znana zydowska niewdziecznosc, nie bede kontynuowal
                  tego tematu
                  • dana33 Re: I tutaj 20.10.05, 17:43
                    ktos mi napisal, i to nie zyd, wankuwerski, ze jak z polskich podrecznikow
                    sztuki, literatury, filozofii wytniesz zydow to ci zostana białe kartki.....

          • zbalansowany Ano tutaj nieuku 13.10.05, 00:55
            www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312218419/103-5646638-4892635?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance
            • jehudi_chazir Re: Ano tutaj nieuku 21.10.05, 06:33
              More than 300 foreign fighters have been captured in Iraq by U.S.-led troops
              and Iraqi security forces since April and their nationalities include Israeli,
              Irish and British
    • samsone Tak jak zawsze wszelkie wojny od 3000 lat 11.10.05, 20:43
      rozpetal a szczegolnie te w ostatnich 55 latach.

      1. Projekt ONZ, aby w Palestynie Arabsko-Hebrajska federacje stworzyc,
      swietobliwi araby odrzucili, bo sie na obieytnicach administracji USa
      bazowali, administracji ktora im w lutym 1945 roku obiecala , ze na terenie
      palestyny zadne panstwo Israel sie nie odrodzi.
      2. W roku 1948 po resolucji ONZ o odrodzeniu pamstwa Israel, oni bedac
      doskonale uzbrojeni i majac swoich bylych nazistowskich przyjaciol jako
      instruktorow na odrodzone pansteo Israel zbrojnie napadli, Golda meyer za 5
      milionow dollarow w USa zebranych kupila w jeszcze niepodleglej czechoslowacji
      stary sprzet wojenny( pierwsze samoloty, stare ale jare ME 108, pierwszy woz
      bojowy i pierwsza wielolufowa mitrajatricze) i z ta stara bronia Hebreje
      wygonili pod zeby uzbrojonych arabow tam gdzie si9e wielblody maca.
      3. w roku 1956 israel dal sie niepotrzebnie w interesy Anglikow i Francuzow
      wplatac ale tak w ciagu 6 dni Synaj zajal, ale wielki demokrata Nixon
      obiecnice dotrzymal i wymusil wycofanie, co mu pozniej na zdrowie nie wyszlo,
      dwaj zydowscy dziennikarze go do odwrotu zmusili.
      4, w latach 1963-1967 , wielki demokratyczny Zwiazek Radziecki dostarczyl
      arabom nie tylko broni, ale tez wysoko wykwalifikowanych instruktorow,k ilu
      polsko jezycznych sie do niewoli wzielo,. jak zwykle nic im z tego nie wyszlo,
      w ciagu 6 dni normalne lanie dostali
      4. w latach 1968-1972, wysilki wielkiego Zwiazku Rzadzieckiego doprowadzily do
      ataku na Israel, ataku ,ktory dziekujac Arikowi Sharonowi znow sie w ciezka
      arabska kleska przemienil, i iod tej kleski zacaal sie zachod wielkiego
      zwiazku radzieckiego, arabow najwiekszego po Hitlerze sojusznika.
      5. Wielcy wladcy na Kremlu, zaczeli Syrii nowoczesne samoloty dostarczac,
      samoloty ktore Israel w ciagu dwoch tygodni do Allaha razem z pilotami poslal.
      6. Zwiazek radzuiiecki tak jak nazism zniknal i razem z nim automatyczne
      antyisraelskie resolucje.
      Pytanie jest, jak moga te nowe rakiety tym zarozumialym arabskim medrcom
      pomoc, moga im pomoc droge powrotna z Libany do Syrii znalesc.
    • genom3 dokładnie tak samo jak Kociniak w słynnym filmie:) 11.10.05, 22:17
      • zbalansowany I mam dosc czytania twoich nonsensow, ze 13.10.05, 00:59
        wojne 1967 roku zaczeli Arabowie, to propagandowa hutzpa obliczona na nieukow i
        oastjuden z Polski i bylego ZSSR - czas przejrzec na oczy.
        • bam_buko Re: I mam dosc czytania twoich nonsensow, ze 13.10.05, 01:05
          zbalansowany napisał:

          > wojne 1967 roku zaczeli Arabowie, to propagandowa hutzpa obliczona na nieukow
          i
          >
          > oastjuden z Polski i bylego ZSSR - czas przejrzec na oczy.

          nowe pokolenie w eretz uczy sie ze to Arabowie rozpoczeli wojne 67r
          podobnie naucza sie o polskich obozach koncentracyjnych
          to drugie w ramach rozwijania "przyjazni" Polsko-Izraelskiej a jednoczesnie
          eliminacj antysemityzmu wsrod Polakow
        • polarab_polpolak Pewnie ze ja w roku 1967 chcielismy zaczac 13.10.05, 09:48
          poprosilismy juz o wycoìfanie inspektorow ONZ i oni siew wycofani, przymierze do
          ataku juz z naszymi arabskimi bracmi zawrzelismy, ale te hebrajskie p-y nas
          wyprzedzili, mysmy chcieli ich w Jon Kipur zaatakowac....
    • urtic Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 13.10.05, 00:57
      a co im tam Syria czy Egipt? oni chca wladac swiatem? Nawet nasz spolszczony
      zyd sie wybiera usiasc na tron przywodcy ONZ, wydaje sie ze juz sa blisko celu
      swoich dazen.
      • zbalansowany i jeszcze jeden link, gdyby bylo ci malo 13.10.05, 01:00
        envirosagainstwar.org/edit/index.php?op=view&itemid=1507
        • zbalansowany A jak nie lubisz Begina, to masz Rabina 13.10.05, 01:03
          www.cactus48.com/1967war.html
    • polani Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 13.10.05, 01:16
      Zablo
      ale to byl blitzkrieg z 8 godzin zniszylismy arabskie lotnistwo, zostalo bez
      skrzydla,oni czekali na naszych pilotow(weilu z polskiego pochodzenia) w siniau
      i my przyslismy z morza;)))
      polacy mowili nasze zydy byli sowjeckie araby, zrobilsimy z sowjecka bron zlam !
      potem z 12 lat zbankrotowal caly pakt wa-waki
      General Szaron walil arbstwo w Um Ktaef na Sinaiu
      Fredzio byl zaziebiony w szpitalu kiedy jordanczycy Natanie bombardowali i na
      moja szkole grnaty strzelali

      szkoda ze nie wypedzilismy arabstwo a la Wisla opercaja II

      Potem wasz Gomulka stracil nerwy bo bilsmy jego arabskiego przyjaciele
      i wszytkich asymilowanych jwrejow wypedzil z swojmy sziksami do Erec Israel :)))



      • zbalansowany No nie wiem czy wszystkich 13.10.05, 01:24
        asymilowanych Jewrejow wyrzucil. zony, szwagierki, Urbana, Michnika,
        Borowskiego i wielu wielu innych zostawil.
        • polani Re: No nie wiem czy wszystkich 13.10.05, 01:27
          unas byla w Natani Cala Kaminica polek dzisja nawet nie zlatwjaj sie na polske
          ojczyzne !
          polcy kochali komune byli bloki kolejki praca i zaden nie pracowal
          co kurde szukasz w australi wroc do polki ja wybudowac
          • zbalansowany To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:31
            Jaka "kamienica Polek" ?
            W Natanii ?
            Skad sie one tam wziely ?
            • polani Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:34
              z cal rodzina tez w Holon Kiriat Szaret
              zapitaj sie nawet twoja zydowska q..we co posipja z antysemita jak ty
              • zbalansowany Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:36
                Fredziu, moja "Ryfka" cie lubi, nawet pytala sie ostatnio o ciebie, a ty tak
                brzydko ja nazywasz - wstydz sie !!!
                • polani Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:39
                  mam ja w du..pe
                  no to kiedy wrcisz do polski i odasz swoj Dom auborginaly ?
                  • zbalansowany Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:42
                    Auboriginaly nie chca mojego domu, tylko moich pieniedzy.
                    Do Polski moze wroce, kto wie, ale to po tym jak z niej ostatni Urban wyjedzie.
                    I wtedy bedzie czas zeby te chodniki Fredziu naprawic.
                    • polani Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 01:45
                      te pare zydow asymilowanych w polsce nie groza ciebie nawet masz jwrejske q...we
                      oddaj im twoje pieniondze a w polsce otworz salo fryzierski wasze niemcy lubja
                      polakow i polek
                    • i-love-2-bike Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 02:18
                      zbalansowany napisał:

                      > Auboriginaly nie chca mojego domu, tylko moich pieniedzy.
                      > Do Polski moze wroce, kto wie, ale to po tym jak z niej ostatni Urban
                      wyjedzie.
                      > I wtedy bedzie czas zeby te chodniki Fredziu naprawic.

                      w warszawie chodniki proste,to fredziu ma garbate stopy i jest slepawy,dlatego
                      ciagle cos mu przeszkadza.
                      • zbalansowany Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 03:00
                        Pewnie za bardzo sie oglada za Poleczkami, to sie i w pejsy zaplatuje.
                        • i-love-2-bike Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 03:03
                          zbalansowany napisał:

                          > Pewnie za bardzo sie oglada za Poleczkami, to sie i w pejsy zaplatuje.

                          a one pewnie trzepia go po lepetynie,to sie potyka nieboze,bo nigdy
                          wysportowany nie byl.
                          • zbalansowany Re: To jakas nowa historia 13.10.05, 09:23
                            Nie zapominaj ze Fredek ma 195 cm wzrostu, to nie kazda go moze poklepac. Chyba
                            ze wlasnie wystosunkowal sie na krzywych plytach chodnikowych.
                            • polani Re: To jakas nowa historia 14.10.05, 05:00
                              nie martw sie wa/wa smierdzi arabczkami na marszalkowska chodza polki z
                              muzelmanskich szmaty na glowy i szlafroki
                              tfuj
                        • 1ja Re: To jakas nowa historia+ 13.10.05, 12:36
                          Balansowany!
                          Jak uzgodnilismy-jestes zbalansowany,bo raz myslisz glowa,a raz d.pa.
                          Pytanie wiec:
                          Pejsy twoje sa blizej lepetyny,czy d..y?
                          • dana33 do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 13.10.05, 21:01
                            nu, co to za kretynskie linki, ktore mi tu dales???
                            amazon pisze "Book Description

                            This study demonstrates that the Six Day War, which transformed the Middle
                            East, split the left and gave birth to Neo-conservatism, was an unintended
                            consequence of the Vietnam War. In 1967 Moscow created a Middle Eastern crisis
                            in response to Washington's escalation in Vietnam. America's Asian focus had
                            left her Atlantic vulnerable to Soviet penetration. Israel refused to plant her
                            flag in Saigon, American rabbis led the peace movement and the President
                            threatened to withdraw his support from Israel. The Palestinians embarked on a
                            Vietnamism-inspired "people's war," and Moscow interpreted Israeli retaliation
                            as support for US policy in Vietnam. This Six Day War turned Israel into a
                            Soviet nuclear target and transformed some liberals into Neo-conservatives."

                            a to twoje twierdzenie ze arabowie niby nie chcieli wojny jest na tej samej
                            stronie potwierdzone przez jakiegos faceta, o ktorym nikt nie slyszal
                            "In fact, Likkud PM Menachim Begin and Air Force General Ezer Weitzman
                            themselves admit that there was no credible threat from the Arabs, and that it
                            was a purely-discretionary war on the part of the Israelis to expand their
                            territory. Weitzman said there was "no threat of destruction" and that the
                            attack was carried out so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit,
                            and quality she now embodies." Begin said "In June 1967, we again had a choice.
                            The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that
                            Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We
                            decided to attack him."

                            a potem co mi dajesz? noam chomsky???? tys upadl na glowe, zafajdaniec....
                            i ta strona cactus.48..... cytacik z pierwszych linijek... "If you care about
                            truth, and not just what you've been told all your life, then you may come to
                            believe, as we have, that one of the greatest injustices the world has ever
                            known has been done to the Palestinian people."

                            daj mi ten link do tego twojego cytatu:
                            "On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967,
                            we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not
                            prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with
                            ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982). "

                            czyli new york times, august 21, 1982. jak zacytowales i jest nazwa gazety i
                            data, to przeciez masz link, nie? nie masz?



                            • komandos7 Dana33 ty to chyba mialas rodzine w Auschwitz!!! 13.10.05, 22:11
                              Wszyscy stali na wierzach strazniczych.
                              Roznica byla taka ze za rewolucji mieli czerwone gwiazdy a
                              w Auschwitz... dawidowe.
                              • dana33 Re: Dana33 ty to chyba mialas rodzine w Auschwitz 13.10.05, 22:18
                                wiesz komandos, probujesz dokopac, ale robisz to dosc nieudolnie.... zdecyduj
                                sie, czy stali na wiezach strazniczych (naucz sie pisac po polsku, bo wieza
                                pisze sie przez z a nie przez rz) czy mieli gwiazde dawida. bo i to i to, to nie
                                szlo.
                                kretynek.
                            • zbalansowany do Dany 14.10.05, 05:22
                              czyli new york times, august 21, 1982. jak zacytowales i jest nazwa gazety i
                              data, to przeciez masz link, nie? nie masz?


                              Nie sadze zeby wydanie NYT z 82 r bylo na internecie.
                              Masz gazete (zreszta wasza), masz date, idz do biblioteki i jej poszukaj.
                              Nie sadzisz chyba ze ja to zrobie i przesle ci w paczce ?!
                              • polani Re: do Dany 14.10.05, 05:28
                                zablo w 67 wy polacy popierowaliscie arabstwo tak samo jak dzisaj
                                jestescie zawsze na jwerejow zasdrosni
                                nie ma nas w polsce i macue pretesi nie umicie gospodarowac rzadzic
                                tylko krasc klamac przesto supermarkety w polsce maja ochrone
                                • dan34bratdany33 Re: do Dany 14.10.05, 05:52
                                  polani napisał:

                                  > zablo w 67 wy polacy popierowaliscie arabstwo tak samo jak dzisaj
                                  > jestescie zawsze na jwerejow zasdrosni
                                  > nie ma nas w polsce i macue pretesi nie umicie gospodarowac rzadzic
                                  > tylko krasc klamac przesto supermarkety w polsce maja ochrone

                                  polani nie wywoluj wilka z lasu bo goje napisza ze masze sluzby wojskowe
                                  zagladaja do toreb kazdym klientom co chca do molla wejsc.
                                  • polani Re: do Dany 14.10.05, 05:59
                                    ale umich w malu kradna
                                    pol polska pracuje i inna polowa kradnie
                                • zbalansowany Fredzio 14.10.05, 06:21
                                  Kto popieowal Arabstwo?
                                  Mieszkalem wtedy w Polsce i wiem ze nikt ani wami ani Arabami sie nie
                                  przejmowal. Owszem Sowiety i dawne ich kolonie ( w tym Polska) popierowali
                                  Arabow, ale dla normalnego Polaka to ta wojna mogla byc nawet na ksiezycu.
                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 14.10.05, 06:24
                                    wy polacy poslaliscie arba bron amunicje instruktore UBekow zywnosc zadarma,
                                    i potem rozriwalscie stosunki diplomatyczne az do 89 rocku
                                    • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 14.10.05, 06:32
                                      Fredzio w poznych latach 40 i na poczatku 50 tysiace Zydow przeszlo w Polsce
                                      cwiczenia wojskowe przed wyjazdem do Erzatza - skoncz bzdurzyc.
                                      • polani Re: Fredzio 14.10.05, 07:02
                                        In May 1967, Egyptian President Gamal 'Abd al-Nasser expelled the United
                                        Nations forces which had been stationed in the Gaza Strip since 1957, stationed
                                        large concentrations of the Egyptian Army in Sinai along the border with
                                        Israel, and once again blockaded the Israeli port of Eilat. Egypt's moves were
                                        coordinated with and supported by Jordan and Syria. By the beginning of June,
                                        it became apparent to Israel that the international community would not act to
                                        lift the blockade or restore the UN forces. Accordingly, Israel resolved to
                                        defend itself with a pre-emptive strike against the Arab armies.

                                        When the Israel Air Force estimated that it could destroy the large Egyptian
                                        Air Force within six hours, the claim was considered exaggerated. However, the
                                        air strike which opened the direct hostilities of the Six Day War had been
                                        simulated repeatedly, and was aided by excellent intelligence. The entire IAF
                                        was engaged in the operation, except for twelve Mirage fighters assigned to
                                        defend Israel's air space. The strike was timed for 7:45, when the Egyptian
                                        pilots who flew the early morning patrols would be back at their bases for
                                        breakfast. At 7:14 the first wave of Israeli planes took off; 183 in all.
                                        Thirty-one minutes later they were over their targets. Eleven airports were
                                        attacked and 197 planes destroyed (eight in aerial combat), together with radar
                                        stations and other supporting facilities. The second wave took off at 9:34, and
                                        attacked sixteen airports and radar installations. At 12:45, the third wave
                                        began, targeting the Jordanian Air Force, which was totally destroyed, and the
                                        Syrian Air Force, half of which was destroyed, with the rest making for distant
                                        air bases. One airfield in Iraq was also attacked. In the evening the southern
                                        Egyptian air base at Ras Banas was hit.

                                        At the conclusion of the first day of fighting, the IAF had destroyed 70
                                        percent of the enemy's air power. About 10 percent of the attacking planes had
                                        been hit by ground fire. On the second day of the war, the IAF again struck at
                                        Iraq, destroying eleven planes, while another eleven Egyptian planes were
                                        downed in aerial combat. The following day an Iraqi air base was again
                                        attacked, with each side losing three planes in the ensuing air battle. On the
                                        fourth day of the war, nine more Egyptian planes were downed.

                                        Half an hour after the first IAF wave attacked Egypt on June 5, ground forces
                                        crossed the border into Sinai. Within twenty-eight hours, they had destroyed
                                        the Egyptian Army's 7th Division and the northern half of its 2nd Division. The
                                        second phase of the land war began the following day, when the remaining
                                        Egyptian forces in Sinai were defeated or surrounded within a further twenty-
                                        four hour period. The Gaza Strip was occupied, and the Straits of Tiran, whose
                                        closure had been one of the causes of the war, were opened in an operation
                                        commanded directly by the General Staff. On the night of June 8-9, the IDF had
                                        taken up positions along the eastern bank of the Suez Canal when a cease-fire
                                        came into effect. Some 15,000 Egyptians died in the fighting, and almost 4,500
                                        were taken prisoner. More than 625 Egyptian tanks were left in Sinai, 200 of
                                        them usable, as well as 750 artillery pieces and more than 2,500 trucks and
                                        personnel carriers. The IDF Southern Command lost 338 soldiers, sixty-three
                                        tanks were destroyed, and a further sixty-nine were damaged.

                                        Jordanian Front

                                        Fighting on the eastern front began when Jordanian forces opened sporadic
                                        artillery fire at various points, and seized UN headquarters in southeast
                                        Jerusalem. On the morning of June 6, the IDF Northern Command occupied areas
                                        around Jenin, the Dotan Valley and the eastern slopes of Mt. Gilboa. East
                                        Jerusalem and Nablus were taken within twenty-five hours. The third stage of
                                        fighting on this front, the descent to the Jordan Valley and the conquest of
                                        the Hebron Hills, began in the afternoon of June 7 and took another twenty-four
                                        hours. In the course of the fighting, the Jordanian Army lost most of its heavy
                                        equipment. Eight hundred Jordanian soldiers fell in action, and 636 were taken
                                        prisoner. Thousands of Jordanian soldiers deserted to their home villages in
                                        Judea and Samaria.

                                        War Against Syria

                                        On the morning of June 9, two brigades of the IDF Northern Command broke
                                        through Syrian defenses on the Golan Heights. After seven hours of fighting,
                                        they had established two strongholds in the northern and central sectors. These
                                        were expanded during the night. The main fighting resumed on the morning of
                                        June 10, when two Israeli motorized brigades joined the battle. Within a few
                                        hours, Syrian defenses collapsed and the bulk of the Syrian forces withdrew
                                        eastward without engaging the IDF. The collapse of the Golan defenses was aided
                                        when Radio Damascus announced the fall of Kuneitra, the largest town on the
                                        Heights, six hours before the IDF arrived there. The Syrians put up a better
                                        defense in the southern sector of the Golan, but finally withdrew in the course
                                        of June 10. Syrian units took up defensive positions along the southern
                                        approaches to Damascus, but the Israeli government ordered the IDF to stop its
                                        advance. At 18:00 on June 10, a cease-fire came into effect.

                                        www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=5&docid=15919&Pos=18&last=0&bScope=False
                                        • polani Re: Fredzio 14.10.05, 07:03
                                          Introduction

                                          The Six Day War broke out on June 5, 1967, following three weeks of tension
                                          which began on May 15, 1967 when it became known that Egypt had concentrated
                                          large-scale forces in the Sinai peninsula. Egypt's force buildup in the Sinai
                                          was accompanied by other serious steps: the United Nations Emergency Force
                                          stationed on the border between Egypt and Israel and Sharm el-Sheikh in 1957
                                          and which had provided an actual separation between the countries was evacuated
                                          on May 19 upon the demands of the Egyptian president at the time, Gamal Abdel-
                                          Nasser; the Egyptian navy blocked the Straits of Tiran, located at the end of
                                          the Gulf of Eilat, on the night of May 22-23, 1967, preventing the passage of
                                          any Israeli vessels; and on May 30, 1967, Jordan joined the Egyptian-Syrian
                                          military alliance of 1966 and placed its army on both sides of the Jordan river
                                          under Egyptian command. Iraq followed suit. It agreed to send reinforcement and
                                          issued a warning order to two brigades: Contingents arrived from other Arab
                                          countries including Algeria and Kuwait. Israel was confronted by an Arab force
                                          of some 465,000 troops, over 2,880 tanks and 810 aircraft.

                                          In this way, a direct threat along the whole length of Israel's territory was
                                          created. The Egyptian Army was deployed in the Sinai, the straits were closed
                                          signaling the failure of Israeli deterrence, and Jordan joined the military
                                          alliance closing the circle of the states threatening Israel?s borders. As the
                                          situation deteriorated, Israel increased its reserve forces call-up which had
                                          already been underway and established a National Unity government which
                                          included representatives of the opposition parties at that time. Moshe Dayan
                                          was appointed Minister of Defense. Though the Government of Israel viewed the
                                          closing of the straits as a belligerent act and a warning bell, the government
                                          tried to solve the crisis through political channels. The government of Israel
                                          approached the Great Powers who had guaranteed the freedom of Israeli
                                          navigation. Britain and France reneged on their commitment and the President of
                                          the United States proposed a plan for breaking the blockade by an international
                                          armada. Israel agreed to wait and give the plan a chance and Prime Minister
                                          Eshkol announced his Government?s intentions in a radio broadcast on 28 May.
                                          Israel?s decision to wait was taken despite the fact that it was well aware
                                          that the main threat had now become the Egyptian deployment in the Sinai and
                                          not the closing of the straits. When it became clear later that the political
                                          demarches had failed, the Government, on June 4 gave approval to the Israel
                                          Defense Forces to undertake military offensive to eliminate the threat to
                                          Israel?s existence.

                                          This dramatic development was the height of continued deterioration in the
                                          relations between Israel and her neighbors. The state of war that had existed
                                          since 1948 was already intensified between 1964-67 with the increase in the
                                          number of dangerous incidents on the Syrian border following Israel?s
                                          activation of the National Water Carrier from the Sea of Galilee to the Negev
                                          in 1964. This tension came against the backdrop of Syrian attacks on Israeli
                                          farmers cultivating land in the demilitarized zone and on Israeli fishing boats
                                          and other craft in the Sea of Galilee. The Arabs opposed the National Water
                                          Carrier project and tried to destroy it by diverting the subsidiaries of the
                                          Jordan river located in their territories. In addition, at the start of 1965
                                          Palestinian terrorist organizations, under the patronage of both Syria and
                                          Egypt, began to operate against Israeli settlements. Their attacks led to
                                          Israeli military reprisals against their bases located in neighboring
                                          countries. The Arabs were strengthened in their stand by the consistent support
                                          of the USSR, through both the supply of weapons and military advisers and
                                          through political support in the framework of the cold war between the East and
                                          West. It was the Soviets who spread the false report in 1967 that Israel had
                                          concentrated large forces on the border with Syria in preparation to attack,
                                          after the Syrians had already "heated up" the border area. This fraudulent
                                          report was the declared reason for the concentration of Egyptian forces in
                                          Sinai, in confirmation with the military alliance between Egypt and Syria. This
                                          concentration of forces gradually led the Arabs to believe that an opportunity
                                          had been created to realize their 19-year aspiration to destroy Israel. In the
                                          light of this development, Israel had no choice but to preempt.





                                          The War in the Air

                                          The Six-Day War started with a far-reaching air attack, code named ?Moked?, to
                                          shatter the Arab air forces while their aircraft were still on the ground. The
                                          attack was planned even before General Mordechai (Moti) Hod, had been appointed
                                          Air Force Commander. The main element of the plan was to carry out a massive,
                                          simultaneous attack of Israeli first-line aircraft against all Egyptian air
                                          force bases - the main Arab air force. This required exact and detailed
                                          planning of departure times and approaches of each of the attacking forces, in
                                          order to ensure the element of surprise on every target. On the morning of June
                                          5, the aircraft of the IAF took off from their bases and attacked Egyptian air
                                          force bases in Sinai and Egypt. During the first wave, eleven fields were hit
                                          (among them some that had also been attacked in the first wave).

                                          In a short, efficient and decisive blow, approximately 300 Egyptian aircraft,
                                          including bombers, combat planes and helicopters, were destroyed in less than 2
                                          hours. The main air threat against Israel was eliminated and the Israel Defense
                                          Forces achieved air supremacy when Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi aircraft
                                          attacked targets in Israel. Once it was clear that King Hussein, the Jordanian
                                          leader, had chosen to undertake a military campaign on the Jerusalem front, the
                                          Israel Air Force turned to the Jordanian airfields in Amman and Mafrak and
                                          destroyed a large part of the Jordanian Air Force. When the confrontation was
                                          further extended on the same day over Syria and Iraq, Israeli aircraft
                                          continued their combat against these countries and also destroyed their
                                          aircraft. Airfields attacked in Syria included Damascus, Damir and Seikel. In
                                          Iraq, the H-3 airfield in the vicinity of the Jordanian border was attacked.
                                          Before the end of the first day of fighting, the air forces of the
                                          participating Arab states had been destroyed, thereby determining the fate of
                                          the entire war. Israeli armored forces could then fight the battle under ?clear
                                          skies?, and air force pilots were free to provide support to IDF ground forces
                                          in all the sectors, the breakthrough and transportation axes without leaving
                                          the rear of the State of Israel in danger of air attack. Israel Air Force
                                          losses in the fateful day of the battle were a total of 20 aircraft. Twelve
                                          pilots were killed, five were wounded and four captured.



                                          The Egyptian Front

                                          The main effort of Israeli armor was directed toward the Egyptian forces
                                          deployed in fortifications in the eastern parts of the Sinai and in the Gaza
                                          Strip, which consisted of 7 divisions with a total of about 100,000 soldiers,
                                          approximately 1,000 tanks and hundreds of artillery pieces. The Israel Defense
                                          Forces went against this disposition with a force of three divisions composed
                                          of armored, infantry and paratrooper brigades, as well as an independent
                                          mechanized brigade and an independent infantry brigade reinforced with
                                          paratroopers and armor. The fighting lasted four days, in a single, continuous
                                          momentum. Aware of the fact that the war could well last only a few days and
                                          that it was imperative to achieve a rapid victory, the IDF concentrated all of
                                          its armored strength in order to break through the Egyptian d
                                          • zbalansowany Tego powinniscie uczyc w Izraelu 14.10.05, 10:04
                                            The 1967 War and the
                                            Israeli Occupation of the
                                            West Bank and Gaza


                                            Did the Egyptians actually start the 1967 war, as Israel originally claimed?

                                            "The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a
                                            hawk, stated that there was 'no threat of destruction' but that the attack on
                                            Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could 'exist
                                            according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.'...Menahem Begin had
                                            the following remarks to make: 'In June 1967, we again had a choice. The
                                            Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser
                                            was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to
                                            attack him.' "Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

                                            Was the 1967 war defenisve? - continued

                                            "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would
                                            not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew
                                            it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

                                            Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights

                                            "Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave
                                            the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians
                                            were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the
                                            Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the
                                            farmland...[Dayan stated] 'They didn't even try to hide their greed for the
                                            land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do
                                            anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would
                                            start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance
                                            further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.

                                            And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it
                                            was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The
                                            New York Times, May 11, 1997

                                            The history of Israeli expansionism

                                            "The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one
                                            does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in
                                            the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the
                                            concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit
                                            them." David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful
                                            Triangle."

                                            Expansionism - continued

                                            "The main danger which Israel, as a 'Jewish state', poses to its own people, to
                                            other Jews and to its neighbors, is its ideologically motivated pursuit of
                                            territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this
                                            aim...No zionist politician has ever repudiated Ben-Gurion's idea that Israeli
                                            policies must be based (within the limits of practical considerations) on the
                                            restoration of Biblical borders as the borders of the Jewish state." Israeli
                                            professor, Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000
                                            Years."

                                            Expansionism - continued

                                            In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt
                                            from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see
                                            the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its
                                            morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it
                                            must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-
                                            and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab
                                            countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our
                                            space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."

                                            But wasn't the occupation of Arab lands necessary to protect Israel's security?

                                            "Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee
                                            Israel's security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if
                                            necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN
                                            Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet
                                            Union - then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs - into
                                            compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza
                                            Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force.
                                            Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest
                                            would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.

                                            "The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal,
                                            however, was flatly rejected by Israel. 'The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,'
                                            writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. 'The Israelis were not even willing to
                                            act in their own self-interest.'" Allan Brownfield in "Issues of the American
                                            Council for Judaism." Fall 1997.[Ed.-This was one of many such proposals]

                                            What happened after the 1967 war ended?

                                            "In violation of international law, Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of
                                            the land in the West Bank and 30 percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or
                                            for settlement by Jewish civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel's military
                                            government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this
                                            period, more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various
                                            periods by Israeli security forces." Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against
                                            Israeli Occupation," ed. Lockman and Beinin.

                                            World opinion on the legality of Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza.

                                            "Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even
                                            by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel's
                                            occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel's action was
                                            defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The [UN]
                                            General Assembly characterized Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as
                                            a denial of self determination and hence a 'serious and increasing threat to
                                            international peace and security.' " John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A
                                            Challenge to Justice."

                                            Examples of the effects of Israeli occupation

                                            "A study of students at Bethlehem University reported by the Coordinating
                                            Committee of International NGOs in Jerusalem showed that many families
                                            frequently go five days a week without running water...The study goes further
                                            to report that, 'water quotas restrict usage by Palestinians living in the West
                                            Bank and Gaza, while Israeli settlers have almost unlimited amounts.'

                                            "A summer trip to a Jewish settlement on the edge of the Judean desert less
                                            than five miles from Bethlehem confirmed this water inequity for us. While
                                            Bethlehemites were buying water from tank trucks at highly inflated rates, the
                                            lawns were green in the settlement. Sprinklers were going at mid day in the hot
                                            August sunshine. Sounds of children swimming in the outdoor pool added to the
                                            unreality." Betty Jane Bailey, in "The Link", December 1996.

                                            Israeli occupation - continued

                                            "You have to remember that 90 percent of children two years old or more have
                                            experienced - some many, many times - the [Israeli] army breaking into the
                                            home, beating relatives, destroying things. Many were beaten themselves, had
                                            bones broken, were shot, tear gassed, or had these things happen to siblings
                                            and neighbors...The emotional aspect of the child is affected by the [lack of]
                                            security. He needs to feel safe. We see the consequences later if he does not.
                                            In our research, we have found that children who are exposed to trauma tend to
                                            be more extreme in their behaviors and, later, in their political beliefs." Dr
                                            Samir Quota, director of research for the Gaza Community Mental Health
                                            Programme, quoted in "The Journal of Palestine Studies," Summer 1996, p.84

                                            Israeli occupation - continued

                                            "There is nothing quite like the misery one feels listening to a 35-year-old
                                            [Palestinian] man who worked fifteen years as an illegal day laborer in Israel
                                            in orde
                                            • zbalansowany A to specjalnie dla Dany 14.10.05, 10:17

                                              z duza iloscia linkow:

                                              www.amaam.org/SR129/1967War.html
                                              • zbalansowany Re: A to specjalnie dla Dany 14.10.05, 10:20

                                                Dayan: "This is bulshit", opublikowane UWAZAJ !!, w twoim ulubionym Yebiot
                                                Idiot; no chyba do tego dziennika nie kazesz mi szukac bezposrednich linkow.

                                                www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/022.html
                                                • dana33 do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 14.10.05, 16:08
                                                  te linki, ktore mi podajesz, to smiechu warte, zafajdaniec.... poogladalam
                                                  sobie ten pierwszy: www.amaam.org/SR129/1967War.html posmialam sie po
                                                  raz pierwszy, potem go skrocilam, zeby sprawdzic strone: www.amaam.org
                                                  nu, posmialam sie jeszcze bardziej.... poniewaz zdyskredytowalam ci rense to
                                                  teraz znalazles sobie amaam..... ty bardziej glupi niz myslalam, zafajdaniec,
                                                  jak ciagle od nowa probujesz te antysemickie albo faszystowskie strony.

                                                  oprocz tego, kewstionowalam twoj cytat begina. jesli nie zrozumiales, to
                                                  powtarzam. zacytowales, dales na koncu nazwe gazety i date. prosilam ci o link
                                                  do tego cytatu z tej gazety. a ty sie ty wykrecasz, dajesz wszelkie mozliwe
                                                  idiotyczne linki, ale nie do tego co zakwestionowalam. tak ze nic nie
                                                  odszczekuje. dalej twierdze, ze klamiesz i krecisz i manipulujesz.

                                                  Kwestionujesz te wypowiedz ?
                                                  zbalansowany 10.10.05, 05:22 + odpowiedz

                                                  On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967,
                                                  we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not
                                                  prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with
                                                  ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982).

                                                  a co do reszty tych twierdzen, ze israel w 67 zaatakowal, bo chcial "zagrabic"
                                                  ziemie, to takich bzdur juz dawno nie slyszalam. zwykle oczernianie, klamstwa i
                                                  manipulacje antysemickie. spadaj, kretynie, bos przekroczyl juz wszelkie
                                                  granice.
                                                  • polani Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 14.10.05, 19:42
                                                    arabstwo w 67 zablokowali nam dostep do czerwongeo morza do Portu Eilat
                                                    to nie byla agresja tylko pokoj arabski fajdaczku na opca ziemie ohradzone od
                                                    auborginaly?
                                                  • oregon_state pajac z oregonu podszywa sie? 14.10.05, 19:46
                                                    polani napisał:
                                                    > arabstwo w 67 zablokowali nam dostep do czerwongeo morza do Portu Eilat
                                                    > to nie byla agresja tylko pokoj arabski fajdaczku na opca ziemie ohradzone
                                                    od
                                                    > auborginaly?
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 15.10.05, 02:52

                                                    Dana naskrobala:

                                                    a co do reszty tych twierdzen, ze israel w 67 zaatakowal, bo chcial "zagrabic"
                                                    > ziemie, to takich bzdur juz dawno nie slyszalam. zwykle oczernianie, klamstwa
                                                    i

                                                    > manipulacje antysemickie.


                                                    Przeciez to wypowiedz DAJANA !!!!!!! garkotluku, to DAJAN TAK POWIEDZIAL !!!

                                                    Czy DAJAN byl ANTYSEMITA ???!!!!





                                                    And what has led Israel to provoke Syria? According to Dayan, this was the
                                                    greediness for the land - the idea that it is possible to grab a piece of land
                                                    and keep it, until the enemy will get tired and give it to us. The Syrian land
                                                    was, as he says, particularly tempting, since, unlike Gaza and the West bank it
                                                    was not heavily populated.

                                                    The 67 war has brought the big chance to grab the land, and along with the
                                                    land, the water of the of the Jordan Riverheads.


                                                    A co do wypowiedzi Begina w NYT, to wtedy jezeli internet istnial ( nie wiem ),
                                                    to byl w powijakach i wydanie NYT z tego roku w internecie NIE ISTNIEJE !!!
                                                    Natomiast to czy Begin tak sie wypowiedzial czy nie mozna sprawdzic w kazdej
                                                    uczciwej bibliotece ktora posiada roczniki NYT.
                                                    Jezeli na Google wpiszesz te wypowiedz Begina, to znajdziesz conajmniej
                                                    KILKANASCIE watkow internetowych na ktorych te wypowiedz zacytowano.
                                                    Naucz sie wreszcie odrozniac ordynarna prymitywna propagande od prawdy.
                                                  • polani Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 15.10.05, 06:39
                                                    zostaw naszego General Dajana nawet wasz General Andersw 67 jo gratolowal z
                                                    blitzkrieg na sowjeckich arabow i ich prlskie spolniki
                                                  • dana33 Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 15.10.05, 11:53
                                                    nauczylam sie, zafajdancu. dlatego wiem, ze rzucasz tutaj ordynarna, prymitywna
                                                    propagande antysemicka. i dlatego powtarzam jeszcze raz, ze ten "cytat" begina
                                                    splodzila twoja chora wyobraznia i dopisac nazwe gazety i date moze kazdy
                                                    gowniarz.
                                                    przestaje ci odpowiadac na tym watku, bo nie mogac nic udowodnic, po raz nie
                                                    wiem juz ktory stwierdzam, zes klamca, kretacz i manipulant.
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 17.10.05, 02:46
                                                    A ty jestes kompletna ignorantka, otumaniona do reszty wasza prymitywna
                                                    klamliwa propaganda, ktorej nawet jak pokaze sie wypowiedzi glownych
                                                    uczestnikow historycznych wydarzen (i ti waszych, nie Arabow), to dalej bedzie
                                                    twierdzic ze tak nie bylo.

                                                    Przypomnial mi sie a propos dowcip:

                                                    Dwaj faceci z Baaardzo, ale to baaardzo glebokiej prowincji jak co roku
                                                    przyjechali do miasta zeby pozalatwiac swoje sprawy. Mieli jeszcze pare godzin
                                                    do wyjazdu i jeden z nich zaproponowal zeby pojsc do miejscowego zoo w ktorym
                                                    nigdy nie byli. Ogladaja zwierzeta, odladaja, dziwujac sie przeokropnie, i tak
                                                    doszli do klatki z zyrafami. Jeden z facetow zlapal drugiego za ramie i
                                                    powiedzial: No nieeee, takie zwierze nie istnieje !
                                                  • polani Re: do australijskiego zafajdanca..... 17.10.05, 04:09
                                                    wroc do polski oddaj twoj majatek auborginaly nie karm ich wodka
                                                    ty bezeczelny baily polski kolonialista
                                            • polani Re: Tego powinniscie uczyc w Izraelu 14.10.05, 19:41
                                              Zydy sie bronia goje gnoje krzycza gewlat !
                                              mam was w du..pie
                                              • oregon_state Re: Tego powinniscie uczyc w Izraelu 14.10.05, 19:44
                                                Ty przypadkiem nie jestes ten pajac z oregonu?
                                              • remekk Re: Tego powinniscie uczyc w Izraelu 17.10.05, 09:45
                                                Ob zyd lwiec - jak zwykle kultywuje ta ohydna kulture .
                                                Trzymajcie się z dala od POlski plugawcy !
                                                • polani Re: Tego powinniscie uczyc w Izraelu 17.10.05, 20:40
                                                  a co z lizenzie uzywanie naszego zyda i jego mamusie jako wasz Bogi ?
                                                  postaw nam cena na uzywanie naszych ostatnie 1000 lat
                                                  • samsone Poczytaj sobie Koran i jak te arabskie prufesory 17.10.05, 20:45
                                                    swieta trojak intepretuja, Marie, tez oni ignoranci do swietej trojki
                                                    zaliczyli...a pozatym lepiej jak naszego zydo-chrzescijanskiego Boga z ich
                                                    wykolencem nie mieszaja,,,,a tak pozatym prawde mowiac, ani Hebraismo ani tez
                                                    Chrzescijanstwo monoteicznymi religiami nie sa....
                                                  • polani Re: Poczytaj sobie Koran i jak te arabskie prufes 17.10.05, 22:29
                                                    muzelmani to wiara ? napewno sztana co morduja kradnie i gwalci
                                                    od maroko do fuckingstanu
                                                  • zbalansowany Fredzio 18.10.05, 03:08
                                                    Czy ten pierwszy od lewej na tym zdjeciu to ty ?

                                                    www.rense.com/
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 04:00
                                                    napewno nie ja ne mambrode i pejsy(mze twoja sq.. zydowka)
                                                    ale mm czerwona Jarmulke od tego papieza, chcialem byc arzibiskup Poznaniu ten
                                                    byly bul lalus i pedofil, chcialem mniec cal kase i 12 mlode polek zakonicy
                                                    jako eskorta
                                                    Papiez sie nie zgodzil nawet ze znam sie na bibli
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 04:04
                                                    Oj Fredek, Fredek.

                                                    Ty naloz sobie ten kalamarz na czolo, idz pod jakis mur (niekoniecznie ten w
                                                    okupowanej Jerozolimie) i walnij pare razy w niego kiepela.
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 04:06
                                                    ten Mur w Jerozolimie jest czystak zydowska roboto stoji juz 2000 lat z cazsu
                                                    krola Heroda w jego czasy nie bylo arabstwo i polactwo
                                                    My dostalismy polska drewniana i zostawilsmy murowana
                                                    Ty jestes Ben Zona Polani
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 04:32
                                                    Fredzio, jezeli tylko ten mur ci odpowiada zeby walic w niego glowa to by my
                                                    guest, wal chlopie smialo
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 05:25
                                                    moj mur jest swiety
                                                    wiem ze jeden wybudowaliscie sobie w czasie komunt :))))
                                                    dzisja nie macie go to mzecie krasc na okolo europy specialnie mercedesy
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 05:30
                                                    Nie zagaduj Fredek, nie zagaduj - specjalistami od murow to wy jestescie.
                                                    dawniej to europejczycy budowali wam mury, bo smrodu cebuli i czisnku nie mogli
                                                    zniesc. tak zescie sie do tego przyzwyczaili ze i w Eretzu mur zescie sobie
                                                    pobudowali zeby czuc sie jak w domu.
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 18.10.05, 07:47
                                                    ja wiem ze bieda australia cierpi krolikow wielbladow muzelmanow i takich
                                                    polakow jak ty, ta nowa ziemie tez sasmordziles gownem poloarabskim
                                                    bon appetit fajdaczku
                                                    my zyjemy 3700 lat i dozyjemy ciebie i twoich achmedow z krotkimi nogami maly
                                                    tzlek i krzywe nogi
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 19.10.05, 08:21
                                                    Fredek znowu ci za chwile pielegniarka odbierze laptopa i bedzie gewalt
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 19.10.05, 08:57
                                                    Zablo australia ma ciebie krolikow welbladow i muzelmanow
                                                    ten kontinenet juz zginal
                                                  • zbalansowany Re: Fredzio 19.10.05, 09:01
                                                    Poradzimy sobie Fredzio, poradzimy. A wielblady wyslemy tobie bo wiem ze je
                                                    lubisz
                                                  • polani Re: Fredzio 19.10.05, 09:03
                                                    poszlej do polski aby poloarabczki wrocili do dameszek i gaza nie mja bilet na
                                                    samoloty bo wszytko inwestowaliw burdelach i narkotikow
        • hans_2 Re: No nie wiem czy wszystkich 20.10.05, 03:02
          troche za bardzo uogulnione ale tak faktycznie bylo.
          szczegoly wszystkie sie zgadzaja
      • remekk Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 21.10.05, 16:41
        polani napisał:

        > Zablo
        > ale to byl blitzkrieg z 8 godzin zniszylismy arabskie lotnistwo, zostalo bez
        > skrzydla,oni czekali na naszych pilotow(weilu z polskiego pochodzenia) w
        siniau
        >
        > i my przyslismy z morza;)))
        > polacy mowili nasze zydy byli sowjeckie araby, zrobilsimy z sowjecka bron
        zlam
        > !
        > potem z 12 lat zbankrotowal caly pakt wa-waki
        > General Szaron walil arbstwo w Um Ktaef na Sinaiu
        > Fredzio byl zaziebiony w szpitalu kiedy jordanczycy Natanie bombardowali i na
        > moja szkole grnaty strzelali
        >
        > szkoda ze nie wypedzilismy arabstwo a la Wisla opercaja II
        >
        > Potem wasz Gomulka stracil nerwy bo bilsmy jego arabskiego przyjaciele
        > i wszytkich asymilowanych jwrejow wypedzil z swojmy sziksami do Erec
        Israel :))
        > )
        >
        >
        >
        Taa - niepiśmiennych Arabów pogoniliście - podczas wojny z pradwziwym
        pzreciwnikiem - Niemcami potrafiliście jedynie poganaic swoich do gazu z
        energia , która zadziwiła nawet Niemców ... .
        > i wszytkich asymilowanych jwrejow wypedzil z swojmy sziksami do Erec
        Ciekawe co tez "nasz" koszrny "mysliciel" - fredzi miał na "mysli" pisząc
        "sziksy" ?
        • polani Re: Jak Izrael rozpetal wojne 21.10.05, 16:51
          jak w czasie II WS mnielismy my basze panstwo i taki IDF bis my wojne wygrali
          nie jak polacy z bitwy iciekali
          a 57 i 68 wypedzilscie jwreje do Erec Israel z ich sziksamy a oni nie chca o
          polske znac
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