Co wskazuje na prowokacje US i UK .

[marwin]

* The biggest UK military force deployed since the Falklands War left for the
Middle East a week before the U.S. attacks and therefore is now in precisely
the right place to be used in a war against Afghanistan and other targets which
have been blamed without evidence for the U.S. atrocities.

* A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning
military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last week's
attacks.

* Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, told the BBC that he was
told by senior American officials in MID-JULY that military action against
Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

* Mr Naik said U.S. officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored
international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. Mr Naik
told the BBC that at the meeting the U.S. representatives told him that unless
Osama Bin Laden was handed over swiftly, America would take military action to
kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.

* The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taliban
regime and install a transitional government of Afghans in its place - possibly
under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.

* Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in
Tajikistan, where American advisers were already in place.

* He was told that Uzbekistan would also participate in the operation and that
17,000 Russian troops were on standby.

* Mr Naik was told that if the military action went ahead it would take place
before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at
the latest.

* He said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden
were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.

* So the attacks in the United States were a remarkable "co-incidence" given
that they gave the U.S. and it's Illuminati allies the excuse they needed to do
what they had been planning for so long at the very time they planned to do it.

It is important to emphasise this point. No evidence that would be accepted by
any court of law has been offered to show that Bin Laden and Afghanistan were
in any way involved in what happened in New York and Washington.

www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/intlterrorists.html
www.davidicke.com/icke/article.html

[Gość: zBYSZEK]

Ocvzywiscie, ze tak. O tym berlinskim spotkaniu pisalem juz duzo wczesniej. Dlaej,
staralem sie wyjasnic przyczyny prowokacji. Dlaczego USA i UK uderzyly na
Afganistan? Niedawna wypowiedz Rumsfelda i artykul z pakistanskoej gazety
wyjasniaja przyczyne. Przyczyna jest zreszta taka sama jak do uderzenia na
Jugoslawie. W jednym i drugim przypadku chodzi o transport ropy naftowej z rejonu
morza Kaspijskiego.

Ponizszy tekst podziele na dwie czesci gdyz w �jednym kawalku� prawdopodobnie
sie nie zmiesci.
W obu artykulach przetlumaczylem tylko pewne fragmenty (po
prost z braku czasu)
ale podaje adresy internetowe i zachecam do przeczytania
calosci.

www.usatoday.com/news/attack/2001/10/25/rumsfeld.htm

10/25/2001 - Updated 12:01 AM ET

Rumsfeld: U.S. may never get bin Laden

By Jonathan Weisman and Andrea Stone, USA TODAY


WASHINGTON � After 18 days of U.S. airstrikes on
Afghanistan, Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday that American forces might
not catch terrorist
Osama bin Laden. But he predicted that the Taliban regime
harboring bin Laden
will be toppled.

(Po 18 dniach bombardowania Afganistanu, Sekretarz Obrony
Donald Rumsfeld
powiedzial w srode, ze sily amerykanskie maga nigdy nie
zlapac terrorysty bin
Ladena. Ale przewiduje, ze rezim Talibow, ktory udziela
Osamie schronienia
upadnie.)
[�]
Bush said on Sept. 18 that he wants bin Laden "dead or alive."
But recently he
has played down the importance of capturing bin Laden, the
alleged mastermind
behind the Sept. 11 attacks, and stressed a less specific goal
of smashing
terrorism. For his part, Rumsfeld has tried to lower
expectations for the
military campaign by comparing it to the Cold War, which
lasted a half-century.

(18 wrzesnia Bush powiedzial, ze chce dostac Oasme �zywego
lub martwego�. Ale
ostatnio okreslil zlapanie Osamy, podejrzanego o
zorganizowanie zamach w dniu
11 wrzesnia, jako mniej wazne i podal niejasno okreslony
cel zniszczenia terroryzmu. Rumsfeld ze swojej strony usilowal
obnizyc
oczekiwania zwiazane z akcja militarna porownujac ja do
�Zimnej Wojny�, ktora
trwala 50 lat.)

In a 50-minute interview, Rumsfeld cautioned repeatedly that
it would be "very
difficult" to capture or kill bin Laden: "It's a big world. There
are lots of
countries. He's got a lot of money, he's got a lot of people who
support him,
and I just don't know whether we'll be successful. Clearly, it
would be highly
desirable to find him."

Even if bin Laden were killed, his terrorist network would carry
on, Rumsfeld
said. "If he were gone tomorrow, the same problem would
exist."

(W 50 minutowym wywiadzie, Rumsfeld podkreslal
wielokrotnie ze moze byc �bardzo
trudnym� zlapanie lub zabicie bin Ladena. �Swiat jest wielki.
Jest na nim wiele
panstw. On ma bardzo duzo pieniedzy i bardzo wielu ludzi
ktorzy go popieraja, i
ja poprostu nie wiem czy nam sie to uda. Mowiac jasno,
byloby bardzo pozadane
znalezienie go.�

Nawet gdyby bin Laden zostal zabity, jego siatka
terrorystyczna dzialala by
nadal, powiedzial Rumsfeld. �Jezeli by jutro bylo po nim, ten
sam problem nadal
by istnial.)


WIEC O CO CHODZI? JAKI JEST CEL WOJNY W AFGANISTANIE?

Odpowiedz na to pytanie byla udzielana wielokrotnie przez
kilka co najmniej
osob.

Ale dodam do tych wyjasnien jeszcze pare szczegolow.

www.dawn.com/2001/10/25/int15.htm




Oil, Afghanistan and America's pipe dream
By George Monbiot

The invasion of Afghanistan is certainly a campaign against
terrorism, but it
may also be a late colonial adventure.[�] Afghanistan is as
indispensable to
the regional control and transport of oil in central Asia as Egypt
was in the
Middle East.
(NAPAD NA AFGANISTAN JEST NIEWATPLIWIE AKCJA
PRZECIWKO TERRORYZMOWI, ALE MOZE
BYC ROWNIEZ POZNO-KOLONIALNA WYPRAWA.[�]
AFGANISTAN JEST NIEZASTAPIONY W TYM
REGIONIE JESLI CHODZI O NADZOR I TRANSPORT ROPY
NAFTOWEJ W CENTRALNEJ AZJI TAK
JAK EGIPT BYL NA SRODKOWYM WSCHODZIE.)

Afghanistan has some oil and gas of its own, but not enough to
qualify as a
major strategic concern. Its northern neighbours, by contrast,
contain reserves
which could be critical to future global supply. In 1998, Dick
Cheney, now US
vice-president but then chief executive of a major oil services
company,
remarked: "I cannot think of a time when we have had a region
emerge as
suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian."
But the oil
and gas there is worthless until it is moved. The only route
which makes both
political and economic sense is through Afghanistan.
(AFGANISTAN POSIADA PEWNE ZASOBY ROPY I GAZU ALE NIE
SA ONE WYSTARCZAJACE ABY
BYLY GODNE DUZEGO STRATEGICZNEGO ZAINTERESOWANIA.
W PRZECIWIENSTWIE DO
AFGANISTANU JEGO POLNOCNI SASIEDZI POSIADAJA ZASOBY
KTORE MOGA MIEC DECYDUJACE
ZNACZENIE DLA PRZYSZLEGO SWIATOWEGO ZAOPATRZENIA. W
1998 ROKU, DICK CHENEY,
OBECNY VICE PREZYDENT A WOWCZAS SZEF WYKONAWCZY
JEDNEJ Z GLOWNYCH FIRM
NAFTOWYCH ZAUWAZYL: "NIE PAMIETAM ABY KIEDYKOLWIEK
JAKIS REGION TAK NAGLE STAL
SIE WAZNY STRATEGICZNIE JAK REJON MORZA KASPIJSKIEGO.�
ALE ROPA I GAZ W TYM
REJONIE SA BEZWARTOSCIOWE TAK DLUGO JAK DLUGO NIE
BEDZIE MOZNA ICH
PRZETRANSPORTOWAC. JEDYNA SENSOWNA DROGA Z
PUNKTU WIDZENIA POLITYCZNEGO I
EKONOMICZNEGO JEST AFGANISTAN.)

[Gość: Zbyszek]

Transporting all the Caspian basin's fossil fuel through Russia or Azerbaijan
would greatly enhance Russia's political and economic control
over the central
Asian republics, which is precisely what the west has spent 10
years trying to
prevent. Piping it through Iran would enrich a regime which the
US has been
seeking to isolate.

Sending it the long way round through China, quite aside from
the strategic
considerations, would be prohibitively expensive. BUT
PIPELINES THROUGH
AFGHANISTAN WOULD ALLOW THE US BOTH TO PURSUE ITS
AIM OF "DIVERSIFYING ENERGY
SUPPLY" AND TO PENETRATE THE WORLD'S MOST LUCRATIVE
MARKETS. GROWTH IN EUROPEAN
OIL CONSUMPTION IS SLOW AND COMPETITION IS INTENSE.

IN SOUTH ASIA, BY CONTRAST, DEMAND IS BOOMING AND
COMPETITORS ARE SCARCE.
PUMPING OIL SOUTH AND SELLING IT IN PAKISTAN AND INDIA,
IN OTHER WORDS, IS FAR
MORE PROFITABLE THAN PUMPING IT WEST AND SELLING IT IN
EUROPE.

As the author Ahmed Rashid has documented, in 1995 the US
oil company Unocal
started negotiating to build oil and gas pipelines from
Turkmenistan, through
Afghanistan and into Pakistani ports on the Arabian sea. The
company's scheme
required a single administration in Afghanistan, which would
guarantee safe
passage for its goods.

Soon after the Taliban took Kabul in September 1996, the
London-based Daily
Telegraph newspaper reported that "oil industry insiders say
the dream of
securing a pipeline across Afghanistan is the main reason why
Pakistan, a close
political ally of America's, has been so supportive of the
Taliban, and why
America has quietly acquiesced in its conquest of Afghanistan".

UNOCAL INVITED SOME OF THE LEADERS OF THE TALIBAN TO
HOUSTON, WHERE THEY WERE
ROYALLY ENTERTAINED. THE COMPANY SUGGESTED PAYING
THE GUESTS 15 CENTS FOR EVERY
THOUSAND CUBIC FEET OF GAS IT PUMPED THROUGH THE
LAND THEY HAD CONQUERED.

For the first year of Taliban rule, US policy towards the regime
appears to
have been determined principally by Unocal's interests. In
1997 a US diplomat
told Rashid "the Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis
did. There will
be Aramco (the former US oil consortium in Saudi Arabia)
pipelines, an emir, no
parliament and lots of Shariah law. We can live with that."

US policy began to change only when feminists and greens
started campaigning
against both Unocal's plans and the government's covert
backing for Kabul.

Even so, as a transcript of a Congress hearing now circulating
among war
resisters shows, Unocal failed to get the message. In February
1998, John
Maresca, its head of international relations, told
representatives that the
growth in demand for energy in Asia and sanctions against Iran
determined that
Afghanistan remained "the only other possible route" for
Caspian oil.

THE COMPANY, ONCE THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT WAS
RECOGNIZED BY FOREIGN DIPLOMATS AND
BANKS, STILL HOPED TO BUILD A 1,000-MILE PIPELINE, WHICH
WOULD CARRY A MILLION
BARRELS A DAY. ONLY IN DECEMBER 1998, FOUR MONTHS
AFTER THE EMBASSY BOMBINGS IN
EAST AFRICA, DID UNOCAL DROP ITS PLANS.

BUT AFGHANISTAN'S STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE HAS NOT
CHANGED. IN SEPTEMBER, A FEW
DAYS BEFORE THE ATTACK ON NEW YORK, THE US ENERGY
INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION
REPORTED THAT "AFGHANISTAN'S SIGNIFICANCE FROM AN
ENERGY STANDPOINT STEMS FROM
ITS GEOGRAPHICAL POSITION AS A POTENTIAL TRANSIT
ROUTE FOR OIL AND NATURAL GAS
EXPORTS FROM CENTRAL ASIA TO THE ARABIAN SEA.

This potential includes the possible construction of oil and
natural gas export
pipelines through Afghanistan". Given that the US government
is dominated by
former oil industry executives, we would be foolish to suppose
that such plans
no longer figure in its strategic thinking. As the researcher
Keith Fisher has
pointed out, the possible economic outcomes of the war in
Afghanistan mirror
the possible economic outcomes of the war in the Balkans,
where the development
of "Corridor 8", an economic zone built around a pipeline
carrying oil and gas
from the Caspian to Europe, is a critical allied concern.

American foreign policy is governed by the doctrine of
"full-spectrum
dominance", which means that the US should control military,
economic and
political development worldwide. China has responded by
seeking to expand its
interests in central Asia. The defence white paper Beijing
published last year
argued that "China's fundamental interests lie in ... the
establishment and
maintenance of a new regional security order".

In June, China and Russia pulled four central Asian republics
into a "Shanghai
cooperation organization". Its purpose, according to Jiang
Zemin, is to "foster
world multi- polarization", by which he means contesting US
full-spectrum
dominance.

If the US succeeds in overthrowing the Taliban and replacing
them with a stable
and grateful pro-western government and if the US then binds
the economies of
central Asia to that of its ally Pakistan, it will have crushed not
only
terrorism, but also the growing ambitions of both Russia and
China.
Afghanistan, as ever, is the key to the western domination of
Asia.

There have been arguments about whether terrorism is likely
to be deterred or
encouraged by the invasion of Afghanistan, or whether the
plight of the
starving there will be relieved or exacerbated by attempts to
destroy the

Massuda zabiły służby specjalne Pakistanu

[Gość: nik]

"Bliski współpracownik generała Ahmeda Massuda twierdzi, że ten były dowódca
Sojuszu Północnego został zamordowany przez służby specjalne Pakistanu.

Informację tę podaje niedzielne wydanie dziennika "Le Parisien".

29-letni Faheem Dashty jest dziennikarzem niezależnej afgańskiej agencji
prasowej "Ariana", a od 10 lat był zaufanym współpracownikiem Massuda.

Dashty jest jednym z dwóch ludzi, którzy przeżyli zamach przeprowadzony przez
fałszywych dziennikarzy, w którym zginął przywódca antytalibskiej opozycji."


Wszyscy się zgadzają, że czasowa zbieżność zamachu na Massuda i ataku na WTC
nie jest przypadkowa.
Pakistan jest rządzony przez proamerykanski reżim (wbrew woli narodu), który
najprawdopodobniej zdobył władzę przy pomocy CIA.

Kolejny przapadek?

__ Mapa__

[Gość: Vist¸]

www.heritage.org/library/categories/forpol/bg1132map01.gif

[Gość: archimed]

Gość portalu: Vist¸ napisał(a):

> <a href="http://www.heritage.org/library/categories/forpol/bg1132map01.gif">ww
> w.heritage.org/library/categories/forpol/bg1132map01.gif</a>

Mapa wiele wyjaśnia. Ale jeszcze ciekawsze jest chyba to, że dają się już teraz
zauważyć opinie, że samoloty uderzające na WTC i Pentagon wcale nie były
sterowane przez porywaczy. Kierunek lotu i jego cel wytyczał bądź specjalny
podprogram automatycznego pilota, uruchamiany w tym wypadku przyciskiem mającym
sygnalizować kontroli lotu, że samolot został porwany (bardziej prawdopodobne),
bądż operator naziemny (mniej prawdopodobne). Jeśli jednak pamięta się historię
lotu pewnego B474 linii południowokoreańskich, to wiadomo, jaka organizacja
terrorystyczna ma dużą wprawę w szperaniu w programach automatycznych pilotów.
Dla ułatwienia podam,że za motto ma "poznacie prawdę, a prawda uczyni was
wolnymi", a jej siedziba to Langley.
andrzej nowicki

__ Auto__pilot ?__

[Gość: Vist¸]

Gość portalu: archimed napisał(a):

> Mapa wiele wyjaśnia. Ale jeszcze ciekawsze jest chyba to, że dają się już teraz
> zauważyć opinie, że samoloty uderzające na WTC i Pentagon wcale nie były
> sterowane przez porywaczy.

!?

> Kierunek lotu i jego cel wytyczał bądź specjalny podprogram automatycznego
> pilota, uruchamiany w tym wypadku przyciskiem mającym sygnalizować kontroli
> lotu, że samolot został porwany (bardziej prawdopodobne),


> bądż operator naziemny (mniej prawdopodobne). Jeśli jednak pamięta się historię
> lotu pewnego B474 linii południowokoreańskich, to wiadomo, jaka organizacja
> terrorystyczna ma dużą wprawę w szperaniu w programach automatycznych pilotów.
> Dla ułatwienia podam,że za motto ma "poznacie prawdę, a prawda uczyni was
> wolnymi", a jej siedziba to Langley. > andrzej nowicki

Obiekty takie jak WTC muszą być wprowadzone do pamięci autopilotów (!)

Ciekawe !


pzdr

Vist¸__________________/

[kathy]

marwin napisał(a):

>
> * The biggest UK military force deployed since the Falklands War left for the
> Middle East a week before the U.S. attacks and therefore is now in precisely
> the right place to be used in a war against Afghanistan and other targets which
>
> have been blamed without evidence for the U.S. atrocities.
>
> * A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning
> military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last week's
>
> attacks.
>
> * Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, told the BBC that he was
> told by senior American officials in MID-JULY that military action against
> Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
>
> * Mr Naik said U.S. officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored
> international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. Mr Naik
> told the BBC that at the meeting the U.S. representatives told him that unless
> Osama Bin Laden was handed over swiftly, America would take military action to
> kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
>
> * The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taliban
> regime and install a transitional government of Afghans in its place - possibly
>
> under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.
>
> * Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in
> Tajikistan, where American advisers were already in place.
>
> * He was told that Uzbekistan would also participate in the operation and that
> 17,000 Russian troops were on standby.
>
> * Mr Naik was told that if the military action went ahead it would take place
> before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at
> the latest.
>
> * He said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden
>
> were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.
>
> * So the attacks in the United States were a remarkable "co-incidence" given
> that they gave the U.S. and it's Illuminati allies the excuse they needed to do
>
> what they had been planning for so long at the very time they planned to do it.
>
> It is important to emphasise this point. No evidence that would be accepted by
> any court of law has been offered to show that Bin Laden and Afghanistan were
> in any way involved in what happened in New York and Washington.
>
> <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/intlterrorists.html">www.david
> icke.com/icke/articles3/intlterrorists.html</a>
> <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/icke/article.html">www.davidicke.com/icke/art
> icle.html</a>

Krasnoludki są na świecie. Również w internecie widać ich wrogą
działalność.Dlatego żądajmy ujawnienia prawdy, którą usiłowali zafałszować bracia
Grimm!

[marwin]

kathy napisał(a):

> Krasnoludki są na świecie. Również w internecie widać ich wrogą
> działalność.Dlatego żądajmy ujawnienia prawdy, którą usiłowali zafałszować brac

Niestety nie jestem krasnoludkiem. Chyba je przeceniasz.