Traktat CFE

[zibi_mazurak]

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O co chodzi Putinowi? Tylko o amerykański system OPR czy również o wojska
państw europejskich?

[foxbat1]

Chodzi o to

en.rian.ru/russia/20070426/64462473.html
Putin proposes moratorium on CFE treaty -1
16:15 | 26/ 04/ 2007



(Adds paragraphs 3-7, 10-32)

MOSCOW, April 26 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed
Thursday that Russia should unilaterally suspend the implementation of the
Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe until other parties to the treaty
ratify the document.

"I think it is necessary to announce a moratorium on Russia's implementation of
the CFE treaty until all NATO countries ratify it and start to strictly adhere
to it, as Russia does today unilaterally," Putin said in his annual state of
the nation address to parliament.

The CFE treaty was concluded in 1990 by the then-22 members of NATO and the now
defunct Warsaw Pact to enhance arms control in Europe.

An updated version elaborated to adapt the accord to post-Cold War realities
was signed by all the parties in 1999, but only four - Russia, Belarus, Ukraine
and Kazakhstan - have ratified it so far.

"NATO newcomers, such as Slovakia and the Baltic states, despite preliminary
agreements with the alliance, have not joined the CFE treaty altogether," the
Russian president said, adding that the treaty has been implemented only at the
level of information exchange and mutual inspections.

Putin reiterated that Russia is the only party to the agreement that signed,
ratified and has been implementing the provisions of the document.

"We have significantly reduced our armed forces," Putin said. "We have
withdrawn almost all heavy weaponry from the European part of the country."

"But what about our partners? They have not even ratified the adopted treaty,
citing the Istanbul Agreements that stipulate the withdrawal of Russian troops
from Georgia and Transdnestr," the Russian leader said.

He also suggested that Russia might consider leaving the CFE treaty if talks
with NATO countries show no visible progress in the implementation of the
treaty in the future.

"I propose discussing the issue at the Russia-NATO Council, and if progress is
not reached in negotiations, consider the possibility of terminating our
obligations under the CFE Treaty," Putin said.

A Kremlin source later confirmed the Kremlin's determination to follow up on
Putin's proposal, giving the alliance a year to make a decision on the CFE or
face Russia's unilateral withdrawal from the treaty.

"We have approached our [NATO] partners on the issue on numerous occasions, but
they have never made any progress toward ratification of the treaty," the
source said. "They must decide on the future of the treaty in a short time -
within a year."

The strong statement made by the Russian leader triggered an immediate response
from NATO headquarters in Brussels that said the alliance is expecting to
receive clarification on the Russian position in the near future.

Guy Roberts, a senior NATO official, said Thursday he hopes President Vladimir
Putin's proposal on Russia's withdrawal from the Conventional Forces in Europe
treaty is not a final decision.

The trans-Atlantic alliance earlier said its member nations will not ratify the
adapted CFE until after Russia withdraws its military bases from ex-Soviet
republics, such as Georgia and Moldova.

But Putin insisted that the Istanbul Agreements were not legally bound to the
CFE treaty, and Russia had made serious efforts to resolve the issue of its
military presence on the post-Soviet territory.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last year that "the Georgia
pretext" was no longer valid as the sides had already agreed on the withdrawal
of military bases from Georgian territory.

Russia's Defense Ministry resumed the withdrawal of its military bases from
Georgia last week under the 2006 agreement between the Georgian and Russian
governments.

The Akhalkalaki base in the south of the country is to be completely evacuated
before the end of the year, while a base in the Black Sea port of Batumi is to
close by the end of 2008.

Russia completed the withdrawal of its military garrison from the Georgian
capital, Tbilisi, handing over control of its headquarters to Georgia's Defense
Ministry, last December.

Lavrov also said there were only 500 Russian servicemen currently deployed in
Moldova's breakaway Transdnestr region and that they were guarding Europe's
largest arms depot. "It would be a crime to leave it unattended," he said.

President Putin said Thursday these unilateral actions serve as proof of
Russia's determination to adhere to the treaty and question, at the same time,
the real intentions of NATO countries.

"This gives us the right to insist that our [NATO] partners are behaving
incorrectly, to say the least, attempting to achieve unilateral advantages," he
said, adding that the West is trying to build a network of military bases along
the Russian border.

"In addition, they are planning to deploy elements of a missile defense system
in the Czech Republic and Poland," Putin said.

In January, the U.S. announced plans to deploy a radar facility in the Czech
Republic and a missile base in Poland to counter possible attacks from Iran or
North Korea, whose nuclear programs have provoked serious international
concerns.

Moscow has been strongly opposed to the U.S. plans, saying they would threaten
Russia's security and destroy the strategic balance of forces in Europe.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who met with President Vladimir Putin and
Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov during his recent visit to Moscow,
apparently failed to convince the Russian leadership that the U.S. missile
shield does not pose any threat to Russia, although he suggested that Moscow
could cooperate with Washington on a whole range of issues related to the
missile defense system.

Russia warned Washington that it would monitor the U.S. missile defense
installations in Europe if they were ultimately deployed, and would develop an
adequate response to U.S. actions.

"If we see that these installations pose a threat to Russia's national
security, they will be targeted by our forces," Yury Baluyevsky, the chief of
the Russian General Staff, said Tuesday. "What measures we are going to use -
strategic, nuclear or other - is a technical issue."

President Putin said in his annual address that the issue of the European
missile shield must be discussed in the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

"It is obvious that U.S. plans on deployment of a missile defense system in
Europe are not exclusively an issue of Russian-American relations," he said.

"It concerns, to a various extent, interests of all European nations, including
those that are not NATO members," Putin said, adding that the OSCE must finally
start facing the real issues that are plaguing Europe, rather than looking for
trouble spots on the post-Soviet space.

[zibi_mazurak]

Czyli o co mu chodzi? Tylko o system OPR i żołnierzy natowskich stacjonujących
przy granicy rosyjskiej?

Ławrow jak zawsze kłamie

[zibi_mazurak]

Na terytorium Mołdowy stacjonuje nie 500, lecz 1000 rosyjskich żołnierzy. Dowód:
www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/deploy.htm

Mazurak jak zawsze nie ma pojecia o czym mowi

[foxbat1]

Dane z linka maja taka brode ....

tak krócej to

[adam_al]

Putin twierdzi, że natowscy sygnatariusze Traktatu o Ograniczeniu Sił
Konwencjonalnych w Europie nie przestrzegają jego ustaleń.

Jeszcze krócej: to tylko polityka
(ewentualnie kiełbacha dla mas)

[foxbat1]

Nie przestrzegaja to malo powiedziane - nawet nie ratyfikowali zmian do
traktatu choc zobowiazali sie do tego - poki co jednostronnie realizuje traktat
FR i trzy inne panstwa WNP
Zachod ma traktat w dupie

[sagger]

masz może dane do poszczególnych państw, jakie im limity sprzętu przyznano na
mocy (lub niemocy)tego traktatu?

Tu

[wielki_czarownik]

fas.org/nuke/control/cfe/cfebook/appenda.html
fas.org/nuke/control/cfe/cfebook/

[axx611]

Bardzo dobra odpowiedz Putina. Podobno jesden z punktow tego porozumienia nie
przewidywal akcji wojsk sovieckich poza granicami Rosji. Teraz to bedzie
mozliwe. Zbliza sie koniec rzadow Putina. Kandydat nie jest jeszcze wyloniony a
moze bedzie nim sam...Putin zreszta na wnisek politycznych ugrupowan a pasuje
jak ulal.

CFE- to dzisiaj anachronizm

[odyn06]

CFE to anachronizm. Był dobry, gdy państwa europejskie eliminowały swoje
zimnowojenne potencjały, a komisje CFE z wypiekami na twarzy liczyły zardzewiałe
czołgi w Szczecinie, samoloty na lotnisku w Lidzie czy przeznaczone na żyletki
transportery w Heidelbergu.
Dzisiaj, coroczne raporty CFE to biurokratyczne pitolenie i robota dla
urzędników w Wiedniu. Nikt tego nie traktuje poważnie. Taka sobie
ogólnoeuropejska obłuda.
Próba podciągnięcia dzisiejsze sytuacji polityczno-militarnej w Europie pod
porozumienia CFE to zgrabny chwyt propagandowy, obliczony głównie na rosyjski
rynek wewnętrzny. Jestem przekonany, że Europa odetchnie z ulgą, gdy ktokolwiek
z sygnatariuszy CFE ten układ wypowie. Na pewno nie zrobią tego Rosjanie, bo
stracą darmowy (za kontrole płaci Wiedeń!) kontakt z sytuacja militarną w
Europie.Pzdr.

[axx611]

Traktat obejmowal nie tylko Europe ale takze Kaukaz i poludnie Rosji. Po
wypowiedzeniu Rosja bedzie mogla tam oficjalnie zwiekszyc ilosc wojska a w
szczegolnosci helikopterow.