Jak pomóc Irańczykom

hanyska2 Do 1marutu1 - riposta 17.01.06, 10:35

Co to znaczy, ze Arabowie "zapisali" zero, podczas , gdy Hindusi je wymyslili?
Wymyslili i namalowali? To nie ma sensu. W istocie wiedza jaka przeniknela do
sredniowiecznej Europy (skad notabene pochodzilo wielu tej wiedzy kreatorow jak
Grek Arystoteles) wskutek podbojow chrzescijanskich ziemi przez muzulmanskich
Arabow (zaznaczam - podbojow!) w lwekj czesci pochodzila z niearabskich i
przedislamskich zrodel (z Indii, ze swiata antycznego) i zostala spisana i
przelozona na arabski przez ....chrzescijanskich uczonych, dhimmis w swiecie
chrzescijanskim. Nie bez powodu kalifowie zatrudniali na swych
dworach ...zydowskich lekarzy. Naturalnie nie twierdze, ze nie bylo zadnego
dalszego wkladu do nauk matematycznych ze strony Arabow, ale wszystko to bylo
wtorne. Ta lista podana przez ciebie nie jest zbyt imponujaca jak na 1400 lat
islamu. Nie mam niestety czasu sprawdzac zyciorysow i dokonan wszystkich tych
matematykow, ale jaki procent laureatow nagrody Nobla w dziedzinach naukowych
(bo trudno tu wspominac o terroryscie Arafacie i jej "pokojowej" nagrodzie za
wszystkie jatki na BW jakie zaaranzowal) przypada na swiat muzulmanski (1.2
miliardy ludzi!), podczas, gdy z garstki Zydow wyszlo ich 30%! Acha, Renesans
Eurpoa "zawdziecza" islamowi, bowiem, gdyby nie podboj Konstantynopola przez
Turkow w 1453, uczeni greccy nie ratowaliby sie ucieczka do obecnej Europy i tu
przyznalabym ci racje.
A co cystersi i templariusze wykradli z Palestyny????? Podbitej przez islam w
VII wieku? Ciekawam?
Nie mam niestety czasu przelozyc tego na polski, ale jesli znasz angielski to
prosze przeczytaj sobie o prawdziwych tworcach wiedzy "arabskiej" - przeloze,
jesli bedzie to konieczne:

"Most of those institutions in Islamic lands were actually founded by
Christians there.

In a certain sense, this is true. We hear a great deal about Islamic
literature — or at least a lot about the Sufi poet Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273)
and The Thousand and One Nights. There is also the Persian poet Abu Nuwas (762-
814), who had heterodox views of homosexuality; Al-Mutanabbi (915-965), whose
surname means “one who pretends to be a prophet”; the heterodox Turkish Sufi
Nesimi (d. 1417); the Persian epic poet Hakim Abu al-Qasim Mansur Firdowsi (935-
1020), who set the history of Persia to verse. For his sources he made use of
Christian and Zoroastrian chronicles which are long since lost; and many
others. Many of these men were open Islamic heretics; few seem to have taken
inspiration from Islam itself, with the possible exception of Farud ud-Din
Attar’s twelfth century allegory The Conference of the Birds. They left behind
many great works, but many if not most of these are notable not for their
Islamic character but for their lack of it. To credit them to the inspirational
power of Islam would be tantamount to crediting the Soviet system for the works
of Mandelstam, Sakharov, or even Solzhenitsyn.

Likewise, it is undeniable that there was a great cultural and scientific
flowering in the Islamic world in the Middle Ages, but there is no indication
that any of this flowering actually came as a result of Islam itself. In fact,
there is considerable evidence that it did not in fact come from Islam, but
from the non-Muslims who served their Muslim masters in various capacities. The
architectural design of mosques, for example, long a source of pride among
Muslims, was copied from the shape and structure of Byzantine churches. (And of
course, the principles that keep domes and arches up in the air were discovered
over a thousand years before the advent of Islam.) The seventh-century Dome of
the Rock, considered today to have been first great mosque, was not only copied
from Byzantine models, but was built by Byzantine craftsmen. Islamic
architectural innovations, interestingly enough, arose from military necessity:
the historian of Islamic art and architecture Oleg Grabar explains
that “Whatever its social or personal function, there hardly exists a major
monument of Islamic architecture that does not reflect power in some
fashion….Ostentation is rarely absent from architecture and ostentation is
almost always an expression of power.… For instance, in 11th- century Cairo or
14th-century Granada the gates were built with an unusual number of different
techniques of vaulting. Squinches coexist with pendentives, barrel vaults with
cross vaults, simple semicircular arches with pointed or horseshoe arches....It
is possible that certain innovations in Islamic vaulting techniques, especially
the elaboration of squinches and cross vaults, were the direct result of the
importance of military architecture, for which strength and the prevention of
fires, so common in wooden roofs and ceilings, were major objectives.”

The astrolabe was developed, if not perfected, long before Muhammad was born.
Avicenna (980-1037), Averroes (1128-1198), and the other Muslim philosophers
built on the work of the pagan Greek Aristotle. And Aristotle’s work was
preserved from the ravages of the Dark Ages not first by Muslims, but by
Christians such as the fifth-century priest Probus of Antioch, who introduced
Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world. The Christian Huneyn ibn-Ishaq (809-
873) translated many works by Aristotle, Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into
Syriac, from which they were translated into Arabic by his son. The Jacobite
Christian Yahya ibn ‘Adi (893-974) also translated works of philosophy into
Arabic, and wrote his own; his treatise The Reformation of Morals has
occasionally been erroneously attributed to various of his Muslim
contemporaries. His student, another Christian named Abu ‘Ali ‘Isa ibn Zur’a
(943-1008), also made Arabic translations of Aristotle and other Greek writers
from Syriac.

The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest
and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital,
another source of pride among Muslims and often a prominent feature of Islamic
accomplishment lists, was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate by a
Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in
Persia — by Assyrian Christians. The world’s first university may not have been
the Muslims’ Al-Azhar in Cairo, as is often claimed, but the Assyrian School of
Nisibis."

Jeszcze jestes oburzony? Moze mam cholerne braki we wiedzy, ale nie na ten
temat. A powiedz mi teraz ty czy czytales Koran????????? Moze i ty masz
cholerne braki we swojej wiedzy?

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ewswr Re: Jak pomóc Irańczykom 16.01.06, 21:50

pamiętam, był taki kraj, Irak Saddama, gdzie wg różnych "poważnych"
specjalistów, też tylko czekali na USA i zachód. a gdy przyszło co do czego,
trzeba było "proamerykanskich irakijczyków" sprowadzac z zagranicy( lub
żołnierzy USArmy przebierac)- mam na myśli propagandową sztuczkę z obaleniem
pomnika sadama na placu
presentation1 PO PROSTU NIE KLAMAC....... 17.01.06, 06:04

Jak podała Agencja Prasowa Xinhua, 16 stycznia w siedzibie w Atlancie
amerykańska stacja CNN wygłosiła oświadczenie, w którym przeprosiła rząd Iranu
za poważne błądy w tłumaczeniu podczas nadawania przemówienia prezydenta Iranu,
Mahmouda Ahmadinejada.

W oświadczeniu stwierdzono, że 14 stycznia, podczas przemówienia, prezydent
Iranu powiedział, że Iran posiada prawo do pokojowego korzystania z energii
nuklearnej, którego nie może zostać pozbawione. Iran nie potrzebuje broni
nuklearnej. Jednakże z powodu błędnego tłumaczenia, w programie CNN podano, że
posiadanie broni nuklearnej jest niezaprzeczalnym prawem Iranu. Wiadomość ta
sprawiła wielki niespokój społeczności międzynarodowej. Dlatego CNN poprzez jej
wszystkie kanały i sieć internetową przeprosił rząd Iranu i stałego
przedstawiciela Iranu w ONZ-cie za swoje błędy.

W oświadczeniu wyrażano także rozczarowanie z powodu decyzji rządu Iranu
dotyczącej wycofania z Iranu wszystkich dziennikarzy CNN.
- hanyska2 Wczoraj ogladalam na BBC wywiad z ministrem 17.01.06, 15:50
  
  iranskim, ktory przycisniety do sciany pytaniem dziennikarza "A po co wam
  energia atomowa skoro plywacie na ropie?" oswaidczyl, ze Iran wyprodukuje bombe
  atomowa...dla wlasnego prestizu, a zatem sami juz sie przyznali do klamstwa.
  Dobre zlego poczatki.
  - zorba007 Re: Wczoraj ogladalam na BBC wywiad z ministrem 18.01.06, 13:09
    
    by 2020 oil reservs will be finished, nuclear power is the future...
hanyska2 Do 1marutu1 - riposta 17.01.06, 10:35

Co to znaczy, ze Arabowie "zapisali" zero, podczas , gdy Hindusi je wymyslili?
Wymyslili i namalowali? To nie ma sensu. W istocie wiedza jaka przeniknela do
sredniowiecznej Europy (skad notabene pochodzilo wielu tej wiedzy kreatorow jak
Grek Arystoteles) wskutek podbojow chrzescijanskich ziemi przez muzulmanskich
Arabow (zaznaczam - podbojow!) w lwekj czesci pochodzila z niearabskich i
przedislamskich zrodel (z Indii, ze swiata antycznego) i zostala spisana i
przelozona na arabski przez ....chrzescijanskich uczonych, dhimmis w swiecie
chrzescijanskim. Nie bez powodu kalifowie zatrudniali na swych
dworach ...zydowskich lekarzy. Naturalnie nie twierdze, ze nie bylo zadnego
dalszego wkladu do nauk matematycznych ze strony Arabow, ale wszystko to bylo
wtorne. Ta lista podana przez ciebie nie jest zbyt imponujaca jak na 1400 lat
islamu. Nie mam niestety czasu sprawdzac zyciorysow i dokonan wszystkich tych
matematykow, ale jaki procent laureatow nagrody Nobla w dziedzinach naukowych
(bo trudno tu wspominac o terroryscie Arafacie i jej "pokojowej" nagrodzie za
wszystkie jatki na BW jakie zaaranzowal) przypada na swiat muzulmanski (1.2
miliardy ludzi!), podczas, gdy z garstki Zydow wyszlo ich 30%! Acha, Renesans
Eurpoa "zawdziecza" islamowi, bowiem, gdyby nie podboj Konstantynopola przez
Turkow w 1453, uczeni greccy nie ratowaliby sie ucieczka do obecnej Europy i tu
przyznalabym ci racje.
A co cystersi i templariusze wykradli z Palestyny????? Podbitej przez islam w
VII wieku? Ciekawam?
Nie mam niestety czasu przelozyc tego na polski, ale jesli znasz angielski to
prosze przeczytaj sobie o prawdziwych tworcach wiedzy "arabskiej" - przeloze,
jesli bedzie to konieczne:

"Most of those institutions in Islamic lands were actually founded by
Christians there.

In a certain sense, this is true. We hear a great deal about Islamic
literature — or at least a lot about the Sufi poet Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273)
and The Thousand and One Nights. There is also the Persian poet Abu Nuwas (762-
814), who had heterodox views of homosexuality; Al-Mutanabbi (915-965), whose
surname means “one who pretends to be a prophet”; the heterodox Turkish Sufi
Nesimi (d. 1417); the Persian epic poet Hakim Abu al-Qasim Mansur Firdowsi (935-
1020), who set the history of Persia to verse. For his sources he made use of
Christian and Zoroastrian chronicles which are long since lost; and many
others. Many of these men were open Islamic heretics; few seem to have taken
inspiration from Islam itself, with the possible exception of Farud ud-Din
Attar’s twelfth century allegory The Conference of the Birds. They left behind
many great works, but many if not most of these are notable not for their
Islamic character but for their lack of it. To credit them to the inspirational
power of Islam would be tantamount to crediting the Soviet system for the works
of Mandelstam, Sakharov, or even Solzhenitsyn.

Likewise, it is undeniable that there was a great cultural and scientific
flowering in the Islamic world in the Middle Ages, but there is no indication
that any of this flowering actually came as a result of Islam itself. In fact,
there is considerable evidence that it did not in fact come from Islam, but
from the non-Muslims who served their Muslim masters in various capacities. The
architectural design of mosques, for example, long a source of pride among
Muslims, was copied from the shape and structure of Byzantine churches. (And of
course, the principles that keep domes and arches up in the air were discovered
over a thousand years before the advent of Islam.) The seventh-century Dome of
the Rock, considered today to have been first great mosque, was not only copied
from Byzantine models, but was built by Byzantine craftsmen. Islamic
architectural innovations, interestingly enough, arose from military necessity:
the historian of Islamic art and architecture Oleg Grabar explains
that “Whatever its social or personal function, there hardly exists a major
monument of Islamic architecture that does not reflect power in some
fashion….Ostentation is rarely absent from architecture and ostentation is
almost always an expression of power.… For instance, in 11th- century Cairo or
14th-century Granada the gates were built with an unusual number of different
techniques of vaulting. Squinches coexist with pendentives, barrel vaults with
cross vaults, simple semicircular arches with pointed or horseshoe arches....It
is possible that certain innovations in Islamic vaulting techniques, especially
the elaboration of squinches and cross vaults, were the direct result of the
importance of military architecture, for which strength and the prevention of
fires, so common in wooden roofs and ceilings, were major objectives.”

The astrolabe was developed, if not perfected, long before Muhammad was born.
Avicenna (980-1037), Averroes (1128-1198), and the other Muslim philosophers
built on the work of the pagan Greek Aristotle. And Aristotle’s work was
preserved from the ravages of the Dark Ages not first by Muslims, but by
Christians such as the fifth-century priest Probus of Antioch, who introduced
Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world. The Christian Huneyn ibn-Ishaq (809-
873) translated many works by Aristotle, Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into
Syriac, from which they were translated into Arabic by his son. The Jacobite
Christian Yahya ibn ‘Adi (893-974) also translated works of philosophy into
Arabic, and wrote his own; his treatise The Reformation of Morals has
occasionally been erroneously attributed to various of his Muslim
contemporaries. His student, another Christian named Abu ‘Ali ‘Isa ibn Zur’a
(943-1008), also made Arabic translations of Aristotle and other Greek writers
from Syriac.

The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest
and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital,
another source of pride among Muslims and often a prominent feature of Islamic
accomplishment lists, was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate by a
Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in
Persia — by Assyrian Christians. The world’s first university may not have been
the Muslims’ Al-Azhar in Cairo, as is often claimed, but the Assyrian School of
Nisibis."

Jeszcze jestes oburzony? Moze mam cholerne braki we wiedzy, ale nie na ten
temat. A powiedz mi teraz ty czy czytales Koran????????? Moze i ty masz
cholerne braki we swojej wiedzy?

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- hanyska2 Re: Do 1marutu1 - riposta 17.01.06, 10:53
  
  Poprawka - powinno byc "dhimmis w jarzmie muzulmanskim"
  ----------------------
  www.eurojihad.org
  www.anglicansforisrael.com
  www.jihadwatch.com
najwydystelizowaniuchniejszy Re: Jak pomóc Irańczykom 17.01.06, 14:56

WIEDZA CZYNI CUDA- nakarmić społeczeństwo wiedzą-REZULTATY PRZJDĄ WYJĄTKOWO
SZYBKO.
ŻYDZI DOBRYM PRZYKŁADEM
- hanyska2 Madrze mowisz! 17.01.06, 15:54
  
  Trzeba zmombardowac ich wiedza i miec nadzieje, ze przejrza nawet przez islam.
  Pozdrawiam!
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