przytajcie dzisiejszy (11/09) Daily Herald

[m4verick]

jak w temacie,
jak ladnie nas (Polakow) opisuja....
normlanie az sie plakac chce

Maverick

[marxx]

Czesc!
Po pierwsze dzieki za cynk, kupilem gazetke i przeczytalem art.
ale qrde tak naprawde nie wiem o co Ci chodzi, dlaczego jestes zdenerwowany.
Dziennikarz opisal polske i polakow chcacych wyjechac do usa wg. mnie
obiektywnie! Toz wiadomo kto chce tu przyjechac, ludzie ktorzy klepia biede w
Polsce lub sa bez perspektyw, a niestety region bohatera art. to okolice
Tarnowa, wiec musialo byc o biedzie, dziennej stawce w Polsce ok 10$ bezrobociu
19%...to jest prawda!!!!
To samo sie tyczy beznadziejnego traktowania polakow w ambasadzie ,
bezzwrotnych kosztach tej "wizyty" , braku racjonalnego wyjasnienia decyzji
odmownych.

prawda, prawda, prawda---a o to nie mozemy miec pretensji.

Sadze , ze art. jest prawdziwy....do bolu :(((((

m

[lekel]

artykolow jest kilka, codziennie jeden, az do piatku, byly juz dwa inne.

[marxx]

Jestem pewny ze chodzi o wczorajsze wydanie 11/9
Art. o rodzinie z okolic Tarnowa i "przygodzie" w ambasadzie usa + trzy art.
przedtawiajace losy trzech pokolen emigracyjnych

m

[m4verick]

ja to z opzonieniem tutaj odpisuje, bo czasowo nie wyrabiam... :(
ale az tak strasznie jest w Polsce? dla mnie to az wyolbrzymione wszystko...
nie moze byc az tak zle, bylem pare miechow przeciez temu.

ps. ale mogli przy okazji tez opisac meksykow, rosjan, czechow... a tu sie do
Polakow przyczepily tylko.

[jerry008]

...artykuly " Path to Polski " sa juz w " Daily Herald " od kilku dni...ostatni
bedzie jutro....mysle, ze dosyc obiektywnie opisuja polska
rzeczywistosc....mozna oczywiscie niezgodzic sie z interpretacja kilku watkow
ale nie zapominajmy, ze pisze to Amerykanka....byla taz ciekawa dyskusja
na "public radio" 91.5 FM z autorka artykulow ( goraco polecam ta stacje,
jezeli szukacie obiektywnych informacji i ladnego jezyka literackego a zarazem
nie oderwanego od rzeczywistosc....., jezeli mozemy mowic o jakiejkolwiek
obiektywnosci w mediach...szczegolnie polecam audycje w sobota od 9 Am do 1
Am...jes quiz informacyjno-rozrywkowy od 9 do 10..pozniej porady samochodowe
prowadzonne przez dwoch starszych panow ( bracia-blizniacy ),super !!..a od 11
do 1 show Michaela Feldmana ..tez bardzo dobry...................chyba sie
rozgadalem.....to na ra jak mowia cool ludzie....cool ksieza mowia po
chwa !...jerry

[chudababa]

www.washtimes.com/national/20041110-123424-5467r.htm
a o tym co myslicie?

[marxx]

Generalnie to "kilka" osob na to czeka. Dobrze , ze reszta swiata zalapie sie z
hiszpanskojezycznymi!!!

Ale jaka to bedzie mialo forme to zobaczymy ktorz to wie:(




m

PS:
A co mysle?
JESTEM ZA!

[chudababa]

i najwazniejsze kiedy, bo o amnesti to juz gadaja od lat

[marxx]

Patrzac na obiecywanki pana B. na TRAGICZNE finanse zwiazane z wyplata kasy z
SS i wyplata kasy na zbrojenia to amnestia powinna byc juz kilka lat
temu.....ale patrzac na dzien dzisiejszy ... ja obstawiam 2005 lub poczatek 2006


Tylko jak to qrde bedzie wygladac?????????????


m

To jest art. o ktorym pisze Chudababa

[marxx]

President Bush yesterday moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax
rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just
days after they helped re-elect him.
The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to
discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal
status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.
The Arizona Republican is one of the Senate's most outspoken supporters of
expanding guest-worker programs and has introduced his own bill to offer a path
to citizenship for illegal immigrants.







"We are formulating plans for the legislative agenda for next year," said
White House political strategist Karl Rove. "And immigration will be on that
agenda."
He added: "The president had a meeting this morning to discuss with a
significant member of the Senate the prospect of immigration reform. And he's
going to make it an important item."
While the president was huddling with Mr. McCain, Secretary of State Colin
L. Powell was pushing the plan during a visit to Mexico City.
"The president remains committed to comprehensive immigration reform as a
high priority in his second term," he told a meeting of the U.S.-Mexico
Binational Commission. "We will work closely with our Congress to achieve this
goal."
But key opponents in Congress said Mr. Bush's proposal isn't going
anywhere.
"An amnesty by any other name is still an amnesty, regardless of what the
White House wants to call it," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and
chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.
"Their amnesty plan was dead on arrival when they sent it to the Congress
in January, and if they send the same pig with lipstick back to Congress next
January, it will suffer the same fate," he said.
With the House and Senate already clashing over border security and
deportation provisions in the pending intelligence overhaul bill, some Capitol
Hill aides said it's almost impossible that Congress could agree on a broader
immigration proposal.
Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform
(FAIR), said he "suddenly went from calm to stressed out" after learning of the
president's renewed push for immigration relaxation.
He predicted the plan would continue to meet vigorous opposition from House
Republicans.
"If the House wouldn't deliver this bill before the guy's election, when he
claimed he needed it for the Hispanic vote, why would they deliver it after the
election, when their constituents overwhelmingly oppose it?" he said. "Why
would House leaders follow the president over a cliff?"
White House officials insisted the move was not "payback" to Hispanic
voters who supported Mr. Bush in greater numbers last week than in 2000.
Although the president first proposed relaxing immigration shortly after taking
office, he mothballed the idea after September 11, 2001, and downplayed it on
the campaign trail.
"The president has long believed that reforming our immigration system is a
high priority," White House deputy press secretary Claire Buchan said
yesterday.
Mr. Stein said Mr. Bush is already a "lame duck president" whose
proposal "has no credibility." He expressed astonishment that the president
resurrected the plan before pushing other second-term agenda items, like tax
simplification or Social Security privatization.
"There's a sense of obstinacy in the face of overwhelming evidence that
it's a losing approach," he said. "I mean, the definition of insanity is to
keep doing the same thing, expecting a different result."
Though most members of Congress agree on the need for a guest-worker
program to fill unwanted jobs, House Republican leaders, including Majority
Leader Tom DeLay, Texas Republican, have panned other parts of the president's
proposal as an amnesty.
Mr. Bush has not sent immigration legislation to Congress, though seven
bills have been introduced by members of the House and Senate, according to
Numbers USA, an organization that lobbies for stricter immigration controls.
They range from a proposal to give legal status to fewer than 1 million
agricultural workers to a bill that could legalize most of the estimated 10
million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States. But none of
the bills has passed even one chamber.
Mr. McCain is sponsoring a bill, along with Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake,
both Arizona Republicans, that would go further than the president's principles
by explicitly allowing those now here illegally to enter a guest-worker program
and eventually apply for permanent residence.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the president wants
to "provide a more humane treatment" of illegal aliens from Mexico.
"America has always been a welcoming society, and this is a program that
will match willing workers with willing employers," he said. "It will promote
compassion for workers who right now have no protection."
He added of Mr. Bush: "It's something that he intends to work with members
on to get moving again in the second term. It's something he believes very
strongly in."
Mr. Powell yesterday insisted that security is an important part of his
boss's proposal.
"We must also be innovative in our efforts to stop those who abuse the
openness of our societies along the border, who would use this openness to harm
our citizens through trafficking in drugs, or trafficking in human beings, or
by committing acts of terrorism," Mr. Powell said.
Some on Capitol Hill said Mr. Bush may be emboldened by the fact that he
didn't appear to lose support among conservatives in this year's election, and
several Republicans who did support guest-worker programs defeated primary
challengers, including Mr. Flake, Mr. Kolbe and Rep. Christopher B. Cannon,
Utah Republican.
"I think a lot of members around the country saw those results and realized
that voters are more interested in a serious solution to this problem," said
Mr. Flake's spokesman, Matthew Specht. "So I think that certainly improves the
chances for reform next year."
In a 90-minute interview Sept. 22 with editors and reporters of The
Washington Times, Mr. Rove said a Bush victory would "be an opportunity" for
the president's guest-worker proposal for immigrants, although he declined to
call it a "mandate," as he did on such issues as Social Security reform and tax
cuts.
•Stephen Dinan contributed to this report.