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Wolnosci ludzkie jakie wypracowala nasza cywilizacja od czasow demokracji
Hellenskiej sa w pogardzie w Brukseli, ktora wprowadza Politycznie Poprawny
despotyzm. Nie trzeba siegac do Chin po przyklady despotyzmu. Wdepniemy do unji
i bedziemy mieli despotyzm po uszy. Oto probka z krainy zabojadow:
A blasphemy trial out of the 17th century

Rod Liddle, Wednesday May 29, 2002
The Guardian
God, unlike Stephen Byers, is somehow still clinging on to high office. His
troops have recently become more active upon His behalf. Those of us with weak,
vacillating faiths should probably be glad of this. But I find it worrying.
The French writer Michel Houellebecq is being charged with inciting racial
hatred in an action brought by four French Muslim organisations. Houellebecq's
crime was to state, in an interview, that Islam was "the most stupid of all
religions". I am not sure which bit of Houellebecq's quote the Muslims found
especially irritating; maybe it's the word "most". Perhaps if the writer had
said merely that "Islam is stupid" or "Islam is more stupid than Zoroastrianism
but nowhere near as barking as Sufi mysticism," they would have let him alone.
But probably not.
In any case, the crime for which Houellebecq is being tried - and in which the
French justice system, by allowing it to proceed, is playing the part of
supplicant whore - has nothing to do with racism; it is really a case of
blasphemy, no matter what it says on the charge sheet. This court case, on
September 17, will be an exciting trip back in time, to somewhere round about
the 17th century.
Houellebecq has also been threatened and vilified by Muslims and
white "liberals" for the beliefs and actions of the main character in his
latest book, Platform, due out here in the autumn. The charge again is racism.
So scared has the man been, for himself and for his wife, that he has said he
will write no more. From his rare interviews, he seems quite terrified. We are
back in familiar Rushdie territory. Except on this occasion, the liberal,
western European democracy which is Houellebecq's home has connived with his
aggressors. And even his French publishers reportedly met Muslim community
leaders to assure them that no offence had been intended.
The main character in Platform does indeed have a few nasty things to say about
Muslims. "Every time I heard that a Palestinian terrorist, or a Palestinian
child or a pregnant Palestinian woman had been gunned down in the Gaza strip, I
felt a quiver of enthusiasm...", which, we can all agree, is an unpleasant
sentiment. In the context of the novel, and the appalling act which preceded
that particular bit of narrative, the fictional character's loathing is
entirely explicable and understandable. And, of course, the key word in that
previous sentence is "fictional".
This being a Houellebecq novel, the odium is not reserved exclusively for
Muslims, however. There are Hong Kong Chinese "recognisable from their filthy
manners... spraying bits of food everywhere and blowing their noses between
their fingers - they behave quite literally like pigs".
The Japanese, the Americans, the Germans - they all get it in the neck. It is
probably fair to say that Platform would not necessarily have made book of the
month in Spare Rib, either. There is even a paragraph of bile about Freddie
Forsyth ("that half-wit"). But no death threats or allegations of racism or
sexism or Forsythophobia have come from any of these quarters.
Let's be clear. Criticising the precepts of modern Islam and the resultant
actions of its adherents is not racist. Philosophically, it is the precise
opposite of racism. It is an intellectual position arrived at through a
consideration of ideas, rather than a cruel and irrational prejudice based upon
the colour of someone's skin. If you were to suggest that the Roman Catholic
church had a questionable record on human rights through the ages and, while
we're about it, transubstantiation seems to be pushing it a bit far, nobody
would claim that you were racially abusing the Italians or the Irish and nobody
would take you to court for your point of view. Unless, like Galileo, you were
living in Florence in 1613.
I would even argue that it is racist to describe a mistrust of Islam as racist,
in that it assumes that Muslims are racially heterodox - which, of course, they
are not.
The idea which underpins multiculturalism is simply tolerance. And a splenetic
intolerance of criticism and debate becomes, after a time, corrosive. "Islam is
the most stupid of religions" may not be the most brilliant piece of
theological criticism levelled at Islam since Muhammed ibn Abdallah received
his epiphany in AD 610, but it is not worthy of a court case.
When I read Houellebecq's second novel, Atomised, full of evangelism I rang
Will Self to tell him how good it was. "Oh, Rod," drawled the man, "It's
exactly the sort of book middle-brow people like you think is highbrow."
One-nil to Mr Self. And that tends to be the reaction to Houellebecq, a
straight 50-50 split between those who hail him as a genius and those who
suspect him of dodgy politics and literary charlatanism. But the most enduring
novels of the past 20 years - American Psycho, The Satanic Verses and Atomised -
all had their enraged opponents, howling from the sidelines with a can of
petrol in their hands. It would be a shame if, after the decent and noble stand
made for Salman Rushdie, we were to become suddenly equivocal over Houellebecq
as a result of our new phobia about Islamophobia.

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Gość: mirmat PRZYKLAD DLA ANTYLIBERALOW:W UNJI JAK W CHINACH IP: *.dialup.eol.ca 07.09.02, 20:52

Wolnosci ludzkie jakie wypracowala nasza cywilizacja od czasow demokracji
Hellenskiej sa w pogardzie w Brukseli, ktora wprowadza Politycznie Poprawny
despotyzm. Nie trzeba siegac do Chin po przyklady despotyzmu. Wdepniemy do unji
i bedziemy mieli despotyzm po uszy. Oto probka z krainy zabojadow:
A blasphemy trial out of the 17th century

Rod Liddle, Wednesday May 29, 2002
The Guardian
God, unlike Stephen Byers, is somehow still clinging on to high office. His
troops have recently become more active upon His behalf. Those of us with weak,
vacillating faiths should probably be glad of this. But I find it worrying.
The French writer Michel Houellebecq is being charged with inciting racial
hatred in an action brought by four French Muslim organisations. Houellebecq's
crime was to state, in an interview, that Islam was "the most stupid of all
religions". I am not sure which bit of Houellebecq's quote the Muslims found
especially irritating; maybe it's the word "most". Perhaps if the writer had
said merely that "Islam is stupid" or "Islam is more stupid than Zoroastrianism
but nowhere near as barking as Sufi mysticism," they would have let him alone.
But probably not.
In any case, the crime for which Houellebecq is being tried - and in which the
French justice system, by allowing it to proceed, is playing the part of
supplicant whore - has nothing to do with racism; it is really a case of
blasphemy, no matter what it says on the charge sheet. This court case, on
September 17, will be an exciting trip back in time, to somewhere round about
the 17th century.
Houellebecq has also been threatened and vilified by Muslims and
white "liberals" for the beliefs and actions of the main character in his
latest book, Platform, due out here in the autumn. The charge again is racism.
So scared has the man been, for himself and for his wife, that he has said he
will write no more. From his rare interviews, he seems quite terrified. We are
back in familiar Rushdie territory. Except on this occasion, the liberal,
western European democracy which is Houellebecq's home has connived with his
aggressors. And even his French publishers reportedly met Muslim community
leaders to assure them that no offence had been intended.
The main character in Platform does indeed have a few nasty things to say about
Muslims. "Every time I heard that a Palestinian terrorist, or a Palestinian
child or a pregnant Palestinian woman had been gunned down in the Gaza strip, I
felt a quiver of enthusiasm...", which, we can all agree, is an unpleasant
sentiment. In the context of the novel, and the appalling act which preceded
that particular bit of narrative, the fictional character's loathing is
entirely explicable and understandable. And, of course, the key word in that
previous sentence is "fictional".
This being a Houellebecq novel, the odium is not reserved exclusively for
Muslims, however. There are Hong Kong Chinese "recognisable from their filthy
manners... spraying bits of food everywhere and blowing their noses between
their fingers - they behave quite literally like pigs".
The Japanese, the Americans, the Germans - they all get it in the neck. It is
probably fair to say that Platform would not necessarily have made book of the
month in Spare Rib, either. There is even a paragraph of bile about Freddie
Forsyth ("that half-wit"). But no death threats or allegations of racism or
sexism or Forsythophobia have come from any of these quarters.
Let's be clear. Criticising the precepts of modern Islam and the resultant
actions of its adherents is not racist. Philosophically, it is the precise
opposite of racism. It is an intellectual position arrived at through a
consideration of ideas, rather than a cruel and irrational prejudice based upon
the colour of someone's skin. If you were to suggest that the Roman Catholic
church had a questionable record on human rights through the ages and, while
we're about it, transubstantiation seems to be pushing it a bit far, nobody
would claim that you were racially abusing the Italians or the Irish and nobody
would take you to court for your point of view. Unless, like Galileo, you were
living in Florence in 1613.
I would even argue that it is racist to describe a mistrust of Islam as racist,
in that it assumes that Muslims are racially heterodox - which, of course, they
are not.
The idea which underpins multiculturalism is simply tolerance. And a splenetic
intolerance of criticism and debate becomes, after a time, corrosive. "Islam is
the most stupid of religions" may not be the most brilliant piece of
theological criticism levelled at Islam since Muhammed ibn Abdallah received
his epiphany in AD 610, but it is not worthy of a court case.
When I read Houellebecq's second novel, Atomised, full of evangelism I rang
Will Self to tell him how good it was. "Oh, Rod," drawled the man, "It's
exactly the sort of book middle-brow people like you think is highbrow."
One-nil to Mr Self. And that tends to be the reaction to Houellebecq, a
straight 50-50 split between those who hail him as a genius and those who
suspect him of dodgy politics and literary charlatanism. But the most enduring
novels of the past 20 years - American Psycho, The Satanic Verses and Atomised -
all had their enraged opponents, howling from the sidelines with a can of
petrol in their hands. It would be a shame if, after the decent and noble stand
made for Salman Rushdie, we were to become suddenly equivocal over Houellebecq
as a result of our new phobia about Islamophobia.
- Gość: Wprost A ty dlaczego nie wyemigrowales do Kanady IP: *.proxy.aol.com 07.09.02, 22:41
  
  Minimacie, opowiadasz hiperciekawe rzeczy! Czegos takiego jeszcze nie slyszalem!
  Powiedz dlaczego ty biedaku jestes w Kanadzie, a nie na Ukrainie? Bylbys mniej
  sfrudtrowany i wolniejszy umyslowo.
  - Gość: mirmat Alez WYJECHALEM i nie chce wrocic do KOMISAROW IP: *.dialup.eol.ca 07.09.02, 23:43
    
    Propagandzisci unijnego anschlussu uzywajac pieniedzy Polskiego podatnika w
    swoich telewizyjnych reklamowkach wskazuja na Wladywostok jako alternatywe dla
    panowania Brukselskich komisarzy. Ty sugerujesz Ukraine !! (?) Co za brak
    koordynacji wsrod fanatykow Unijnego dyktatu. To wysylanie ludzi na koniec
    swiata traci jezeli nie komuna to carskimi kibitkami. No ale ty kompletnie juz
    sie skolowales. W tytule pytasz sie czemu NIE wyemigrowalem do Kanady w tekscie
    czemu WYEMIGROWALEM ???
    
    Zeby ci pomoc, jestem w Kanadzie, a sfrustowany jestem tym, ze moj planowany
    powrot na Ojczyzny lono moze byc utrudniony z powodu wchloniecie mojego Kraju
    do Zwiazku Socjalistycznych Republik Europejskich.

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