Co to sie w Hutzpalandzie wyprawia!

[fredzio54]

Byl taki Katolik Arzbiskup Kapucz zlapalem go Z TNT potem siedzial unas w Pudle
a papiez polski go wyzwolil
Taki kosial takie Goje gnoje modla sie do zyda ale chetnie morduja

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Fredek, juz cie wypuscili?
Ja sie balem ze cie zamkneli po tej aferze z rosyjskimi panienkami. Podobno
zapuszkowali 40 twoich kolegow. To jak, wyszedles za kaucja?

Ciekawy raport (oczywiscie antysemicki)

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No coz, nie wszyscy zydzi w Izraelu sa tak zaslepieni jak nasze forumowe
towazydostwo.
Ministerstwo spraw zagranicznych Izraela ostrzega rzad iz reszta swiata a
zwlaszcza Europa ma dosc tej hutzpy i ze grozi to Hutzpalandowi zajeciem
miejca ktore miala dawna RPA. Hutzpaland coraz bardziej jest postrzegany jako
rasistowski, sztuczny twor, a jego polityka prowadzi do niekonczacych sie
konfliktow. Powoli w Europie zaczyna sie uwazac, ze Izrael to nieudany
eksperyment. Tylko dokad ci Zydzi wyjada?





Foreign Ministry warns Israel, Europe on collision course

By Haaretz Service and the Associated Press



A secret report prepared by the Foreign Ministry warns that Israel's global
standing could deteriorate in the coming decade and could even resemble the
pariah status of apartheid South Africa.




According to the document, which was written in August by the ministry's Center
for Political Research, Israel and Europe will find themselves on a collision
course that will cause serious economic and diplomatic damage to Israel.

Israel could become increasingly isolated in the coming years if Europe becomes
more influential, the Foreign Ministry report says.

"In extreme circumstances, this could put Israel on a collision course with the
European Union. Such a collision course holds the risk of Israel losing
international legitimacy and could lead to its isolation, in the manner of
South Africa," according to the document.

"The EU could sharpen its expectation that Israel will comply with
international norms ... and honor the authority of the United Nations and its
agencies - an issue that has the potential of leading to friction," the
analysts wrote.

The document says the EU is pushing to become a major global player in the next
decade, and that as a result, the United States, Israel's main ally, could lose
international influence.

In light of ongoing European criticism of Israeli policies in the West Bank and
Gaza Strip, a more powerful Europe could weaken Israel's position.

The paper also examines various scenarios for the development of Israel's
relationship with Europe and Russia.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom has repeatedly warned that Israel has to work to
strengthen ties with Europe, which also accuses of pro-Palestinian bias, and
has expressed concerns over a growing wave of anti-Semitism in parts of Europe.

The report says a new form of anti-Semitism is developing in Europe, one which
denies Israel's legitimacy as a sovereign Jewish state.

EU officials in Brussels said that while the EU and Israel have sound relations
in the areas of trade and scientific research, they have very definite
differences of opinion over Middle East peacemaking.

They also said the EU is seeking more of a say.

"Regarding the Middle East peace process and our relations with Israel and the
Palestinians, there is no doubt that the role of the EU has increased," said
Christina Gallach, a spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

"We have had difficult moments [with Israel] when we responded to things like
the West Bank wall and now what is happening in Gaza," Gallach said, referring
to the separation fence in the West Bank and the ongoing major military
offensive in northern Gaza.

Europe fiercely objects to the route of the fence, and EU foreign ministers
called this week for the Israel Defense Forces to withdraw from the northern
Strip.

Gallach said the Israeli government wants to broaden the relationship with
Europe, without giving the EU a bigger role in resolving the conflict.

"The situation is not easy but we have a lot of investment, especially in
Europe, that is important to all of us," Foreign Ministry director-general Ron
Prushor told Army Radio on Wednesday.

"When it comes to our economy, which is geared towards developing markets, we
are talking about a scope of trade totaling $22 billion."

Fredzio, czy ty tez masz abonament?

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To pewnie tez nieprawda, tylko czyste manipulanctwo. Zaraz Danale opisze nam
jak to wyglada w rzeczywistosci, bo ten Szot to antysemitnik do potegi i lze
jak goi!

Fragment:
()
Uczuciowe kanalie nie drą chałatów na wieść, że niewolnictwo prosperuje w ich
kraju jak w "Chacie wuja Toma". Nie obchodzi ich, że żydowscy sutenerzy są
panami na żywym towarze. Mało zużyta panna, trzymana bez paszportu i pod
kluczem, kosztuje na damskiej giełdzie w mieście Beer Szewie 10–15 tys. dolarów
i szybko się zwraca inwestorowi z Tel Awiwu robiąc pod 25–30 Żydami na dobę.
Uciec nie może, bo na ulicy czyhają policjanci wyłuskujący z tłumu burdelowe
panny kierując się słomkowym kolorem włosów i niebieskimi oczami. Dokładnie na
odwrót rozróżniano uciekinierów z getta na ulicach okupowanej Warszawy,
padających łupem szmalcowników z winy czarnych włosów i semickich oczu.

Izraelski patent XXI wieku, abonament na bezgotówkową kopulację, ma korzenie
głęboko wrośnięte w żydowską his-torię. Formatem, kolorem i rodzajem druku
przypomina do złudzenia kartki na chleb wydawane przez Judenrad w warszawskim
getcie. Żeby mieć więcej kuponów umożliwiających wolniejsze puchnięcie z głodu,
rodziny zmarłych Żydów ukrywały zwłoki, póki się dało i nie śmierdziało.

www.nie.com.pl/main.php?dzial=akt&id=3363&zaznacz=Michael%20Szot

Tylko Hutzpaland i Rosja woli Busha

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Poll reveals world anger at Bush


reszta swiata ma go wybitnie po dziurki w nosie.




Eight out of 10 countries favour Kerry for president

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday October 15, 2004

George Bush has squandered a wealth of sympathy around the world towards
America since September 11 with public opinion in 10 leading countries -
including some of its closest allies - growing more hostile to the United
States while he has been in office.
According to a survey, voters in eight out of the 10 countries, including
Britain, want to see the Democrat challenger, John Kerry, defeat President Bush
in next month's US presidential election.

The poll, conducted by 10 of the world's leading newspapers, including France's
Le Monde, Japan's Asahi Shimbun, Canada's La Presse, the Sydney Morning Herald
and the Guardian, also shows that on balance world opinion does not believe
that the war in Iraq has made a positive contribution to the fight against
terror.

The results show that in Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Japan, Spain and
South Korea a majority of voters share a rejection of the Iraq invasion,
contempt for the Bush administration, a growing hostility to the US and a not-
too-strong endorsement of Mr Kerry. But they all make a clear distinction
between this kind of anti-Americanism and expressing a dislike of American
people. On average 68% of those polled say they have a favourable opinion of
Americans.

The 10-country poll suggests that rarely has an American administration faced
such isolation and lack of public support amongst its closest allies.

The only exceptions to this trend are the Israelis - who back Bush 2-1 over
Kerry and see the US as their security umbrella - and the Russians who, despite
their traditional anti-Americanism, recorded unexpectedly favourable attitudes
towards the US in the survey conducted in the immediate aftermath of the Beslan
tragedy.

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The UK results of the poll conducted by ICM research for the Guardian reveal a
growing disillusionment with the US amongst the British public, fuelled by a
strong personal antipathy towards Mr Bush.

The ICM survey shows that if the British had a vote in the US presidential
elections on November 2 they would vote 50% for Kerry and only 22% for Bush.

Sixty per cent of British voters say they don't like Bush, rising to a
startling 77% among those under 25.

The rejection of Mr Bush is strongest in France where 72% say they would back
Mr Kerry but it is also very strong in traditionally very pro-American South
Korea, where fears of a pre-emptive US strike against North Korea have
translated into 68% support for Mr Kerry.

In Britain the growth in anti-Americanism is not so marked as in France, Japan,
Canada, South Korea or Spain where more than 60% say their view of the United
States has deteriorated since September 11. But a sizeable and emerging
minority - 45% - of British voters say their image of the US has got worse in
the past three years and only 15% say it has improved.

There is a widespread agreement that America will remain the world's largest
economic power.

This is underlined by the 73% of British voters who say that the US now wields
an excessive influence on international affairs, a situation that 67% see as
continuing for the foreseeable future.

A majority in Britain also believe that US democracy is no longer a model for
others.

But perhaps a more startling finding from the Guardian/ICM poll is that a
majority of British voters - 51% - say that they believe that American culture
is threatening our own culture.

This is a fear shared by the Canadians, Mexicans and South Koreans, but it is
more usually associated with the French than the British. Perhaps the endless
television reruns of Friends and the Simpsons are beginning to take their toll.

· ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,008 adults aged 18 and over by telephone
between September 22-23 2004. Interviews were conducted across the country and
the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.

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Kwach tez juz go ma dosc?Naobiecywal busz kwasowi ten wydal chlopcow na pozarcie
aby rzydostwa erecoeskiego bronili.Wiadomo-rzyd glowy nadstawial nie bedzie -
zrobi hutzpe na inne kraje terroryzm wyeksportuje placac fanatykom islamskim
i tak sie swiat daje w ciula robic.
Jest jednak troche madrych co to rozszyfrowali nalezycie.Kwach-rzyd oczywiscie
z rzydami trzyma.

Aktywisci pokojowi napadli na kolonistow

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Israeli Settlers Step Up
Attacks On Peace Activists
By Nir Hasson
Haaretz.com
10-15-4

Five international peace activists were attacked last Saturday when escorting
Palestinian children to school in the village of Al-Tuwani in the southern
Hebron hills, on a route that passes between the settlement of Maon and the
outpost called Maon Ranch. An Italian peace volunteer and an Amnesty
International member required medical treatment after being badly beaten with
clubs.

This is the latest of three attacks on volunteers perpetrated in the past
month.

Kim Lamberty, an American volunteer with Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT),
described the first attack against members of her organization on September
29: "We were escorting five children to school, when five masked figures
dressed in black jumped out at us. The children began to run. I was knocked
down and beat with a chain. I lay immobile so they would think I was dead."

Lamberty's arm and leg were broken. Her colleague Chris Brown was also
hospitalized with a punctured lung. Last Wednesday, rocks were thrown at a
single volunteer, who escaped unharmed.

Police say the attacks are not spontaneous outbreaks of violence, but rather
the work of a well-organized group, whose members wear black, don ski masks and
arm themselves with wooden clubs, chains and rocks. Jewish settlers in the area
have long been harassing Palestinian residents. Palestinian children are afraid
to go to school and many have dropped out.

The recent attacks are seen as an intensification of the violence. "Until now
we were subjected to stone-throwing and spontaneous actions, but not a planned
ambush," says Rabbi Arik Ascherman of Rabbis for Human Rights, another
organization active in the area.

Activists also complain about police apathy to the attacks. "We lay waiting
there for half an hour before the police came. We could have easily been
killed," says Lamberty. No suspects have been detained yet "but if the
assailants were Arabs they would have arrested the whole village and found
those guilty" says Ezra Nawi, an activist with Ta'ayush Arab-Jewish
partnership.

Over the past week the Israel Defense Forces has been discussing solutions with
the residents of Tuba and with the peace activists. The IDF is demanding that
the international volunteers leave, promising that soldiers would take over the
job of escorting the children safely to school. But Palestinian children are
afraid of the soldiers. "We don't trust the IDF to keep up the routine either,"
Nawi said.

© Copyright 2004 Haaretz. All rights reserved
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/488992.html

Rekord hutzpy pobity kolejny raz

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Hutzpiarstwo nie przestanie mnie zaskakiwac!!!!
Armia zawiesila w sluzbie oficera ktory podsaedl do palestynskiej dziewczynki i
wladowal w nia caly magazynek.
Teraz najlepsze!!!
Zawiesili go nie za to co zrobil, a za to ze narazil swoja cenna osobe na cel
dla snajperow!!!!!!

Niech mi ktos wyjasni gdzie lezy granica bezczelnosci tych hutzpiarzy?

Ya'alon suspends officer who allegedly shot at dead girl

By Amos Harel and Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondents



IDF Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon approved on Friday the suspension of Captain
R., a company commander who is suspected of firing several rounds of ammunition
into the prone body of a 13-year-old Palestinian girl who was shot earlier by
troops.




Ya'alon reached his decision after he heard a debriefing on the investigation
by the Southern Command. The reason for the suspension, however, was attributed
to faults in the officer's conduct and not to the nature of the shooting.

A final decision on the fate of the officer is expected next week. Officers
from the Givati Brigade assessed that the officer will be removed from his
position of company commander.

Iman al-Hams was shot by troops in the southern Gaza Strip over a week ago. In
an internal probe, a team concluded that there was no evidence to support
claims by some of the soldiers that their commanding officer fired rounds into
the dead girl's body. The claim will be the subject of a military police
investigation which has already been launched.

Commanders who conducted the probe found faults in the officer's conduct. They
pointed to his decision to leave the outpost despite security warnings that
anyone leaving the safety of the outpost could be targeted by sharpshooters.

Soldiers serving in the officer's company told the Yedioth Aharonot daily that
the commander shot at the girl from a distance, and later approached the body
and proceeded to empty an entire magazine, including shots to the head, despite
the fact he saw she was a girl.

The IDF said that if claims by the soldiers are found to be true, the officer
will face disciplinary action.



Ya'alon suspends officer who allegedly shot at dead girl

By Amos Harel and Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondents



IDF Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon approved on Friday the suspension of Captain
R., a company commander who is suspected of firing several rounds of ammunition
into the prone body of a 13-year-old Palestinian girl who was shot earlier by
troops.




Ya'alon reached his decision after he heard a debriefing on the investigation
by the Southern Command. The reason for the suspension, however, was attributed
to faults in the officer's conduct and not to the nature of the shooting.

A final decision on the fate of the officer is expected next week. Officers
from the Givati Brigade assessed that the officer will be removed from his
position of company commander.

Iman al-Hams was shot by troops in the southern Gaza Strip over a week ago. In
an internal probe, a team concluded that there was no evidence to support
claims by some of the soldiers that their commanding officer fired rounds into
the dead girl's body. The claim will be the subject of a military police
investigation which has already been launched.

Commanders who conducted the probe found faults in the officer's conduct. They
pointed to his decision to leave the outpost despite security warnings that
anyone leaving the safety of the outpost could be targeted by sharpshooters.

Soldiers serving in the officer's company told the Yedioth Aharonot daily that
the commander shot at the girl from a distance, and later approached the body
and proceeded to empty an entire magazine, including shots to the head, despite
the fact he saw she was a girl.

The IDF said that if claims by the soldiers are found to be true, the officer
will face disciplinary action.

Tolerancja religijna w jedynej demokracji na BW

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Ultra-Orthodox Jews
'Must Stop Religious Abuse'
By Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
The Observer - UK
10-17-4

Jerusalem's Christian community has demanded that Jewish leaders and the
Israeli government take action against what they claim is growing harassment of
their clergy by religious Jews.

Christians say ultra-Orthodox Jewish students spit at them or at the ground
when they pass. There have also been acts of vandalism against statues of the
Virgin Mary.

The harassment came to a head last week when a Jewish student spat at Armenian
Archbishop Nourhan Manougian and ripped off his crucifix, whereupon the
archbishop slapped him. The police questioned both men.

Mainstream Israeli opinion has been revolted by the revelations of the abuse of
Christian clergy. Avraham Poraz, the interior minister, condemned the trend of
spitting at the cross and those wearing it, saying it was 'intolerable' and
that he was 'revolted' by it. A former chief rabbi also voiced his outrage.

All the Christian groups complain of harassment, but the Armenians bear the
brunt. Armenian clergymen said that, when they complained to the interior
minister seven months ago, he told them: 'Most Jews have a big problem with
them as well.'

The 3,000-strong community live in the Armenian quarter and many Jews walk
through it on their way from west Jerusalem to the Wailing Wall or Western
Wall.

Father Pakrad Bourjekian, a spokesman for the Armenian church, said the attack
was an extreme example of the harassment they receive every day. 'Every day the
fanatical Jews turn their face to the wall or spit on the ground or at us when
they see the crucifix,' he said.

The Christians admit that it is only a minority who carry out the abuse, but
they feel that the issue is being ignored by religious leaders.

Bishop Aris Shirvanian of the Armenian church said: 'The majority are courteous
or indifferent. The problem is the very religious. It's a question of
education. What must these people be learning to behave like this?'

The old city of Jerusalem is buzzing with rumours that young Armenians will
take revenge for the attack and the daily indignities suffered by their
priests.

Bishop Aris acknowledged that there was a danger of reprisals. 'We are trying
to control our young people and we are succeeding. But the question is that
there is no one in the Jewish community trying to control their fanatics,' he
said.

Father Pakrad added: 'There is no hierarchy. Anyone can become a rabbi, set up
an institution, get funds from abroad and teach what they like.'

Jerusalem has always been a city of conflict. Even the old Christian churches -
the Armenian, Orthodox, Coptic, Syrian, Ethiopian and Catholic - are known for
their disputes, which regularly result in brawls.

In the current dispute, the Muslims, the old city's biggest group, are for once
not involved. 'I do not think these Jews would dare spit at a Muslim sheikh;
the whole city would explode. We are only a small group, so it easy to bully
us,' said Bishop Aris.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

www.guardian.co.uk/israel
/Story/0,2763,1329380,00.html

Wiadomo kto wmanewrowal USA w te idiotyczna wojne.

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Father's former advisor blasts younger Bush
U.S. president 'mesmerized' by Israeli leader, Scowcroft says


WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. national security adviser under former president
George Bush said the current president acted contemptuously toward NATO and
Europe after Sept. 11, 2001 and is trying to co-operate now out of
desperation to "rescue a failing venture" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Brent Scowcroft, a mentor to current national security adviser, Condoleezza
Rice, also said in an interview published in England that Bush is
inordinately influenced by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger," Scowcroft told
London's Financial Times newspaper.

"I think the president is mesmerized."

Scowcroft said the Bush administration's "unilateralist" position was partly
responsible for the post-Sept. 11 decline of the transatlantic relationship.

"It's in general bad," he said.

"It's not really hostile but there's an edge to it."

Early on, he said: "We had gotten contemptuous of Europeans and their
weaknesses. We had really turned unilateral."

Although slightly diminished since then, the unilateralist policies remain
fundamentally little changed, Scowcroft said. Recent U.S. overtures to co-
operate in Afghanistan and Iraq with the United Nations and NATO were "as
much an act of desperation as anything else...to rescue a failing venture."

On Israel and Sharon, the former security adviser said Sharon calls Bush
after strongly retaliating for a Palestinian suicide attack and says: "`I'm
on the front line of terrorism' and the president says: `Yes, you are."'

Scowcroft said Sharon "has been nothing but trouble."

Dzien zaplaty sie zbliza

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'When We Came Back They
Had Destroyed All The Houses'
By Chris McGreal at Jabaliya refugee camp
The Guardian - UK
10-18-4

The Israeli general who commanded the destruction of the only Jewish settlement
in the Sinai before it was returned to Egypt recently offered Ariel Sharon
advice on how to carry out his pledge to remove settlers from the Gaza strip.

"Evicting someone from the home they've lived in for 20 years isn't a simple
matter," wrote Brigadier General Obed Tira. "To remove a family from its home
is embarrassing and difficult, and that is why the removal needs to be done
with a lot of love and a lot of wisdom."

The soldiers who arrived outside the home of Ghalia Abu Radwan, her
octogenarian parents, blind siblings and assortment of children in Khan Yunis
in the middle of the night showed no love, and, if they were embarrassed, there
was no way to know it because they were hidden behind the armour of their
bulldozers and tanks.

As the loudspeakers on the tanks ordered the families out, and bursts of
gunfire sharpened the terror, Mrs Abu Radwan shepherded her blind brother and
sister to safety.

"I grabbed them by the hand and shouted to my mother to follow us," said Mrs
Abu Radwan. "Think of it - 25 children, two blind adults and my parents who
cannot run. My sister-in-law left her three year-old behind in the chaos and
had to go back to get him. When we came back they had destroyed all the
houses."

Mrs Abu Radwan's mother, Ommuhammed, said she thought she would also die.

"I kept imagining a piece of shrapnel hitting my head. I was so exhausted I had
to crawl in the sand sometimes or put my hand on Ghalia's shoulder and let her
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"Since 1948, the Israelis have demolished three of my homes. This is the most
difficult because before others helped us rebuild but now everyone needs help
and I don't know who will help us."

While Mr Sharon agonises over how to draw 7,500 Jewish settlers out of Israel's
Gaza colonies - offering hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation to
each family - the army has already bulldozed close to 9,000 Palestinians from
their homes in the Gaza strip this year alone.

Most got no more than a few minutes notice to get out and lost all but the
possessions they could hurriedly bundle together.

The latest target was Jabaliya refugee camp near Gaza city. From dawn on
Saturday the people came, trying to find their bearings amid the rubble and
then scrambling across the sand where once there was an asphalt road.

A man ripped at the remains of his shattered home in search of anything that
could be saved, burrowing out a picture, some clothes, a schoolbook. Another
collapsed on to the wreckage, stunned and silent.

The tide began as soon as it was clear that Israeli tanks had pulled out of
Jabaliya after 17 days of destruction and killing. The bulldozers left behind
dozens of flattened homes and hundreds homeless.

The remains of the mosque were marked by its twisted steel minaret and
loudspeakers. A sewage line torn from the ground spewed filth as people
attempted to jump it. The only clue to the existence of a small orange grove
was a few of the scattered fruits.

The scale of the destruction - about 20 acres of homes, shops and roads razed
or ground into the sand - matched the Israelis' controversial assault on Jenin
refugee camp two years ago. But the death toll in Jabaliya was double that with
about 130 people killed, one in six of them children 15 or younger.

Within hours of pulling out of Jabaliya, the army's bulldozers were at work
again in another Gaza refugee camp, Rafah.

"One would have thought that the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip would
decrease house demolitions," said Kenneth Ross, director of Human Rights Watch,
after visiting Jabaliya.

"In fact, house demolitions have risen dramatically. This seems to reflect on
the one hand a political show of force and Sharon's desire not to be seen to
withdraw under fire, but also part of his vision to create a buffer zone along
the Egyptian border. It is also part of a wider pattern of punishing
civilians."

A United Nations human rights report on the Israeli occupation to be presented
to the general assembly this month accuses Israel of "massive and wanton
destruction of property" in the Gaza strip.

"Bulldozers have destroyed homes in a purposeless manner and have savagely dug
up roads, including electricity, sewage and water lines," it says.

Most of the destruction is focused on Rafah, along Gaza's border with Egypt,
and neighbouring Khan Yunis refugee camp.

But in recent weeks there has also been widespread destruction of homes as the
army widened the "security zone" around Netzarim Jewish settlement, and in the
Palestinian towns of Beit Hanoun and Beit Lehia.

The pummelling of Rafah in May left about 4,000 people homeless. Four years
ago, buildings in the refugee camp ran right up to the military area on the
border, known as the Philadelphi road. Half of Rafah's Block O neighbourhood
has since been destroyed.

Even after Israel pulls its settlers and soldiers out of the Gaza strip, it
will remain the occupying power under international law, and it intends to
strengthen its grip on the territory's borders. The disengagement plan speaks
of "widening the area" along the Philadelphi road.

"So far about 10% of Rafah is destroyed and if Israeli plans are carried
through, approximately a third of Rafah will be destroyed," said Mr Ross.

With the destruction comes death. In July, a 75 year-old man in a wheelchair,
Ibrahim Halfalla, was crushed to death under the rubble of his Khan Yunis home
by an army bulldozer because he did not get out in time.

As Mrs Abu Radwan and her family fled, the army shot dead a 60-year-old
neighbour, Ahmad Abu-Nimer, as he fled. Two other men were wounded by gunfire.

Israel says the demolitions meet the international legal requirement of
military necessity because homes are destroyed in the hunt for weapons
smuggling tunnels or because they are used by Palestinian combatants to attack
Israeli forces.

The UN and Human Rights Watch say that is merely an excuse. They say it would
be more efficient, and safer for Israeli troops, to detect and close off the
tunnels behind the protective wall the military has built along the border by
using listening devices and ground penetrating radar.

They add that the number of tunnels found is relatively small in comparison to
the number of buildings destroyed.

The army claims to have uncovered 90, but that number includes several
entrances to the same tunnel and the beginnings of wells.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

www.guardian.co.uk/israel
/Story/0,2763,1329830,00.html

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The uniqueness claim also gives Jews an undeserved "sovereignty over suffering"
and Hitler a place in demonology categorically different from Stalin, Mao Tse
Tung or Pol Pot. This political correctness has become so extreme on some
campuses that to compare the Nazi death camps with an atrocity such as the
slaughter of 10 million Africans in the Congo as a result of the Belgian ivory
and rubber trade, is met with accusations of Holocaust denial.

Izraelscy bohaterowie - tfu!

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No ladnie.....

"What Israel needs is a real democracy. The day when there will be a
Palestinian prime minister and head of Mossad, I will be proud to belong to
this country. But for now, Israel is a racist Jewish state where an anti-
Palestinian apartheid reigns. I no longer want live in Israel. "

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Britain now has, for example, an official Holocaust Day. Why not a day
dedicated, say, to the (British) destruction of the natives of Tasmania? Is it
because that subject is a bit more ambiguous, a bit harder to digest?
Peculiarly, the legal definition of "war crime" in Britain is limited to those
committed by Nazis. What about former Stalinist, or Rwandan, or Serbian war
criminals resident in Britain? Is it that we were not always quite on the side
of the angels when Stalinist, Rwandan, or Serbian massacres were taking place?

Rowni i rowniejsi

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!!!

Bo widzisz sa ofiary i ofiary. Jedne sa lepsze, inne ofiary sa gorsze.
Oczywiscie te najlepsze ofiary, to ofiary narodu wybranego - przy tych ofiarach
inne nie maja zadnych szans. Zydzi maja patent i calkowita wylacznosc na ofiary.
Jezeli napiszesz o jakichs milionach zabitych powiedzmy gdzies w Afryce i
uzyjesz slowa Holokaust - masz przechlapane. Jest to cos takiego
jak "Nike", "Mercedes", "sony" znak zastrzezony i nie mozna go innym uzywac.
Przynajmniej tak twierdzi hutzpiarstwo. Zreszta nie odnosi sie to tylko do
tego. Gdziekolwiek bys nie spojrzal, to kazdy Zyd powie ci ze wprawdzie wszyscy
ludzie sa rowni, ale Zydzi sa "specjalnie rowni" lub "najrowniejsi".

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Aby to zbalansowac powiem ze sa jednak "normalni" Zydzi i do tych jestem pelen
szacunku. Jak np ten izraelsk pilot:




THE man who "didn't walk by" is Yonatan Shapira, until recently pilot of a
Blackhawk helicopter and captain in the elite Israeli Air Force. I met Yonatan
not many days ago when he came to speak in my town, Montpelier, Vermont, about
a major turning point in his life.

Yonatan is a lover of his country, a composer, and a handler of extraordinary
machines. He was dismissed from Israel's air force in 2003 because he refused
to take part in aerial attacks in areas of the Occupied Territories of
Palestine where there exist large concentrations of civilians liable to become
a "collateral damage." In Yonatan's view, such attacks are both illegal and
immoral because of the near-inevitability of their killing innocent civilians.
In support of his position, Yonatan cites the authority of the Israeli army's
own code of ethical behavior, and the fact that, (by a recent reckoning) of
2,289 Palestinians killed by the Israeli Defense Forces in the current
Intifada, less than a quarter (550) were bearing arms or were fighters.

At the same time, Yonatan has declared himself absolutely ready to fight in the
defense of Israel proper.


* * *

Yonatan was shocked into his refusal to obey orders by two occurrences, among
others.

One was the action of a fellow Israeli pilot who fired a 1-ton bomb from his
F16 fighter jet, as ordered, at a house in Al-Deredg, where a suspected
Palestinian terrorist was staying. Yonatan identifies Al-Deredg as one of the
most crowded districts of Gaza, and indeed of the world. Besides the targeted
Palestinian, 13 local people were killed in that attack: 2 men, 2 women, and 9
children, one of whom was 2 years old. 160 other people were wounded in the
explosion. A 1-ton bomb, Yonatan calculates, has approximately 100 times the
explosive power of the type of lethal belts worn by Palestinian suicide
bombers. In proportion to the US population and the fatalities of the original
9/11 disaster, now an icon and classic measure of terrorist devastation, the
fatalities of that single attack on tiny Gaza (population 1,200,000) were
greater by 10% than the fatalities in America's own 9/11.

Nor was the bombing of Al-Deredg unique in the scale of its impact on civilian
life. Yonatan has cited the casualties resulting from 7 other targeted
assassinations conducted in Palestine by the Israel Defense Forces, where,
along with 7 other targeted individuals, 44 bystanders were killed. Taking
Palestine's overall population at 3,500,000 and that of the US at 290 million,
those 44 bystander deaths would represent, in proportion to the US population,
another one and a-third 9/11's.

As a volunteer in Selah, a group that assists victims of Palestinian terror,
Yonatan has first-hand knowledge of the appalling effects of the multiple 9/11-
scale attacks that Israel has itself experienced, at the hands of Palestinian
terrorists. He was nevertheless or consequently appalled by the action in Al-
Deredg of his fellow pilot. He considered the means used in the attack, a 1-ton
bomb, and its goal, the assassination of one man, to be wildly disproportionate
to the attack's predictable collateral effects, and a violation of the rules of
engagement concerning which all Israeli soldiers are instructed. Those rules,
as Yonatan has understood them, include the obligation to refuse to obey orders
that are clearly illegal and immoral.

The other occurrence Yonatan cited, that pushed him to become a refuser, came
out of a disturbing exchange he had with the commander of the Israeli Air
Force, General Dan Halutz, concerning his refusal to serve on a mission in the
Occupied Territories. In Yonatan's words:

In the discussion of my dismissal, I asked General Halutz if he would allow the
firing of missiles from an Apache helicopter on a car carrying wanted men, if
it were traveling in the streets of Tel Aviv, in the knowledge that that action
would hurt innocent civilians who happened to be passing at the time. In
answer, the general gave me his list of relative values of people, as he sees
it, from the Jewish person who is superior down to the blood of an Arab which
is inferior. As simple as that.

As simple as that.

Yonatan is convinced that actions like those of his fellow-pilot and attitudes
like those of his commanding general are destroying Israel from within,
whatever their effect on Palestine.


* * *

smacznego

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jedyna demagogia, ups chcialem napisac demokracja..........
www.meals4israel.com./

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Izraelski Min Spraw Zagranicznych Szalom skrytykowal Europe.
A moj pies zaszczekal.


FM criticizes EU decision to sign cooperation treaty with Syria

By The Associated Press



BRUSSELS, Belgium - Syria was scheduled Tuesday to sign a wide-ranging
agreement on political and economic cooperation with the European Union after
more than five years of negotiations long stalled over the issue of weapons of
mass destruction.




The Hebrew daily Maariv reported that Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom criticized
the EU decision to wrap up the deal. The report said Shalom noted the United
States was stepping up pressure on Syria, one of seven countries branded by the
U.S. State Department as a sponsor of terrorism.

The "Association Agreement" is similar to those the EU has already concluded
with Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Algeria,
Lebanon and Morocco as part of a plan to build trade and political ties across
the Mediterranean Sea.

Syria's was delayed by its reluctance to sign up to a clause committing to the
nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction that the EU has insisted upon
in all such agreements since late 2003.

Negotiators wrapped up a deal last month by rewording the clause to satisfy
both sides. EU officials declined to release the exact wording ahead of the
signing of the document but said it was in keeping with the Union's demands.

Under the agreement, both sides commit to eradicating trade barriers over the
next 12 years. Other clauses seek to make it easier for companies from both
sides to invest and compete in each other's markets. The EU is Syria's biggest
export market.

"If we invest this agreement correctly, benefits would certainly be huge," the
Syrian state-run daily Tishrin said in an editorial.

The agreement also sets up regular political talks on issues such as
counterterrorism, immigration, drug smuggling and human rights.

It will free up an $100 million EU aid package aimed mostly at boosting
economic reforms in Syria over the next two years.

Apart from Algeria, Syria is the only one of the EU's Mediterranean partners
that regularly records a trade surplus with the bloc, mainly thanks to oil.

EU exports to Syria in 2003 stood at around $2.7 billion, while Syria exported
$3.9 billion to the European bloc.

The EU accounts for 30 percent of Syrian imports and 55 percent of its
exports.

interesujacy link, z ktorego

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australijski zafajdaniec czerpie swoja "wiedze"..... miedzy innymi, oczywiscie..

www.libertyforum.org

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Ja wiem ze ty bys wolala aby wszyscy czerpali "wiedze" z oficjalnych
komunikatow IDFu, niestety jest inaczej. A co ci sie nie podoba w Libertyforum
- za malo koszerne, czy za duzo wolnoych wypowiedzi niecenzurowanych przez
hutzpiarstwo?

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Bush And Kerry Both Dance
To Sharon's Tune
By Simon Tisdall
The Guardian - UK
10-19-4

In the Middle East maelstrom, all parties acknowledge one fixed point: forceful
US diplomatic engagement is essential if the central Israel-Palestine conflict
is ever to be resolved.

But far from taking the lead over the past four years, the Bush administration
has been mostly led by the nose. The man responsible for this extraordinary
feat is Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon.

Mr Sharon was running a "war on terror" when George Bush was still running a
baseball team in Texas. So not surprisingly, perhaps, it is Mr Bush who, since
9/11, has followed Mr Sharon's example rather than the other way round. In his
many visits to the Bush White House, Mr Sharon has exerted telling influence on
America's post-9/11 agenda. Knowing Mr Bush was bent on war in Iraq, he
helpfully highlighted Saddam Hussein's links to terrorist groups and financial
aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Now he eggs on the US in
its confrontations with Israel's enemies, Iran and Syria.

It was Israel that, as far back as 1967, perfected the concept of pre-emptive
war. It is Mr Sharon, not Mr Bush, who is the present master of the targeted
assassination and mass detention without trial. It is Israeli military tactics
that the US now apes in places like Falluja and Najaf.

Deeming him unreliable, Mr Sharon refused to deal with the Palestinian leader,
Yasser Arafat - and Mr Bush followed suit. His insistence on absolute security
as a precondition for negotiations and his contemptuous dismissal of contrary
UN and European views won support - and a broader, damaging emulation - in
Washington.

Most of all, Mr Sharon's basic contention, that the homeland is under attack by
ruthless forces bent on its utter destruction, has been adopted wholesale by Mr
Bush and applied to the US itself. These politics of fear now form a central
plank in his re-election platform.

Brent Scowcroft, the national security veteran, recently described Mr Bush
as "mesmerised" by Israel's leader. And for the most part, it does indeed
appear that Sharon policy is Bush policy, rather than vice versa.

Whether the issue is Israel's illegal security fence, unilateral disengagement
from Gaza, expanding West Bank settlements, the fate of the moribund road map
for peace, or US vetoes at the UN, Mr Sharon calls the shots. He has the
world's only superpower dancing to his tune. Unless Mr Sharon loses office - a
not impossible scenario given the rebellion in his Likud party over Gaza - this
well-established dynamic is unlikely to change during a second Bush term.

Dismayingly for the Palestinians and others opposed to Mr Sharon's policies, it
also seems unlikely that a John Kerry presidential victory would make any
significant difference. Like Mr Bush, Mr Kerry in theory supports a viable
Palestinian state. "The conflict will not be an afterthought but a priority,"
he has said.

But he also wants a new Palestinian leadership as a precondition for progress.
He backs Mr Sharon's Gaza withdrawal plan, rejects the right of return, and
says it is "unrealistic" to try to reinstate the 1949 armistice lines. These
positions coupled with his strongly pro-Israel Senate record hardly suggest an
even-handed approach - or the forceful US engagement so lacking under Mr Bush.

"When I am president of the United States, my promise to the people of Israel
will be this," Mr Kerry told the Anti-Defamation League in May. "We will never
pressure you to compromise your security. We will never expect you to negotiate
for peace without a credible partner. And we will always work to provide
political, military and economic help for your fight against terror.

"Building a stronger Israel and a stronger America means working together to
combat the terror that threatens us all." Not much wiggle-room there; and no
corresponding list of promises for the Palestinians.

Mr Bush could not have said it better. As for the guileful Mr Sharon, he must
be laughing all the way to the West Bank.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1331255,00.html

Oj, macie osiagniecia, oj macie...

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Agencja Xinhuanet podala, ze wedlug dzsiejszego raportu Palestinian Ministry of
Prisoners, 2500 palestynskich dzieci zostalo aresztowanych w ciagu ostatnich
czterech lat, tj. od chwili wybuchu powstania przeciw okupacji Izraela. Z tej
liczby, 391 dzieci wciaz znajduje sie w wiezieniach, a ponad 400 bylo w wieku
ponizej 18 lat w chwili aresztowania. Wedlug raportu, 7% dzieci bylo chorych i
wymagalo opieki medycznej, podczas gdy 83% bylo uczniami. Raport mowi, ze jedno
dziecko palestynskie zostalo skazane na dozywocie, trzy ? na pietnascie lat,
cztery na 5-9 lat i wiele innych na 1-3 lat wiezienia za przynaleznosc do
organizacji palestynskich. Inne dzieci zostaly skazane na 6-18 miesiecy
wiezienia za rzucanie kamieniami w izraelskich zolnierzy.

[Gość: totyle]

To co dana nie podoba ci sie liberty forum?.Ja mysle ze trobie o takie liberty
chodzi.Sprobuj tam oglosic swoje dane.Tam masz liberty-tam napewno nie ma
kropki.

Nie winic wszystkich zydow

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za akcje syjonistow

www.rense.com/general58/zzin.htm

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No ale tu na forum to chyba paczka syjonistow-co?.Dana jak wilczyca przewodzi
stadu.

Tylko Syjonisci tak zabijaja.

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Only Zionists Kill Like That
By William Hughes
USA Media Monitors.net
10-17-4

"On Oct. 5, 2004, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) shot to death Iman al-
Hams. She was an unarmed 13-year old Palestinian girl, who was on her way to
school, near Rafah, in the Gaza Strip. Her body was found riddled with 20
bullet wounds. The commander of the IOF outpost stands accused of the vile act.
Like American activist Rachel Corrie; and British subjects, Tom Hurndall, James
Miller and Iain Hook; al-Hams is yet another victim of Zionist crimes."

-----------------

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Znam pewna osobe
Raczej bez polotu

No a ktoto?

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Cos nie wyszlo. Jeszcze raz




Znam pewna osobe
Raczej bez polotu
Ktora bredni sie trzyma
Jak pijany plotu

Do glowy jej wbito
I tak juz zostanie
Ze chutzpiarze sa cacy
A Araby dranie

Ze Palestyna zydowska
Hutzpaland to kraj
Antysemici go gnebia
A tam przeciez raj.

Ale w koncu

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jezeli ktos pracuje w tego typu instytucji ktorej glownym zadaniem jest
sprzedaz kitu swiatowemu zydostwu, aby przyjechalo i zasililo szeregi IOF
(Israeli Occupation Forces) to i trudno sie dziwic.



THE IMMIGRATION AND ABSORPTION DEPARTMENT
www.jazo.org.il/aliyah/

Hutzpa nie zna granic

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Izraelski okupacyjne wojska nie widza nic zlego w tym ze ich oficer wpakowal
przeszlo 20 kul w 13 letnia dziewczynke!!!!! Wlasnie skurwysyna "oczyszczono z
zarzutow". Niech mi ktos teraz udowadnia ze ten syf Izrael zasluguje na
istnienie.




IDF Clears Officer Of Repeatedly
Shooting 13yr Old Girl
BBC News
10-20-4

The Israeli army has cleared an officer accused of repeatedly firing into the
lifeless body of a young Palestinian girl of "unethical" behaviour.

But the officer remains suspended for poor relations with subordinates. An
inquiry began after soldiers told the story of 13-year-old Iman al-Hams's death
to the media, provoking an outcry among many Israelis. Hundreds of Palestinian
children have been killed by Israeli troops during the Palestinian uprising or
intifada.

Shooting At The Floor

The killing of Palestinian civilians does not always make much news in Israel.
And it is unusual for the army to launch an investigation into the
circumstances of such incidents, says the BBC's James Reynolds in Jerusalem.

Without revealing their identities, soldiers from the Givati brigade platoon
told Israeli television how their officer sprayed Iman al-Hams with automatic
gunfire on 5 October in the Tel Sultan neighbourhood of Rafah - a restricted
area near Gaza's border with Egypt.

The investigation did not find that the company or the company commander had
acted unethically.

Israeli Army Statement

"We saw her from a distance of 70m. She was fired at ... from the outpost. She
fled and was wounded," a soldier said.

While Iman was lying, wounded or dead, about 70m from the Israeli guard post,
the platoon commander approached her and fired two bullets from close range at
her head, the soldiers said.

He then went back a second time, put his weapon on the automatic setting and -
ignoring their objections on the walkie-talkie - emptied his entire magazine
into her body.

But the army says it accepts the commander's claim that he fired into the
ground near the girl after coming under fire in a dangerous area.

It has not explained why the officer shot into the ground rather than at the
source of the fire.

"The investigation did not find that the company or the company commander had
acted unethically," an army statement said.

"The investigation concluded that the behaviour of the company commander from
an ethical point of view does not warrant his removal from his position." But
the investigation criticised the officer's leadership abilities.

"Due to these failures the company commander was suspended from his position,
and his future career [in the army] will be decided upon in the course of the
next week," the statement said.

A separate military police investigation into the incident is continuing.


Comment
From whtt.org
10-21-4

The Israeli Army has declared it was not unethical that this IDF officer shot
two bullets at close range into an innocent 13-year old girl's head as she lay
wounded on the ground and went back a moment later and emptied his whole
magazine into her dead body. Most Americans would call the brutal murder of a
child a horrible crime, punishable by death or life imprisonment. Why do
Americans who call themselves "Christians" send millions of dollars to Israel
so that it can commit crimes their religion so strongly condemns? mob

www.whtt.org/whtt.shtml?rpr/Gazagirl.htm

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ale mają pieknie zrobioną, nowoczesną witrynę. I to jest fakt. Chociaż mam dwie uwagi. Jakby zabrakło farby na zazanaczenie Gazy i Zach. Brzegu. No i link do rosyjsko-języcznej wersji nie działa. Ale to się da łatwo poprawić.

Fakt faktem - witryna cieszy oko. Osobiście wolę bardziej oszczędne projekty graficzne, ale obiektywnie rzecz biorąc - rzecz jest ładna.

80 LETNIA Zydowka, ktora przezyla oboz

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uznana zostala za "zagrozenie terrorystyczne" na granicy Hutzpalandu i poddana
osobistemu przeszukaniu - wyobrazacie sobie jaki wrzask by sie podniosl gdyby
to uczyniono na jakiejkolwiek innej granicy na swiecie??

A artykul poswiecony glownie zakrzykiwaniu zydowskich oponentow:

daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=14971&repository=0001_article

ONZ

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Last Update: 23/10/2004 01:31

Top UN official: Int'l community must intervene in Mideast

By News Agencies



UNITED NATIONS - A senior United Nations official told the Security Council on
Friday he had a "palpable sense of drift and foreboding" about prospects for a
Middle East peace unless the international community intervened.




Kieran Prendergast, the undersecretary-general for political affairs, said that
a two-state solution enjoyed strong support from the Israeli and Palestinian
public but the "parties cannot succeed left to themselves."

"Even to speak in terms of a peace process seems to put one at a distance from
the present reality," he said. "The international community's more vigorous
engagement is therefore an indispensable ingredient."

Prendergast cited the bombings at Sinai resorts this month that killed more
than 30 people in a place "hitherto known as a haven for coexistence and
tourism."

Since the start of the latest intifada in September 2000, Prendergast said,
some 3,839 Palestinians and 979 Israelis had been killed and an estimated
36,000 Palestinians and 6,297 Israelis wounded.

"These statistics are staggering," he told the council in his public briefing,
submitted monthly.

"Are we going to go on like this? Is there not a better way," he asked."

Prendergast said violence, rather than negotiations, appeared to be the mode of
communication.

"There is a palpable sense of drift and foreboding - in the case of the
occupied Palestinian territory, of drift towards chaos," he said.

"Neither side is fulfilling it obligations under the road map," a peace process
backed by the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations,
he said.

Prendergast said Secretary-General Kofi Annan would soon establish a new group
to register all damage caused by the constructions of the West Bank separation
fence, as requested by the General Assembly.

"His aim will be to establish as soon as possible a body that would be able to
examine requests and eligibility for registration, as well as to verify the
facts and extent of damage and of the causal link between the construction of
the barrier and the damage sustained," Prendergast said.

Prendergast called on the Palestinian Authority to quell terror emanating from
territory under its control. And he said Israel had to organize its planned
pullout from Gaza and the northern West Bank in the context of the road map and
in coordination with the Palestinians.

UNRWA: 107 Palestinians killed in northern Gaza offensive
Israel's recent 17-day military offensive in the northern Gaza Strip killed 107
Palestinians, left nearly 700 homeless and caused more than $3 million in
property damage, a United Nations aid agency said in a report Friday.

Operation "Days of Penitence" was launched Sept. 29 in response to rocket fire
on Israeli towns that killed five Israelis in recent months.

In the bloodiest campaign in Gaza in four years of fighting, some 200 armored
vehicles and 2,000 soldiers patrolled the northern part of the strip to keep
rocket launchers out of the range of Israeli communities.

During the campaign, 107 Palestinians were killed and 431 wounded, according to
the UN Relief and Works Agency, which cares for Palestinian refugees.

Ninety-one homes were demolished, making 675 Palestinians homeless, UNRWA said.
In addition, 101 houses, home to 833 people, sustained damage, the report said.

UNRWA said it will cost $2.5 million to rebuild the private homes.

In addition, 19 public buildings and commercial properties were destroyed by
army shelling and bulldozers, including government compounds, a mosque, two
farms and three factories, among several other small shops, the report said.

Sixteen buildings were damaged, including eight UNRWA school on the eastern
border of the Jabaliya refugee camp, the focus of the army's operation.

Jabaliya, the main launching pad for Palestinian rockets, is the largest of the
Palestinian refugee camps with an estimated 106,000 residents living in a 1.4
square kilometer area.

Jacob Dallal, an army spokesman, said the vast majority of homes and buildings
demolished were abandoned structures used by Palestinian militants to fire on
soldiers.

Throughout the incursion, army bulldozers ripped up roads and dug trenches
damaging around 12,000 square meters of roads. Water, sewage, and electricity
networks were also damaged, the report said. Dozens of acres of farmland were
flattened, the report said.

Regarding road damage, Dallal said soldiers were detonating explosives planted
along the thoroughfares by Palestinian militants. He said the army uprooted
crops to stop militants from using vegetation as cover.

More than 50 percent of all fertile land in the northern Gaza town of Beit
Hanoun, once an agricultural treasure for Gazans, has been destroyed by army
bulldozers since Sept. 2000, UNRWA said.



Kieran Prendergast, the undersecretary-general for political affairs, said on
Friday that a two-state solution enjoyed strong support from the Israeli and
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Stamtad nawet wyjechac sie nie da

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Vanunu, ktory przesiedzial w izraelskim wiezieniu 18 lat za ttwierdzenia ze
Hutzpaland ma bomby atomowe (co jest oczywiscie nieprawda i objawem
antysemityzmu) i ktory przestal byc zydem bo przeszedl na chrzescijanstwo, nie
moze teraz (po 18 latach spedzonych w wiezieniu!!!) nawet wyjechac z tego
grajdola.


I to jest to cholerne hutzpiarstwo - bo popatrzcie -

Hutzpaland ofcjalnie broni atomowej nie posiada.
Faceta wsadzono na 18 lat za opowiadanie o programach zbrojeniowych w
Hutzpalandzie ktorych wcale (oficjalnie) nie ma.
Facet nie moze wyjechac bo hutzpiarze mowia ze moglby zdradzic dalsze tajemnice
o tym programach zbrojeniowych ktorych oni oficjalnie nie prowadza!!!

Przeciez wy tam jestescie wszycsy stuknieci, i to zdrowo!!!!


Let Me Leave
And Be Free,
Pleads Israeli
Whistleblower Vanunu
10-24-4

LONDON (AFP) - Mordechai Vanunu, who was freed in April after 18 years in an
Israeli prison for revealing the country's nuclear program, told the BBC in a
television interview from Israel that he was desperate to start a new life
elsewhere.

"I want to feel free, I'm not free here," said the 50-year-old Vanunu, who on
release was subjected to a series of sweeping restrictions, including a ban on
travelling abroad as well as holding unauthorised meetings with foreigners.

"The only way to feel and enjoy freedom and start my new life as a free human
being will be when I can leave Israel and live my life in the US, in Europe or
in London," he said.

Vanunu was sentenced in 1986 to 18 years in prison for "treason"
and "espionage" after leaking top-secret details about the Dimona nuclear
plant, where he was employed, to The Sunday Times.

"I tried to inform the world and to try to stop this nuclear proliferation," he
said on Sunday in the live television interview with BBC's Breakfast with
(David) Frost programme.

"My hope was that by revealing the nuclear secrets I would bring new states
towards real peace in the Middle East and the abolition of nuclear weapons in
all the Middle East," he said.

Copyright © 2004 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information
contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or
redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse.

story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/2004102
4/wl_mideast_afp/israel_nuclear_vanunu_britain_media_041024141130&e=5

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zabralo ci 2 miesiace pisania samego do siebie, ale w koncu doszedles do tych
200.... nu, go on, zafajdancu, go on, za pare miesiecy bedzie juz 400 postow
zafajdanca do zafajdanca....

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Zupelnie sie mylisz Danale
Ja po prostu usiluje utrzymac watek dla wszystkich zainteresowanych waszym
pieknym krajem, aby na biezaco mogli sie dowiedziec jak rozwija sie u was
kultura i jakie postepy robi jedyna demokracja na BW, a przyznac musze ze
ciezko sie musze naharowac (za darmo Danale, za darmo) bo tematow dostarczacie
z dokladnoscia szwajcarskiego zegarka.

[bam_buko]

zlosc i zazdrosc przez cibie dana przemawia

[fredzio54]

Hutzpa jest ze taki zabalnsowany ma arabskich kolegow terrorisci co 200
australczykow na Bali zamordowali

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Australijczykow Fredziu bylo 88.

A u nas w Australii Australijczycy mowia ze ci terrorysci to podkladaja te
bomby, bo oni nie lubia jak Zydzi okupuja Palestyne.
I tylko sie zastanawiaja czy bardziej sa winni terrorysci, czy moze zydzi.

[fredzio54]

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> Australijczykow Fredziu bylo 88.
>
> A u nas w Australii Australijczycy mowia ze ci terrorysci to podkladaja te
> bomby, bo oni nie lubia jak Zydzi okupuja Palestyne.
> I tylko sie zastanawiaja czy bardziej sa winni terrorysci, czy moze zydzi.
odwrotnie arabstwo muzelmanskie ukupuja caly swiat nawet w Polsce ramada jest
narodowe swieto tfuj !

zdjecia wystarcza - komentarz zbyteczny

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No prosze, sumienie ich ruszylo

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Israeli Officer Arrested
Over Killing Of Gaza Girl
10-27-4

JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Zabawy izraelskich zolnierzy

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The veteran American journalist Chris Hedges documenting how Israeli troops
systematically cursed and otherwise provoked Palestinian children playing in
the dunes of southern Gaza in order to shoot them. He wrote in Harper's Magazine
(10):

"The boys

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Pieknie sie bawia chlopcy erecowcy.Dana pewnie orgazmuje przy takich obrazkach.
Co za bydleta.

Uczciwi Zydzi mowia:

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"Dzieki waszej pomocy i naszemu ciaglemu wysilkowi wierzymy ze przyjdzie dzien
gdy syjonistyczne panstwo Izrael nie bedzie nazywany "zydowskim panstwem",
ale "krajem Syjonistow", a Zydzi na calym swiecie beda wreszcie mogli zyc w
spolkoju i szczesliwosci."

Ja tez wam tego zycze.





Non-Zionist Jews Making
Worldwide Progress
Washington And London Are Listening
From True Torah Jews
Jews Against Zionism
10-28-4

True Torah Jews are making progress in the effort to inform the world that all
Jews are not Zionists and that all Jews do not support the so-called 'state of
Israel'.

Washington and London are listening to the words of the Grand Rabbis.
Presidential candidate, John Kerry, in a letter to our editor, Russell Waxman,
stated that he shares our concern on this subject. Secretary of State Colin
Powell has acknowledged publicly that opposition to the actions of the state
of 'Israel' is not anti-Semitic and in doing so has made the distinction
between Judaism and Zionism.

A distinguished Member of the British Parliament has informed us that in the
next debate in Parliament on the situation in the Middle East, she will bring
out the position of traditional Jews. Both Jews and non-Jews worldwide will be
watching that debate with great interest.

We wish to thank our members not only for their encouraging words of support
but for their generous contributions to the furtherance of this cause.

Our recent half page ad on Sunday October 24, 2004 in the Washington Times
newspaper, supported by the donations of our members, generated many positive
comments and many visitors to our website. For those members who do not have
access to the Washington Times we have obtained a copy of the ad and posted it
on our website. A link can be found at the bottom of our home page.

If you have an idea or suggestion on other avenues of public relations we can
pursue to publicize the viewpoint of Torah True Jews, please email Mr. Russell
Waxman, our editor, at [e-mail]

Through your support and our continued efforts we believe that one day the
Zionist 'state of Israel' will no longer be called 'the Jewish state'' but
the 'state of the Zionists' and Jews worldwide will be able to live in peace
and happiness ever after.


Russell Waxman
Assistant Editor
True Torah Jews/Jews Against Zionism
www.jewsagainstzionism.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004

Bin Laden

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Nie ma juz zadnych watpliwosci. USA zaplacilo cene za popieranie
szowinistycznej polityki Izraela.




Last Update: 30/10/2004 01:28

Al-Jazeera broadcasts tape by bin Laden

By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies



Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden said in a video tape aired late Friday that one
of the reasons his organization carried out the September 11 attacks was
because of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.





He also said that the United States could face renewed attacks because the
reasons for mounting the Sept. 11 strikes still existed. The video tape was
aired on the Qatari-based Al Jazeera satellite television channel.

In his clearest comments yet taking responsibility for the attacks three years
ago, he said just days before President George W. Bush faces re-
election: "Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still
deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still
there to repeat what happened."

He said he thought of the idea of attacking the U.S. skyscrapers when he saw
Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

"While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my
mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should
destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be
deterred from killing our children and women," bin Laden said on tape.

Oczywiscie Izrael nie maczal w niczym palcow

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Israeli Secret Agents
Liquidate 310 Iraqi Scientists
Mathaba.net
10-31-4

More than 310 Iraqi scientists are thought to have perished at the hands of
Israeli secret agents in Iraq since fall of Baghdad to US troops in April 2003,
a seminar has found.

The seminar, held in Cairo, was attended by politicians, journalists and
experts with an interest in current Iraqi affairs.

The experts said they had detected an organized campaign aimed at 'liquidating
Iraqi scientists' in the past 18 months and most of them pointed the finger at
the Israeli secret police service, the Mossad.

The organizers said their aim was to highlight the plight of Iraqi scientists
particularly those who were engaged in the weapons programs under the former
regime.

"There is a joint American and Israeli plan to kill as many Iraqi scientists as
possible," said Abdel Raoof al-Raidi, an ambassador and assistant foreign
minister.

The Iraqi ambassador in Cairo, Ahmad al-Iraqi, accused Israel of sending to
Iraq immediately after the US invasion 'a commando unit' charged with the
killing of Iraqi scientists.

"Israel has played a prominent role in liquidating Iraqi scientists. The
campaign is part of a Zionist plan to kill Arab and Muslim scientists working
in applied research which Israel sees as threatening its interests," al-Iraqi
said.

DR. Imad Jad, an Israeli affairs expert at the Al-Ahram Studies Center, said
the US had already airlifted 70 Iraqi scientists out of the country and placed
them in areas to make it difficult for them to 'transfer information to anti-US
quarters.'

He said more than 310 Iraqi scientists have been killed so far and most of them
at the hands of Mossad agents working in Iraq.

He said the Ahram Center estimated that nearly 17,000 Iraqi scientists working
in various fields of knowledge have fled the country since the US-led invasion.

In Baghdad, interim government officials refused to comment on the
deliberations that took place in the Cairo conference.

However, the Ministry of Higher Education and the Ministry of Science and
Technology said their own figures tally with those mentioned at the seminar,
particularly regarding the number of Iraqi scientist been killed so far.

mathaba.net/x.htm?
mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=80029

No prosze, nawet w tym szmatlawcu

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czasami cos uczciwego wydrukuja.Na pewno Danie sie ten artykul nie spodoba, bo
w swej wymowie jest (wedlug znanej definicji Dany) A N T Y S E M I C K I.

Confirmed and confessed, B. Michael
Yediot Aharonot
October, 2004

(This article was translated from Hebrew by The Other Israel)

Between Sept 29 and Oct 15, fifteen days in all, I killed thirty children. Two
children per day.

Two dead children per day is more or less four bereaved parents per day. Why
more or less? Because some of them were brothers. So, two dead children for one
pair of bereaved parents. Perhaps that's better, because these parents are
bereaved anyway, so they are just bereaved twice, and another pair of parents
is released from being bereaved. But perhaps it is less good, because to be
bereaved is worse than being dead, and being twice bereaved is twice worse than
being dead. So I don't really know what to decide.

All these children I killed in the Gaza Strip, and all of them I killed by
mistake. That is, I knew that there were children there, and I knew I would
kill some of them, but since I knew it would be by mistake I did not feel so
pressured about it. Because everybody makes mistakes. Only the one who does
nothing does not make mistakes. Mistakes happen, we are all human beings. That
is what I think is so nice about my mistakes, they make me so human and
fallible, is it not so?

The 30 children I killed by all kind of mistakes. Each child with his special
mistake. There was one about whom I thought by mistake that he was not a child.
And there was one which I hit because he insisted on standing exactly on the
spot at which I decided to shoot. And there was one who threw stones and did
not at all look six years old. And there was one who from the air looked like a
wanted terrorist. Or like a Qassam rocket. Or like a terrorist holding a Qassam
rocket. And there were some children who by mistake got into their heads some
of the shrapnel from the shell I shot into their house. And there was one who
by mistake hid under her bed exactly when I blew up the bed in order to expel
the terrorist squad which was hiding there. But this does not count, it was her
mistake, not mine.

I remember it was the most hard with my first mistake. I shot and shot and
shot, then they told me I had killed a child. I became pale, and my mouth was
dry, and my knees were shaking, and in general I did not sleep very well that
night. But with the passing of time, and of mistakes, it became much easier.
Now I make mistakes with hardly any side-effects. It was very helpful that my
friends, my environment, everybody, did not make so much fuss over every small
mistake.

Here, just last week, when I killed by mistake one girl, I shot two more
mistakes into her head, just to make sure that I was making a mistake. And then
the rest of my magazine, full of mistakes. Once, I would not have been able to
do that.

True, some people tell me that I am making a mistake in making this confession.
They tell I have not been in Gaza at all, and did not shoot any bullet, and did
not bomb, and did not shell, and did not snipe. That's true, I did not. But who
paid for the bullets? Me. And who bought the gun? And financed the shell? And
the missile? Me. Me. Me. Also me.

And also, who is not growing pale any more with every new mistake? Whose mouth
is not getting dry when one more child is laid in the earth? Whose knees do not
grow weak when another nameless baby lies dead in a bloody cradle? Who goes on
sleeping soundly even when the number of mistakes reaches thirty in two weeks?
Me. Also me. So, don't tell me I didn't kill.

Dzien jak codzien w Hutzpalandzie

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Podobno to izraelczycy otruli Arafata

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s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20041107A.html

Amos Oz

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Amos Oz

Zmęczenie i bankructwo

(Izraelskie "gołębie" są zmęczone. "Jastrzębie" zaś zbankrutowały. Zmęczenie
nie jest tak fatalne jak bankructwo)

Nie wiem, co nam powiedzą za dzień lub za godzinę lekarze Jasera Arafata.
Arafat ma szczęście do uchodzenia z życiem, a specjaliści napisali w ciągu
ostatnich 30 lat dość panegiryków na jego cześć, by zapełnić nimi półkę z
albumami pamiątkowymi. Nikt z nas - "gołębi" i "jastrzębi" - nie może pozwolić
Arafatowi, żywemu bądź martwemu, na zatarcie tego, co nas dzieli. Rysa dzieląca
społeczeństwo Izraela nie ma nic wspólnego z sukcesami i porażkami Arafata i
jego spadkobierców.

Ponowny wybór Busha nie musi koniecznie oznaczać przedłużenia amerykańskiej
carte blanche dla polityki Szarona. W czasie drugiej kadencji Bush może równie
dobrze spróbować naprawić mosty łączące go z Europą oraz światem arabskim przez
wznowienie palestyńsko-izraelskiego procesu pokojowego. A rysa w izraelskim
społeczeństwie nie tyle związana jest z amerykańską polityką bliskowschodnią,
ile z wewnętrzną kwestią: (kim jesteśmy, jaki jest sens i cel istnienia państwa
Izrael; (dokąd zmierzamy, co jest, a co nie jest możliwe; (co możemy, a czego
nie możemy oraz (co najistotniejsze, kim chcemy być.

Zmęczenie "gołębi"

Słabość, jaką "gołębie" okazywały w ciągu trwającej dziesięciolecia debaty
wokół przyszłości terytoriów okupowanych, wojny i pokoju, miała jedną
zasadniczą przyczynę. Nigdy nie udało się nam przekonać obywateli ze środowisk
ubogich i zmarginalizowanych, że istnieje bezpośredni związek pomiędzy ich
sytuacją a mrzonkami o Wielkim Izraelu, które zawładnęły duszą naszego kraju,
kiedy odniósł pierwsze militarne zwycięstwo w wojnie sześciodniowej w 1967 r.
(można zauważyć jednakowy bezpośredni związek pomiędzy biedą Terytoriów
Okupowanych a rojeniami palestyńskich ekstremistów i ich przywódców o Wielkiej
Palestynie).

Związek ten nie wynika wyłącznie z tego, że od przeszło 30 lat Izrael
zainwestował miliardy dolarów w utworzenie i utrzymanie żydowskich osiedli na
terytoriach okupowanych. Pieniądze te można było przeznaczyć na edukację,
budowę państwa opiekuńczego, wspieranie nauki i kultury, rozwój Galilei i
Negewu. Związek ten wynika z czegoś głębszego niż samo przydzielenie tych
środków na budowę osiedli i okupację ziemi palestyńskiej. W miarę tego, jak
wskutek polityki osadnictwa biedni dostawali coraz mniej, a ich los się
pogarszał, cierpienie i rozpacz kierowały ich coraz bardziej w stronę
nacjonalizmu. Zwodzeni przez fanatyków religijnych i ekstremistów o jastrzębim
obliczu, stali się więźniami trzymanymi w lochach strachu, wrogości i
nienawiści do Arabów. Powstało istne błędne koło - polityka wspierania
osadników i wywłaszczania biedoty wywołuje frustrację pokrzywdzonych pchającą
ich w objęcia ekstremizmu.

"Gołębiom" nie udało się przerwać tego cyklu. Społecznie upośledzeni nie
przestali postrzegać dążeń pokojowych jako spisku bogaczy, których bardziej
interesuje dobro Palestyńczyków niż los bezrobotnych i pracującej biedoty.

"Gołębie" będą długo jeszcze zmęczone, dopóki nie nadejdzie czas, kiedy usuną
rysę dzielącą społeczeństwo i dotrą do serc i umysłów Izraelczyków, którzy
przez lata płacili wysoką cenę rządowej polityki okupacji i represji.

Bankructwo "jastrzębi"

Podczas zeszłotygodniowej dyskusji w parlamencie, żaden z "jastrzębi"
przeciwnych szaronowskiej polityce wycofywania się ze Strefy Gazy nie
odpowiedział na najprostsze pytanie: co proponujecie w zamian? Kontynuować
okupację? Kontynuować pogoń za ideą Wielkiego Izraela, aż ludność żydowska
zacznie stanowić mniejszość na ziemiach pomiędzy Jordanem a Morzem Śródziemnym?
Wprowadzić system apartheidu? Znieść rządy narodu i zastąpić je rządami
rabinów?

Żaden z "jastrzębi" nie odpowiedział na to pytanie. Uchylili się od odpowiedzi,
ponieważ jej nie znają. Albo dlatego, że wierzą w cuda. Może są wśród nich
jednostki, które w ciemnościach wyszepczą odpowiedź tak potworną i zbrodniczą,
że nie odważą się wyartykułować jej w towarzystwie innych ludzi?

Zamiast odpowiedzieć na proste pytanie - co się z nami stanie, kim będziemy,
jeżeli w dalszym ciągu będziemy rządzić, represjonować i ciemiężyć inny naród? -
członkowie obozu, który odrzuca pokój we wszelkiej postaci, uciekli się do
demagogii. "Wycofanie się z Gazy to nagroda za terror" - twierdzą.

Przypuśćmy, że tak właśnie jest. Ale czy musimy ponosić karę, jaką jest Gaza,
tylko po to, żeby nie dać nagrody terrorystom? Ostrzegają nas, że ewakuacja z
Gazy bez negocjacji nie spowoduje spadku liczby ataków na Izrael. Ale kto
zabrania im negocjować i wycofać się z Gazy w ramach porozumienia z
Palestyńczykami bądź też we współpracy z państwami arabskimi lub światowymi
mocarstwami?

Bankructwo obozu Wielkiego Izraela jest najbardziej widoczne poprzez fakt, że
przestał on głośno wyrażać to, w co naprawdę wierzy. Nie ma już "jastrzębi",
które odważyłyby się powiedzieć, że nie wolno nam opuścić choćby piędzi ziemi
Państwa Izrael. Ten produkt zdjęli już z witryny - może sami zdali sobie
sprawę, że jest niestrawny? Teraz przebąkują, że wycofanie się jest
niebezpieczne pod względem militarnym albo że byłoby ono bolesne dla osadników,
albo że może jeszcze bardziej ośmielić Hamas, wreszcie że powinno ono zostać
dokonane na mocy porozumienia, nie zaś w sposób jednostronny.

To oznacza, że "jastrzębie" potajemnie wycofały się już z tego, co najbardziej
zasadnicze. Wycofały się ze stanowiska, zgodnie z którym nie wolno nam opuścić
choćby cala zajmowanej ziemi, ponieważ należy ona w całości do nas i tylko do
nas. To zasadnicze, rewolucyjne ustępstwo ze strony "jastrzębi" "gołębie"
powinny przyjąć z uznaniem i ulgą.

"Gołębiom" nie wolno rozkoszować się tragedią "jastrzębi" z tego prostego
powodu, że kiedy jest się zmęczonym, nie można trwonić resztek sił na iluzje,
jakimi są pycha, duma i pogarda. Takie zachowanie zwiększyłoby tylko jeszcze
bardziej dystans między "gołębiami" a ubogimi i pokrzywdzonymi, bez których
pokój nie jest możliwy.

tłum. wilk

Amos Oz uważany jest dziś za najwybitniejszego żyjącego pisarza izraelskiego,
sławę przyniosły powieści: "Mój Michał", "Czarna skrzynka", "Poznać kobietę"
oraz artykuły, w których ten weteran wojny 1967 r. nawołuje do kompromisu z
Palestyńczykami i zezwolenia im na utworzenie państwa

serwisy.gazeta.pl/swiat/1,34181,2379640 .html

Oj jak USA odstawi was od kasy

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to z waszego salcesonowatego Ariela moze zostac baaaaardzo cieeeeeenka parowka!

"JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israel purred with satisfaction at the re-election
of US President George W. Bush while harbouring niggling fears that
its friend in the White House may temper his previously unstinting
support."

"Bush's refusal to deal with Arafat during his first term in office
was seized on by Israel's Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as a sign
of the closeness in ties between the two countries.


"He has led the war against terrorism, especially Palestinian
terrorism, and he has refused any contacts with Arafat," Olmert told
public radio.


"All this reflects the fact that he is the most friendly president
towards Israel that we have ever had."

"However, Bush's closest ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair,
gave a hint of the pressure that is likely to be exerted on
Washington to address Palestinian grievances.


Middle East peace was "the single most pressing political challenge
in our world", said Blair, making clear that he saw the suffering of
the Palestinians as a factor behind support for Islamist terrorist
groups such as Al-Qaeda."

"Israel's Justice Minister Tommy Lapid said Bush's desire to improve
relations with the European Union and the United Nations in order to
tackle his problems in Iraq could spell a cooling in US-Israeli ties.


"There's no doubt that relations with Bush will be less rosy than
they are at the moment. It could be that Bush in his second term
will... want to pursue measures to satisfy certain parties who are
not in our circle of friends."

Akt brutalnej agresji przeciwko Hutzpalandii

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Iranians had key role in Hezbollah drone launch

By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent



Iranian experts on unmanned airborne vehicles (drones) from the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards took part in the launch from Lebanon of a Hezbollah drone
that spent several minutes over northern Israel this week.




Apparently, the drone carried a camera capable of transmitting images while the
plane is in motion.

The first launch of an Iranian drone by Hezbollah ended with the plane crashing
on its way back to Lebanon.

The Iranian activity can be regarded as a clear-cut case of aggression against
Israel.

What makes it unusual is that Iranian military experts from the Revolutionary
Guards sent their people to a third country to act against Israel. Their
support for Palestinian terror groups was usually done with money or weapons.
In this case, Iranians were involved directly in launching the drone and
preparing it for its mission.

Lebanon also cannot wash its hands of the affair and pretend innocence. It is
possible the Lebanese did not know about the activity and the preparations and
did not know about the Iranian involvement, but since it took place on Lebanese
territory, the Lebanese government is directly responsible for the act of
aggression. Its arguments won't hold water if Israel decides to react to
similar incidents in the future.

The drone was Iranian made. It was developed and built in Iranian plants in the
1990s. The aircraft is considered technologically very simple, with a pre-
programmed route that is installed before launch. During the flight, a camera
sends images back to a ground station, which was supposedly manned by Iranians,
and the plane is apparently supposed to land by parachute.

The Iranians supplied several such planes to the Hezbollah, just as they
supplied rockets. One of the Iranian conditions for the supply of the drones
was that Hezbollah get clearance from Tehran before any launch.

The Hezbollah operatives were trained in the use of the plane by experts from
the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The launch and other military activity shows Iranians are in Lebanon, under the
patronage and cover of Hezbollah, doing whatever they want.

Syria continues to maintain military units in Lebanon while Lebanon operates
through the Revolutionary Guards and other bodies.

Lately, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has bragged that his organization can restrain
Israel in the aerial sphere. He declared Hezbollah would change the aerial-
military equation.

It is reasonable to assume he had received surface-to-air missiles from either
Syria or Iran. Clearly, the existence of a few drones will not change the
balance of power in the air with Israel, even if the drones can penetrate
Israel much deeper, and even if they carry cameras or even explosives.

The drone penetration certainly surprised Israel's air defenses and lessons can
be expected to be learned from the incident.

The Israel Air Force and its radar system should have no problem dealing with
the Hezbollah drones and should set a price that Hezbollah and Lebanon will pay
for such incursions.

Another lesson is that if Iran is ready to take the risk with such a direct
involvement, it could slide into even riskier moves.

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ten atak to prowokacja wobec pokojowej polityki israela wobec narodu
palestynskiego

[fredzio54]

zabalnsowany sprowadzil 200 wielbladow arabskich a dzisaj sa kolo 600 tys
dzikych muzelmansich wielbladow w Australii
Zabalo jest przestemstwa swiatowy

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Juz ty Fredziu tymi wielbladami sie nie przejmuj.
A najlepiej to jak przywieziesz do Australii pare psi pustinski.
Tylko czy take psi jedza wielblady?

[fredzio54]

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> Juz ty Fredziu tymi wielbladami sie nie przejmuj.
> A najlepiej to jak przywieziesz do Australii pare psi pustinski.
> Tylko czy take psi jedza wielblady?
nie jedza wielblady ale napewno antysemitow jak ty
IDF uzywa psy i nawet zgineli z Erec Israel na wojny przeciwko twoich kolegow
palestynczykow

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To ty lepiej Fredziu tych psi nie przywoz.

[fredzio54]

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>
>
> To ty lepiej Fredziu tych psi nie przywoz.
Czy tak dozo antysemitow jest w Australi, masz zle sumienie ze wypedzimy
kolegow muzelmanow

Tu Cię mam Fredzio ;-)

[rispetto]

Dalej czytam Twoje posty zamiast porannej prasy ;-)
Jako głos Izraela powiedz mi, czy muzyka Wagnera jest zabroniona w Izraelu, czy
nie ?

[fredzio54]

rispetto napisał:

> Dalej czytam Twoje posty zamiast porannej prasy ;-)
> Jako głos Izraela powiedz mi, czy muzyka Wagnera jest zabroniona w Izraelu,
czy
>
> nie ?
oczewiscie ten antysemita byl kolega tego Hitlera ( babcie Dambrowska Polek)
nie kochal zydow pozatym niemcy go grali czesto w obozach polskich zaglady

>

Fajny artykul dzisiaj znalazlem

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www.israelshamir.net/polish/bankers.shtml

A tu pare ciekawostek

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dla oszolomow spod znaku Szarona - przestudiujcie to sobie i zrozumcie wreszcie
ze ta szowinistyczna propaganda robi wam tylko wode z mozgu!


www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/FalseFlag.htm

Swietna stronka Zbalansowany! Dzieki za link.

[Gość: Stefan]

Teraz ide spac, ale jutro zabiore sie do czytania.

Pozdr.

[Gość: !!!]

There has been a concerted effort in the United States to block critical debate
about what is happening in Israel-Palestine, and a pervasive last-ditch attempt
to stifle criticism of Israel by smearing those who dare to raise their voices.
This book is a collection of articles dealing with the means that the insidious
slur of "anti-Semitism" has been used for political ends. The articles range
from a philosophical examination of the term "anti-Semitism" to a survey of the
topics that are not covered in US discourse because of self-censorship induced
by fear, fear of being labeled an anti-Semite or fear of being targeted by pro-
Israeli groups. The consequences of this are evident for all to see: an
uncritical acceptance of interminable US wars, the generalized misery of the
Palestinian people, bloated armaments budgets, and massive US resources
siphoned off to Israel. To break the silence and allay fear over these topics
requires critical appraisal of what anti-Semitism actually means and to tackle
the taboo that it represents.

The philosopher Michael Neumann analyzes the term, discussing alternative
definitions and examining the implications of these alternatives. Making the
definition too broad cheapens the term, creating its own problems, while if the
definition is too narrow, the accusation loses its political significance.
Neumann points out: "... there is a choice to be made. You can use anti-
Semitism to fit your political agenda, or you can use it as a term of
condemnation, but you cannot do both." This is a superlative discussion, with
important lessons for all.

Scott Handleman criticizes the way "anti-Semitism" has been portrayed in recent
books, that is, the claim that anti-Semitism is something evil out there,
irrational, and the responsibility of others. He offers an alternative
appraisal of anti-Semitism by suggesting that the responsibility of its victim
should also be taken into account. Again, this is an important discussion to
place the various sanctimonious books on the topic into perspective.

There are several Israeli perspectives on the issue, including an important one
by Uri Avnery. Avnery points out several Zionist myths and discusses how
Israeli actions contradict those myths. Whereas Zionists claimed that Israel
was needed as a refuge from anti-Semitism, the contradiction has arisen that
Israel's policies are actually causing much anti-Semitism. "For Jews, this
creates a dangerous vicious circle. Sharon's actions create revulsion and
opposition throughout the world. These reinforce anti-Semitism. Faced with this
danger, Jewish organizations are pushed into defending Israel and giving it
unqualified support. This support enables the anti-Semites to attack not only
the government of Israel but the local Jews, too." Avnery also makes the
important point that Zionists should consider the implications of their actions
taking into account that their project may go awry.

The self-censorship also affects people from whom one would not otherwise have
expected it. Jeffrey Blankfort catalogs the unwillingness of many left activist
groups to take a stance critical of Israel. He provides a series of amazing
examples: the organizers of demonstrations against the US-Iraq war and their
unwillingness to take a critical stance vis-à-vis Israel; unions barely willing
to utter the word Israel in their literature or posters, and relegating a
mildly critical comment about the condition of the Palestinians to the backside
of a poster! For a critical assessment of the anti-war movement and what passes
for domestic opposition to the neo-imperial US role, it is important to read
this essay. It suggests that, for these resistance movements to be effective,
they need to have a critical view of Israel. Unfortunately, such groups are
reticent about starting this debate.

Kathy and Bill Christison offer an amazing overview of the power and influence
of the neocons. They show that these rightwing zealots are inextricably bonded
with Israel. However, it is surprising that questioning the loyalty of such
policymakers is suppressed in the media discourse. In many cases, the neocons
demonstrate clear contradictions between their "Israel first" proclivities and
their presumed loyalty to the United States - the country currently employing
them.

This book is important for all those concerned with peace and justice in the
Middle East, and those wanting to change the US foreign policy agenda. It is
also important for those seeking to understand the American political system
and find ways of influencing it. The book addresses an issue that has caused
much anxiety in the past. A discussion of "anti-Semitism" is important, to undo
the pernicious political effects of its usage as a slur; the book also provides
a basis for countering the slur. Finally, the book also surveys a range of
important taboo topics in American discourse. Knowing what issues are
sensitive, and why, should spur an opening up of the debate

[fredzio54]

zgadzam sie
araby sa nielegalnie w Erec Israel tak samo jak dzikie wielbladyw australi

[fredzio54]

jedna dziedzina w polsce to mafia
bonc polakiem dobrym katolikiem i Mafiozo

[fredzio54]

Mafia pruszkowa jest lepsza oni rzadza w polsce

Psi pustinski

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Fredziu, to ile w koncu tych psow pustinski mi dasz za jednego wielblada
(chcialem powiedziec wielbladzice)?

[fredzio54]

masz mi zaplacic zlotem bo musimy kupic bron aby arabow zastrzelac :))))

[Gość: zbalansowany]

Fredzio to na ktorym zdjeciu to ty jestes?

viva.palestyna.pl/news/news.php?news=special/arafat.info

[waldo888]

Over the years, Karachi in Sindh and the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP)
and Balochistan of Pakistan have become practically ungovernable because of
large-scale illegal migration from Bangladesh and Afghanistan. The change in
the demographic composition of Balochistan in general and of Quetta, its
capital, in particular has been dramatic due to the large-scale migration of
Pakhtuns from Afghanistan into the province. In many districts, the Balochis,
the sons of the soil, have been reduced to a minority and Quetta, the capital
itself, stands in danger of becoming a Pakhtun city one day. Fears over this
prospect led to Balochi-Pakhtun clashes in the 1990s.

[fredzio54]

Szkoda ze zionisci jak ja nie byja gojow anytsemitow jak ty bo w biblie jest
napisane szczegulnie w Pessach
" oj boze bij gojow co nie uznaja twoje krolewstwo "
ale przesto ze znamy sie bede cie bil bez boli :)))))

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Nie wiedzialem Frdziu ze ty taki mocny jestes w Talmudzie

[fredzio54]

To nie Talmud Goju to Stary Testament
ksiaszka ksziaszek nie szmat arabska kuuran
Dzisaj zdech twoj przyjaciel arafatek

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A co Fredziu, cieszysz sie?
Pewnie ci sie Sucha podoba?

[fredzio54]

jest gruba ma dlugi nos farbowana blondynka krzywe nogi
arabka bez kultury ale ma forsy kolo Miliard US $
kochanka tez i termin u Cartier

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No to Fredziu ladnie byscie wygladali!
Moze z pomoca jej pieniedzy to ty bys zostal wodzem na miejsce Arafata?

Ale hutzpa

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Kiedys izraelczycy obawiali sie Arafata, teraz boja sie jegi trupa.

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/500849.html

chcialbys, zafajdancu,

[Gość: dana33]

nie balismy sie go przedtem i nie boimy sie go teraz. po prostu pilnujemy
arabow, zeby w nieutulonym zalu po wielkim przywodcy nie zaczeli strzelac na
lewo i prawo. u nich to wyraz radosci, smutku lub "pokazanie sily" to zawsze
strzelanie. normalnie w powietrze, ale my nie chcemy, zeby przypadkowo poszlo w
nas. a bylam juz dzisiaj na starym miescie, zafajdancu, i tam cisza i spokoj.
sklepy zamkniete, ani jednego araba nie widac, za to my zydzi, spokojnie
idziemy do naszej sciany sie pomodlic. mozesz gryzc paznokcie....

[fredzio54]

zginal kolega zabalansowego
www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Yassir_Arafat_1929-2004.asp

[Gość: dana33]

nu, jak zwykle, teraz oprocz stron arabskich lub nazistowskich doszla jeszze
strona naturei carta. kretyn to kretyn to kretyn. do tego zafajdany.

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Kiedys oskarzalas mnie o podawanie postow z faszystowskich zrodel - nigdy mi
tego nie bylas w stanie udowodnic.
Teraz mowisz ze z arabskich - a co posty z IDFu sa obiektywne?
Cytowalem raz komunikat IDF w ktorym twoi dzielni wojacy mowili o
"NAPADZIE TERRORYSTOW NA........CZOLG !!!!"
Sorry ale to byl chyba najglupszy komunikat wojskowy z jakim sie zetknalem.
Teraz zacytowalem zydowskie zrodlo - tez ci zle!!!

To znaczy ze wszyscy sie myla, tylko Szaronofaszysci maja racje!!!

[Gość: PP]

Zbalansowany, continue please!!!!I'm your eager reader.

Uklony.

Prawda o "palestynskiej" czci "bohatera"....

[Gość: Jerzy]

Zabeltany, skomentuj nam te wiadomosc.Podaje to Haaretz-Twoja ulubiona
israelska gazeta:

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/501078.html
Jak sadzisz, dlaczego mieli w tylku pogrzeb swojego "bohatera"?

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Co chcesz zebym skomentowal?
Z gory bylo wiadomo ze ten pogrzeb moze stac sie placem boju, albo miedzy
Palestynczykami a waszym wojskiem, albo miedzy roznymi frakcjami
wewnatrzpalestynskimi. Sam tez bymw nim nie uczestniczyl i wcale sie nie dziwie
ze sporo ludzi nie przyszlo.
Ale nicto:

Przyjdzie Baghutti, to zjednoczy Palestynczykow.

A Dana moglaby

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spozytkowac swa energie na cos znacznie pozyteczniejszego niz opowiadanie bajek
o Erzacie - np zajelaby sie tymi niewolnicami, przynajmniej moze to mialoby
wiecej sensu.

www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=292868858

tylko gdzie by wtedy Fredzio spedzal swoj wolny czas?

[Gość: dana33]

mam dla ciebie jerzy jeszcze jedna wiadomosc, prosto ze starego miasta w
jerozolimie: "aktywisci" chodzili od domu do domu i wyciagali sila ludzi, zeby
brali udzial w "marszu zalobnym". wielu zabarykadowalo drzwi i zgasilo swiatlo,
udajac, ze ich nie ma..... nu, co ja ci ide powiedziec.... wiekszosc arabow
palestynskich odetchnela z ulga na wiesc o smierci wielkiego bojownika o
wolnosc kraju, ktory nigdy nie istnial i ciagle go jeszcze nie ma...

[Gość: Cep]

Naprawdę, Dano?

Jedni wyciągali siłą? A drudzy barykadowali drzwi? Cóż za dramatyczny obraz!

To już tym drugim nie wystarczyło po prostu zamknąć od środka drzwi, żeby skutecznie udać, że ich nie ma w domu? Ciekawe, czym barykadowali - coś jak w tych filmach o ludziach broniących się przed atakiem wampirów albo kosmitów? A ci pierwsi znowu jak wyciągali - za ręce czy za nogi? Mam w oczach obraz zalewającej się łzami ofiary nalotu, czepiającej się rozpaczliwie framugi drzwi...

[Gość: dana33]

cep, z calym szacunkiem, bredzisz. mam informacje wlasnie od kogos, kto sie
zabarykadowal. rozwalali drzwi, farsztejst? moze ty i bywal na wschodzie u
muzulmanow, ale w jerozolimie na starym miescie 2 dni temu ty nie byl.
wiesz, ja juz za stara, zeby klamac. ale widac, ze ty jeszcze nie za madry,
zeby bredzic.

W drebiezgi

[Gość: Cep]

No - pobudziłaś moją wyobraźnię. Ten dźwięk łomów wysadzających drzwi, może nawet łomot kolb karabinów. Te osiłki rzucające się muskularnym barkiem na drzwi. I te drzazgi z rozbitych futryn.

A ten ktoś - to potem musiał pójść na ten marsz żałobny? Czy mu nie zdołali rozbić barykady?

Wybacz Dano, ale to naprawdę ładne.

[Gość: dana33]

wybacz, nie lubie na forum akurat tobie (z innymi nie mam problemu, jak
zauwazyles) powiedziec, ze jestes idiota. to co napisalam, to dostalam wczoraj
od kogos, kto byl u nas na obiedzie, turysta z polski, ktory mieszka w hotelu
mieszczacym sie w starym miescie, a prowadzonym przez polskie zakonnice
elzbietanki. pol nocy nie spali, bo ci agitatorzy chodzili od domu do domu,
wyciagali ludzi, albo probowali rozwalac zabarykadowane drzwi. rowniez w tym
hotelu zabarykadowali drzwi.
rozumiem ze bedziesz bronil sprawy arabskiej do ostatniej kropli krwi, ale jak
babcie kocham, mozesz mi powiedziec, dlaczego mialabym akurat w tym wypadku
klamac?
powtarzam jeszcze raz: spedziles duzo czasu w krajach muzulmanskich. tutaj nie
byles, to nie drwij, jesli nie wiesz albo jesli nie umiesz udowodnic czegos
innego. lepiej idz i wyglupiaj sie dalej na twoim babowym watku.

[Gość: Cep]

Ależ Dano, jaka obrona, jakiej sprawy arabskiej? Nie przesadzaj. No zacząłem sobie wyobrażać różne scenariusze zdarzeń. Szczególnie zafascynował mnie obraz agitatotorów rozwalających w Jerozolimie ludziom drzwi - a izraelska policja pochowana po kątach gryzie ze strachu palce i ani mru-mru. Czy to pierwsze jaskółki nowego porządku post-arafatowstwa?

[Gość: dana33]

nawet nie warto odpowiedziec, cep.

[Gość: Cep]

Gość portalu: dana33 napisał(a):

> nawet nie warto odpowiedziec, cep.


A na poważnie. Te niby-dziwaczne obrazki mnie pobudziły do całkiem poważnej refleksji. Reaguję na swój sposób. Taki już jestem.

[Gość: Jerzy]

Dokladnie takie samo wrazenie odnioslem na moim urlopie w Israelu, widzac
spokojnie chadzajacych po ulicach Arabow, tj., ze oni czekaja na smierc
mordercy, zeby moc normalnie zyc.
Pamietasz,Dana, jak to zazarcie dyskutowali niektorzy z wystepujacych tu
becwalow, ze Arafat to "czlowiek biedny, taki patriota, ze wciaz tylko mysli
jakby tu pomoc swoim..." -zarzucali nam wtedy "uprawianie taniej propagandy"...

A tu, prosze: Suha dostaje 158 mln koron (ca.75 mln. zlotych), zeby "moc
godnie, jak czlowiek zyc"(to jest hucpa, co?)...Tylko, co maja powiedziec ci,
ktorzy na wskutek bezrozumnych dzialan dyktatora potracili cale mienie?
(J)

[Gość: dana33]

cale mienie, jerzy, to mele, jak sie u nas mowi. raz masz pieniadze, a raz ich
nie masz, jak straciles, to bedziesz znow oszczedzal i znow bedziesz mial. a co
powiesz rodzinom, ktore z powodu tego bydlaka stracily dzieci w zamachach
samobojczych? tym moga zaplacic wiecej niz dostaje suha, dzieci im to nie wroci.

[Gość: Jerzy]

No wlasnie.Zapomnialem z pospiechu dodac, ze te 80 mln. zl ma Suha dostawac
miesiecznie.Jest hucpa, jest! Podobno juz sie zaczynaja "palestynczycy" burzyc
na wiesc o tej skromenej, wdowiej zapomodze...
Czyzby nie byli "hucpiarzami" tylko zwyklymi ludzmi-cynicznie oszukanymi przez
bande mordercow, noszacych miano "patriotow"?
(J)

[Gość: dana33]

dokladnie tak.maja dzisiaj nadzieje, tak jak i my, ze nowe dowodztwo autonomii
bedzie choc troche inne. juz sam fakt, ze nie jeden czlowiek trzyma w reku i
pieniadze i wladze, a jest ich tam trzech do rzadzenia, daje jakas nadzieje.
o tych wszystkich machlojkach generalissimo wiedzieli tak samo dobrze jak i my.
tylko bali sie. jak jeden raz arabscy dziennikarze sprobowali powiedziec
prawde, to znalezli swoje biura rozwalone doszczetnie. nu, nie chce wiecej
podbijac watku zafajdanca.... :)

[Gość: Jerzy]

Wydaje sie, ze hucpa "palestyncow" dopiero zbliza sie do swego apogeum:

www.arutzsheva.org/news.php3?id=72046
Co tez to bedzie, gdy je osiagnie.Ech radosc,radosc....
(J)

[Gość: Jerzy]

Nie lubie sobie odpowiadac, ale musze sie samego opieprzyc:
zacytowalem "faszystowska" gazete israelska, "Arutz Sheva". Poprawiam sie:

www.haaretz.com/
Teraz jest juz dobrze. Ale wiadomosc...ta sama. Co za hucpa....
(J)

[Gość: dana33]

podobno to byly brygady al akca... zaczyna sie chyba "zabawa".... "(

Oy Vei!!

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www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=293106032#Post293106032

Ah ci terrorysci!

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www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=241042&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=24
1042

[Gość: kuk]

Zbalansowany, czytajac ten watek nasuwa mi sie porownanie Cie do tego goscia z
"Salem's Lot" Kinga, ktory pod koniec idzie przez miasteczko, wyciaga upiory z
ciemnych nor i katrupi.
Ty robisz to samo wyciagajac na swiatlo dzienne syjonistyczne upiory -
samozwanczych wannabe "wodzow" tego swiata.

wal dalej, mate!!

A niech im tam

[ksiaze.pan]

Piora wlasne brudy w zaciszu wlasnego podworka, to co nam do tego. Niech sie
bija.

Wreszcie IDF pokazalo izraelczykom

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film z urywkami zastrzelenia 13 letniej Palestynki. Podobno (pisze podobno bo
nie wiem na pewno) na niektorych izraelczykach film ten wywarl niemale wrazenie.
Ten oficer ktory pozniej z bliska wpakowal w dzieciaka caly magazynek mowi
swoim zolnierzom iz jezeli ona mialaby nawet tylko 3 lata to tez nalezaloby ja
zastrzelic - i teraz niech mi ktos z hutzpalandu wyjasni czym rozni sie ten
oficer od zdegenerowanego SSmana?

A ta q...wa Szitgoldsztajn lepiej zamknelaby swoj pysk, niz szukala jakis
pokretnych wyjasnien.


www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7363.htm
Od dzisiaj nawet nie izrael, a hutzpaland bedzie u mnie z malej litery - , na
duza nie zaslugujecie.

W stanach tez sie powoli orientuja w jakie gowno

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wepchnelo ich tamtejsze hutzpiarstwo - swiat sie powoli budzi, ciekaw jestem
jaki wypisze rachunek dla "wybranych".



Raport Amerykanskiego Komitetu Obronnego przy Pentagonie
( BBC News 25, Listopad, 2004 )

"Ameryka alienuje muzulmanow.

Niesienie demokracji do krajow muzulmanskich wydaje sie jedynie
egoistyczna hipokryzja.
Jezeli US chce rzeczywiscie uczynic te kraje bardziej tolerancyjnymi musi
pokazac ich obywatelom, ze nie oznacza to podporzadkowania "Amerykanskiej
drodze".

Raport nawoluje Waszyngton do natychmiastowej zmiany obecnej polityki.
Nie prawda jest, ze Muzulmanie nienawidza wolnosci.
Oni nienawidza jedynie naszej polityki.

Zdecydowana wiekszosc uwaza, ze USA jest jednostronne w w pelnym poparciu
Izraela we wszystkim nawet kosztem praw Palestynczykow.
Swiat widzi ciagle i zwrastajace poparcie USA dla bliskowschodnich tyranii w:
Egipcie, Arabii Saudyjskiej, Jordanni, Pakistanie i krajach zatoki.
WIDZAC TO TRUDNO NIE OCENIAC SLOW O NIESIENIU DEMOKRACJI JAKO FALSZYWEGO
EGOIZMU.

W oczach Muzulmanow amerykanska okupacja Afganistanu i Iraku nie spowodowala
demokracji ale jedynie chaos i cierpienie.
Spowodowala rowniez wzrost pozycji radykalnie wrogich Ameryce.
Amerykanska polityka wydaje sie kierowac jedynie hipokryzja i wlasnym
egostycznyminteresem kosztem prawdziwej wolnosci krajow muzulmanskich.
Wojna o serca i umysly wydaje sie przegrana i nalezy zmienic polityke jak
szybko jest to mozliwe..."


odsylam
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4040543.st m

Amerykanski Komitet Obronny sklada sie z cywilnych ekspertow i naukowcow
powolanych do komitetu przez...Pentagon.

Nieladnie podsluchiwac, oj nieladnie...

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www.rense.com/general60/zspy.htm

Jak juz rosyjscy zydzi masowo wracaja do Rosji

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to nikt mi nie powie ze hutzpaland ma sens.

www.rense.com/general60/braind.htm

A moze z okazji swiat zorganizujemy

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jakas zbiorke dla tych glodnych dzieci - serce mi sie kraje jak czytam o tych
nieszczesciach.


www.meals4israel.com/

[Gość: !!!]

Now, I wonder why they don’t like un?
and i like this "ex perv on human rights" must be dana the child killer

[Gość: ABE]

Glupie syjonisty! Czy widziales kiedy extremiste, ktoremu odpowiada istnienie
organow prawa i porzadku?

Po upadku RPA hutzpaland

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pozostaje jedynym rasistowskim krajem na swiecie.
'israel nalezy do zydow', ale juz nie do mieszkajacych tam od pokolen
Palestynczykow - podzial jest wiec widoczny, my zydzi som lepsze, a arabusy
niech sie nie odzywaja bo som z definicji gorsze i jak bedom podskakiwac to sie
ich do np Jordanii wyrzuci. Ustawy antyarabskie zywcem skopiowane z
antyzydowskich w faszystowskich niemczech. Rasa panow i rasa podludzi.
I ta banda smie krytykowac swiat za "antysemityzm". Antysemityzm moje kochane
towazydostwo to nic innego jak protest przeciwko waszej bezczelnej hutzpie.

[Gość: ABE]

Hitlerowi tez o ile pamietam dobrze, Liga Narodow nie odpowiadala. Ani
konwencje miedzynarodowe. On tez byl law unto himself

codzienne przyklady demokracji u hutzpiarzy

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[zbireywo]

Tez tak uwazam.Czas najwyzszy zaczac odklamywac....samego siebie.
Wezmy np. takie slowa pod uwage, jak "jihad", "swieta wojna", itp.

"Najczęściej wtedy powtarzanymi zwrotami są "jihad" albo "święta wojna", które,
jak sądzę, mają nas przekonać, że religijni muzułmanie to szaleńcy zdolni do
wszystkiego. Mało tego, na tej samej zasadzie Ariel Sharon, w którymś z
wywiadów transmitowanych w australijskiej telewizji, starał się nas przekonać,
że o ile on i jego legiony nie rozprawią się z Palestyńczykami, to bomby zaczną
wybuchać także i u nas. Tak jakby młodzi Arabowie rozrywali się bombami dla
rozrywki a nie w odpowiedzi na wieloletnie prześladowania. Natomiast prawda
jest taka, że pojecie "święta Wojna" nie ma odpowiednika w języku arabskim a
słowo "jihad" znaczy tyle co "dążenie", w sensie ulepszania samego siebie. "

Co pioro, to pioro -lubie ten "kawalek"jednego z naszych "dziennikarzy"
emigracyjnych.Ale jest ich wiecej i bedziemy systematycznie je zamieszczac z
jego podpisem.

[dana33]

nie mowiac juz o calym artykule, bo szkoda kazdego slowa, to musze powiedziec,
ze to zdanie "Master's in international relations from Bir Zeit University, in
the West Bank" jest po prostu genialne...... te international relationships, to
z tymi co mu bron szmugluja z egiptu, a bir zeit university to na kazdym
fakultecie, a ma ich kilka, uczy takich zawodow, jak domowe robienie bomb,
rakiet, ladunkow wybuchowych i innych takich interesujych "zawodow".
oj zafajdaniec, nie przestajesz sie blaznic...

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Przeciez to brytyjski Guardian napisal !!!!!, nie ja!!!
Jezeli wiec uwazasz ze cos jest nie tak, to blazni sie (wedlug ciebie)
Guardian - rozumie roznice czy nie?
A wogole zauwazylem ze wg ciebie tylko ty sie nie blaznisz, nie mylisz, nie
pleciesz nonsensow itp, gdybym byl toba to niwatpliwie kandydowalbym w
wyborach, bo jako jedyna osoba ktora sie nie myli poprowadzilabys erzatz ku
swietlanej przyszlosci - bezblednie!

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czy nie czas skonczyc bzdety o "wielkosci narodu wybranego" i zaczac mowic o
jego glupocie?? Bo to ostatnie posuniecie jest jej dowodem.

Po prostu pewne instytucje sa niereformowalne

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i zawsze promowac beda zwykla hutzpe - przykladem izraelski okupacyjne wojska
IDF.

Calosc:www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=489466&contrassID=1

Po prostu jaki wodz taka i armia

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Z ciala dziewczynki wydobyto okolo 20 pociskow, ale to pewnie zrobili
palestynczycy zeby zdyskredytowac jedyna demokratyczna armie na BW.

Ten bydlak oczywiscie "przypadkowo" wycelowal,

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"przypadkowo" nacisna cyngiel i "przypadkowo" zabil dzieciaka jedzacego
kolacje, to wogole jest przypadkowa armia.


www.imemc.org/features/2004/december/rana-siyam.htm

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a wy huncfoty , śpicie ?
chcecie żeby tyle ludzkiego trudu poszło na marne ,
albo żeby wycinacz miał pretekst do przedświątecznych porządków , albo żeby
nie było nowych wiadomości
o hasającym hucpiaryźmie


...no nie ludzie , tak nie można

No to od kiedy wszyscy maja obowiazek

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swietowac hanuke?

[fredzio54]

co robja tam muzelmani w australi wychowaja sie jako kroliki albo dzykie
wielblady

[fredzio54]

no sa katolicy w calej Iralndi sa tylko 5 tys Jiwerejow po papiez nie pozwala
jak aborcje :))))))))))))

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hahaha , na ciebie zawsze można liczyć , jak myślisz fredek czy ten wątek
osiągnie magiczną liczbę 10.000 wpisów i nastąpi koniec świata ?

Oj, jak oni wam kiedys wystawia rachunek...

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www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=war_israel_palestine&Number=293200290#Post293200290

[fredzio54]

ale ladny wydok szkoda ze niema takiego w australi na ranskiej dzielnicy

tylko plakac

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Młoda reporterka wyjechała do Izraela na staż. Z okna pokoju hotelowego widzi
co rano jak stary Żyd modli się po kilka godzin pod ścianą płaczu. Więc
zaintrygowana postanowiła zrobić z nim wywiad.
- Szanowny panie. Proszę powiedzieć, o co modli się pan tutaj codziennie od
dobrych paru miesięcy?
- Modlę się o pokój na świecie. I oczywiście o rozwiązanie konfliktu
palestyńskiego.
- No i co? No i co?
- Nic! Jakbym mówił do ściany...

Vanunu

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Vanunu Nominated For
Nobel Peace Prize
From the U.S. Campaign to Free Mordechai Vanunu
www.vanunu.com and www.nonviolence.org/vanunu/
12-21-4

On December 19, over 40 journalists, including seven T.V. cameras, attended a
standing room only press conference in East Jerusalem to hear Mairead Maguire,
Mordechai Vanunu and Issam Makhoul. Below is the press release issued
afterwards by the International Campaign to Free Vanunu.

PRESS RELEASE
INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO FREE VANUNU

WHISTLEBLOWER VANUNU NOMINATED FOR NOBEL PEACE PRIZE BY LAUREATE MAIREAD
MAGUIRE
KNESSET MEMBER CALLS FOR VANUNU'S FREEDOM

In a press conference held in East Jerusalem on December 19, Nobel Peace Prize
Laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire (Ireland), announced that she is nominating
Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu for the prize in 2005. Vanunu
has been nominated for the prize every year since 1989. Maguire received the
Nobel Prize in 1976, in recognition of her work for peace in
Ireland. "Mordechai Vanunu has paid a heavy price in order to protect us all
from nuclear weapons. We are all indebted to him for telling the truth to power
and I have come to thank him on behalf of his human family," Maguire said.
Explaining that she had arrived in Israel from a women's peace conference in
Jordan, Maguire urged Israelis and Palestinians to work nonviolently for peace.
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate urged the Israeli government to free Vanunu from
the restrictions that keep him hostage in Israel and to "let Mordechai come
home for Christmas." Maguire added, that she would continue to nominate Vanunu
for the award "until he gets it."

Issam Makhoul, Member of the Israeli Parliament (Knesset), who in February 2000
initiated the first parliamentary debate on nuclear policy ever to be held in
Israel, stated: "Only those who struggle for total disarmament of the Middle
East, including Israel, of all weapons of mass destruction - nuclear,
biological and chemical - has the moral right to condemn Iran for its nuclear
project. The countries that equip Israel with the means to launch nuclear
warheads, that supply it with submarines and enable it to develop its missiles,
do not have the moral right to condemn the Iranian nuclear project. Anyone who
opposes the Iranian project must also oppose the Israeli nuclear arsenal.

"Along with Mordechai Vanunu, I and other Israeli activists refuse to be
silenced. We continue to demand, that our government reveal the truth about its
WMDs, enable a full international inspection of all WMD sites and dismantle its
arsenal. To this end, we are currently involved in organizing an international
conference on a nuclear-free Mediterranean area, to be held in April 2005. This
date marks the first anniversary of Vanunu's release from prison. This date
will hopefully mark the beginning of an anti-nuclear movement in Israel.

"Mordechai Vanunu is not a traitor, he is an Israeli hero. The nuclear bomb
does not protect Israel, it endangers Israel."

Mordechai Vanunu , recently elected rector of Glasgow University in Scotland,
described the restrictions that were imposed on him when he was released from
18 years imprisonment, in April 2004, the subsequent police harassment and
threats to which he has been subjected, and the impact that they have on his
ability to rebuild his life. Asked why he refuses to speak to the Israeli media
in Hebrew, Vanunu answered - in Hebrew: "The government of Israel refuses to
recognize my human rights. I am prohibited from speaking to foreigners. I say
to the Israeli public: I am not your enemy. All I want is for Israel to abolish
its nuclear weapons, to respect the rights of the Palestinian people and to let
me go free." Continuing in English, Vanunu stated, that he has no further
secrets to reveal about Israel's nuclear reactor and that he demands the right
to express his anti-nuclear views, to speak freely to the media and to write
his prison memoirs. All he wants for Christmas, Vanunu said, was to be free to
leave Israel and celebrate with his adoptive family in the USA.

Contact information:

In Israel: Rayna Moss: Tel. [phone], email: [e-mail]
In the USA: Felice Cohen-Joppa, Tel/Fax [phone], email:
[e-mail]
In Britain: Ernest Rodker, Tel/Fax: [phone] e-mail:
[e-mail]
In Norway: Fredrik Heffermehl,Tel. [phone] Fax: [phone] email:
[e-mail]

www.vanunu.com www.vanunu.co.uk www.vanunu.org

==============
2) Write to Mordechai

Mordechai would love to hear from his friends and supporters. You can write to
him at:
Mordechai Vanunu
c/o Cathedral Church of St. George
20 Nablus Road
PO Box 19018
Jerusalem 91190
Israel

and email him at [e-mail]

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Phone/Fax [phone]
[e-mail]
www.nonviolence.org/vanunu

Niemoralnie sie prowadzicie

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Jews In Yemen - Israel A
Zionist State, Not Jewish State
By Jacky Hougi
12-21-4

"We hate Israel because it is a Zionist state, not a Jewish state. We will not
go there and neither will we allow are children to go there", Sliman Jaradi, a
Jew from Yemen, has said.

Jaradi, who spoke to the "Ilaf" web site, said he and several hundred other
Jews still living in Yemen, refused to immigrate to Israel because they
believed the state had lost its Jewish character.

"Israel has no religion, Torah or morals. Your daughter is no longer your
daughter, your son is no longer your son, and everyone does as he pleases. This
is no way to run a Jewish family", he said.

According to Jaradi, the Jews in Yemen have good relations with the
Moslems. "We live adjacent to them and there is no problem. God bless the
president, Ali Abdullah Saleh", he noted.

Jaradi added that the number of delegations who arrived in Yemen in an attempt
to persuade them to come to Israel has declined in recent years. "They used to
come very often, offering us money, but we refused to leave our homes", he
concluded.

www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=12070

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www.rense.com/general61/mord.htm

Czy wy sobie zdajecie sprawe

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ze zyjecie w autentycznej paranoi?



Izraelski parlament uchwalił w środę ustawę, której celem jest pozbawienie
członków rodzin terrorystów pomocy materialnej i zasiłków, które otrzymują od
różnych organizacji oraz instytucji. Równocześnie Szaron zapewnił, że nie
będzie niczym ograniczać działań wojska izraelskiego

Ustawa stwarza podstawy prawne do wymierzania kary od 7 do 10 lat więzienia
każdej osobie prywatnej lub działającej z ramienia jakiejś instytucji bądź
organizacji, która pomaga finansowo członkom rodziny terrorysty

Ustawa zabrania udzielania pomocy również dzieciom terrorystów, którzy zginęli
jako zamachowcy-samobójcy lub zostali zabici

Nowe prawo wymierzone jest też przeciwko działalności Organizacji Islamski Ruch
Izraela, która od lat prowadzi zbiórkę pieniędzy wśród społeczności arabskiej w
tym kraju na cele pomocy Palestyńczykom w Strefie Gazy i na Zachodnim Brzegu
Jordanu

Pod zarzutem, iż pomoc ta dociera również do członków rodzin i dzieci
zamachowców-samobójców, w zeszłym roku, zanim jeszcze uchwalono ustawę, został
uwięziony w Izraelu lider tej organizacji, Raed Saleh, i czterej inni jej
członkowie

"brytyjczycy"

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politics.guardian.co.uk/politicspast/story/0%2C9061%2C1381811%2C00.html

zadnego wstydu

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Dealers Accused Of
Unholy Fraud In Israel
Herald Sun - Australia
12-31-4

(AP)

Oj kochaja was, kochaja

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www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1104808686264&p=1078113566627

A jak tam towarzysz Morel?

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Czy dobrze sie miewa?

mazowsze.k-raj.com.pl/1076951505,63167,.shtml

To ci dopiero kultura

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www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=war_israel_palestine&Number=293241910#Post293241910

[fredzio54]

bijemy gojow gnojow na okolo
szkoda ze tsunami nie byl u arabow

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no to rozumiem , hucpa wraca w wielkim stylu ....

Srebrny medal dla hutzpalandu

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Survey: Israel Is Number 2 Threat To World Peace, Just After Iraq

w w w . h a a r e t z d a i l y . c o m

Israel was ranked number two, just after Iraq, on a list of countries that
threaten world peace, according to a recent survey conducted by French
newspapers. Syria, Iran and Libya also appear on the list, albeit after Israel.
The survey was conducted jointly by five local dailies in northwest France,
which have a combined readership of about 175,000.

The list includes a total of 15 countries. Following Iraq and Israel were
Afghanistan, the United States, Palestine, Iran, Pakistan, Algiers and Libya in
that order. Syria appears number 12 on the list.

A similar survey carried out a year ago ranked Israel "only" number four on the
list of countries that threaten world peace.

"There is no doubt that distortions in the French media influence the survey,"
Deputy Foreign Minister Rabbi Michael Melchior said in reponse to the
list. "Even if there is a legitimate criticism of Israel, in many cases we see
a distortion of reality in the French media, which explains the absurd results
of the survey. In any event, we do not apologize for our existence."

By Yair Sheleg, Ha'aretz Correspondent

Pokojowe hutzpiarstwo chce wyburzyc dalsze 3000 do

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www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/11/article03.shtml

obrzydliwe !!!!

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www.nydailynews.com/front/v-pfriendly/story/277069p-237314c.html

Zgadza sie - nawet bardzo glupie.

[zejman1]

Oto probka publicystyki "swietnego emigracyjnego dziennikarza",Zb.Koreywy
vel "Zabalansowanego":

"(...)W praktyce wygląda to w wielkim skrócie następująco: zwróciłem się do
któregokolwiek banku z prośbą o pożyczkę w wysokości 100 000 dolarów na budowę
nowego gniazda rodzinnego. Ponieważ mam stałą pracę plus odpowiednie
zabezpieczenie (na przykład bank zawsze może zlicytować mój dom, kiedy
przestanę płacić odsetki) moja prośba została załatwiona pozytywnie i odtąd
pieniądze zaczynają być przelewane z banku do mojej firmy budowlanej. Problem
tylko w tym, że zgodnie z prawem (Fractional Reserve Banking), bank produkuje
pieniądze z niczego czyli nominalnie warte są one tyle, ile kosztował papier
plus farba drukarska. Niemniej tymi pieniędzmi są opłacani murarze, stolarze,
elektrycy, hydraulicy i dziesiątki innych firm, zwykle utrzymujących się z
budowy domów. Wszyscy oni znaczną część tych pieniędzy przeznaczają na kupno
dóbr komercyjnych czyli wprowadzają w obieg pieniądze bez pokrycia.
Niewiarygodnie to brzmi aczkolwiek jest to prawdą. Zgodnie z prawem
amerykańskim, bank ma prawo dać na procent 10 razy więcej pieniędzy niż sam w
rzeczywistości ma. Oczywiście, wysoko kwalifikowani ekonomiści czy też
specjaliści od odwracania kota ogonem zawsze są w stanie wytłumaczyć taki stan
rzeczy szalenie naukowo. A co wybitniejsi fachowcy od farmazonerii to są nawet
w stanie przekonać chłopa, żeby sobie przerwał ciążę. Tyle tylko, że żeby nie
wiem jak to tłumaczyli ale recesje zdarzają się z dużą regularnością i wtedy
miliony zwykłych ludzi traci oszczędności, często zbierane przez całe pracowite
życie, które diabli biorą, nie wykluczone zresztą, że w dosłownym znaczeniu
tego słowa. Stopy oprocentowania skaczą w górę z dnia na dzień, tzw. papiery
wartościowe okazują się kompletnie bez wartości a w skrajnych wypadkach
hiperinflacja pożera wszelkie oszczędności.

A nawet bez oficjalnej tragedii czyli na co dzień, nasze pieniądze regularnie
tracą na wartości, co jest naukowo nazywane „indeksacją” a w rzeczywistości
chodzi o to, że na rynku jest za dużo wydrukowanych pieniędzy, które nie mają
pokrycia w produktach. Natomiast duże tragedie czyli depresje, recesje, kryzysy
mają za zadanie masowe wycofanie z rynku bezużytecznych pieniędzy głównie po
to, by zabawa rozpoczęła się od nowa. Tyle tylko, że jak zawsze poszkodowani są
jedynie i wyłącznie zwykli zjadacze chleba a właściciele globalnego folwarku
tylko zacierają garście, zastanawiając się w zaciszach luksusowych pałaców, jak
tu ukraść po parę dolarów dziennie każdemu szarakowi. Rzecz bowiem w tym, że
szaraków jest na świecie kilka miliardów.

I pomyśleć, że był kiedyś taki czas, kiedy nasza cywilizacja nie akceptowała
lichwy, zgodnie zresztą z nauczaniem Arystotelesa a później św. Tomasza z
Akwinu. Twierdzili oni, że pieniądze powinny być używane tylko do wymiany dóbr
a pożyczanie na procent niezgodne z prawem naturalnym, bowiem prędzej czy
później prowadzi to do korupcji. Jak bardzo mieli rację, widzimy to dziś gołym
okiem. Nawiasem mówiąc, jeśli ja lub ktokolwiek z P.T. szanownych czytelników
zrobi sobie idealną matrycę do druku pieniędzy, po czym przystąpi do ich
produkcji, natychmiast zainteresuje się nami policja no i skończymy w kryminale
za tzw. fałszerstwo pieniędzy. I nie ma sprawy, tak powinno być, bo aż strach
pomyśleć co by się działo, gdyby tak każdy mógł sobie drukować gotówkę. No, ale
banki mogą czyli co wolno wojewodzie to nie tobie smrodzie. Nie każdy bowiem
urodził się Rotszyldem czy też Rockefellerem. I tylko dziwne, że ten sam
proceder raz jest nazywany fałszerstwem a innym razem emisją środków
płatniczych."

Interesujacy jest fakt, ze "znajac" tak dobrze mechanizmy rzadzace gieldami
(bankami, itd) zwrocil sie "Zbalansowany" po...pozyczke "na dom"
do... "hucpiarzy".No, raczej do ktoregos mniejszego, miejscowego, "hucpiarza",
wyslugujacego sie z zapalem Rotszyldom i Rockefellerom...
Powinien byl - nasuwa sie mimo woli uczciwe rozwiazanie - raczej oszczedzac i
kupic swoje przyszle "gniazdko rodzinne" za gotowke. Znam takich w Szwecji i
taka maja zasade:nic na kredyt czy hipoteke.

W nedznym tym artykuliku, skonstruowanym w typowy dla niego sposob,
tj.antyzydowsko, powoluje sie "zbalansowana" kreatura na sw.Tomasza z Akwinu,
tracac zupelnie z oczu dobrze znany fakt, ze wlasnie w Rzymie , tuz obok zamku
sw. Aniola,juz od XIII w. rozwijac sie zaczely banki wloskie
udzielajacych...pozyczek na procent.I nie byly to banki zydowskie ale wloskie,
wlasnie. Potezne banki,ktore, ogaraniajc swym zasiegiem prawie cala owczesna
Europe zach. wprowadzily do obrotu pieniedzmi m.in...weksle...
Czyli forsa lubili zajmowac sie takze goje i zajmowali sie tym niegodnym
procederem calkiem dobrze.

Ale nie o tym chcialem mowic: chcialem przypomniec forumowiczom, ze piszac swe
wypociny kilkakrotnie nas "Zbalansowany" ostrzegal przed "swiatowym kryzysem
finansowym" wywolanym przez rotszyldowskich pacholkow.Date tego kryzysu,
cytujac jakies amerykanskie "gwiazdy" ekonomiczne", okreslil "Zbalansowany" na
miesiac luty.

Jesli jego proroctwo sie sprawdzi zostanie... zebrakiem a "gniazdko rodzinne"
bedzie musial sprzedac.Czego mu szczerze zycze. On, "Zbalansowany", dobrze
znajac od podszewki ekonomiczne mechanizmy ... wspomogl Rotszylda i
Rockefellera.
Czy mozna to nazwac inaczej jak przerazajaca glupota?
(Z)

sluchaj jerzy, zejman, czy jak tam jeszcze chcesz.

[zbalansowany]

jeszcze sie podpisac.

Ten Koreywo i ja czyli Zbalansowany nie mamy z soba nic wspolnego - ponial?

[i-love-2-ski]

zbalansowany napisał:

> jeszcze sie podpisac.
>
> Ten Koreywo i ja czyli Zbalansowany nie mamy z soba nic wspolnego - ponial?

zejman i tak wie,bez twojej pomocy,co swiatu potrzebne aby istnial. teraz jak
sie mozemy logowac, to bedziemy czesciej go wysluchiwali, a raczej jego madrosci
na temat hutzpy:)))

[zejman1]

zbalansowany napisał:

> jeszcze sie podpisac.
>
> Ten Koreywo i ja czyli Zbalansowany nie mamy z soba nic wspolnego - ponial?


Niet, Koreywo, nikak nie ponial.A poczemu? A potomu golubczik, szto jesli
srawnit Twoi teksty s tekstami "Koreywy" wychodzit wsio na odno i toze samoje:
odna ruka eto pisala.Twoja ruka, dorogoj.
Pozdrawljaju.
(Z -J)