Hey, polish, let's face the truth

[Gość: Max]

A colleague of mine, who knows polish, says you are discussing Ukraine and our
matters. You are welcome. But let me tell you something.
The wllbeing of Poland is rooted in the Ukrainian corruption/ You should pray
for presidents like Kucma and Kravchuk, who has for ten years alredy allowed
you to rob our country.
You just make a try and spend an our at the Ukrainian/Polish border. What can
you see there? Thousands of cas, busses, vans and trucks coming to Poland with
thosands of dollars each and the same traffic coming back with hundreds
thousands of tons of Polish products. And all of these goods are - smuggled
(przemyt). Allthiis smuggle makes nothing but ruins our economy.
If this smuggle stopped, the half of your economy would stop either. Any decen
President would have done it long ago. But not Kucma. Who makes us -
Ukrainians - pay for your wellbeing. Your President Kwasnjewsky knows this
pretty well. That's the main reason - why Poland does not introduce the visa
system for all Ukrainia smmuglers.
So. next time be ready to kiss Kuchma's hands, and taking a trip to some
foreign resort or bying a new car or a hous, please remember, that it has been
payed for you by Ukrainians.
Hope, this would not last forever. But if ever Ukraine falls into Russia's
embrace, do remember that this is your foult either. You have done everything
to make Ukraine poor and week. So, be ready to repent. if you cannot limit your
greediness, this will be done either by the new Ukrainian President or by ...
Putin.
So, take care.

Myckola

[Gość: tom]

You are right. Ukraine should be a part of Poland or Russia. They can not govern themselvs.
There is one thing to be a nation, another to be a country.

[Gość: Trepak]

...wow!,don't You going too far my polish or rusian friend.

The truth is somewhere else, my Ukrainian friend

[Gość: wlodek]

Hi Max. That was a very interesting experience to read Your article.But the
only conclusion I have from it is that You really know nothing about Poland and
its economy.The trade relations between our countires do not ammount for more
than 10% of our trade relations.So while certainly Ukraine is an important
trade partner for us ,we don`t depend on You(that is Ukraine) so much as You
suggest.Do You really belive that my car was bought for Your money? That`s
pretty surprising for me.I didn`t know that!I have never been to Ukraine and
still my well-being is dependent on You-poor Ukrainians, and not me- myself and
the ten years of a really hard economic transision.Learn some economy,make Your
national economy more competitive and use Ukrainian enormous recources
(natural,intellectual,strategical etc.) so that Ukraine becomes a self-
dependent state with a strong market-oriented economy.
As for me- I don`t feel like a bloodsucker of the poor Ukrainian
people.Everything I have I owe to my hard work and to the Poland`s efforts to
estabilsh a good-working capitalist economy. You should learn from countries
like Poland, instead of complaining. Everything is up to the Ukrainian
people.So get to work and change Your country from within.
With respect
Wlodek

[Gość: of world]

Mykola,
Your problem is that you do not know much about Ukraine or Poland. It is good that Poland is
separated from Ukraine. An they should stay separated. But do not knock the trade between the two
countries. Ukrainians do not only spend dollars in Poland, they sell goods, clothes, shoes, cooking
utensils, vodka, wine et c. I also know that Poles sell good in Ukraine. Thousands of Ukrainians work
in Poland. True only three months at a time, but they earn money in Poland and take the money back
home to Ukraine. In Krakow go to "Tandeta", many sales' stand attendands do not speak any Polish,
only Ukrainian. Poles buy their goods without discrimination. Ukrainian problem is their government,
from top to botom, From Kiev to the smallest village, not because of Kuczma, or other leaders, but
because you were too long under Russian rule, since 17th century. You never had a chance to be
independent. You are still learning democracy. Give yourselves another 20 to 30 years, you will be on
a par with the rest of the world. One more generation of people and you will be there. You need
Poland and Poland needs you, regardless of how much you hate each other. Think about this
logically, over 80 million Germans on the Polish side and close to 200 million Russians on your side
or to the north of you. 38 million Poles in one country and and 50 million Ukrainians in another sitting
between the two monster countries. Ekonomically and militarily the 88 million Poles and Ukrainians
stand a much better chance between the two monster countries. In the forseeable future the
possibility of war between any of these four countries in any combination will be all but non existant.
The biggest problem is economy, in particular export. Poland suffers from German, Dutch, British,
Italian and some American exports. Get together with Poles by any means possible and force the
Germans, Americans, Italians, Dutch and others to build factories in Ukraine, in Poland, so that
people have work. How do you do this.? Check out Brazil. Yes Brazil. Outside of Germany, Brazil has
the largest system of Volkswagen factories in the world. The same thing is true withe General Motors
of The United States in Brazil. The Brazilians simply told the "Biggies" at one piont in time, no more
imports. You want to sell your goods in Brazil, make them in Brazil! How many General Motors
factories, or Vlksvagen Factories are there in Poland or Ukraine? Ukraine economically joined with
Poland, Chech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania can accomplish the same, and much, much,
more. I was in Poland and in the Ukraine last year, and a year before. I worked in Amercan factories in
Brazil on and off for about 15 years. I hated the Brazilians for tying up some of my projects for months,
because I needed parts and machines to conclude the projects, and the Brazilians would not let me
import those in to their country, but I admired these same Brazilians for the way they were fighting
back the onslaugh of foreign imports into their country and succeeding. Just a thought, a suggestion
for some of you, still fighting as in the past, the Poles, the Ukrainians, the Lithuanians, The
Belorussians et c.

[Gość: Myckola]

Of World, thank you for your response. I agre with almost everything. (If you
pllease, reade my response to Vlodek)
But, I doubt Ukraine might be with Poland togethe. Would you agree, that the
Polish on the whole do not respect Ukrainians? If yes, what friendship can we
speak of?.. Remember the childhood? To make friends with somebody you often had
to fight - at first. To make that someone respect you. Usually that resulted in
a very strong friendsip.
For Ukraine to survive/ it has to "fight" in some way. Both with Russia and
Poland (USA, Germany, Japan (the Biggies) as well). It (Ukraine) has to prove
its right for existance, respect and friendship.
I like the challenge. But how can you imagine Kuchma like it?
With respect.
Myckola

to myckola

[Gość: wlodek]

Hi Myckola.I`m really surprised.How can You say that
Ukraine must fight with all its neighbours?Isn`t
cooperation better?I agree with You that the
Ukrainians are not the most respected people in
Poland,but the same thing could be said about the
opinion Ukrainians have on Poland.As neighbours and
countries with a long and common history that`s
obvious that there are some tensions between us.But
please belive me that most of my friends and me myself
have warm feelings towrdas Ukraine and its
people.Ukraine is not a lone island and it most take
painstaking efforts to become a stron and
internationally respected state.The same task lies
ahead of Poland.So let`s work together and make
friends.It`s time to change all the hostility that`s
between us into friendship!
Pozdrawiam
wlodek

[Gość: Miszka]

Priwiet

Drug, nie wołnujsa, my prożyli biez Rossiji i toże prożiwiom biez Ukrainy.
Nu ty praw, szto ukrainskie diengi pomagajut naszej ekonomikie.
Tagda, dawaj machniom .. ?
Diełat diengi eto samoje prijatnoje zaniatije.

Nu poka

Jesli by nie bylo przemytu to byscie latali nago.

[Gość: ivan]

Jesli by nie bylo przemytu o kturym
piszesz to byscie latali nago.

>...coming back with hundreds thousands of tons of Polish products.
>And all of these goods are - smuggled (przemyt).

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Gość portalu: Max napisał(a):
> You just make a try and spend an our at the Ukrainian/Polish border. What can
> you see there? Thousands of cas, busses, vans and trucks coming to Poland with
> thosands of dollars each and the same traffic coming back with hundreds
> thousands of tons of Polish products. And all of these goods are - smuggled
> (przemyt). Allthiis smuggle makes nothing but ruins our economy.
> Myckola

Do you really believe that?

[Gość: Myckola]

Do you really believe that?
Myckola

[Gość: of world]

To Mykola: Response to your second message, There is no more fighting. Only desperate and
ignorant people still believe in armed struggle, Jews vs Palestynians, some African nations, the
communist regime of China. Some nations in the pacific Islands, hardline Moslems like
Taliban, maybe few others. The rest of the world is competing. Ukrainians are good working people,
so are Poles. I saw them work together, in Great Britain, in USA, side by side. If they can work in
harmony in other countries, why not in their own countries? Good work ethics promote good quality
product, regardles of whether it is farming, making watches or building cars, or parts thereof. Good
quality product is what you sell on the open world market. You do not fight your neighbor any
more, like in the old days, you compete with him, and you compete with the rest of the world. You sell
your product, because you know its as good as or better than that from your competitor. This is a
much tougher war than killing. This is the fight of life not of death. There is no end to it as in death. But
you have to have a chance to start. After World War Two, Europe and in particular Germany and Great
britain, had Marshall Plan. The Americans financed the rebuilding of Western Europe. The same
thing happenned to Japan, South Korea. But there was no Marshall Plan for Brazil nor for any other
South American country. Yet they survived. They still have poor people, but they came a long way from
the jungles of Amazon to a growing industrial power. The likelihood of a Marshall Plan in Eastern
Europe is less than zero. This is why I used Brazil as an example country to study, in order to prepare
you for that, which is ahead for the countries like Ukraine, Poland, Romania et c. Poles are slightly
ahead of you, but they are faltering. Their unemployment is high and increasing. Yet import of goods
into Poland from the rest of Europe is as high as it ever was. In order to equalize they have to export
their goods to the western Europe. They have to close the borders to imports. There is an unwritten
rule in world of commerce, the best is export, if one is not permitted to bring goods into a country, one
makes the product in the country and sells it there. It is not as profitable in a short run, but it is good
for both parties in a long run. I do not see many German factories in Poland, less in Ukraine, but I
saw many German cars, in both countries, Poland and Ukraine, German stores in Poland, Italian
cloths, Italian shoes, Dutch cheeses, American hospital equipment. Why not make some of those in
a factory in Poland or Ukraine. Think about it. Better yet do something about it. Bring it up to the
people of Ukraine or of Poland. They are the power in those countries, they vote! They elect those who
run those countries. Take my examples here, expand on them, then send your message to the
press, where everybody can read this. Maybe some one will wake up and take the first step forward.

[Gość: gringo]

Put your dollars in your ass.We will manage to survive without you.

[Gość: Ziuta]

Dear Myckola,
It is amazing, how did you come to such conclusion !!!
Do you really think, that polish development and well-being is the result of
the small, regional border trade ?! ( Of course, it is in large scale, but still
small in comparison with the all country)
Do you really think, that polish economy depends on some ukrainian
coster-mongers?!
Is it not a kind of megalomania from your side ?

ok, let's face this truth

[Gość: jet]

A few questions:

How much money do Ukrainians earn monthly ? 20 dollars ? 25 ?
How many of them can afford a ("business")trip to Poland ?
Hwo much can they spend here ?
Did U compared prices in Poland and in the Ukraine?
Is it really so profitable to work in Kijew and spend these peanuts -let's
say- in Rzeszow ?
A little bit of mathematics (instead of emotions) here, please.
If the Ukrainian people are so wealthy, why do they steal gas from Russia ?
It's so easy to blame the whole world for one's faults.

polish wrong grammar should be Polish

[Gość: kk]

[Gość: m]

Could you explain please, I am not sure whether I understand what you mean.
Thanks

[Gość: Maurycy]

Dear Mykola,
It is not necessary to be abusive towards the Poles. This does not make things
any better. Poland is not dependent on the suitcase trade with Ukraine, though
it helps the Ukrainin to survive the crisis. We had a similar situation in the
late 80s and early 90s. Do not complain to us about your Ukrainian leaders. We
did not elect them into these highest offices in your country, they were
elected by Ukrainian nationals. Vox populi vox dei. We cannot influence any
changes on people's sentiments towards "good and fantastic prosperity" under
the communism when all the satalite countries were working for the prosperity
of the "glorius USSR" and the Ukraine as a part of it. Instead of complaining,
take matters in your hands, start a business, give people employment and most
important pay them resonable wages. That way you will produce goods needed in
Ukraine, sell them locally or if they are good enough export them. What's more
you should educate your friends in this way of thinking. The results will
certainly be very positive. I am not trying to preach the obvious facts of
economics but make you aware that positive thinking very often is more
important than negative critisism, that tries to find faults in others as the
cause of present situation in Ukraine. It is your country and keep it that way.
The responsibility is also yours not ours, the Poles. Forming friendship
between our two nations should be your prime goal and you do not make friends
that way.

Yours sincerely,

Maurycy, Jelenia Gora, Poland

[Gość: mario]

Hi,Guys-is nice to read Your english.Can you avoid so many errors?It is hard to
read.Please!!!!

[Gość: mario]

Hi,Guys-is nice to read Your english.Can you avoid so many errors?It is hard to
read.Please!!!!

[Gość: MOMO]

Hey , Max you are a lowlife idiot. Go skrew yourself and don't come back.

[Gość: maswider]

Cross-border trade trade is not smuggling - it is an essential part of life in
the times of open borders. Anyone would prefer to buy things at home - you just
have to have a choice and quality. It makes no sense to go to Poland and buy
things if similar are available at home, at similar price and of same quality.
Our economy is certainly not dependent on cross-border trade with Ukraine.