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Question to English speaking Poles

20.06.03, 00:47
Do you think the world today would be better or worse off with out Israel?
The question is not to imply we should eliminate Israel at this time after
some 56 years in existence. The question is, if Israel was never created how
would our world look today. Tell us what you think and more important why.


Here is my take from American Perspective:


The state of Israel is built on a lie, is defended and maintained by lies and
supported by liars. As we are seeing, lies are incredibly hard to prop up and
continue in the face of truth. Lies need constant defense, while truth simply
is. Without Israel, all the time, resources, effort and blood that goes into
defending the lie wouldn't be necessary.


When God gave the land to the Israelites (an important distinction from
Israelis) he told them to kill everything. Of course, they didn't, for
whatever reason, but they didn't do what God told them to do. Now, Israel is
quite capable and would dearly love to plow the Palestinians into the ocean.
Killing them all would be the answer to their problem. But now they can't
because they no longer have the mandate from God, and in that finale the
hypocrisy of their action would itself be the song of the infamous fat lady.


So they made their problem, our problem. The terrorism facing the world today
is an Israeli invention. It is a tactic embraced by the Israelis from the
very beginning as pointed out by a former Israeli Prime Minister and veteran
of the Israeli terror campaign against the British...


“Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a
means of combat.” (Yitzhak Shamir, Journal of the LEHI, the Stern Gang,
Summer, 1943) quoted in Facts and Fables, by Gliffor A. Wright, p.46.



“Every time you blow up a British arsenal, or wreck a British jail, or send a
British railroad-train sky high, or rob a British bank, or let go with your
guns and bombs at the British betrayers and invaders of your homeland,” he
gloated, “the Jews of America make a little holiday in their hearts.” he
concluded by assuring his ‘brave friends, we are working to help you. We are
raising funds for you....”43(Zaar,, op,cit,pp 241-242 as quoted in Bitter
Harvest by Sami Hadawi p.62).



A partial list of events the world could have done without...


The first airplane hijacked was committed by Israel in 1954 when a civilian
Syrian airliner was hijacked immediately after taking off.(Walid Khalidi,
Palestine Reborn)


The first car bomb was an invention of the Zionists(ENC,90-91).


Grenades in cafes, first used against Palestinians in Jerusalem on 17 March,
1937(Enc,90-91).


Delayed-action, electrically timed mines in crowded market-places: first
against Palestinians in Haifa, 6 July, 1938.(Enc,90-91)


Assassination of government official outside Palestine: first used against
the British in Cairo, 6 November, 1944 when Lord Moyne, Secretary of State,
was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and
later leader of the Stern Gang was behind the plan(Enc. and Bitter Harvest).


Taking of hostages to put pressure on a government: first used against the
British in Tel Aviv, 18 June, 1946(Encyclopedia,p.67).


Blowing up government offices with their civilian employees and visitors:
first used against the British in Jerusalem, 22 July, 1946. The toll was 91
Britons, and 46 injured in King David Hotel. Begin, who masterminded and
carried out the attack admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and
carried out under the instruction of the Haganah(Enc.pp.267-8).


Booby-trapped suitcase: first used against the British Embassy in Rome, 13
October, 1946.


Booby-trapped car parked alongside buildings: first used against the British
in Sarafand (east of Jaffa) on 5 December, 1946.


Flogging of hostages: first used against the British in Tel Aviv, Natanya and
Rishon, 29 December, 1946.


Letter-bombs sent to politicians outside Palestine: first used against
Britain when twenty letter-bombs were sent from Italy to London between 4 and
6 June, 1947(Enc.Palestine.68-69).
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    • greatwhite Oczywiście 20.06.03, 00:55
      Oczywiście z chęcią przeczytam wasze opinie w polskim języku. Czytanie jest
      znacznie łatwiejsze niż pisanie:)
      • Gość: Tysprowda Re:Oczywiście terrozyzm jest dobry dla terrorystow IP: 168.187.1.* 20.06.03, 10:05
        Pisalem na ten temat wielokrotnie: terroryzm jest dobry gdy jest zwycieski dla
        terrorystow.

        Zarowno Izrael jak i USSA powstaly dzieki zwycieskiemu terroryzmowi przeciwko
        Brytyjczykom, Republika Francuzka przeciwko krolowi, ZSRR przeciwko carowi,
        panstwa poludniowo-amerykanskie przeciwko krolom hiszpanskim i portugalskim.
    • Gość: wojo!!!! Stop it stupid!!!! IP: *.tnt17.chi5.da.uu.net 20.06.03, 06:56
      greatwhite you will be greatred when you see our people.
      Cut it out you fucken treator you fucken roten seed in our
      jewish flock.
      • Gość: !!! Re: dyskryminacja? IP: 195.152.54.* 20.06.03, 11:42
        what about polish speaking brits?
        • Gość: a Re: Peace or war IP: 168.103.126.* 20.06.03, 15:07
          our duty is to unite for peace. Israel and GWB mislead the world.
      • greatwhite ___________Hot Air!_________________ 20.06.03, 15:23
        that's what you're blowing. refute a single fact, discredit a single event.
        the words of the israeli prime minister speak for themselves.






        Gość portalu: wojo!!!! napisał(a):

        > greatwhite you will be greatred when you see our people.
        > Cut it out you fucken treator you fucken roten seed in our
        > jewish flock.
    • Gość: funkyzyte Re: Question to English speaking Poles IP: *.nyc.rr.com 20.06.03, 15:53
      Dear Mr or Mrs greatwhite,
      thank you very much for exposing your dick and balls.
      What a bunch of baloney. Pure gibberish.
      Nevertheless, keep posting.

      Question: There were no palestinians until 1967. Where were they?
      • Gość: Tysprowda Re: Question to English speaking Poles IP: 213.189.72.* 20.06.03, 16:06
        Funkyzyte, kto to taki?
        faszystowsko-zydowski propagandzista maly.

        Jaki znak jego?
        Kawal durnej paly.

        Fakty sa dla niego "exposing dick and balls"!
        • Gość: funkyzyte Re: Question to English speaking Poles IP: *.nyc.rr.com 20.06.03, 16:15
          Szkoda, ze Tysprowda nie rozumie co oznacza "exposing dick and balls"
          ale coz ja biedny moge poradzic na jego debilizm.

          Szkoda rowniez, ze a nie przedstawil ani jednego faktu a raczej propagande w
          stylu "Prawdy". Zapewne czerpi z palestynskich zrodel.

          PS. Do 1948 roku termin palestynczycy uzywany byl na okreslenie ludnosci
          zamieszkujacej Palestyne (Zydow i Arabow). Wystarczy tylko zajrzec do zrodel.
          A "fakty" upieczone przez a i potwierdzone przez Tysprowda mozna uzywac jako
          papieru toaletowego.

          PS2. Tysprowda, na jakiej podstawie nazywasz mnie zydowsko-faszystowskim
          propagandysta?
      • greatwhite _____Hot Air & #35 II___________________ 20.06.03, 16:06
        that's what you're blowing. refute a single fact, discredit a single event.





        Gość portalu: funkyzyte napisał(a):

        > Question: There were no palestinians until 1967. Where were they?



        This is the most idiotic argument Israel could ever come up with since before
        1945/1947 there never was such a thing as Israel and 2/3 of the land Israel
        took was occupied by Arabs. How quickly they forget.
        • Gość: !!! Re: israel IP: 195.152.54.* 20.06.03, 16:21
          I don’t have a problem with israel, but israel within ’67 borders
          Israel without (illegal) nuclear, chemical and biological arsenal
        • Gość: funkyzyte Bullshit IP: *.nyc.rr.com 20.06.03, 16:32
          This is the most idiotic argument Israel could ever come up with since before
          1945/1947 there never was such a thing as Israel and 2/3 of the land Israel
          took was occupied by Arabs.

          First of all, I do not speak for Israel.
          So I read there was no such thing as Israel before 1947? You must be
          delusional. Is that a fact, one of many such "facts"?
          It is ridiculous to bring up the past and argue who was first.
          My take on whole thing is very simple and kind of nonchalant.
          Either Arabs accept Israel as their neighbor and live in relative peace
          or they fight until one of them looses. Either way is OK with me.
          • greatwhite Maybe some facts instead Bullshit? 20.06.03, 16:56
            Gość portalu: funkyzyte napisał(a):

            > This is the most idiotic argument Israel could ever come up with since
            before
            > 1945/1947 there never was such a thing as Israel and 2/3 of the land Israel
            > took was occupied by Arabs.
            >
            > First of all, I do not speak for Israel.
            > So I read there was no such thing as Israel before 1947? You must be
            > delusional. Is that a fact, one of many such "facts"?



            IT is a fact. Israel was created after WWII.
            If you don’t agree then please tell me when was Israel created.

            www.adl.org/Israel/Conversion/creation.asp






            > It is ridiculous to bring up the past and argue who was first.


            I agree but you started it by saying: There were no palestinians until 1967.
            Where were they?


            > My take on whole thing is very simple and kind of nonchalant.
            > Either Arabs accept Israel as their neighbor and live in relative peace
            > or they fight until one of them looses. Either way is OK with me.


            There is more to it.
            Israel after WWII was given land but Israel is no longer within boundaries of
            the country it was given to Jews. Israel is actively stealing more and more
            land while talking about peace. Jewish settlements are illegal and until GWB
            and Israel commit to removing all settlements from occupied territories Arabs
            will never agree to peace. This is the master plan of The Road to Peace. The
            plan is to show the world Arabs will not agree to peace no matter what. But
            how could they agree to peace without Israel moving back to Israel?

            Israel chopped up occupied land with illegal settlements in an effort to
            suffocate Arabs living there. (We are not talking abou Israel, only about land
            beyond boarders of a country called Israel). By creating totally isolated Arab
            towns and villages, with out any chance for any kind of economical or cultural
            interaction with the rest of the country, with out water, with fertile land
            for Jews only, Israel knows these people will have to eventually move or
            starve. This is the plan so tell me how Arabs could ever agree to peace
            without Jews moving back to Israel?
      • greatwhite Funkyzyte 20.06.03, 16:29
        The question was whether or not we would be better off with or without Israel.
        I gave you my opinion. If you don’t agree then tell me we would be worse off
        without and why. Simple, isn’t it?



        Gość portalu: funkyzyte napisał(a):

        > Dear Mr or Mrs greatwhite,
        > thank you very much for exposing your dick and balls.
        > What a bunch of baloney. Pure gibberish.
        > Nevertheless, keep posting.
        >
        > Question: There were no palestinians until 1967. Where were they?
        • Gość: funkyzyte Re: Funkyzyte IP: *.nyc.rr.com 20.06.03, 16:39
          It is an academic discussion without any meaning and merit.
          Reality is what it is.
          One can ask: Would I be better off having third arm?
          No one can answer such a question. In real life one problem is replaced by
          another. If it wouldn't be Israel, what would it be?
          Unless you believe in miracles and tooth ferry.
          • greatwhite Re: Funkyzyte 20.06.03, 17:12
            Gość portalu: funkyzyte napisał(a):

            > It is an academic discussion without any meaning and merit.
            > Reality is what it is.
            > One can ask: Would I be better off having third arm?
            > No one can answer such a question. In real life one problem is replaced by
            > another. If it wouldn't be Israel, what would it be?
            > Unless you believe in miracles and tooth ferry.



            You are right however I strongly believe that with out Israel the Twin Towers
            in NYC would be still standing. US didn’t always support Israel and until US
            started this unconditional, unbelievable, hard to explain support, protection
            and financing of Israel there wasn’t any terrorism aimed at US initiated by
            Arabs. Arabs hate Jews, Jews hate Arabs so why get involved by supporting one
            side. What does US get for it? Only Terrorism.
            • Gość: funkyzyte Re: Funkyzyte IP: *.nyc.rr.com 22.06.03, 17:41
              US has always supported Israel. Since the day one.
              I think you're wrong in your assessment.
              Initially, Osama spelled the reasons for attacking Twin Towers without the
              reference to Israel. Remember? It was american military base on saudi soil.

    • new.yorker Re: Question to English speaking Poles 21.06.03, 16:05
      Unfortunately History is very one sided controlled by those in power.
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