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IP: *.proxy.aol.com 17.02.03, 06:24


An interesting article from the British "Independent" about Jews fleeing from
the "paradise" of the "Jewish" state to the "antisemitic" Poland and other EE
countries.


By Justin Huggler in Tel Aviv

15 February 2003
Despite the sheets of rain falling on Tel Aviv, a queue of people waiting for
passports stretched around the outside of the Polish embassy. Those who could
not huddle under the narrow door canopy stood and got wet. They were queuing
in a strange reversal of history: Israelis trying to get passports from a
country their parents and grandparents once fled.
The queue is there every week: the demand for passports from post-communist
countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary is suddenly huge.
The people applying for passports all had relatives who had lived in these
countries. Many fled because of the Nazi occupation and the Holocaust,
finding a safe haven in what was then British mandate Palestine.
But for some, Israel is no longer quite as secure as it was. Few of those
queuing said they planned to leave Israel but many said they wanted the
second passport as a reserve option "just in case".
For some, the relentless violence of the conflict with the Palestinians is a
reason to be here. "It is to do with the security situation," Eyal Goldstein
said, standing in the rain. "I want to raise a family and I want security for
my children."
A life in which you can die in a suicide bombing when you get on the bus to
go to work, or sitting in a café, has taken its toll on some. Mr Goldstein
had just completed his military service in the Israeli navy, at times off the
Gaza Strip. "I served Israel," he said. "I had to give three years and I gave
it."
But another part of the reason, perhaps a bigger one, Mr Goldstein said, was
the economic crisis in Israel. Many feel there will be better job
opportunities, better business openings, in Europe. After two years of the
Palestinian intifada, the Israeli economy is in a dire state. Unemployment is
soaring and the government has asked the United States for an extra $12bn
(£7.5bn) in aid to help Israel through the tough times.
Many of those in the queue outside the Polish embassy insisted they would
never leave Israel because of the security situation. "This is my country and
I'm going to stay here," Doron Neev said. But he said the economic crisis
would push him to look for business opportunities elsewhere. "I never thought
to get a Polish passport before," he said. "What would I do with a Polish
passport. But now Poland's going into the European Union I think it's a
valuable passport."
None of those in the queue said they were interested in a passport so they
could live or work in Poland. What they were after was an EU passport. The
EU's decision to admit Poland and other post-communist countries in 2004 has
set off the rush for passports.
Mr Neev knows how valuable a passport can be. His parents were in Poland
during the Second World War. They had already emigrated to British Palestine
but went back to visit in 1939. "They got caught," he said. "Luckily they had
British passports because they lived here. They got stuck in Poland for one
year but they got out."
Without British passports, they probably would have died in the Holocaust.
Poland's Jews were rounded up by the Nazis and forced to live in desperately
cramped ghettoes where they were subject to brutal treatment by Nazi guards.
Most Jews went to the gas chambers.
One woman in the queue – she would not give her name – remembered those
times. She was 10 when she left Poland, in 1948. "I cannot forget it," she
said of the war. "I felt it on my body." She began to weep silently. "I don't
want to speak about it," she said.
She had not come for a passport but for information about her father's
history in Poland. "I am too old to do something with the European Union,"
she said. But she was not troubled by so many Israelis queuing for Polish
passports. "It's good for young people," she said. "I mean, today it's good
to live in Germany."
At the Hungarian embassy, a short distance away among the low-rise expensive
suburbs of Tel Aviv, the situation was similar. One man, who would give his
name only as George – his Hungarian name before he moved to Israel and took
an Israeli one – had been queuing for hours. "Some of the people came here at
6am," he said.
George left Hungary as a child in 1946, having survived the Holocaust there.
Now he is applying for Hungarian citizenship. "It's not for me, it's for my
sons," he said. "It's nothing to do with the security situation here. It's
economic. I don't have a problem taking citizenship. I still have family in
Hungary."
* Yasser Arafat publicly confirmed yesterday that he had agreed to appoint a
Palestinian prime minister. Mr Arafat has been under pressure from the US to
retire to a largely symbolic role and appoint a prime minister to take over
the day-to-day Palestinian leadership and future negotiations with the
Israeli government.
But it remains to be seen whether Mr Arafat is prepared to take a back seat,
and how much power he will allow a new prime minister. Saeb Erekat, a
Palestinian cabinet minister, said the prime minister would report to Mr
Arafat. Terje Roed-Larsen, the chief Unied Nations envoy to the region, said
Mr Arafat had told him the appointment would be made "immediately, which must
mean within the next few days". It is not clear who it will be.
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    • Gość: troll Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.tor.primus.ca 17.02.03, 07:42
      Mistrzostwo! Teraz wpuscie sobie troche gudlajow, to sie ladnie wyrowna za te
      wredna Polonie - bilans musi wyjsc na zero. Wwioza wam teraz troche
      upragnionych dularow (dobrowolnie, hej!), a pozniej szykujcie sie zwawo na
      obrzezanie i na ulice, bo zgadnijcie - czyje beda kamienice, hehehehe?

      Zamienil stryjek siekierke na kijek? smile
      • Gość: Gumba J A PESEL maja ? IP: *.proxy.aol.com 17.02.03, 16:36
        Mam ndzieje, ze wszysco kandydaci na polskich obywateli maja w porzadku
        wszystkie papiery, wliczajac w to numer PESEL i swiadectow urodzenia w
        oryginale, ktore zostawia w polskich aktach polskiego urzedu, wydajacego polski
        paszporcik.
    • Gość: John Kowalski Praca na Zachodzie... IP: *.wpt.ptd.net 17.02.03, 16:23
      Wyglada na to ze nasi rodacy z RP beda miec nawet wieksza konkurencje na
      zachodnioeuropejskich rynkach pracy niz sie tego spodziewali.

      A Polacy ze wschodu jak nie dostawali paszportow tak nie dostaja...
    • Gość: ja101 Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.ny5030.east.verizon.net 17.02.03, 16:48
      Interesting Times.
      Some of my friends (I live in NY) consider moving back to Poland too.
      • Gość: jot-23 Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.dyn.optonline.net 17.02.03, 16:51
        Gość portalu: ja101 napisał(a):

        > Interesting Times.
        > Some of my friends (I live in NY) consider moving back to Poland too.

        panie powracajacy, a przeczytal pan ten artykol chociaz?

        to ja panu na wszelki wypadek zacytuje:

        "None of those in the queue said they were interested in a passport so they
        could live or work in Poland. What they were after was an EU passport."
        • Gość: ja101 Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.ny5030.east.verizon.net 17.02.03, 20:26
        • Gość: ja101 Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.ny5030.east.verizon.net 17.02.03, 20:31
          To prawda ze oni (israel) mysla raczej o eu dlatego ze polska jest dla nich
          obca. Polacy decydujacy sie na wyjazd ze stanow raczej wybiora polske.
          Przeslanie tego artykulu nie jest wyjazd do Polski czy eu ale wyjazd ze strefy
          zagrozenia. Nikt ze stanow nie wyjezdza z mysla ze w polsce bedzie mu
          latwiej / lepiej. Teraz ci co jada to mysla ze bedzie im w polsce
          bezpieczniej.

          pozdrawiam
          ja
          • Gość: jot-23 Re: back to Poland-english IP: *.dyn.optonline.net 17.02.03, 20:37
            Gość portalu: ja101 napisał(a):

            Teraz ci co jada to mysla ze bedzie im w polsce
            > bezpieczniej.
            >
            > pozdrawiam
            > ja

            jak to mowia, w mysleniu jest przyszlosc :>... bylo juz pare watkow o tych co
            wracali... ta gowniana wyszukiwarka gazety, niestety nie pomaga w znalezieniu
            niczego. ja osobiscie nie wroce, jezeli juz...to wyniose sie z NY...zreszta to
            juz jest in motion... mieszkalem tu za dlugo...duzo roznych factors.. co do
            powrotu do polski.... nie mam zamiaru uzerac sie z mlodymi gniewnymi i
            zdesperowanymi w szukaniu pracy, nie chce zaczynac budowy domu od 2-metrowego
            muru... ani biegac co drugi dzien do uzedu i byc na sile mily dla jakis kolkow
            od ktorych zalezy "pieczatka" ...
    • Gość: Pawel_z_Melbourne nie mylmy pojec... IP: *.sunsh2.vic.optusnet.com.au 17.02.03, 21:04
      oni chca paszport, a nie wracac:

      "None of those in the queue said they were interested in a passport so they
      could live or work in Poland. What they were after was an EU passport. "

      ----
      ale i tak zabawnie

      smile))
      P.

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