Making it in the UK

[Gość: Elisabeth]

My name is Elisabeth Blanchet, I am a French free-lance London-based
photographer and journalist. I would like to do a feature (text and photo)
about a Pole (male or female or both) who wants to come and make it in the
UK. The idea would be to follow this person from Poland to the UK. So I am
basically looking for someone who would be ok to be followed during his/her
trip across Europe, by bus, plane or whatever.

Along the trip, I’ll take some pictures of the person and also record and
write his/her story: why he/she left, what are his/her feelings about leaving
Poland, his/her hopes and expectations about his/her new life in the UK.

I will also keep on following the person at the arrival in London and take
some pictures at different places, where the person is supposed to go: like
Victoria Station (if we catch the bus) and this corner shop in West London
called “the crying wall” and the place where he/she is going to be
accommodated.

Then the idea would be to follow the person in London or elsewhere in the UK
and arrange regular appointments to see how the person is doing, what he/she
is achieving: Is what he/she lives everyday what he/she expected to?

As a free lance photojournalist, I am trying to make this story published in
a British magazine such as Time Out or in a week end supplement.

I would like to find someone who would be ready to leave Poland between the
28th of February and the 3rd of March 2005.

My details are: Elisabeth Blanchet/ 0044781573165/[e-mail]
www.lunaphotos.com


Please, don’t hesitate to contact me if you need further information! Thank
you.
Elisabeth

[natalia.brzeska]

So to sum up, you want to show how Poles AREN'T making it in the UK. Why do you
want to go to the, so called, "crying wall"? Do you really think that all Poles
hop on a bus to Victoria Station and go straight to the "crying wall?".

Why not do a feature on Poles who really ARE making it in the UK? About those
who don't need the "crying wall", those who make a decent living, buy houses,
have top-notch jobs and vacation in Australia? I'm talking about all the
doctors, architects, IT specialists and so on...

It really pisses me off that the media is portraying us as loosers sleeping at
Victoria Station, begging for money and even turning to crime.
And you are the next one wanting to do it. It's getting kind of boring, you
know...



Gość portalu: Elisabeth napisał(a):

>
>
> My name is Elisabeth Blanchet, I am a French free-lance London-based
> photographer and journalist. I would like to do a feature (text and photo)
> about a Pole (male or female or both) who wants to come and make it in the
> UK. The idea would be to follow this person from Poland to the UK. So I am
> basically looking for someone who would be ok to be followed during his/her
> trip across Europe, by bus, plane or whatever.
>
> Along the trip, I’ll take some pictures of the person and also record and
>
> write his/her story: why he/she left, what are his/her feelings about leaving
> Poland, his/her hopes and expectations about his/her new life in the UK.
>
> I will also keep on following the person at the arrival in London and take
> some pictures at different places, where the person is supposed to go: like
> Victoria Station (if we catch the bus) and this corner shop in West London
> called “the crying wall” and the place where he/she is going to be
> accommodated.
>
> Then the idea would be to follow the person in London or elsewhere in the UK
> and arrange regular appointments to see how the person is doing, what he/she
> is achieving: Is what he/she lives everyday what he/she expected to?
>
> As a free lance photojournalist, I am trying to make this story published in
> a British magazine such as Time Out or in a week end supplement.
>
> I would like to find someone who would be ready to leave Poland between the
> 28th of February and the 3rd of March 2005.
>
> My details are: Elisabeth Blanchet/ 0044781573165/[e-mail]
> www.lunaphotos.com
>
>
> Please, don’t hesitate to contact me if you need further information! Tha
> nk
> you.
> Elisabeth

[Gość: nie zabojad]

Natalia! Thumbs up! I agree with you wholeheartedly!

[Gość: NIE ZABOJAD]

Hmm Hasn't it already been enough of this kind of stories in the newspapers in
UK? The topic becomes somwaht"old"...
Will you pay this person y or you just want to expect to thrive on their vanity?
By the way,you might be not aware but, though you might find the word Pole in
the dictionary it is a somewhat pejorative term, we prefer to be called Polish
just as you are French, mon amis.
What about making the story of a French making to London and becoming the
photographer OVER THERE??? :))))

[coox]

Ach wy zakompleksione maślaki z Polski, ktoś z was wogóle odwiedził stronkę i
obejrzał sobie zdjęcia tej dziewczyny, ciesze się że jadę sobie z tego kraju,
żyłem jakiś czas w Niemczech, wiem jak tam ceniona jest kreatywnośc i podążanie
za swoimi pragnieniami, każdy temat można pokazać z wielu stron cos co już brzmi
może banalnie Victoria station czy ściana płaczu w oczach tej dziewczyny i w jej
zdjęciach może wyglądac zupełnie inaczej.
Na szczeście ona nie jest Polką i tu nie mieszka.
Cieszę się że stąd jadę.

[Gość: Tomasz Kocoń]

My Dear Elisabeth,

What can I say...
At first: Polish not Pole.
Second: now its time for Polish in Poland - we can make a trip to London.

Better write about French going to US for work or to... England like you.

all the best
Tom

[Gość: Ola]

heheh dobre,Natalia.

Tomku,dobry pomysł podsunąłeś Elżbiecie aby napisała o Francuzach.
Szkoda tylko,bo wysiliła się laska.

[Gość: GrK]

Po raz kolejny odezwało się małozaściankowe zakompleksienie Polaczków, którzy
myślą, że wszyscy się z nich śmieją i patrzą na nich z góry. Posądzają Bogu
winnych ludzi o złe intencje, są napastliwi i agresywni, bo są przecież
Europejczykami pełną gębą. Gratuluję depresyjnego kompleksu niższości.
Co do słowa 'Pole' nie jest ono wcale negatywne, drodzy językoznawcy, spytajcie
się rodzimego użytkownika j. angielskiego jeśli nie wierzycie.

[Gość: nie zabojad]

dear Grk,
Hmm.. Believe me, journalist sometimes thrive on peoples' bad faith without a
shade of a mercy. I have seen enough similar atricles in the British press,
which are blowing out of proportion the quantity of Polish workers that arrived
to UK. The true facts and statistics are easly acccesible on teh Home Office
page.
My husband is a native English speaker (British) and he claims that the word
POLE is a pejorative term.You might find it in dictionary, though. It is
similar case as it is with the word NEGRO, which is also a legitimate word from
any dictionary. Nevertheless, try to call any black man NEGRO and you can
unavoidably count on an instant knuckle sandwitch.
In order to be polite, people use: POLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN, adjectives...

[Gość: GrK]

It so happens that my partner is British too and she says that the word 'Pole'
is not pejorative in British English, unlike 'Polack' in AmEn.

[Gość: nie zabojad]

GrK:
The knowledge of our native language vary depending on our education. For
instance, both people might be the native speakers but the person with the A-
level won't have the writing skills and knowledge of grammar at an eqivalent
level as the person with the masters or bachelors degree in humanities as the
my "one and only"The same situation applies in any language including Polish.
What I am implying here is that not every average native speaker must be
familiar with subtelties of all terms.With Respect.Non-Grenouille

[Gość: GrK]

To 'nie żabojad'. My partner has got a degree and is a teacher.
Kind regards,
GrK

Hey, Poles!

[ianek70]

Dzieciaki! Czy nie wydaje się dziwnie, że słowo "Pole" jest obrażliwe tylko dla
tych, którzy piszą pretensjonalną, niepoprawną angielszczyzną? Co prawda,
częściej mówi się np "I'm Polish" czy "I'm Swedish", ale rzeczowniki typu Pole,
Swede nie mają żadnych negatywnych skojarzeń. Ja skończyłem anglistykę na
brytyjskim uniwersytecie, uczę tego języka od lat i siedzę na dupnym stosie
słowników.
Pole n. Native or inhabitant of Poland [G, f. Pol. Polanie, lit field-dwellers
(pole = field)]
czyli neutralne, w przeciwieństwie do:
Polack n. (sl., derog.) Person of Polish origin
Z Concise Oxford Dictionary. Koniec sprawy.

[Gość: Ania]

Spoko,może być.

ale polaczek to wulgarne dla mnie słowo i już.

[natalia.brzeska]

<In order to be polite, people use: POLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN, adjectives...>

Well, being a linguist and a native speaker of the English language I have to
correct you on this one. People use THE French, THE Germans, THE Polish, which
are (collective) nouns, not adjectives...

However, this topic is not about the complexities of the English language, but
about Elizabeth's feature on "(not)Making it in the UK". So let's stick to that.
Regards,
NB

[natalia.brzeska]

BTW Elizabeth, how come your IP is Polish?

[Gość: GrK]

Why do you assume that Elisabeth wants to make a film about Poles who don't
make it in England, show me the line where she said so. Why do you envisage a
negative scenario before any volunteer actually agrees to take part in this
feature? What if someone agrees to be in it and does succeed? Why are Polish
people always so judgemental and oversuspicious?! (I am Polish myself, so I
feel I can be straightforward about this.

[Gość: nie zabojad]

GrK: Basing on the sheer experience with papparazi, dear ;) Regards

[natalia.brzeska]

<where the person is supposed to go: like
Victoria Station (if we catch the bus) and this corner shop in West London
called “the crying wall” >

This is WHY I assume Elizabeth wants to make a document about Poles that DON'T
make it in the UK. The crying wall is usually used as a last resort. And,
unfortunately it's full of lousy jobs for people with no qualifications and no
knowledge of the language whatsoever. Additionally, especially nowadays, it's
full of ads posted by people who want to make quick money by ripping others
off. So basically, a lot of the ads are scams.

Last but not least, never heard of any successful professionals going to
the "crying wall"...

[Gość: nie zabojad]

True, Natalia, You are very perceptive. Ms Blanchett uses a Polish
IP....:))))))) buhahahahah

[Gość: nie zabojad]

natalia,
but you must admit that when one asks you : "Are you Polish?" one uses
adjective rather than collective noun, mustn't you? Otherwise, the article
would be more then welcomed: "Are you the Polish?" Collective nouns are rather
used when we refer to the group: "The French love frogs and the Polish love
golonki" (sic!):))))))))))

Actually, it is a pity that it is not about the complexities of the English
language, as I love to discuss the linguistics with well manerred people:))

[natalia.brzeska]

Well, yes, when you ask someone, "Are you Polish?", you ARE using and
adjective. But correct me if I'm wong, in one of your previous posts you said
that instead of "Poles" we say "Polish", right? So obviously you were referring
to a group of people, in which case you MUST use "THE POLISH".

If you want to discuss the English language go to EDUKACJA->ENGLISH ONLY :-)
BTW - there ARE some nice people there :-)

[Gość: nie zabojad]

hmm. You are right. I shoudl have elaborated it further...

I am just about to visit Edukacja-Englsh.Sounds interesting.
From my side, I recommend another great forum: ang.pl, where I am a frequent
visitor;)

[natalia.brzeska]

oh yes, read that one often. anglisci.pl was good. Where are they now?

[Gość: nie zabojad]

hmm.. I am not familiar with anglisci.pl.... Must check this one as well.
This one is around 2 year old baby:: www.ang.pl

[natalia.brzeska]

Unfortunately anglisci.pl doesn't exist anymore.... :-(

[Gość: Adam]

Mów za siebie,skoro jesteś polaczkiem to twój problem.Ja jestem polakiem!

[Gość: Adam]

to było do Grk

[Gość: dzieki]

Hej Polacy,

Aby wyjasnic kilka kwestii:
- IP sie zgadza - chcac pomoc kolezance z UK, umiescilam ten post na forum,
myslac iz to godny pomysl
- bylo warto - byc moze dziewczyna wybije sobie z glowy pomysl, ktory
oryginalnym byc nie mogl
- anyway - miala dobre zamiary, a my Polacy (Poles, Polish;-) szybko je -
cokolwiek to znaczy - jezeli ktokolwiek z Was zna osobe, ktora moze chcialaby
zmienic wizerunek Polaka za granica, to moze sie kontaktowac bezposrednio
mailem na a/m adres
- mam nadzieje, ze mimo wszystko nie udalo Wam (nam) sie skutecznie zniechecic
dziewczyny i nie zrezygnuje z przyjazdu do Polski, ktory... czy moze cos
zmienic w obrazie Polaka "w" i "poza" Polska?
- macie jakies pomysly na reportaz, to dajcie znac
Pozdrawiam,
Pole, Polish, Polonaise... whatever, man kind representative (by waiting your
comments reg. my dirty language;-)

[Gość: taaa]

A taki Sidney Pollack tp kto, bo juz sie pogubilem :)

Problem wynikl pewnie z tego, ze dziewczyy same chca trafic do tego
fotoreportazu, no wiesz, zdjecia w gazecie i to brytyjskiej :)
Ale tak to jest jak sie baby zaczna klocic, to sie rzucily na Elisabeth.

Dziewczyny, nie robcie scen, zadzwncie do niej, niech eliminacje beda fair play.

I to sledztwo w sprawie IP. Jacy kurcze wszyscy sa sophisticated hackers.

[Gość: GrK]

Do Adama: 'Polak' pisze sie z duzej litery 'polaku'

[Gość: dzieki]

- macie pomysly na na to jak zrewidowac nasz obrazek "tu i tam" - piszcie
bezposrednio do Elisabeth
[e-mail]

[Gość: Adam]

Do Grk.Nie napisałem Polak z małej litery specjalnie.Pisałem na szybko bo
denerwują mnie takie polaczki jak ty.Jeśli chcesz być polaczkiem to twoja
sprawa.Ja jestem Polakiem.Teraz pasuje?

[Gość: GrK]

Kompletnie nie zrozumiałeś mojego wywodu - Polak a nie zna j. polskiego.

[Gość: Adam]

Widzę,że kompletnie mnie nie zrozumiałeś.Nic dziwnego skoro masz się za
polaczka.

[Gość: GrK]

Powiedz mi gdzie napisalem, ze uwazam sie za 'polaczka'.

[Gość: Adam]

A kim jesteś.Perzecież urodziłeś sie chyba w Polsce???

No chyba,że gdzieindzej.:)

[Gość: GrK]

Ręce mi opadają - kończę temat.

[Gość: Adam]

Czyżby zabolało Cię ,że nazwałem Cię polaczkiem a nie Polakiem?Czy jest jakaś
różnica między polaczkiem a Polakiem?Jeśli jej nie widzisz to po cóż się
burzysz?

[Gość: Polack]

Oh come on people,give her a break!By the way- USA rules!!!!!

[Gość: gosc]

I think you should follow French people coming to UK ...Poles are coping really
well wherever they go and do not need someone like you to follow them and this
is Polish not French site by the way!!!!

[ianek70]

Gość portalu: gosc napisał(a):

> I think you should follow French people coming to UK ...Poles are coping
really
>
> well wherever they go and do not need someone like you to follow them and
this
>
> is Polish not French site by the way!!!!
Więc dlaczego piszesz po angielsku?

[mag_21]

???