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zupagrzybowa Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple? 28.02.02, 03:38 www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple? By P.N. Oak (Historian) Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says: "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest." For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script: "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". (Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul). [Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.] A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions: That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded. An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower. Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription. In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim. The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul- Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. 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Gość: HEUREZJA ArtCHiMediaLHeúresis.... IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 26.10.04, 23:42 Heurystyka to metoda znajdowania rozwiązań dla której nie ma gwarancji znalezienia rozwiązania optymalnego, a często nawet prawidłowego. Rozwiązań tych używa się np. wtedy, gdy pełny algorytm jest z przyczyn technicznych zbyt kosztowny, lub gdy nie jest nawet znany (np. przy przewidywaniu pogody). Metodę używa się też często do znajdowania rozwiązań przybliżonych, na podstawie których później wylicza się ostateczny rezultat pełnym algorytmem. Zobacz też: podstawowe zagadnienia z zakresu matematyki, sztuczna inteligencja. Źródło: "pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heurystyka" ........................................................ www.univ.szczecin.pl/PU/PU69_71/heuryst.html ............................................................ heureka (pop. eureka) znalazłem! (okrzyk radości z rozwiązania trudnego problemu). heurystyka filoz. umiejętność odkrywania nowych prawd przez odpowiednie stawianie hipotez; umiejętność wyszukiwania i gromadzenia materiałów hist. heurystyczny. heureza psych. metoda nauczania, mająca nakłonić ucznia do aktywnych, samodzielnych obserwacji, doświadczeń, poszukiwań, a nie do biernego przyswajania gotowych wiadomości. Etym. - gr. heúresis 'znalezienie' i heúrēka 'znalazłem' od heurískein 'odkrywać, znajdować'; okrzyk, który, wg anegdoty, wydać miał Archimedes, biegnąc nago przez ulice Syrakuz do domu z łaźni, gdzie nagle udało mu się sformułować prawo wyporu hydrostatycznego (nazwane później zasadą Archimedesa); por. Professorenwitze. ...................................... heurystyka Heurystykę tak definiuje Słownik języka polskiego - umiejętność wykrywania nowych faktów i związków pomiędzy faktami (a zwłaszcza stawiania hipotez), prowadzącego do poznania nowych prawd. Heurystykę wykorzystuje się przy wykrywaniu wirusów komputerowych. Program antywirusowy nie korzysta z sygnatur wirusów (wirus może zmodyfikować swój kod, by uniemożliwić wykrycie - patrz wirusy polimorficzne), a jedynie stara się wykryć pewne zachowania w systemie, które są zdefiniowane jako nietypowe. Może być to np. zmiana wielkości pliku czy też wykrycie akcji w systemie niezwiązanej z działaniami użytkownika. Z takim sposobem wyszukiwania wirusów nieodzownie łączą się fałszywe alarmy, które wskazują na wirusa, którego nie ma. Ich częstotliwość można zmniejszyć, redukując intensywność, z jaką program antywirusowy szuka wirusów z użyciem metody heurystycznej. www.piotrgzielinski.friko.pl/heurystyka.htm www.fnp.org.pl/publikacje/JHartman.htm "I am Horus, the great Falcon upon the ramparts of the house of him of the hidden name. My flight has reached the horizon. I have passed by the gods of Nut. I have gone further than the gods of old. Even the most ancient bird could not equal my very first flight. I have removed my place beyond the powers of Set, the foe of my father Osiris. No other god could do what I have done. I have brought the ways of eternity to the twilight of the morning. I am unique in my flight. My wrath will be turned against the enemy of my father Osiris and I will put him beneath my feet in my name of 'Red Cloak'." www.pantheon.org/articles/h/horus.html www.specialchem4coatings.com/tc/rheology-cn/index.aspx?id=heur Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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Gość: PRIM 1970-2070 PRIME YEARS IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 11.03.02, 03:24 1973 1979 1987 1993 1997 1999 2003 2011 2017 2027 2029 2039 2053 2063 2069 PRIME YEAR = NEW QUALITY AND COMPOSED YEAR IN LIFE PRIMES YEAR 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109 113 127 131 Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
zupagrzybowa Re: 1970-2070 PRIME YEARS 12.03.02, 23:28 Gość portalu: PRIM napisał(a): > 1973 > 1979 > 1987 > 1993 > 1997 > 1999 > 2003 > 2011 > 2017 > 2027 > 2029 > 2039 > 2053 > 2063 > 2069 > PRIME YEAR = NEW QUALITY AND COMPOSED YEAR > IN LIFE PRIMES > YEAR 3 > 5 > 7 > 11 > 13 > 17 > 19 > 23 > 29 > 31 > 37 > 41 > 43 > 47 > 53 > 59 > 61 > 67 > 71 > 73 > 79 > 83 > 89 > 97 > 101 > 103 > 107 > 109 > 113 > 127 > 131 ____________________________________________________________________ Lata Pierwsze i zlozone 1901=* 1907= * 1913=* 1914=2.3.11.29 1915=5.383 1916=2.2.479 1917=3.3.3.71 1918=2.7.137 1919=19.101 1920=2.2.2.2.2.2.2.3.5 1921=17.113 1922=2.31.31 1923=3.641 1924=2.2.13.37 1925=5.5.7.11 1926=2.3.3.107 1927=41.47 1928=2.2.2.241 1929=3.643 1930=2.5.193 1931=* 1932=2.2.3.7.23 1933=* 1934=2.967 1935=5.397 1936=2.2.2.2.11.11 1937=13.149 1938=2.3.17.19 1939=7.277 1940=2.2.5.97 1941=3.647 1942=2.971 1943=29.67 1944=2.2.2.3.3.3.3.3 1945=5.389 1946=2.7.139 1947=3.11.59 1948=2.2.487 1949=* 1950=2.3.5.5.13 1951=* 1952=2.2.2.2.2.61 1953=3.3.7.31 1954=2.977 1955=5.17.23 1956=2.2.3.163 1957=19.103 1958=2.11.89 1959=3.653 1960=2.2.2.5.7.7 1961=37.53 1962=2.3.3.109 1963=13.151 1964=2.2.491 1965=5.3.131 1966=2.983 1967=7.281 1968=2.2.2.2.3.41 1969=11.179 1970=2.5.197 1971=3.3.3.73 1972=2.2.17.29 1973=* 1974=2.3.7.47 1975=5.5.79 1976=2.2.2.13.19 1977=3.659 1978=2.23.43 1979=* 1980=2.2.3.3.5.11 1981=7.283 1982=2.991 1987=* 1988=2.2.7.71 1989=3.3.13.17 1990=2.5.199 1991=11.181 1993=* 1994=997.2 1995=5.3.7.19 1996=2.2.499 1997=* 1998=2.3.3.11.37 1999=* 2000=2.2.2.2.5.5.5 2001=3.23.29 2002=2.7.11.13 2003=* 2004=2.2.3.167 2005=5.401 2006=2.17.59 2007=3.3.223 2008=2.2.2.251 2009=7.7.41 2010=2.3.5.67 Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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(ThomCor) we are all coming at the script from different angles, but have a general workable vision. now we need to be able to set shooting dates, so we need locations. (ThomCor) we also ate pizza. it was quite nice. (ThomCor) er. (ThomCor) the end, (ThomCor) probably. (Aquarion) If anyone has any questions about the status reports, message them to either me or CorThom (Aquarion) Okay then *** Aquarion (na@aquarion.demon.co.uk) changed mode: -v ThomCor (Aquarion) A minor explaination, then, for how this is going to work: (Aquarion) (Since people have been asking me) (Aquarion) On a Moderated Channel, only Operators and people with Voice can speak *** Oliver_ (fm01cch@molnir.brunel.ac.uk) joined the channel (Aquarion) At this point, I have Ops, and have just taken voice away from Cor & Thom. (Aquarion) Anything you say won't appear in the main channel *** Simon (~simon@firecloud.plus.com) joined the channel (Aquarion) This will last for anything that is an announcement, and is not around for discussion, for reasons that will be explained in item two (Aquarion) If any of the people who have just joined us have status reports, could they msg me telling me so (Not the reports themselves, just the fact you have a report) (Aquarion) by /msg ing me. (Aquarion) Okay, maaike's Status report then: *** Aquarion (na@aquarion.demon.co.uk) changed mode: +v maaike (Aquarion) maaike? (maaike) I've just been looking through afpmeet reports, trying to put faces to actors' names so any more costume designs will look vaguely like they're being worn by whoever should be wearing them (maaike) (on the side, hippo, I've found exactly one picture of you and your face isn't too clear; it's from ccde (maaike) also, I've started drawing Salzella sans chicken suit (maaike) that's, uh, everything. (Aquarion) Okay, everybody give him a big round of applause... (maaike) him? (Aquarion) Sorry (maaike) *** Aquarion (na@aquarion.demon.co.uk) changed mode: -v maaike (Aquarion) Right. Next bit then. (Aquarion) The next item translates into Real Language as "Not Comittees", which would have been nicer if I'd spelt it right. *** Aquarion (na@aquarion.demon.co.uk) changed mode: +v ThomCor *** Kincaid (~Karl@modem-1873.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined the channel (ThomCor) *koff* (Aquarion) Basically, This is the reason for this moderatedness. In thirty- four meetings, over thirty six weeks ThomCor taps the mic (Aquarion) we've managed to get a script and a club. (ThomCor) we have achieved little. *** Joy (...@210-54-228-86.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined the channel (Aquarion) Part of the reason for this (It has been decided) has been that everything that is being done is being pedanted and picked apart without any actual constructive help being given. (Aquarion) or "Being Put In A Committee" as it's commonly known. *** Joy (...@210-54-228-86.dialup.xtra.co.nz) left the channel *** Oliver_ (fm01cch@molnir.brunel.ac.uk) left the channel (ThomCor) basically, when people work alone to Get Stuff Done, stuff gets done. (ThomCor) when people work in groups of about 5, nothing happens. (ThomCor) because of the arguing. (Aquarion) So the proposed system is to have *one* person for each job, and only the things they think should be discussed get opened up for discussion (ThomCor) so, we essentially need to appoint individuals, let them get on with it, then report back on sundays. reports should not be open for discussion, unless the reporter asks for it. (Aquarion) ...hence the +m on the channel for status reports. (Aquarion) This is a status report, because it's what The Cabal have been arguing about all week (ThomCor) most vociferously. (ThomCor) there should be less of us. (Aquarion) Simon said that the reporters need to be accountable to someone, (Aquarion) And that's why I left the pause at the end of the stat reports for any questions (Aquarion) this isn't discussion, it's the designated persons /job/ to do things. If they have to justify everything to the nth degree, nothing will get done. (Aquarion) Again. (ThomCor) the floor needs to be open at the end of each item (ThomCor) when conversation dies, that's when the next moderated item should be done (Aquarion) No, that's the same as it has been before *** Aquarion (na@aquarion.demon.co.uk) changed mode: -m (CorThom) thanks (CorThom) then allot a time afterwards (CorThom) some people are new to irc, they might not even know how to /msg (Aquarion) Every action, or proposed action, has been discussed into insignificance before it's even been done (Aquarion) (we are now unmoderated, btw. Feel free to chime in) (Simon) I had to ask when I arrived today... I suggest a set time limit after each report. This might hopefully get people to stick to questions of the reporter, rather than rambling discussion. (CorThom) the job of the moderator is to stop the rambling, not cease conversation entirely (Needle) or have an alternative channel where such things can be discussed at the same time (lonecat) that would rather defeat the object? (Aquarion) Needle: That doesn't really work, it just means everything gets discussed to death there instead of here (Simon) rather than hard moderation, how about simply a chair who says "OK, enough"? Depends if he'd prepared not to be too polite... (CorThom) aqua: then you stop them getting discussed to death. Don't stop them getting discussed at all. (CorThom) simon: yep (Simon) (I'm talking after reports. I agree on uninturrupted reports) (Aquarion) Simon: Stoping discussion on #movie is uneasy. (CorThom) aqua: he's right, really. (Aquarion) Every argument disintergrates into five subarguments, three of which may be valid (maaike) brb, cat wants in/food (Aquarion) but the reporter is only trying to fight one (CorThom) aqua: you implementing this was a bit sudden, and without much consulatation, we really should have known what to expect. (Aquarion) That's why I proposed the questions thing. (Simon) So we need a forceful chair who'll say "Folks, can we discuss THIS first" (Aquarion) And that's exactly my point. I am now defending my decision against two differant attacks (Aquarion) Simon: There are people here who Don't Listen, because Their Argument is More Important. (Simon) True, OK... two points (CorThom) aqua: two? I only see consensus here, myself (Simon) 1. Have questiosn through moderator, so only one question is discussed at once. I don't know IRC well do I don't know how feasible (Aquarion) CorThom: That's because you are one of the attackers. (Simon) 2. Why do we need IRC? If discussion is a bad thing (and I agree on that in its current form), why not just use the mailing list, where more people can be involved without getting bogged down? (Aquarion) Simon: That's exactly wh Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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patience Woda swieconej i kropidla wam trzeba (insistoris) 20.04.04, 17:45 Meanwhile, in the village there is a lot of noise: one of the girls, interrupted, decided to fly through the window, but is happily caught - and it is decided to get reverend Hale to investigate the possibility of rumored witch involvement. Reverend Hale is the only person in the whole movie that has doubts; in this sense he is the only liberal, the only Renaissance person in this Medieval environment where everyone else is, as Abigail puts it, “covenanted”. One has to be open to conduct any serious investigation. Reverend Hale brings with him lots of reference books, one of them must be “Malleus Maleficarum” by Sprenger and Insistoris; in an improvised lecture Hale tells the audience about how signs of Devil can be detected, “as certain as a stone”, using simple tools, and that witches, like the military, are divided into ground, air and naval types, by the method of their transportation. This liberal uses his brain to solve the problem, and he succeeds: while others marvel and wonder, he extracts the facts from reverend Parris, then the first name from Abigail, the name of Tituba; when summoned, Tituba immediately says that it was Abigail who drank blood (in the play Tituba says it was she who gave blood to Abigail to drink, but this was written before M.L.King Jr.) www.google.pl/search?q=cache:TIzzf9NwuvkJ:www.sguez.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh/kino/%3FC38fba328aO0k-4645-813- 00.htm+insistoris&hl=pl&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 www.jw-media.org/region/europe/russia/english/moscow/e_com990602.htm www.net-lexikon.de/Heinrich-Institoris.html Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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Gość: drf I Z R A E L IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 05.04.02, 19:35 www.israelinsider.com/index.htm www.israelinsider.com/views/articles/views_0117.htm www.israelinsider.com/channels/politics/main/index.htm I don't understand By Naomi Ragen March 12, 2002 I don't understand why people are still listening to Shimon Peres. Everything he has said, every idea he has had, has turned out to be a complete disastrous mistake. Why is this man still talking? But most importantly, why are we still listening? I don't understand why people say there is no military solution. When people are using arms to murder you, the only solution, other than dying, is a military solution. It's called a war. The people that make it impossible for the other side to kill them and their children are called the victors. There isn't any way out of this. If people are throwing bad words at you, you can sit down and talk to them, try to convince them you are right, try to compromise. But when they are throwing grenades, that's a military problem, which only has a military solution. I don't understand why people say: "There is no solution. There doesn't seem to be anyone on the other side to talk to." Hello? Who says you have to talk? Who says that talking always leads to solutions? Remember Hitler? Remember Chamberlain? Remember all the talking that went on before Hitler invaded Poland? When there is no one to talk to on the other side and they are invading you and trying to kill you, that doesn't mean there is no solution. It means you need to wipe out the other side, or hurt them enough to convince them to accept your solution. I don't understand why people keep saying they don't want to let our soldiers fight because things will just get worse. No. If our soldiers are allowed to fight, things will just get better. I don't understand Jewish idiots who have targeted Arab schoolchildren in some moronic revenge attack. We don't want, or need, revenge. We need security. Revenge that has no security goal is not only evil, it's a stupid waste of time and energy. I don't want them to die. I want us to live. If the former isn't connected to the latter, there's no point. I don't understand Jews who are still reading Michael Lerner's Tikkun Magazine of Jewish self-hatred. The man has been actively supporting Arab terror sympathizers and maligning the Jewish homeland for the entire existence of his dismal little rag. Any Jew who subscribes, who invites this person to air his sickening agenda at his organization, synagogue, or community center might as well send his money directly to Yasser and cut out the Yiddel in the middle. I don't understand Ariel Sharon who knows what he has to do, but instead prefers to flatten empty buildings. Mr. Sharon, fight, or retire and let those who have the heart to do what must be done take over. Arrest Yasser and put him on trial, nullify Oslo, retake the West Bank and Gaza, jail the inciters, deport the terrorists. Stop posturing, and put an end to the grave digging for Israeli children. The people are not strong. The people are fed up. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: INFO HEADLINES 6.04.2002 IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 07.04.02, 00:23 Saturday, April 6, 2002 HEADLINES Israeli Warplanes and Artillery in Action in S. Lebanon Saturday Night After Direct Hizballah Hit on Divided Border Village Ghajar Injures Three Children – One 3-Year Old Girl Seriously Shelling and Anti-Tank Fire from Lebanon, Saturdays Second Attack, Sweeps Length of Frontier Israel Air Force Chief Halutz: Odds Up of Second Front Opening up in North Continuing Shelling and Rocket Attacks from Lebanon Prompt Heavy Israeli Troop Buildup on Northern Frontier and High State of Preparedness DEBKAfile’s Security Sources: Hizballah Partnered in Latest Attacks by al Qaeda Elements and Hardline PFLP-GC Militants Senior US Security Sources: Syria’s Main Missile and Chemical Weapons Facility at Homs Blown up in Mysterious Explosions on March 24 North Koreans Among Tens of Engineers and Technicians Killed in Underground Plant Factory Manufactured Scud-C and Scud-D, Liquid and Solid Fuels, Chemical Warheads, Oxidizers Syrians Suspect Israeli Undercover Saboteurs Struck in Reprisal for Syrian Military Intelligence Aid in Terrorist Hit against Galilee Highway on March 12 - Or US Reprisal for Free al Qaeda Transit through Syria In Texas, Bush and Blair Underline Saddam Menace But Fail to Agree on Military Measures to Oust Him US President on Arafat: “He Has Failed in Leadership, Never Performed, or Lived up to His Promises and I’m Disappointed” As Israel Presses on with Military Advance against Palestinian Terrorist Strongholds, White House Spokesman Fleischer Tells Reporters Israel Needs Time to Digest What Bush Expects: “Major Events Don’t Happen Overnight”. Secretary Powell Has No Plans to Meet Arafat Three Israeli Soldiers Were Killed in Continuing Intense Fighting in Jenin: Sgt. Merom Fisher, 19, from Moshav Avigdor Sgt. Roy Tal, 21, from Maalot Corp. Oded Kornfein, 20, from Kibbutz Ha’On Fourth Israeli Soldier Killed, Master Sgt. Nitsan Avraham, 22, from Lod, and Three Israelis Wounded in Clash with Palestinian Infiltrators in Rafah-Yam, S. Gaza Strip Infiltrators Killed Palestinians Report at Least 35 Dead in Jenin and Nablus Since Friday - Among them Senior Commanders of Hamas and Al Aqsa Brigades, Qais Idwan and Nasser Aweis Iranian Leader Khamenei Calls for One-Month Oil Embargo Against Pro-Israeli Western Nations Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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Gość: d samobojczyTerror IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 12.04.02, 00:18 Suicide Terrorism: The New Scourge http://www.danielpipes.org/articles/1986summer.shtml The National Interest Summer 1986 [N.B.: The following reflects what the author submitted, and not exactly what was published. To obtain the precise text of what was printed, please check the original place of publication.] Not Unique to the Middle East Suicide missions are by no means peculiar to the Middle East. The medieval Cathars of southern France and northern Italy "looked favorably on suicide, an attitude which made the more fervent of them impervious to persecution." What British and French soldiers did in World War I-leave their trenches to climb over dead comrades and march into machine gun fire-was a form of mass self- sacrifice that exceeds by far anything witnessed recently in the Middle East. Nor was it just the front-line troops who marched off to their death. Vincent Kraft, a German spy in World War I committed a serious offense while serving on the Western front for which the penalty was death. Instead, Peter Hopkirk relates, he was offered the alternative of undertaking what he described as "a very dangerous mission" in the East. Similarly, when ten Irish Republican Army members starved themselves in 1981, taking 50 to 60 wrenching days, they endured a much more agonizing death than that involved in the brief, almost painless acts of the suicide bombers in Lebanon. Contrary to what many believe, Europeans are willing to give up their lives for a cause on occasion. Suicidal acts are not unknown in the West. Nor are they common among Muslims. Quite the reverse: suicide is as strictly forbidden in Islam as in Judaism and Christianity. A Qur'anic verse, "Do not kill yourselves" (4:29), is commonly understood to condemn suicide. The Prophet Muhammad said that a suicide cannot go to paradise, and Islamic laws firmly oppose the practice. Religious leaders today continue to reject suicide. Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah, leader of the radical fundamentalist Shi'is in Lebanon, remarked about the recent spate of bombings, "suicide in such a way is forbidden in our religion." Religious prohibitions have had effect; according to modern scholarship, "suicide was of comparatively rare occurrence" in traditional society. Notwithstanding the famous expectation that a Muslim who dies in the service of God goes to paradise, Muslims were not more likely to end their lives than other people. The only significant exception were the fida'is (soldiers prepared to sacrifice themselves) sent out by the Assassin sect in the 12th century. These points need emphasis to correct a mistaken tendency to ascribe suicide bombings in the Middle East to Islam, fanaticism, or some other cultural trait. In fact, suicidal warfare in the Middle East, as in the West or Japan, takes place only in specific historical circumstances. British and French soldiers sacrificed their lives in World War I not because of the British character or the French religion but because of the nature of trench combat; IRA starvations reflected the politics of Ireland in 1981, not the nature of Celtic culture. Similarly, suicide bombings in the Middle East result from specific historical developments, not the permanent verities of Islam. State Support What are those developments? The fact that several states, starting with Iran, now sponsor suicide terrorism. Governments, not individual willing to die, make this a potent force. Without state support, suicide acts would be infrequent and ineffectual. Ayatollah Khomeini claims his radical version of fundamentalist Islam is suitable for all Muslims. The Iranian Constitution, passed right after the radical fundamentalists came to power, codifies "trying to perpetuate [the Islamic] revolution both at home and abroad" as the regime's highest priority. Tehran initially hoped its example would inspire like-minded Muslims to overthrow existing governments. It quickly became apparent, however, that exhortation alone would not suffice. By late 1979 the Iranian leadership adopted a second approach: it funded and armed subversive efforts throughout the Muslim world, from Egypt to the Philippines. But the outbreak of war with Iraq in September 1980, which absorbed nearly all Iran's money and arms, put an end to this effort. A third tactic was then adopted, one that would spread the revolution inexpensively: terrorism, specifically suicide terrorism. And, instead of dissipating their meager resources in many regions, the Iranian leaders chose to concentrate these in Lebanon, the country that seemed most likely to see the establishment of an Islamic republic. The first major instance of suicide terrorism was the December 1981 destruction of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut, killing 27 and wounding over 100. Suicide bombing acquired major political importance with the assassination of Bashir Jumayyil in September 1982; it went international with the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Beirut in April 1983, killing 63. The largest explosion took place in October 1983 when a truck bomb killed 241 U.S. servicemen. The unceasing campaign that took place between 1983 and 1985 against Israeli troops in southern Lebanon was perhaps its outstanding success, for, unable to cope with this assault, Israel retreated almost entirely from Lebanon. Suicide bombs have also gone off in Kuwait, Syria, and many times in Iraq. The superiority of suicide missions over rival forms of terrorism needs little emphasis. The eviction of Israeli forces from Lebanon stands in dramatic contrast to the Arabs' total lack of success in the West Bank and Gaza Strip; indeed, no one had ever before driven the Israelis out of an area. It is clear that a person willing to give up his life can adopt measures not available to someone trying to stay alive. A car bomb destroyed the Israeli military headquarters in Tyre in November 1983, killing 80 - more casualties than the PLO had claimed during the previous five years. Little can be done to deter would-be suicides, especially if they have state backing. As Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger noted, "In the final analysis, if one or two people are prepared to die in the attempt, they can do a great deal of damage." Although radical fundamentalist Muslims attacked eleven targets in Kuwait on one day in December 1983, the only strike to have a real impact was that carried out by a suicide bomber, who blew up the U.S. embassy. Iran's effort had such success that the other major sponsors of terrorism in the Middle East-Qadhdhafi, Asad, and 'Arafat-quickly began to imitate its methods. (Although Arafat's PLO is not, of course, a government, its financial, military, and institutional capabilities are closer to that of an established state than to that of other irredentist movements.) The Iraqis too apparently adopted suicide terrorism. Lest there be any doubt that states sponsor the great majority of suicide missions, the proof is worth noting in some detail. First, the shadowy nature of the organizations that claim responsibility for suicide actions points to the involvement of government intelligence organizations. While terrorist organizations want to become known and feared, states wish to stay out of the limelight. Doubts about the existence of Islamic Jihad, an organization first heard of in May 1982 and widely associated with suicide activities, are in themselves reason to suspect it of being a front for Iranian intelligence. Second, the intricacy of plans points to government involvement, for these go beyond the capabilities of small organizations. Car-bombings against American and French installations showed enormous sophistication. In almost every case, the vehicle went unerringly to the most vulnerable spot of the building under attack. Th Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: d Re: samobojczyTerror 2 IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 12.04.02, 00:26 http://www.danielpipes.org/ First, the shadowy nature of the organizations that claim responsibility for suicide actions points to the involvement of government intelligence organizations. While terrorist organizations want to become known and feared, states wish to stay out of the limelight. Doubts about the existence of Islamic Jihad, an organization first heard of in May 1982 and widely associated with suicide activities, are in themselves reason to suspect it of being a front for Iranian intelligence. Second, the intricacy of plans points to government involvement, for these go beyond the capabilities of small organizations. Car-bombings against American and French installations showed enormous sophistication. In almost every case, the vehicle went unerringly to the most vulnerable spot of the building under attack. The strikes took place at the right moment and took exact advantage of weaknesses in the defense system. Such mastery suggests extensive intelligence connections, weeks of planning, elaborate model-building, and careful training. Third, the explosions themselves betray state sponsorship. The truck that destroyed the U.S. Marine barracks, for example, contained the equivalent of over 12,000 pounds of TNT; the explosion it caused was called in the Long Commission Report "the largest conventional blast ever seen by the explosive experts community." So massive was the blast, the Report states, it would have caused major damage and many casualties even if it had exploded on the open road 330 feet away from the building. To mount such capabilities into a Mercedes truck that carries considerably less than 12,000 pounds, TNT was mixed into a complex of gas and other substances. The difficult and delicate task of gas-enhancement requires the sort of specialized skills and wealth of experience possessed by a state, not an outlaw organization. Further, the use of highly controlled explosive materials as hexogen and PETN indicates the involvement of intelligence agencies. Fourth, the price of these operations puts them out of the reach of small organizations. Safe houses, explosives, and Mercedes trucks are expensive in themselves, but timely and accurate intelligence is the most costly. According to sources cited by Thomas L. Friedman of the New York Times, a single bit of information for the April 1983 embassy bombing cost about $30,000. Fifth, some of the suicides acknowledge allegiance to the leaders of states. Before driving to her death in a booby-trapped car, a 16-year-old Lebanese girl sent greetings to "the leader of the liberation and steadfastness march, Lieut. General Hafiz al-Asad." One of Amal's leaders, Mahmud Faqih called Khomeini "our legitimate leader" and called Iran "our shield and source of support... the source of our conceptual, ideological, and political strength." The same goes for Hizbullah. 'Abbas Musawi, leader of this group, states that Khomeini "spells out the movement's line and issues Hizbullah directives." When asked about the financing of Hizbullah, Musawi admits that "the money comes mainly from Tehran." Sixth, intelligence information indicates links to states. Iran is known to have dispatched a special plane to Damascus with 50 operatives on board a few weeks before the Marine barracks explosion. Tehran gave the signal to attack the eleven installations in Kuwait in December 1983 by sending a special courier. In some cases, the names of individuals carrying out Iran's orders to the suicide attackers, their activities, and the pay they received are known. Senator Jesse Helms has released information showing that the Iranians helped plan the logistics of the TWA hijacking in June 1985, trained at least one of the hijackers in Iran, and provided money for the operation. Documents made available by the Iranian opposition indicate that the Iranian government has official organizations devoted to promoting suicide terrorism. Seventh, the testimony of a number of participants in suicide bombings provides first-hand reports on the involvement of states. Muhammad 'Ali Aryafar, an Iranian navy captain who defected, told a news conference in August 1984 that "Islamic Jihad is backed by the Khomeini regime." According to him, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards sent several units to train and advise the terrorists in Lebanon-a fact confirmed by an American officer in congressional testimony. Unwilling suicide bombers have provided similar evidence. The Lebanese man who set off a massive explosion in Damascus told Syrian television that his career as a suicide bomber began with a traffic accident. A truck driver, he accidentally killed an Iraqi army officer in Baghdad last November and was imprisoned for fifty-two days. Iraqi intelligence officers then gave him a choice between execution or going to Damascus with a car bomb. He decided on the latter and was dispatched to destroy the Syrian army officer club on its most crowded night. Eighth, states profit from suicide attacks. Tehran extends its influence in Lebanon with this instrument. Similarly, the Syrian government uses suicide bombings to show that its ideology-a mixture of pan-Syrianism and pan-Arabism- has vitality and support in Lebanon. The PLO and Libya, whose terrorist credentials have diminished from a decade ago, use suicide missions to reassert their reputations. Lastly, political leaders admit to terrorism. The Iranian government supported the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and has since made no effort to disassociate itself from a great number of terrorist incidents in Lebanon, Kuwait, and elsewhere. The PLO claims almost every day to execute terrorist actions against Israel. Early in 1986, Qadhdhafi declared he would train suicide squads "for terrorist and suicide missions and allocate trainers for them and place all the weapons needed for such missions at their disposal." Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader of Lebanon, recently promised to send suicide squads to help Qadhdhafi against the United States. Only the Syrian government denies its role in support of terrorism. A Tool of Statecraft State sponsorship takes the mystery out of suicidal actions. It removes these acts from the realm of aberrant pathology, religious fanaticism, and political extremism, and places them instead within the scope of institutional power and intelligence activities. Many of the actions which appear to be undertaken suicidally turn out not to be. Some drivers-such as the Lebanese engaged as a result of a traffic mishap in Iraq-were blackmailed. A 16-year-old Lebanese, Muhammad Mahmud Burru, stated in April 1985 that he had been recruited under duress. According to Burru's account, he was working for Amal, the Syrian-supported Shi'i organization, when he one day rode his motorcycle into the back of a car. Responding to Burru's request, Amal officials got him out of this problem. A few months later, his father too caused a car accident, injuring himself and a young woman. Burru was threatened shortly after: if he did not undertake a suicide mission for Amal, the file on his motorcycle accident would be reopened, his father would go without a needed operation, he and his father would lose their jobs, and his whole family would be persecuted by the woman's relatives. After days of agonizing indecision, he reluctantly chose the mission and was assigned a car packed with 400 pounds of explosives to drive into an Israeli military headquarters. Muhammad an-Nasir, who was to drive a rigged car to a southern Lebanese sentry station in September 1985, was the most obviously unwilling suicide. He acted in so untrustworthy a fashion that a car followed him to make sure he followed orders. But just before reaching the designated checkpoint, Nasir left his vehicle Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: d Re: samobojczyTerror 3 IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 12.04.02, 00:28 Muhammad an-Nasir, who was to drive a rigged car to a southern Lebanese sentry station in September 1985, was the most obviously unwilling suicide. He acted in so untrustworthy a fashion that a car followed him to make sure he followed orders. But just before reaching the designated checkpoint, Nasir left his vehicle to try to convince the driver of the second car to exchange places with him. The latter refused; and while the two were engaged in argument, both were arrested. Others retained hopes of escaping alive. One assailant was told to drive his bomb-laden truck against a specific part of the U.S. embassy and then escape to an accomplice's car before the explosion went off. Another was assured that a flak jacket and a special plating around the driver's seat gave him a 50 percent chance of surviving the explosion. In one case, it appears that the suitcase a young girl was carrying to a checkpoint was exploded by a man at some distance away. Some cars are rigged to explode if the suicide driver turns the engine off or opens a door. Children can be induced to suicide more easily than adults, by promising them untold glories. Here is an account in Newsweek about the fate of a Palestinian youngster: Heavenly pleasures awaited Moussa Ziyada: rivers of sweet honey and holy wine, 72 virgin brides and free passes to Paradise for 70 of his friends and relatives. For a boy who had never left the Gaza Strip, where the only rivers are streams of sewage, the promise was dazzling. "All that eyes have not seen and ears have not heard," as he puts it, were soon to be his. At age 14, he would be venerated as a martyr and a hero. All he had to do was blow himself up in a crowd of Israelis. In the words of the boy's suicide trainer: "Now you are great, you are holy, you are ready to go to heaven." These are not the hallmarks of "fanatics," but of individuals dragooned into service. Analysts who see the suicide attackers as volunteers miss the point: anyone unfortunate enough to get into a traffic collision can find himself days later driving a bomb-laden car. Inmates on death row, political dissidents, members of ethnic minorities-under the proper conditions, any of these can be coerced to undertake a suicidal attack. State involvement broadens the pool of potential assassins. States cannot depend on finding individuals prepared to discard their lives, for these are far too few to be relied upon for regular operations. If only extremists could be recruited for suicide missions, these would have limited potential; but bringing in vulnerable persons from the general public means that anyone might end up a suicide attacker. The resources of the state are more than ample to produce a steady supply of non-fanatical suicide bombers. What has hitherto required a special fervor has become routinized and institutionalized. This analysis has two major implications. First, because suicide missions have no necessary connection to Islam, they can be employed by brutal regimes of any ideological stripe. The Syrian regime has best demonstrated its versatility. Of the 15 suicide attacks it sponsored against Israel in 1985, 6 belonged to the Ba'th Party, a secularist pan-Arab organization; 5 belonged to the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, espousing secularist pan-Syrianism; 2 belonged to Amal, the Shi'i organization aligned with Syria; and one each belonged to the Communist party and to an Egyptian opposition group. One of the suicides was a Druze, 4 were Shi'is, and 10 Sunnis. At least 2 were Syrian nationals and 2 Egyptian, the rest coming from Lebanon. Suicide bombing has already spread throughout the Middle East; it could be adopted in other regions too as other governments do as Damascus and imitate Iran's tactics. Although the Soviet Union appears not to have adopted them yet, it may well do so; why ignore a weapon of such potency? The same goes for other totalitarian and authoritarian states. Suicide bombings may prove to be the great and enduring monument of the Khomeini regime. Second, the involvement of states points to the proper response of the United States and its allies. It is futile to mount a defense by concentrating on the terrorist actor himself; even if one falls, he can be easily and quickly replaced with another. The way to combat the scourge of suicide terrorism is by punishing the states that sponsor this violence. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś