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08.05.06, 20:32
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    • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 08.05.06, 20:37
      polishforforeigners napisała:

      > I'm a teacher of polish language. If you have problems with polish, don't
      > hesistate to contact with me.

      OK. Here's my query.

      What would you say were the most important 20 plays written originally in
      Polish that ought to be on the reading list of any foreigner wishing to become
      acquainted with that part of Polish literature?

      I'm looking forward to your response.
            • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 14:44
              polishforforeigners napisała:

              > Polish literature is beatiful, but is too hard to know her without long
              > studies... Are you interested in learning Polish?
              >

              I'm interested in Polish at the literary level. I am not interested in learning
              Polish other than Polish literature with a teacher. I only need a teacher who
              can talk knowledgeably about the literature.

              Which brings me back to my question.

              What 20 plays from Polish literature are the most worth reading in the original?


              Here is a list of 20 plays from the body of English literature which are the
              most worthwhile reading for foreigners, in my opinion:

              1. Christopher Marlowe „Faustus”
              2. William Shakespeare „Hamlet”
              3. William Shakespeare “Romeo and Juliet”
              4. William Shakespeare “Othello”
              5. William Shakespeare “Macbeth”
              6. William Shakespeare “Twelfth Night”
              7. William Congreve “The Way of the World”
              8. Oliver Goldsmith “She stoops to conquer”
              9. Richard Brinsley Sheridan “School for Scandal”
              10. Richard Brinsley Sheridan “The Rivals”
              11. Oscar Wilde “The Importance of being Earnest”
              12. George Bernard Shaw “Pygmalion”
              13. George Bernard Shaw “Arms and the Man”
              14. John Millington Synge “The Playboy of the Western World”
              15. Tennessee Williams “A Street-car named Desire”
              16. Tennessee Williams “The Glass Menagerie”
              17. Eugene O Neill “Long Day’s Journey into Night”
              18. John Osbourne “Look Back in Anger”
              19. Tom Stoppard “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead”
              20. Harold Pinter “The Birthday Party”

              Here is a similar list for the German language and its top 20 plays:

              1. Gotthold Ephraim Lessing “Nathan der Weise”
              2. Johann Wolfgang Goethe “Faust” (part 1 and/or 2)
              3. Friedrich Schiller “Die Räuber”
              4. Friedrich Schiller “Don Carlos”
              5. Friedrich Schiller “Wilhelm Tell”
              6. Heinrich von Kleist “Der zerbrochne Krug”
              7. Heinrich von Kleist „Das Käthchen von Heilbronn“
              8. Christian Dietrich Grabbe „Scherz, Satire, Ironie und tiefere Bedeutung“
              9. Johann Nestroy „Der Zerrissene“
              10. Georg Büchner „Dantons Tod“
              11. Friedrich Hebbel „Maria Magdalene“
              12. Franz Grillparzer „Wehe dem, der lügt“
              13. Gerhart Hauptmann „Die Weber“
              14. Gerhart Hauptmann „Der Biberpelz“
              15. Bertholt Brecht „Die Dreigroschenoper“
              16. Bertholt Brecht „Leben des Galilei“
              17. Max Frisch „Biedermann und die Brandstifter“
              18. Max Frisch „Andorra“
              19. Friedrich Dürrenmatt „Der Besuch der alten Dame“
              20. Friedrich Dürrenmatt „Die Physiker“

              Now please, as a teacher of the Polish language, provide the same list for
              Polish. That is what I am asking for from you.
              • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 22:11
                usenetposts napisał:

                > polishforforeigners napisała:
                >
                > > Polish literature is beatiful, but is too hard to know her without long
                > > studies... Are you interested in learning Polish?
                > >
                >
                > I'm interested in Polish at the literary level. I am not interested in
                learning
                >
                > Polish other than Polish literature with a teacher. I only need a teacher who
                > can talk knowledgeably about the literature.
                >
                > Which brings me back to my question.
                >
                > What 20 plays from Polish literature are the most worth reading in the
                original
                > ?
                >
                >
                > Here is a list of 20 plays from the body of English literature which are the
                > most worthwhile reading for foreigners, in my opinion:

                <snip English and German lists, as you can see them below>

                > Now please, as a teacher of the Polish language, provide the same list for
                > Polish. That is what I am asking for from you.
                >

                Well, polishforforeigners?

                We've got, so far, "Pan Tadeusz" and "Tango", so there are only 18 to go.

                Please outline the top Polish plays. It will be your free trial lesson.
      • nasza_maggie Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 16:03

        >
        > What would you say were the most important 20 plays written originally in
        > Polish that ought to be on the reading list of any foreigner wishing to
        become
        > acquainted with that part of Polish literature?
        >
        > I'm looking forward to your response.




        Hmmm do you mean in Polish or translated...??
        • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 16:14
          nasza_maggie napisała:

          >
          > >
          > > What would you say were the most important 20 plays written originally in
          >
          > > Polish that ought to be on the reading list of any foreigner wishing to
          > become
          > > acquainted with that part of Polish literature?
          > >
          > > I'm looking forward to your response.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Hmmm do you mean in Polish or translated...??
          >

          Written in Polish originally. I left Beckett's "Waiting for Godot" out of the
          English list as it was backtranslated from the French by the author.

          That having been said, the theme does not need to be originally Polish. The
          themes taken by Shakespeare are sometimes from Renaissance Italy or from
          classical histories where English was not spoken, but his work became part of
          English literature and is original in the English tongue. If we were looking at
          novels, I would not discount from Polish literature "Faraon" or "Quo Vadis"
          because Prus and Sienky were looking at ancient themes, but anything form
          Conrad I would discount, as he used the English tongue and contributed to
          English literature.

          And just as my list for English contains several Americans and the German one
          some swiss and Austrian, I use the term Polish to determine the language, so
          Czeslaw Milosz is still writing Polish literature subsequent to his
          naturalisation as a US citizen.
          • nasza_maggie Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 16:18

            > And just as my list for English contains several Americans and the German one
            > some swiss and Austrian, I use the term Polish to determine the language, so
            > Czeslaw Milosz is still writing Polish literature subsequent to his
            > naturalisation as a US citizen.
            >
            WAS, he passed away and is burried in Kraków with other honorary POles.
            • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 16:31
              nasza_maggie napisała:

              >
              > > And just as my list for English contains several Americans and the German
              > one
              > > some swiss and Austrian, I use the term Polish to determine the language,
              > so
              > > Czeslaw Milosz is still writing Polish literature subsequent to his
              > > naturalisation as a US citizen.
              > >
              > WAS, he passed away and is burried in Kraków with other honorary POles.
              >

              True, I didn't phrase that very well. I meant that his post-naturalisation work
              is still Polish literature.
              • kylie1 Re: polish for foreigners 09.05.06, 23:54
                Don't you find it odd that someone who claims to have studies Polish is
                strangely stumped for words and unable to mention just a couple of names?

                Adam Mickiewicz
                Ignacy Krasicki
                Juliusz Slowacki, etc


                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_literature
                strange.....

                • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 10.05.06, 00:17
                  kylie1 napisała:

                  > Don't you find it odd that someone who claims to have studies Polish is
                  > strangely stumped for words and unable to mention just a couple of names?
                  >
                  > Adam Mickiewicz
                  > Ignacy Krasicki
                  > Juliusz Slowacki, etc
                  >
                  >
                  > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_literature
                  > strange.....

                  To be honest, Kylie, it OUGHT to be strange that someone setting themselves up
                  as a teacher of Polish to foreigners, and therefore making themselves out to be
                  an ambassador of Polish culture, is at a lost to mention these names, but in
                  fact it's par for the course.

                  Unfortunately, I'm not in the least surprised by it. In fact, I would have been
                  a lot more surprised if the person advertising their services had actually been
                  able to answer the question.
              • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 10.05.06, 19:05
                sobieski010 napisał:

                > On the other hand I went to university in Antwerp and Leuven, and I could not
                > really name any famous play in Flemish / Dutch literature.
                > But I studied history and not literature, maybe that's why.

                The Dutch language has little notable literature full stop. It's as if you guys
                had to pay for those marvellous painters by not having something else. There
                are a few half decent poets and novelists, but very little in the way of works
                for the stage. For your information your greatest play is often reputed to
                be "Palamedes" by Joost van den Vondel, but Shakespeare's ghost is not exactly
                tearing his hair out with envy. A second Vondel play "Lucifer" is also said to
                be of lasting value.

                Don't feel bad. It's not a big country, so nobody expects the Spanish
                Inquisition. In fact, it may well even be their fault that there isn't more in
                the way of literature from the Low Countries, since they had their reign of
                terror there for a good while.
      • russh Re: polish for foreigners 10.05.06, 13:14
        Hi Dave, I'm back after a little rest. Hope you guys are all well.

        What does your query have to do with the learning of the language? Is it just a
        wind-up (I think yes), or do you really think it is important to learn about the
        literature of a language in order to be competent in that language.
        • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 10.05.06, 18:53
          russh napisał:

          > Hi Dave, I'm back after a little rest. Hope you guys are all well.
          >
          > What does your query have to do with the learning of the language? Is it just
          a
          > wind-up (I think yes), or do you really think it is important to learn about
          th
          > e
          > literature of a language in order to be competent in that language.


          I'm not saying that it is devoid of an element of wind-up. After all, you know
          me. But in this case it's 10% wind-up, and 90% serious.

          Think about it, in our UK system, at least traditionally, you wouldn't have
          literature coming in at O level, but at A level you would, in our day and in
          the better schools still today, have four short set texts from the literature
          of the language. You also get topic-related projects, and these became more
          fashionable and squeezed out the traditional literary approach to perfecting
          the language in the GCSE highers and in the redbrick universities.

          It still is the case that there is no better way than reading the literature to
          get an advanced level knowledge of the language. The grammar book and
          dictionary will only take you so far.

          I once taught German to a retired lady, by the way. I started after I left
          school in July and stopped when I left for Berlin on my year out in March. By
          Christmas she had started literature and by March we were half way through
          Heinrich Heine's Buch der Lieder.

          And at the end of the day I don't need a teacher to explain to me the nuts and
          bolts of the language - that's a memory game of patience that I need to play on
          my own and a teacher only gets in the way. But someone to share and discuss the
          literature with - someone who understands the culture and appreciates it and
          can talk knowledgeably about the background: for me that's worth paying for.
          • russh Re: polish for foreigners 18.05.06, 22:38
            > Think about it, in our UK system, at least traditionally, you wouldn't have
            > literature coming in at O level, but at A level you would, in our day and in
            > the better schools still today, have four short set texts from the literature
            > of the language. You also get topic-related projects, and these became more
            > fashionable and squeezed out the traditional literary approach to perfecting
            > the language in the GCSE highers and in the redbrick universities.

            In my day O-Level English came in two forms - English, and English Literature.
            For the Literature O-Level, we had 'A Midsummer Nights Dream' and 'To Kill A
            Mockingbird', although for the two years we went through many of Shakespears
            works, plus Orwell and Bernard Shaw. I never took English at 'A' level.


            > It still is the case that there is no better way than reading the literature to
            >
            > get an advanced level knowledge of the language. The grammar book and
            > dictionary will only take you so far.

            Reading can also include newspapers etc. In my lessons I often take articles and
            use them, especially if the article is of international interest. This can also
            give you a more advanced knowledge of the language.

            > But someone to share and discuss the
            >
            > literature with - someone who understands the culture and appreciates it and
            > can talk knowledgeably about the background: for me that's worth paying for.

            Language is only a part of the culture of a country, although important. It is
            very useful when trying to understand a country's culture.

            To me, what you are wanting of a teacher is not to teach you the language (you
            are probably too competent or talented a linguist to need one, at least until an
            advanced level), but to help you understand the people and their culture. This,
            in my book, is something a little different, although related.

            • usenetposts Re: polish for foreigners 19.05.06, 00:34
              russh napisał:

              > > Think about it, in our UK system, at least traditionally, you wouldn't ha
              > ve
              > > literature coming in at O level, but at A level you would, in our day and
              > in
              > > the better schools still today, have four short set texts from the litera
              > ture
              > > of the language. You also get topic-related projects, and these became mo
              > re
              > > fashionable and squeezed out the traditional literary approach to perfect
              > ing
              > > the language in the GCSE highers and in the redbrick universities.
              >
              > In my day O-Level English came in two forms - English, and English Literature.
              > For the Literature O-Level, we had 'A Midsummer Nights Dream' and 'To Kill A
              > Mockingbird', although for the two years we went through many of Shakespears
              > works, plus Orwell and Bernard Shaw. I never took English at 'A' level.

              I did. I have an English A level, and you cannot do it without literature.

              These days most people only go into detail on Shakespeare at A level, not much
              at O level. In my day I had the Pardoner's Tale by Chaucer in Middle English,
              and that was probably the most challenging piece of literature. We did not have
              anything earlier than Chaucer - I only went back to true Old English at degree
              level, as one paper was in comparative Germanic Philology. The set texts were
              the ones in the standard anthology by Sweet, published by the OUP. In the exam
              you had to be able to translate any page out of that book into Modern English,
              so you had better have studied the whole thing. If you did, they were the easy
              marks on the day.

              > > It still is the case that there is no better way than reading the literat
              > ure to
              > >
              > > get an advanced level knowledge of the language. The grammar book and
              > > dictionary will only take you so far.
              >
              > Reading can also include newspapers etc. In my lessons I often take articles
              an
              > d
              > use them, especially if the article is of international interest. This can
              also
              > give you a more advanced knowledge of the language.
              >

              Agreed. But the one does not exclude the other, and whereas newspaper articles
              are much of a muchness, the landmarks of a country's literature help to define
              its national consciousness, and transnational consciousness. The fact that we
              share Shakespeare with the entire English speaking world is worth more,in fact,
              than any formalised "Commonwealth" or any "special relationship" based on
              ancient politicians being able to "do business" with each other.

              > > But someone to share and discuss the
              > >
              > > literature with - someone who understands the culture and appreciates it
              > and
              > > can talk knowledgeably about the background: for me that's worth paying f
              > or.
              >
              > Language is only a part of the culture of a country, although important. It is
              > very useful when trying to understand a country's culture.
              >
              > To me, what you are wanting of a teacher is not to teach you the language (you
              > are probably too competent or talented a linguist to need one, at least until
              a
              > n
              > advanced level), but to help you understand the people and their culture.
              This,
              > in my book, is something a little different, although related.
              >

              I think of it all time as O level, A level. Newspapers are of course good for
              developing certain useful applications of the language, but they are ephemeral
              in character, unchallenging as they use many international words, are often
              badly written. No-one will remember these articles in twenty years time. I did
              articles at O level, but do you think I remember a single one? Are there are
              sentences in them worth memorising and laying to one's heart? Hardly!

              Now a Polish teacher to Poles would not be given the job pf "Pan/i od
              polskiego" if they did not know their literature, the way this person appears
              not to have known. If this person is not deemed good enough by her own people
              to teach Polish to them, then I don't think she's good enough to teach Polish
              to me either.

              I am now in the market for a mandarin native speaker, preferably form Beijing,
              who can help me with my Mandarin. I would expact that person to know
              Zhongguowei in both the simplified PRC and the Tainwanese full editions, as
              well as Pinyin, and also to be able to assist me to the simpler end of Tang
              Poetry and the Analects of Confucius in the original.
    • ja_karola Polish plays 101 19.05.06, 02:38

      Let me come to the rescue usenetposts and provide you with an introductory
      course on Polish theater. First off however, let me tell you that Polish
      literature is one of the richest in the world although I’ll understand
      accusations of bias given that I am Polish. You may wish to know that our
      culture was for many centuries our only means of survival as a nation therefore
      many classical works (e.g., the aforementioned Trilogy) were created while
      Poland did not exist as a country. But let me stick to plays only, especially
      since so many of you had wrongfully listed poems, novels, and historical epics
      on the so called list.

      Let’s start with the Great Polish Trio who are:

      Adam Mickiewicz
      Zygmunt Krasinski and
      Juliusz Slowacki

      Their works include:

      Adam Mickiewicz:”Dziady” („Forefathers’ Eve”wink, „Ksiegi Narodu Polskiego”.
      By the way, „Pan Tadeusz”, whose excerpts are required to be learned by heart
      in our schools, is one hell of a long poem but NOT a play.

      Juliusz Slowacki:”Lilla Weneda”,”Mazepa, „Fantazy”, ”Sen srebrny
      Salomei”, ”Maria Stuart” (or the beloved Scottish Mary
      Stuart), ”Kordian”, ”Horsztynski” and of course „Balladyna”. Slowacki wrote 14
      plays in all. I’m simply listing the most popular productions.

      Zygmunt Krasinski: „Nie-Boska Komedia” and „Irydion” – he wrote mostly poems as
      well, but these two are his unforgettable plays.

      Cyprian Kamil Norwid, as the ones above, is part of the period of Romanticism.
      His works include „Pierscien wielkiej damy”, ”Noc tysieczna
      druga”, ”Kleopatra i Cezar”, ”Krakus”, „Za kulisami”. Unfortunately his genius
      was only recognized after his premature death.

      Now let’s move on to the remaining great Polish authors.

      Aleksander Fredro – the master of Polish comedy and also known as the Polish
      Molière, wrote „Sluby panienskie”, „Pan Jowialski”, ”Damy i huzary”, „Maz i
      zona”. ”Zemsta” (or “Vengeance) is already on your list and a great play (you
      may want to rent Polanski’s recent version – great actors and English subtitles
      available).

      Stanislaw Wyspianski , Stanislaw Ignacy Witkiewicz (Witkacy), Witold
      Gombrowicz – chief exponents of the Polish avant-garde (late 19th and early
      20th century).

      Wyspianski: his ideological trilogy: „Wesele” („The Wedding”wink, “Wyzwolenie” (
      or Liberation) and „Akropolis”. He also wrote Hamlet (a paraphrase of the
      Shakespearean drama). Also well known are his „Warszawianka” and „Noc
      listopadowa” (November night).

      Witkacy: „Matka” (Mother), „Szewcy”, „Wariat i zakonnica”, ”W malym
      dworku”, ”Jan Karol Maciej Wscieklica”.

      Witold Gombrowicz: „Slub”- play partly written in poem-form.
      Gabriela Zapolska - the satirical comedies of manners „Moralnosc Pani
      Dulskiej”cryingthe most famous),”Zabusia”,”Ich czworo”,”Panna Maliczewska”.

      Modern play writers include:

      Slawomir Mrozek whose plays are now considered as comedy classics. The
      important plays he created are “The Police”, ”The Turkey”, ”Karol” and “The
      Game”. His most famous is “Tango” (also already on your list) and “The
      Emmigrants”, Mrozek’s second most often produced play after “Tango”.
      Janusz Glowacki: “Kopciuch”, “Polowanie na karaluchy”,”Antygona w Nowym Jorku”.
      The two former being produced on Broadway in New York.

      Tadeusz Rozewicz; „Pulapka”, ”Kartoteka” - translated into 20 languages.

      Edward Redlinski: ”Awans”

      Jerzy Szaniawski: ”Dwa Teatry”.

      Leon Kruczkowski: „Niemcy”

      Tadeusz Kantor: of utmost importance to the Polish theatre. The creator of
      the “theatre of death” movement or rather school. He’s considered to be one of
      the most significant artists and thinkers of the second half of the 20th
      century on the international scene.
      He created ”Umarla klasa”, „Wielopole,Wielopole”, „Niech szczezna artysci”.

      Adolf Nowaczynski: „Wielki Fryderyk”

      Bruno Jasienski :”Bal manekinow”crying„The mannequins’ ball”wink

      Karol Wojtyla ”Przed sklepem jubilera” – let’s not forget our Pope whose plays
      are praised for their philosophical aspects and deep social commentaries.

      Miron Bialoszewski: „Pani Koch”, „Szury”


      I believe to have listed 21 writers and many of their works. If you are truly
      interested in Polish literature, I don’t think you will find it difficult to
      dive into reading. Should the language prove an obstacle, you’ll be happy to
      know that most of the above-mentioned plays were translated into many
      languages, and most certainly English.

      If you’re a true aficionado, you may be interested to know that every Thursday
      you can see a Polish play on the TV Polonia channel, a habit I’ve developed
      over the years. I live in Montreal yet find it rather easy to stay in touch
      with the rich Polish culture.

      All the best learning Polish, which by the way, has been documented as one of
      the richest albeit difficult languages in the world. Hope you find a good
      teacher……


      P.S. Jossif Brodsky, a poet and Nobel laureate, expressed his awe for Polish
      poetry when he said that it is the richest, strongest and most beautiful he has
      ever come across….. but I digress. Let’s leave poetry for another time.




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