I'm not ask for help

[raveness1]

I happened to read the heading of this forum today and I saw a bit of
ridiculous warning of not joining in in order to improve one's language
skills, unless one's gonna to argue on some mundane matters like politics or
stock exchange... Well, never mind.
But one thing blows up my mind: Why should anyone aspire to join a tedious
forum, all the more where one is not welcome? There are thousands of forums
on the net of whatever kind, mostly in English and Spanish, where one is
welcome to join and discuss freely on the subject of interest.
That was funny! - this complex of superiority...

Ok, it was a little digression, I fly back to more exciting sites.

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raveness1 napisał:

> I happened to read the heading of this forum today and I saw a bit of
> ridiculous warning of not joining in in order to improve one's language
> skills, unless one's gonna to argue on some mundane matters like politics or
> stock exchange... Well, never mind.

It means don't come on here asking for words or for people to do their
homework. I don't want this forum to suffer from the sort of things that go on
in the English Only forum, so I just say fair and square at the outset so that
people are warned.

You are welcome to discuss any subjects, even the inside of your own rectal
cavity, as long as you are actually talking to people and not just behaving in
the autistic, socially retarded way that some participants on these fora have
made their own exquisite trademark. Nobody said that you had to discuss the
stick exchange. If you have anything intelligant to say on that matter, by all
means. If not, you can stick to whinging, whining and pouting.

> But one thing blows up my mind: Why should anyone aspire to join a tedious
> forum, all the more where one is not welcome? There are thousands of forums
> on the net of whatever kind, mostly in English and Spanish, where one is
> welcome to join and discuss freely on the subject of interest.

The reason is because in this particular environment you can get people
treating the people here as their dictionary or put here to do their homework
for them or translate things for them for free. I am just saying that other
groups exist for that.

> That was funny! - this complex of superiority...

If anyone is showing a complex, it certainly isn't us.

> Ok, it was a little digression, I fly back to more exciting sites.

DLTDKHYAOTWO.

[raveness1]

That explains everything. I know about pestering people for making the homework
you talk about, that's exactly on English Only. That's really annoying in the
long run.
In this case I pay you the due respect. I'll drop in one day.
Have a creative discussion.

[nasza_maggie]

English Only is in the education section, if you don't like it, you don't have
to participate in it. If others feel they want to translate or help with
phrases or words then that's fine, as long as they behave decently and within
the netiquette. I know it is sometimes difficult to comprehend, but some people
actually do like helping others, for free.
Simple.

[raveness1]

I beg you pardon...Do you think I don't like helping people for free? You're
wrong, I like and I do. You don't know me, but you judge me. Ok then, it
doesn't matter for now.
I only meant that some people are too persistent about simple, negligible
things and that makes them sound so infantile when they ask.
Ok, that's exactly what your forum is for, I aslo have asked several times. But
don't you think that lots of the "askers" do it just out of sheer laziness? -
that's easier than flip through pages in a dictionary, isn't it?

[nasza_maggie]

raveness1 napisał:

> I beg you pardon...Do you think I don't like helping people for free? You're
> wrong, I like and I do.

That's fine by me. I'm not judging you. But the opinion.
You don't know me, but you judge me. Ok then, it
> doesn't matter for now.

> I only meant that some people are too persistent about simple, negligible
> things and that makes them sound so infantile when they ask.

Not everyone is a 'master' at English, to you it may seem infantile, to them
it's sometimes a matter of 'life or death' It depends on how you look at it.
The scale is different for everyone.


> Ok, that's exactly what your forum is for, I aslo have asked several times.
It's not my forum. It is a Gazeta Forum. Davey's forum is a private forum, he
makes his own rules (in a way)

But
>
> don't you think that lots of the "askers" do it just out of sheer laziness?

Ofcourse, but they aren't breaking the netiquette. Even if they ask for the
simplest thing, it is no reason not to help them.
Read the last paragraph:
forum.gazeta.pl/forum/72,2.html?f=517&w=46318503&a=46520734
-
> that's easier than flip through pages in a dictionary, isn't it?
For some maybe, not for all. Maybe 'times they are a'changing' and for many
kids such a thing as a dictionary is a thing of the past and they prefer the
net. Don't generalise.

[raveness1]

So let's nature take its course as it is, and we'll see in the future whether
it was for better or worse. (I mean the over-usage of the internet)

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nasza_maggie napisała:

> English Only is in the education section, if you don't like it, you don't
have
> to participate in it. If others feel they want to translate or help with
> phrases or words then that's fine, as long as they behave decently and within
> the netiquette. I know it is sometimes difficult to comprehend, but some
people
>
> actually do like helping others, for free.
> Simple.

Well, as you know I do sometimes go and help people there, but I just think
that what I want here is discussion and "how do you say this or that" is not
much of a discussion.

I'm not dissing what you do, Maggie, I think it's great. I like it most of all
when you're here, though.



(And that's from somebody who doesn't do smilies. That's gotta be worth
something.)

[nasza_maggie]

No, I know you're not. It's just that my job as an 'aes' to help people,
sometimes help themselves. I guess that is the main profile of EO. Gazeta likes
it's little 'language' corners.

I know that there are some opinions that there is too much of the asking for
translations but at the end of the day I can't force people to have discussions
(which is why I love this forum btw.).

You see, when the discussions do errupt, you get your trolls from Polonia forum
invading EO and then all you get is people shouting abuse at eachother and
generally being a nuisance. Which is annoying because they tend to think that
if they're writing in English on a Polish forum, nobody understands or cares.
Well, they do. I do.

And to be perfectly honest there are some nice linguistic discussions on EO,
which I like too, because its nice to see how people see and feel and
understand language, differently. I prefer that to the army of trolls.

And thanks for the I do appreciate it

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raveness1 napisał:

> That explains everything. I know about pestering people for making the
homework
>
> you talk about, that's exactly on English Only. That's really annoying in the
> long run.
> In this case I pay you the due respect. I'll drop in one day.
> Have a creative discussion.

Thanks. In fact we've been pretty lucky so far, but you may be right, maybe it
does look unfriendly.

If the regulars agree with you that I should take that part out, then I don't
mind taking it out.

But if someone comes here asking for help and finds me in a more, let's say,
sarcastic mode than I am on the help groups, then they might be upset at not
having received fair warning.

[raveness1]

Yes, I know I made a mistake with this -ING. I start the sentence with
continous and ended it up with simple present. I must have been absent-minded.

Nasza-Maggie has corrected it immediately, and pondering a bit about it, the
image of my sister comes to my mind, this scrupulousness...

Was Nasza-Maggie born under the Virgo by chance?

[nasza_maggie]

Nope

[raveness1]

Cutting short...ok, I was just wondering.