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mniej niz Polacy.
U.S. Proposes Visitor Tracking Rules
Sat Jan 4,12:15 AM ET


By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The government wants detailed information about every person who
comes to or leaves the country by commercial plane or boat, and for the first
time will require U.S. citizens to fill out forms detailing their comings and
goings.



Under rules proposed Friday, the information would be sent electronically to
the government for matching against security databases.


"It's another way to enhance security for travelers," Immigration and
Naturalization Service spokeswoman Kimberly Weismann said.


The public will have a month to comment on the plan and the final regulations
will take effect later this year. The American Civil Liberties Union (news -
web sites), which has criticized many of the administration's anti-terrorism
information-gathering efforts, said these rules should not impinge on
people's privacy.


"We don't see a huge downside," said spokeswoman Emily Whitfield.


Congress mandated the changes in legislation that was signed into law by
President Bush (news - web sites) last May. The law also tightened rules
governing the issuance of visas to visitors and students coming to the United
States and added more Border Patrol officers.


The proposal requires all passengers arriving or departing, as well as crew
members, to provide this information: name, date of birth, citizenship, sex,
passport number and country of issuance, country of residence, U.S. visa
number and other details of its issuance, address while in the United States,
and, where it applies, alien registration number.


Not all information is required in every case. For example, a Canadian person
would not need to provide passport information because one isn't required for
a visit to the United States.


All commercial airlines, cargo flights, cruise ships and other vessels
carrying crew or passengers will be affected, with the exception of most
ferry boats. Private transportation is not affected, nor are commercial buses
or trains.


The information will be sent electronically to the government before a
traveler arrives in the United States or departs from it, giving officials a
complete passenger and crew manifest.


The law also gives Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) leeway
in proposing further requirements.


The aim is to detect potential terrorists or criminals immediately and to
enhance the government's ability to track whether visitors to the United
States have departed as planned.


The INS is weighing how long it will keep the information.


For years, international travelers have been required to fill out forms
detailing their arrival and departure from countries around the world. Before
the Sept. 11 attacks, the main goal was to speed travelers through customs.


The U.S. government, however, has not previously required its own citizens to
submit such forms, and never required forms from departing travelers.
Canadians, permanent resident aliens and certain other people also were
exempted.


More than 29 million passengers flew to the United States from overseas in
the first nine months of 2002, according to the Commerce Department (news -
web sites). The cruise industry estimates that about 8 million U.S.
passengers will embark in 2003.


Officials in the cruise and airline industries say the changes will be costly
and could result in some initial delays and inconveniences for passengers.


"It'll be a little tricky at first but I don't see any major problems," said
David O'Connor, U.S. director for the International Air Transport
Association.

Industry officials agree the departure rules will present the most problems.
Inbound ships and planes have an easier task because they already have a
manifest of the crew and passengers on board, while those departing often
must juggle last-minute passengers and delays caused by late-arriving
connecting flights.

"For people on board, in your system, you have them there and you can readily
get the information," said Michael Crye, president of the International
Council of Cruise Lines. "For departures, it can provide a little bit of a
bottleneck."

In the INS proposal, Ashcroft has added a proposed "passenger name record"
for airlines that will enable the government to better match a departure
record with one for an arrival.

Once the information is collected, it will be transmitted to the U.S.
government and matched against security databases prior to the travelers'
arrival. A passenger or crew member whose information raises a red flag could
be met by officials when the ship or plane arrives.

The INS estimates the rules will affect 108 large commercial air carriers and
ship lines, as well as more than 14,400 smaller carriers of both kinds.
Initial costs to the private-sector are pegged at $166 million.

The INS says it will forgo collection of proposed $1,000-per-passenger fines
until the rule is made permanent and then may forgive them through the end of
the year if an airline or shipping company is making a good-faith effort to
comply.

___

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    • galaxy2099 Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA 04.01.03, 17:45
      Oj biedaku tak ty niewiele wiesz o Ameryce.
      Za to uwielbiasz zabierac o niej glos.
      "Resztki swobody" - oj biedaku, "mniej niz Polacy" - oj joj joj, co za pech.
      Biedaczyska ci Amerykanie. Nic tylko wspolczuc, prawda kanuk.




      Gość portalu: kanuk napisał(a):

      > im juz nic nie trzeba , sami sie pozbawia resztek swobody, juz teraz jej maja
      > mniej niz Polacy.
      > U.S. Proposes Visitor Tracking Rules
      > Sat Jan 4,12:15 AM ET
      >
      >
      > By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
      >
      > WASHINGTON - The government wants detailed information about every person who
      > comes to or leaves the country by commercial plane or boat, and for the first
      > time will require U.S. citizens to fill out forms detailing their comings and
      > goings.
      >
      >
      >
      > Under rules proposed Friday, the information would be sent electronically to
      > the government for matching against security databases.
      >
      >
      > "It's another way to enhance security for travelers," Immigration and
      > Naturalization Service spokeswoman Kimberly Weismann said.
      >
      >
      > The public will have a month to comment on the plan and the final regulations
      > will take effect later this year. The American Civil Liberties Union (news -
      > web sites), which has criticized many of the administration's anti-terrorism
      > information-gathering efforts, said these rules should not impinge on
      > people's privacy.
      >
      >
      > "We don't see a huge downside," said spokeswoman Emily Whitfield.
      >
      >
      > Congress mandated the changes in legislation that was signed into law by
      > President Bush (news - web sites) last May. The law also tightened rules
      > governing the issuance of visas to visitors and students coming to the United
      > States and added more Border Patrol officers.
      >
      >
      > The proposal requires all passengers arriving or departing, as well as crew
      > members, to provide this information: name, date of birth, citizenship, sex,
      > passport number and country of issuance, country of residence, U.S. visa
      > number and other details of its issuance, address while in the United States,
      > and, where it applies, alien registration number.
      >
      >
      > Not all information is required in every case. For example, a Canadian person
      > would not need to provide passport information because one isn't required for
      > a visit to the United States.
      >
      >
      > All commercial airlines, cargo flights, cruise ships and other vessels
      > carrying crew or passengers will be affected, with the exception of most
      > ferry boats. Private transportation is not affected, nor are commercial buses
      > or trains.
      >
      >
      > The information will be sent electronically to the government before a
      > traveler arrives in the United States or departs from it, giving officials a
      > complete passenger and crew manifest.
      >
      >
      > The law also gives Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) leeway
      > in proposing further requirements.
      >
      >
      > The aim is to detect potential terrorists or criminals immediately and to
      > enhance the government's ability to track whether visitors to the United
      > States have departed as planned.
      >
      >
      > The INS is weighing how long it will keep the information.
      >
      >
      > For years, international travelers have been required to fill out forms
      > detailing their arrival and departure from countries around the world. Before
      > the Sept. 11 attacks, the main goal was to speed travelers through customs.
      >
      >
      > The U.S. government, however, has not previously required its own citizens to
      > submit such forms, and never required forms from departing travelers.
      > Canadians, permanent resident aliens and certain other people also were
      > exempted.
      >
      >
      > More than 29 million passengers flew to the United States from overseas in
      > the first nine months of 2002, according to the Commerce Department (news -
      > web sites). The cruise industry estimates that about 8 million U.S.
      > passengers will embark in 2003.
      >
      >
      > Officials in the cruise and airline industries say the changes will be costly
      > and could result in some initial delays and inconveniences for passengers.
      >
      >
      > "It'll be a little tricky at first but I don't see any major problems," said
      > David O'Connor, U.S. director for the International Air Transport
      > Association.
      >
      > Industry officials agree the departure rules will present the most problems.
      > Inbound ships and planes have an easier task because they already have a
      > manifest of the crew and passengers on board, while those departing often
      > must juggle last-minute passengers and delays caused by late-arriving
      > connecting flights.
      >
      > "For people on board, in your system, you have them there and you can readily
      > get the information," said Michael Crye, president of the International
      > Council of Cruise Lines. "For departures, it can provide a little bit of a
      > bottleneck."
      >
      > In the INS proposal, Ashcroft has added a proposed "passenger name record"
      > for airlines that will enable the government to better match a departure
      > record with one for an arrival.
      >
      > Once the information is collected, it will be transmitted to the U.S.
      > government and matched against security databases prior to the travelers'
      > arrival. A passenger or crew member whose information raises a red flag could
      > be met by officials when the ship or plane arrives.
      >
      > The INS estimates the rules will affect 108 large commercial air carriers and
      > ship lines, as well as more than 14,400 smaller carriers of both kinds.
      > Initial costs to the private-sector are pegged at $166 million.
      >
      > The INS says it will forgo collection of proposed $1,000-per-passenger fines
      > until the rule is made permanent and then may forgive them through the end of
      > the year if an airline or shipping company is making a good-faith effort to
      > comply.
      >
      > ___
      >
      • Gość: kanuk Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: proxy / *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 04.01.03, 17:56
        oj oj prawda w oczy kole, co? to dopiero poczatek zamordyzmu. dajmy mu
        szanse.tylko sobie zyczyc aby jak najwiecej Polakow odwiedzilo USA. nic tak nie
        uczy jak wlasne doswiadczenie. wspanialy kraj porwany przez ideowcow, zdarzalo
        sie w innych czesciach swiata tez.... dopoki ziemia, jak spiewal Okudzawa,
        kreci sie... duzo szczescia w 2003 roku!
      • Gość: rychu galaxy, do budy IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 04.01.03, 18:06
        • galaxy2099 !!! 05.01.03, 08:21
          I moj przyjaciel rychu dal glos.
          Kilka dni poc Wigilii ale lepiej pozno niz wcale.

    • new.yorker Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA 04.01.03, 18:01

      A co ciebie to obchodzi z Kanady? To nie twoj kraj. Ty tylko tu zebrasz o
      zielone bo w Kanadzie z glodu zdychasz.


      Gość portalu: kanuk napisał(a):

      > im juz nic nie trzeba , sami sie pozbawia resztek swobody, juz teraz jej maja
      > mniej niz Polacy.
      > U.S. Proposes Visitor Tracking Rules
      > Sat Jan 4,12:15 AM ET
      >
      >
      > By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer
      >
      > WASHINGTON - The government wants detailed information about every person who
      > comes to or leaves the country by commercial plane or boat, and for the first
      > time will require U.S. citizens to fill out forms detailing their comings and
      > goings.
      >
      >
      >
      > Under rules proposed Friday, the information would be sent electronically to
      > the government for matching against security databases.
      >
      >
      > "It's another way to enhance security for travelers," Immigration and
      > Naturalization Service spokeswoman Kimberly Weismann said.
      >
      >
      > The public will have a month to comment on the plan and the final regulations
      > will take effect later this year. The American Civil Liberties Union (news -
      > web sites), which has criticized many of the administration's anti-terrorism
      > information-gathering efforts, said these rules should not impinge on
      > people's privacy.
      >
      >
      > "We don't see a huge downside," said spokeswoman Emily Whitfield.
      >
      >
      > Congress mandated the changes in legislation that was signed into law by
      > President Bush (news - web sites) last May. The law also tightened rules
      > governing the issuance of visas to visitors and students coming to the United
      > States and added more Border Patrol officers.
      >
      >
      > The proposal requires all passengers arriving or departing, as well as crew
      > members, to provide this information: name, date of birth, citizenship, sex,
      > passport number and country of issuance, country of residence, U.S. visa
      > number and other details of its issuance, address while in the United States,
      > and, where it applies, alien registration number.
      >
      >
      > Not all information is required in every case. For example, a Canadian person
      > would not need to provide passport information because one isn't required for
      > a visit to the United States.
      >
      >
      > All commercial airlines, cargo flights, cruise ships and other vessels
      > carrying crew or passengers will be affected, with the exception of most
      > ferry boats. Private transportation is not affected, nor are commercial buses
      > or trains.
      >
      >
      > The information will be sent electronically to the government before a
      > traveler arrives in the United States or departs from it, giving officials a
      > complete passenger and crew manifest.
      >
      >
      > The law also gives Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) leeway
      > in proposing further requirements.
      >
      >
      > The aim is to detect potential terrorists or criminals immediately and to
      > enhance the government's ability to track whether visitors to the United
      > States have departed as planned.
      >
      >
      > The INS is weighing how long it will keep the information.
      >
      >
      > For years, international travelers have been required to fill out forms
      > detailing their arrival and departure from countries around the world. Before
      > the Sept. 11 attacks, the main goal was to speed travelers through customs.
      >
      >
      > The U.S. government, however, has not previously required its own citizens to
      > submit such forms, and never required forms from departing travelers.
      > Canadians, permanent resident aliens and certain other people also were
      > exempted.
      >
      >
      > More than 29 million passengers flew to the United States from overseas in
      > the first nine months of 2002, according to the Commerce Department (news -
      > web sites). The cruise industry estimates that about 8 million U.S.
      > passengers will embark in 2003.
      >
      >
      > Officials in the cruise and airline industries say the changes will be costly
      > and could result in some initial delays and inconveniences for passengers.
      >
      >
      > "It'll be a little tricky at first but I don't see any major problems," said
      > David O'Connor, U.S. director for the International Air Transport
      > Association.
      >
      > Industry officials agree the departure rules will present the most problems.
      > Inbound ships and planes have an easier task because they already have a
      > manifest of the crew and passengers on board, while those departing often
      > must juggle last-minute passengers and delays caused by late-arriving
      > connecting flights.
      >
      > "For people on board, in your system, you have them there and you can readily
      > get the information," said Michael Crye, president of the International
      > Council of Cruise Lines. "For departures, it can provide a little bit of a
      > bottleneck."
      >
      > In the INS proposal, Ashcroft has added a proposed "passenger name record"
      > for airlines that will enable the government to better match a departure
      > record with one for an arrival.
      >
      > Once the information is collected, it will be transmitted to the U.S.
      > government and matched against security databases prior to the travelers'
      > arrival. A passenger or crew member whose information raises a red flag could
      > be met by officials when the ship or plane arrives.
      >
      > The INS estimates the rules will affect 108 large commercial air carriers and
      > ship lines, as well as more than 14,400 smaller carriers of both kinds.
      > Initial costs to the private-sector are pegged at $166 million.
      >
      > The INS says it will forgo collection of proposed $1,000-per-passenger fines
      > until the rule is made permanent and then may forgive them through the end of
      > the year if an airline or shipping company is making a good-faith effort to
      > comply.
      >
      > ___
      >
      • Gość: kanuk Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: proxy / *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 04.01.03, 18:14
        nastepny moron. agresywny jezyk w obliczu zwyklego tekstu do oceny.nie jestem
        moze tak bogaty jak ty w USA, ktory przeciez caly swiat karmisz i podtrzymujesz
        przy zyciu swoimi niewidzialnymi bombowcami dalekiego zasiegu i flota
        lotniskowcow w kazdym zakatku swiata. mieszasz sie w sprawy innych chetnie-ale
        od ciebie wara , tak ?
        • Gość: felusiak Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: *.nyc.rr.com 04.01.03, 18:27
          Dawno mowilem, ze tyle ziemi w Kanadzie sie marnuje.
          Odczepcie sie od kanuka. Chlop zachorowal i nic o tym nie wie bo go nie boli.
          Bo glupota nie boli.
          Na jakiej podstawie sadzi on, ze moje wolnosci w jakikolwiek sposob zostana
          ograniczone nie mam najmniejszego pojecia.
          Nie wprowadzono obowiazku meldunkowego i nie mam obowiazku posiadania
          dokumentu tozsamosci, czyli Bush w dalszym ciagu nie wie gdzie mieszkam i jak
          sie nazywam. Zamordyzm?
          • Gość: kanuk Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: proxy / *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 04.01.03, 22:08
            masz prawo jazdy felusiak? jak sie przeprowadzisz to masz obowiazek zglosic
            nowy adres? w jakim czasie? to wszystko co trzeba aby cie znalezc, wolny
            czlowieku. :)
        • new.yorker Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA 04.01.03, 20:21
          Gość portalu: kanuk napisał(a):

          > nastepny moron. agresywny jezyk w obliczu zwyklego tekstu do oceny.nie jestem
          > moze tak bogaty jak ty w USA, ktory przeciez caly swiat karmisz i
          podtrzymujesz


          podtrzmuje siebie samego ale przynajmnie nie musze tak jak ty granicy
          przekraczac w drodze do prawcy.



          >
          > przy zyciu swoimi niewidzialnymi bombowcami dalekiego zasiegu i flota
          > lotniskowcow w kazdym zakatku swiata. mieszasz sie w sprawy innych chetnie-
          ale
          >
          > od ciebie wara , tak ?
          • Gość: felusiak Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: *.nyc.rr.com 05.01.03, 08:57
            kanuk postawil mi takie oto pytanie:
            masz prawo jazdy felusiak? jak sie przeprowadzisz to masz obowiazek zglosic
            nowy adres? w jakim czasie? to wszystko co trzeba aby cie znalezc, wolny
            czlowieku. :)

            Panie kanuk ( postaram sie byc nieco bardziej kurtuazyjny ) przyznaje, ze mam
            prawo jazdy gdyz jest mi potrzebne do prowadzenia samochodu. Nie jest mi
            potrzebne kiedy ide piechota, gdyz nie mam obowiazku miec dowod tozsamosci w
            kieszeni. Nie moge tez byc wylegitymowany przez policjanta. Ciekaw jestem komu
            mam zglosic nowy adres? Mojemu bankowi, zeby przysylali mi comiesieczne
            sprawozdania do domu, TAK. I komu jeszcze? Wedlug jakich przepisow mam
            OBOWIAZEK. Rzeczywiscie jesli pan posiada zielona karte to taki obowiazek ciazy
            na panu w stosunku do tylko i wylacznie Immigration and Naturalization Service.
            Jezeli wladze chca bardzo mnie znalezc to nic temu nie stoi na przeszkodzie,
            Musza jednak podjac ku temu dzialania i wydac pieniadze a ja ze swojej strony
            nie mam obowiazku im w tym pomagac.
            Reasumujac twierdze, ze napisal pan stek bzdur i co gorsza probuje pan bronic
            swojej irracjonalnej pozycji za wszelka cene, nawet za cene narazenia sie na
            smiesznosc.
            Pozdrawiam.

            • Gość: kanuk Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: proxy / *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 05.01.03, 15:55
              dziekuje za pozdrowienia. wydaje mi sie ze pan nie zauwaza zmian i czuje sie
              pan "wolniejszy" niz obywatele innych krajow. to jest ta bzdura w Pana glowie i
              megalomania.
              • Gość: felusiak Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: *.nyc.rr.com 05.01.03, 20:23
                Sz. Panie kanuk wiem co znaczy "bzdura w mojej glowie" ale pomawianie mnie o
                megalomanie?
                megalomania (gr. megalo- ‘wielko-’ + mania – p.łc. z gr. manía ‘szał’)
                psychol., społ. postawa nacechowana przesadnym poczuciem własnej wartości,
                swoich możliwości, wiedzy; mania wielkości; n.os. megaloman.

                No ale do rzeczy. Zgadzam sie, ze po 9 11 zapedy rzadu federalnego sa nieco
                niepokojace, ale wierze, ze dziala on w dobrej wierze, dopoki nie okaze sie ,
                ze jest inaczej.
                W jaki sposob ewidencja przekraczania granicy ogranicza moje wolnosci jest dla
                mnie nie do pojecia. Moze pan wie?
                Czy pana zdaniem placenie podatkow i przymus posylania moich dzieci do szkoly
                tez ogranicza moja wolnosc?

                • Gość: kanuk Re: nowe 'wolnosci' w USA IP: proxy / *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 05.01.03, 23:20
                  teraz przychodzi mi na mysl slowo demagog. to Pan. megalomania to postawa
                  wszystkich co kochaja imperialistyczne zapedy wladzy w USA i strasznie sie
                  chelpia obecnoscia wojsk USA w calym swiecie prawie. chcieliby panowania nad
                  swiatem. nie lubilbym tego w zadnym wydaniu, cenie konkurencje. klaniam sie.

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