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    • Gość: boss HOW ISLAM WON, AND LOST, THE LEAD IN SCIENCE IP: *.sprint.ca 01.11.01, 09:18
      New York Times
      October 30, 2001

      HOW ISLAM WON, AND LOST, THE LEAD IN SCIENCE
      By DENNIS OVERBYE

      Nasir al-Din al-Tusi was still a young man when the Assassins made him an offer
      he couldn't refuse.
      His hometown had been devastated by Mongol armies, and so, early in the 13th
      century, al-Tusi, a promising astronomer and philosopher, came to dwell in the
      legendary fortress city of Alamut in the mountains of northern Persia.
      He lived among a heretical and secretive sect of Shiite Muslims, whose members
      practiced political murder as a tactic and were dubbed hashishinn, legend has
      it, because of their use of hashish.
      Although al-Tusi later said he had been held in Alamut against his will, the
      library there was renowned for its excellence, and al-Tusi thrived there,
      publishing works on astronomy, ethics, mathematics and philosophy that marked
      him as one of the great intellectuals of his age.
      But when the armies of Halagu, the grandson of Genghis Khan, massed outside the
      city in 1256, al-Tusi had little trouble deciding where his loyalties lay. He
      joined Halagu and accompanied him to Baghdad, which fell in 1258. The grateful
      Halagu built him an observatory at Maragha, in what is now northwestern Iran.
      Al-Tusi's deftness and ideological flexibility in pursuit of the resources to
      do science paid off. The road to modern astronomy, scholars say, leads through
      the work that he and his followers performed at Maragha and Alamut in the 13th
      and 14th centuries. It is a road that winds from Athens to Alexandria, Baghdad,
      Damascus and Córdoba, through the palaces of caliphs and the basement
      laboratories of alchemists, and it was traveled not just by astronomy but by
      all science.
      Commanded by the Koran to seek knowledge and read nature for signs of the
      Creator, and inspired by a treasure trove of ancient Greek learning, Muslims
      created a society that in the Middle Ages was the scientific center of the
      world. The Arabic language was synonymous with learning and science for 500
      hundred years, a golden age that can count among its credits the precursors to
      modern universities, algebra, the names of the stars and even the notion of
      science as an empirical inquiry.
      "Nothing in Europe could hold a candle to what was going on in the Islamic
      world until about 1600," said Dr. Jamil Ragep, a professor of the history of
      science at the University of Oklahoma.
      It was the infusion of this knowledge into Western Europe, historians say, that
      fueled the Renaissance and the scientific revolution.
      "Civilizations don't just clash," said Dr. Abdelhamid Sabra, a retired
      professor of the history of Arabic science who taught at Harvard. "They can
      learn from each other. Islam is a good example of that." The intellectual
      meeting of Arabia and Greece was one of the greatest events in history, he
      said. "Its scale and consequences are enormous, not just for Islam but for
      Europe and the world."
      But historians say they still know very little about this golden age. Few of
      the major scientific works from that era have been translated from Arabic, and
      thousands of manuscripts have never even been read by modern scholars. Dr.
      Sabra characterizes the history of Islamic science as a field that "hasn't even
      begun yet."
      Islam's rich intellectual history, scholars are at pains and seem saddened and
      embarrassed to point out, belies the image cast by recent world events.
      Traditionally, Islam has encouraged science and learning. "There is no conflict
      between Islam and science," said Dr. Osman Bakar of the Center for Muslim-
      Christian Understanding at Georgetown.
      "Knowledge is part of the creed," added Dr. Farouk El-Baz, a geologist at
      Boston University, who was science adviser to President Anwar el- Sadat of
      Egypt. "When you know more, you see more evidence of God."
      So the notion that modern Islamic science is now considered "abysmal," as Abdus
      Salam, the first Muslim to win a Nobel Prize in Physics, once put it, haunts
      Eastern scholars. "Muslims have a kind of nostalgia for the past, when they
      could contend that they were the dominant cultivators of science," Dr. Bakar
      said. The relation between science and religion has generated much debate in
      the Islamic world, he and other scholars said. Some scientists and historians
      call for an "Islamic science" informed by spiritual values they say Western
      science ignores, but others argue that a religious conservatism in the East has
      dampened the skeptical spirit necessary for good science.
      • Gość: Aynur Re: HOW ISLAM WON, AND LOST, THE LEAD IN SCIENCE IP: 62.46.18.* 01.11.01, 16:08
        Szkoda , bym z checia poczytala ale moj angielski mi nie wystarczy.
    • Gość: boss HOW ISLAM....cd IP: *.sprint.ca 01.11.01, 09:18
      The Golden Age

      When Muhammad's armies swept out from the Arabian peninsula in the seventh and
      eighth centuries, annexing territory from Spain to Persia, they also annexed
      the works of Plato, Aristotle, Democritus, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Hippocrates
      and other Greek thinkers.
      Hellenistic culture had been spread eastward by the armies of Alexander the
      Great and by religious minorities, including various Christian sects, according
      to Dr. David Lindberg, a medieval science historian at the University of
      Wisconsin.
      The largely illiterate Muslim conquerors turned to the local intelligentsia to
      help them govern, Dr. Lindberg said. In the process, he said, they absorbed
      Greek learning that had yet to be transmitted to the West in a serious way, or
      even translated into Latin. "The West had a thin version of Greek knowledge,"
      Dr. Lindberg said. "The East had it all."
      In ninth-century Baghdad the Caliph Abu al-Abbas al-Mamun set up an institute,
      the House of Wisdom, to translate manuscripts. Among the first works rendered
      into Arabic was the Alexandrian astronomer Ptolemy's "Great Work," which
      described a universe in which the Sun, Moon, planets and stars revolved around
      Earth; Al-Magest, as the work was known to Arabic scholars, became the basis
      for cosmology for the next 500 years.
      Jews, Christians and Muslims all participated in this flowering of science,
      art, medicine and philosophy, which endured for at least 500 years and spread
      from Spain to Persia. Its height, historians say, was in the 10th and 11th
      centuries when three great thinkers strode the East: Abu Ali al- Hasan ibn al-
      Haytham, also known as Alhazen; Abu Rayham Muhammad al-Biruni; and Abu Ali al-
      Hussein Ibn Sina, also known as Avicenna.
      Al-Haytham, born in Iraq in 965, experimented with light and vision, laying the
      foundation for modern optics and for the notion that science should be based on
      experiment as well as on philosophical arguments. "He ranks with Archimedes,
      Kepler and Newton as a great mathematical scientist," said Dr. Lindberg.
      The mathematician, astronomer and geographer al-Biruni, born in what is now
      part of Uzbekistan in 973, wrote some 146 works totaling 13,000 pages,
      including a vast sociological and geographical study of India.
      Ibn Sina was a physician and philosopher born near Bukhara (now in Uzbekistan)
      in 981. He compiled a million-word medical encyclopedia, the Canons of
      Medicine, that was used as a textbook in parts of the West until the 17th
      century.
      Scholars say science found such favor in medieval Islam for several reasons.
      Part of the allure was mystical; it was another way to experience the unity of
      creation that was the central message of Islam.
      "Anyone who studies anatomy will increase his faith in the omnipotence and
      oneness of God the Almighty," goes a saying often attributed to Abul-Walid
      Muhammad Ibn Rushd, also known as Averroes, a 13th-century anatomist and
      philosopher.
      Knocking on Heaven's Door
      Another reason is that Islam is one of the few religions in human history in
      which scientific procedures are necessary for religious ritual, Dr. David King,
      a historian of science at Johann Wolfgang Goethe University in Frankfurt,
      pointed out in his book "Astronomy in the Service of Islam," published in 1993.
      Arabs had always been knowledgeable about the stars and used them to navigate
      the desert, but Islam raised the stakes for astronomy.
      The requirement that Muslims face in the direction of Mecca when they pray, for
      example, required knowledge of the size and shape of the Earth. The best
      astronomical minds of the Muslim world tackled the job of producing tables or
      diagrams by which the qibla, or sacred directions, could be found from any
      point in the Islamic world. Their efforts rose to a precision far beyond the
      needs of the peasants who would use them, noted Dr. King.
      Astronomers at the Samarkand observatory, which was founded about 1420 by the
      ruler Ulugh Beg, measured star positions to a fraction of a degree, said Dr. El-
      Baz.
      Islamic astronomy reached its zenith, at least from the Western perspective, in
      the 13th and 14th centuries, when al-Tusi and his successors pushed against the
      limits of the Ptolemaic world view that had ruled for a millennium.
      According to the philosophers, celestial bodies were supposed to move in
      circles at uniform speeds. But the beauty of Ptolemy's attempt to explain the
      very ununiform motions of planets and the Sun as seen from Earth was marred by
      corrections like orbits within orbits, known as epicycles, and geometrical
      modifications.
      Al-Tusi found a way to restore most of the symmetry to Ptolemy's model by
      adding pairs of cleverly designed epicycles to each orbit. Following in al-
      Tusi's footsteps, the 14th-century astronomer Ala al-Din Abul-Hasan ibn al-
      Shatir had managed to go further and construct a completely symmetrical model.
      Copernicus, who overturned the Ptolemaic universe in 1530 by proposing that the
      planets revolved around the Sun, expressed ideas similar to the Muslim
      astronomers in his early writings. This has led some historians to suggest that
      there is a previously unknown link between Copernicus and the Islamic
      astronomers, even though neither ibn al- Shatir's nor al-Tusi's work is known
      to have ever been translated into Latin, and therefore was presumably unknown
      in the West.
      Dr. Owen Gingerich, an astronomer and historian of astronomy at Harvard, said
      he believed that Copernicus could have developed the ideas independently, but
      wrote in Scientific American that the whole idea of criticizing Ptolemy and
      reforming his model was part of "the climate of opinion inherited by the Latin
      West from Islam."
      The Decline of the East
      Despite their awareness of Ptolemy's flaws, Islamic astronomers were a long
      ways from throwing out his model: dismissing it would have required a
      philosophical as well as cosmological revolution. "In some ways it was
      beginning to happen," said Dr. Ragep of the University of Oklahoma. But the
      East had no need of heliocentric models of the universe, said Dr. King of
      Frankfurt. All motion being relative, he said, it was irrelevant for the
      purposes of Muslim rituals whether the sun went around the Earth or vice versa.
      From the 10th to the 13th century Europeans, especially in Spain, were
      translating Arabic works into Hebrew and Latin "as fast as they could," said
      Dr. King. The result was a rebirth of learning that ultimately transformed
      Western civilization.
      Why didn't Eastern science go forward as well? "Nobody has answered that
      question satisfactorily," said Dr. Sabra of Harvard. Pressed, historians offer
      up a constellation of reasons. Among other things, the Islamic empire began to
      be whittled away in the 13th century by Crusaders from the West and Mongols
      from the East.
      Christians reconquered Spain and its magnificent libraries in Córdoba and
      Toledo, full of Arab learning. As a result, Islamic centers of learning began
      to lose touch with one another and with the West, leading to a gradual erosion
      in two of the main pillars of science — communication and financial support.
      In the West, science was able to pay for itself in new technology like the
      steam engine and to attract financing from industry, but in the East it
      remained dependent on the patronage and curiosity of sultans and caliphs.
      Further, the Ottomans, who took over the Arabic lands in the 16th century, were
      builders and conquerors, not thinkers, said Dr. El- Baz of Boston University,
      and support waned. "You cannot expect the science to be excellent while the
      society is not," he said.
      Others argue, however, that Islamic science seems to decline only when viewed
      through Western, secular eyes. "It's possible to live without an industrial
      revolution if you have enough camels and food," Dr. King said.
      "Why did Muslim science decli
      • Gość: boss obcieło kawałek IP: *.sprint.ca 01.11.01, 09:26
        "Why did Muslim science decline?" he said. "That's a very Western question. It
        flourished for a thousand years — no civilization on Earth has flourished that
        long in that way."

    • Gość: boss HOW ISLAM...dok. IP: *.sprint.ca 01.11.01, 09:19
      Islamic Science Wars

      Humiliating encounters with Western colonial powers in the 19th century
      produced a hunger for Western science and technology, or at least the economic
      and military power they could produce, scholars say. Reformers bent on
      modernizing Eastern educational systems to include Western science could argue
      that Muslims would only be reclaiming their own, since the West had inherited
      science from the Islamic world to begin with.
      In some ways these efforts have been very successful. "In particular countries
      the science syllabus is quite modern," said Dr. Bakar of Georgetown, citing
      Malaysia, Jordan and Pakistan, in particular. Even in Saudi Arabia, one of the
      most conservative Muslim states, science classes are conducted in English, Dr.
      Sabra said.
      Nevertheless, science still lags in the Muslim world, according to Dr. Pervez
      Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani physicist and professor at Quaid-e-Azam University in
      Islamabad, who has written on Islam and science. According to his own informal
      survey, included in his 1991 book "Islam and Science, Religious Orthodoxy and
      the Battle for Rationality," Muslims are seriously underrepresented in science,
      accounting for fewer than 1 percent of the world's scientists while they
      account for almost a fifth of the world's population. Israel, he reports, has
      almost twice as many scientists as the Muslim countries put together.
      Among other sociological and economic factors, like the lack of a middle class,
      Dr. Hoodbhoy attributes the malaise of Muslim science to an increasing emphasis
      over the last millennium on rote learning based on the Koran.
      "The notion that all knowledge is in the Great Text is a great disincentive to
      learning," he said. "It's destructive if we want to create a thinking person,
      someone who can analyze, question and create." Dr. Bruno Guideroni, a Muslim
      who is an astrophysicist at the National Center for Scientific Research in
      Paris, said, "The fundamentalists criticize science simply because it is
      Western."
      Other scholars said the attitude of conservative Muslims to science was not so
      much hostile as schizophrenic, wanting its benefits but not its world
      view. "They may use modern technology, but they don't deal with issues of
      religion and science." said Dr. Bakar.
      One response to the invasion of Western science, said the scientists, has been
      an effort to "Islamicize" science by portraying the Koran as a source of
      scientific knowledge.
      Dr. Hoodbhoy said such groups had criticized the concept of cause and effect.
      Educational guidelines once issued by the Institute for Policy Studies in
      Pakistan, for example, included the recommendation that physical effects not be
      related to causes.
      For example, it was not Islamic to say that combining hydrogen and oxygen makes
      water. "You were supposed to say," Dr. Hoodbhoy recounted, "that when you bring
      hydrogen and oxygen together then by the will of Allah water was created."
      Even Muslims who reject fundamentalism, however, have expressed doubts about
      the desirability of following the Western style of science, saying that it
      subverts traditional spiritual values and promotes materialism and alienation.
      "No science is created in a vacuum," said Dr. Seyyed Hossein Nasr, a science
      historian, author, philosopher and professor of Islamic studies at George
      Washington University, during a speech at the Massachusetts Institute of
      Technology a few years ago. "Science arose under particular circumstances in
      the West with certain philosophical presumptions about the nature of reality."
      Dr. Muzaffar Iqbal, a chemist and the president and founder of the Center for
      Islam and Science in Alberta, Canada, explained: "Modern science doesn't claim
      to address the purpose of life; that is outside the domain. In the Islamic
      world, purpose is integral, part of that life."
      Most working scientists tend to scoff at the notion that science can be divided
      into ethnic, religious or any other kind of flavor. There is only one universe.
      The process of asking and answering questions about nature, they say,
      eventually erases the particular circumstances from which those questions arise.
      In his book, Dr. Hoodbhoy recounts how Dr. Salam, Dr. Steven Weinberg, now at
      the University of Texas, and Dr. Sheldon Glashow at Harvard, shared the Nobel
      Prize for showing that electromagnetism and the so- called weak nuclear force
      are different manifestations of a single force.
      Dr. Salam and Dr. Weinberg had devised the same contribution to that theory
      independently, he wrote, despite the fact that Dr. Weinberg is an atheist while
      Dr. Salam was a Muslim who prayed regularly and quoted from the Koran. Dr.
      Salam confirmed the account in his introduction to the book, describing himself
      as "geographically and ideologically remote" from Dr. Weinberg.
      "Science is international," said Dr. El-Baz. "There is no such thing as Islamic
      science. Science is like building a big building, a pyramid. Each person puts
      up a block. These blocks have never had a religion. It's irrelevant, the color
      of the guy who put up the block."

      Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
      • Gość: Gatsby Jak islam stracil wigor intelektualny... IP: *.cvx19-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net 02.11.01, 16:33
        Dzieki za artykul. Potwierdza to co juz ludzie pisali na tym
        forum ze islam stracil swoja pozycje intelektualna jakies
        500-600 lat temu. Troche szkoda, bo nie mielibysmy tylu klopotow
        z Talibami i Talibo-podobnymi. Obwinianie Hiszpanow za upadek
        nauki arabskiej jest nieporozumieniem. Bardziej przekonuje argument
        ze to Turcy wbili gwozdz do trumny.

        Tak czy inaczej widzc ze islam rozwijal sie w kontakcie z innymi
        kulturami, nie w konfrontacji z nimi...
    • Gość: boss Salman Rushdie IP: *.sprint.ca 03.11.01, 09:52
      A WAR THAT PRESENTS US ALL WITH A CRISIS OF FAITH

      Salman Rushdie on Islam versus Islamism

      Saturday November 3, 2001
      The Guardian

      'This isn't about Islam." The world's leaders have been repeating this mantra
      for weeks, partly in the virtuous hope of deterring reprisal attacks on
      innocent Muslims living in the west, partly because, if the US is to maintain
      its coalition against terror, it can't afford to allege that Islam and
      terrorism are in any way related.

      The trouble with this necessary disclaimer is that it isn't true. If this isn't
      about Islam, why the worldwide Muslim demonstrations in support of Osama bin
      Laden and al-Qaida? Why did those 10,000 men armed with swords and axes mass on
      the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier, answering some mullah's call to jihad? Why
      are the war's first British casualties three Muslim men who died fighting on
      the Taliban side?

      Why the routine anti-Semitism of the much-repeated Islamic slander that "the
      Jews" arranged the hits on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, with the
      oddly self-deprecating explanation offered by the Taliban leadership, among
      others, that Muslims could not have the technological knowhow or organisational
      sophistication to pull off such a feat? Why does Imran Khan, the Pakistani ex-
      sports star turned politician, demand to be shown the evidence of al-Qaida's
      guilt, while apparently turning a deaf ear to the self-incriminating statements
      of al-Qaida's own spokesmen (there will be a rain of aircraft from the skies,
      Muslims in the west are warned not to live or work in tall buildings, etc)? Why
      all the talk about US military infidels desecrating the sacred soil of Saudi
      Arabia, if some sort of definition of what is sacred is not at the heart of the
      present discontents?

      Let's start calling a spade a spade. Of course this is "about Islam". The
      question is: what exactly does that mean? After all, most religious belief
      isn't very theological. Most Muslims are not profound Koranic analysts. For a
      vast number of "believing" Muslim men, "Islam" stands, in a jumbled, half-
      examined way, not only for the fear of God - the fear more than the love, one
      suspects - but also for a cluster of customs, opinions and prejudices that
      include their dietary practices, the sequestration or near-sequestration
      of "their" women, the sermons delivered by their mullah of choice, a loathing
      of modern society in general, riddled as it is with music, godlessness and sex,
      and a more particularised loathing (and fear) of the prospect that their own
      immediate surroundings could be taken over - "westoxicated" - by the liberal,
      western-style way of life.

      Highly motivated organisations of Muslim men (oh, for the voices of Muslim
      women to be heard!) have been engaged, over the past 30 years or so, in growing
      radical political movements out of this mulch of "belief". These Islamists - we
      must get used to this word, "Islamists", meaning those who are engaged upon
      such political projects, and learn to distinguish it from the more general, and
      politically neutral, "Muslim" - include the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the
      bloodsoaked combatants of the FIS and GIA in Algeria, the Shia revolutionaries
      of Iran, and the Taliban. Poverty is their great helper, and the fruit of their
      efforts is paranoia. This paranoid Islam, which blames outsiders, "infidels",
      for all the ills of Muslim societies, and whose proposed remedy is the closing
      of those societies to the rival project of modernity, is presently the fastest-
      growing version of Islam in the world.

      This is not wholly to go along with Samuel Huntington's thesis about the "clash
      of civilisations", for the simple reason that the Islamists' project is not
      only turned against the west and "the Jews", but also against their fellow
      Islamists. Whatever the public rhetoric, there's little love lost between the
      Taliban and Iranian regimes. Dissensions between Muslim nations run at least as
      deep, if not deeper, than those nations' resentment of the west. Nevertheless,
      it would be absurd to deny that this self-exculpatory, paranoiac Islam is an
      ideology with widespread appeal.

      Twenty years ago, when I was writing a novel about power struggles in a
      fictionalised Pakistan, it was already de rigueur in the Muslim world to blame
      all its troubles on the west and, in particular, the United States. Then, as
      now, some of these criticisms were well founded; no room here to rehearse the
      geopolitics of the cold war, and America's frequently damaging foreign
      policy "tilts", to use the Kissinger term, towards (or away from) this or that
      temporarily useful (or disapproved of) nation state, or America's role in the
      installation and deposition of sundry unsavoury leaders and regimes.

      But I wanted then to ask a question which is no less important now: suppose we
      say that the ills of our societies are not primarily America's fault - that we
      are to blame for our own failings? How would we understand them then? Might we
      not, by accepting our own responsibility for our problems, begin to learn to
      solve them for ourselves?

      Interestingly, many Muslims, as well as secularist analysts with roots in the
      Muslim world, are beginning to ask such questions now. In recent weeks, Muslim
      voices have everywhere been raised against the obscurantist "hijack" of their
      religion. Yesterday's hotheads (among them Yusuf Islam, aka Cat Stevens) are
      improbably repackaging themselves as today's pussycats. An Iraqi writer quotes
      an earlier Iraqi satirist: "The disease that is in us, is from us." A British
      Muslim writes that "Islam has become its own enemy". A Lebanese writer friend,
      returning from Beirut, tells me that in the aftermath of September 11, public
      criticism of Islamism has become much more outspoken. Many commentators have
      spoken of the need for a reformation in the Muslim world.

      I'm reminded of the way non-communist socialists used to distance themselves
      from the tyrannous "actually existing" socialism of the Soviets; nevertheless,
      the first stirrings of this counter- project are of great significance. If
      Islam is to be reconciled with modernity, these voices must be encouraged until
      they swell into a roar.

      Many of them speak of another Islam - their personal, private faith - and the
      restoration of religion to the sphere of the personal - its depoliticisation -
      is the nettle that all Muslim societies must grasp in order to become modern.
      The only aspect of modernity in which the terrorists are interested is
      technology, which they see as a weapon that can be turned against its makers.
      If terrorism is to be defeated, the world of Islam must take on board the
      secularist-humanist principles on which the modern is based, and without which
      their countries' freedom will remain a distant dream.


      Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001
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