Wstrzasajaca taktyka ataku na Bagdad - cywile gina

[Gość: N.Y.Times]

N.Y. Times podaje tutaj

www.nytimes.com/2003/04/06/international/worldspecial/06INFA.html?ex=1050568181&ei=1&en=675717d5d7e4d
b3a

w artykule zatutulowanym "Barrage of fire, trail of
death" (huragan ognia, sciezka smierci) podaje
wstrzasajacy opis taktyki amerykanskich sil zbrojnych,
ktore wykorzystujac swa przewage techniczna (odpornosc
czolgow na ogien z lekkiej broni oddzialow irackich)
wjezdzaja znienacka do miasta i jadac wzdluz bulwarow
po prostu strzelaja, nie dajac nawet czasu cywilom by
uciekli.

Oczywiscie N.Y.Times, wywazony w slowach dziennik
liberalno-prozydowski, nie opisuje masakry w ten
sposob, ale... przeczytajcie sami, a zobaczycie.

Artykul zawiera m.in. opis rodziny, ktora atak zastal
na srodku jezdni w sachochodzie. Wyniku nie zdradze.

Wg mnie kwalifikuje to wszystko dowodztwo sil
inwazyjnych do odpowiedzialnosci za zbrodnie wojenna
(abstrahujac od realnych szans wszczecia dochodzenia).

[Gość: felusiak]

To o czym pisze NY Times mam caly dzien na ekranie telewizora.
Cywile iraccy strzelajac z kalasznikowow probuja uderzyc samochodami osobowymi
w czolgi i transportery opancerzone.

[Gość: echo]

a czy to nie byla odpowiedz na straty poniesione w otoczeniu odzialu
amerykanskiego, ktory zostal odciety i wystrzelany kolo lotniska?
ponoc amerykanie probowali wyslac posilki z poludnia lecz im to nie wyszlo.
tego prasa amerykanska nie podaje. irak obiecal ze pokaze wideo z tego
okrazenia.

[Gość: Desmond]

>"It doesn't sit well for many people in the world to have their goverment
appointed by the USA".

> Czy moze ktos wie kto wypowiedzial to zdanie?.

[Gość: jastrzab]

z tymi 'cywilami' to uwazaj .. wielu z nich to uzbrojone partyjniaki z parti
Bass albo czlonkowie fedayem-hussain - towarzystwo ktore albo zawisnie na
latarniach po skonczeniu wojny albo co im zostalo to desperackie akty heroizmu -
proba staranowania amerykanskiego czolgu.

[kyle_broflovski]

i jeszcze sa ludzie ktorzy biora za zle Hitlerowi
zrownanie z ziemia warszawy po powstaniu warszawskim

desperackie akty heroizmu - to tez heroizm

[bonobo44]

- zwlaszcza to

pelny angielski text

[bonobo44]

IN THE FIELD | THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION
Barrage of Fire, Trail of Death in the Capital
By STEVEN LEE MYERS


T THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, near Baghdad, April 5 — Lt. Col. Eric C. Schwartz
did not see much of Baghdad this morning as his battalion of roughly 60 tanks,
Bradleys and other armored vehicles churned along Highway 8, rumbling through
first an industrial then a residential zone not far from the city's center.

All he recalled, when it was over, were the Iraqi soldiers, the artillery
batteries, the trucks mounted with machine guns, the wisp and blast of rocket-
propelled grenades, the whiz of bullets, the fiery explosions of cars packed,
he assumed, with explosives.

"It was three hours of organized chaos," he said.

The colonel's battalion, part of the Army's Third Infantry Division, rolled
into the heart of Baghdad in what, on the Iraqi side, must have seemed like the
beginning of the invasion of the city itself.

The casualty count was unknowable, because the American soldiers moved
virtually without stopping, but in the estimate of the Second Brigade's
commander, Col. David Perkins, more than 1,000 Iraqi fighters died today.

For commanders here, the march was as much a psychological as it was a
strategic display of force that they hoped would hasten the fall of President
Saddam Hussein.

"We're not ready to go in and occupy the city," the division's commander, Maj.
Gen. Buford C. Blount III, said in an interview. "We don't want to occupy it."

Referring to reports on Iraqi television that American forces had become bogged
down in fighting around this airport and farther south, General Blount
described the attack today as a counterstrike in what he called "the I.O.
campaign," or information operations.

For the soldiers — members of the Second Brigade's First Battalion, 64th
Armored Regiment — it was a blistering gantlet of death and destruction that,
they said, engulfed civilians as well as Iraqi fighters. It began just after
dawn and ended when they arrived here at the airport, already occupied by the
division's First Brigade.

A tank commander, sitting exposed in his open hatch, was killed when a grenade
or mortar exploded in his face, soldiers and officers said. At least six
American soldiers were wounded, some of them seriously.

One tank was destroyed, apparently by a rocket-propelled grenade, and had to be
left behind in southern Baghdad after the crew was rescued. Other tanks and
Bradleys were damaged, some pocked with the splash of rocket-propelled grenades
and others charred by explosives.

A grenade hit Specialist Joseph A. Aiello's tank. "We were just riding along
and all of a sudden you could hear a pow," he said. "The tank didn't really
shake, but you could feel the vibration."

Sgt. Daniel R. Thompson, riding two tanks behind, saw the Iraqi who fired the
grenade. He had fallen backward. "He had no legs," he said, but somehow managed
to fire. Sergeant Thompson's tank commander killed the man in a burst of
machine-gun fire.

Specialist Aiello, a gunner, said he simply never stopped firing, despite the
grenade's blast. The Iraqi fighters, he said, fired from streets, from groves
of trees, from highway overpasses. Many mingled with civilians caught up in the
unexpected armored thrust. Some people ran. Others waved white clothes or held
up their hands.

"It was hard to shoot, because you don't want to shoot the civilians," he
said. "It was hard to pick out the threat."

The four tanks of their platoon, part of Company A, bear the names of the four
airliners that were hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001. Sgt. First Class Eric R. Olson
said the men had stenciled them on the cannons as a way to motivate themselves,
even though he was not sure there was a direct connection between that attack
and the one this morning.

While Highway 8 is a major highway, in some places set off by broad, tree-and-
shrub-filled shoulders, it narrows in other places to four lanes from six —
with homes and office buildings on either side. It conjured a vision of the
sort of urban warfare that the Third Infantry Division's commanders disdain and
fear.

"I don't think we want to fight in the city," said Staff Sgt. Joseph C.
Szafranski, part of a Bradley platoon. "If they want us to go door to door,
we're going to need a lot more personnel."




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IN THE FIELD | THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION
Barrage of Fire, Trail of Death in the Capital
(Page 2 of 2)



Specialist Joshua M. Kinnison, driver of an armored command post, one of
several soldiers interviewed after they arrived at the airport, recalled the
scene this way: "People lying all over the side of the road — I can't even
count how many."

The brigade's march — from the intersection of Highways 1 and 8, south of
Baghdad — was less than 15 miles long. The column's armored vehicles stopped
only to rescue the crew of the destroyed tank and to capture a man they
believed to be a colonel with the Republican Guard as he tried to drive on an
off-ramp.

Pvt. Daniel L. Hamilton was in the back of the Bradley that transported the
Iraqi colonel. "He spoke some English," he said. "We asked him if he thought
this was the right thing to do: taking out Saddam. Basically, he said it was."

Colonel Perkins, the Second Brigade's commander, estimated that 100 vehicles
had been destroyed. Part of the objective appeared to have been to flush out
Iraqi forces and uncover defensive positions. Even after the battalion's tanks
arrived here, American aircraft and artillery continued to attack along the
route. At the airport, soldiers sought rest and shade, some working to repair
damaged tanks. Black Hawk helicopters arrived to evacuate the wounded.

Sgt. Anthony A. Cassady described a scene that several others also mentioned.

A family in a car stopped on Highway 8's median, evidently hoping to endure the
sudden eruption of fighting they had driven into. A large truck, mounted with
an antiaircraft gun, hurtled toward the column and was shot. It careered onto
the median and struck the car, bursting into flames. As the American column
passed, a man, a woman and three children — the youngest an infant — struggled
with their injuries and burns. The man, presumably the father, was on his back.
One child's fingers were virtually severed.

"Being a dad myself, that's the hardest part," said Sergeant Cassady, who
manned a .50-caliber machine gun on the roof of an armored command
vehicle. "I've got six kids at home, and I can't imagine it. I'd just as soon
die than see that happen to my kids.

"Just to drive by and be helpless — man," he said. "It makes you feel selfish."

Kto mialby ich rozliczyc , ze zbrodni?

[Gość: Zuni]

USA nie podpisaly sie pod idea MTK , a mimo to mam nadzieje , ze komus z
szanownego grona prawnikow o uznanych miedzynarodowych nazwiskach przyjdzie do
uczonej glowy by rozpoczac tamze procedury wobec odpowiedzialnych za
poszczegolne zbrodnie dokonane w Iraku na ludnosci cywilnej.
System prawny Stanow Zjednoczonych pomimo , ze podlega ,na skutek wejscia w
zycie rozwiazan prawnych zwiazanych z tzw. wojna z terroryzmem ,totalitarnym
ograniczeniom ,takze niesie w sobie nadzieje na sprawiedliwe , chocby po wielu
latach,rozpatrzenie zbrodni.
Potrzeba tu jedynie woli i wytrwalosci , bowiem narzedzia prawne , choc nieco
ulomne juz sa.
Zuni.
PS.Powyzsza nadzieja nie dotyczy jednakze inspiratorow i cial przywodczych.
Ergo na proces w rodzaju procesu Milosevicia nie liczylbym.

ci idioci rozpoczeli wojne z calym swiatem

[bonobo44]

juz sa skonczeni - tylko patrzec jak im ktos p..i atomowka - pogrzebia w ten
sposob cala cywilizacje

[Gość: arr]

Kazda taktyka ataku na Bagdad, byle skuteczna, jest
dobra. Przejmowanie sie szmatlawcami jest bez sensu - z
tego zalozenia wychodzic nalezy.

ty arr jestes tak naprawde zwykle a.s-hole

[bonobo44]