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      The One-State Solution

      by Daniel Lazare

      The Nation, October 11, 2003

      http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031103&s=lazare



      Is Zionism a failed ideology? This question will strike many people as absurd
      on its face. Israel, after all, is a nation with an advanced standard of
      living, a high-tech economy and one of the most formidable militaries on
      earth. In a little over half a century, it has taken in millions of people
      from far-flung corners of the globe, taught them a new language and
      incorporated them into a political culture that is nothing if not vigorous. If
      this is failure, there are a lot of countries wishing for their share of it.



      But consider the things Israel has not accomplished. In his 1896 manifesto The
      Jewish State, Zionism's founding document, the Austrian journalist Theodor
      Herzl predicted that such a country would be at peace with its neighbors and
      would require no more than a small professional army. In fact, Zionist
      settlers have clashed repeatedly with the Arabs from nearly the moment they
      began arriving in significant numbers in the early twentieth century, a
      Hundred Years' War that grows more dangerous by the month. Herzl envisioned a
      normal state no different from France or Germany. Yet with its peculiar ethno-
      religious policies elevating one group above all others, Israel is
      increasingly abnormal at a time when almost all other political democracies
      have been putting such distinctions behind them. Herzl envisioned a state that
      would draw Jews like a magnet, yet more than half a century after Israel's
      birth, most Jews continue to vote with their feet to remain in the Diaspora,
      and an increasing number of Israelis prefer to live abroad. Israel was
      supposed to serve as a safe haven, yet it is in fact one of the more dangerous
      places on earth in which to be Jewish.



      Israel was also supposed to have been the final answer to "the Jewish
      question," an issue that is as old as--and has virtually defined--modernity
      itself. Herzl emphasized again and again that hatred and competition would
      melt away once Jews removed themselves from their increasingly reluctant host
      countries, returned to their ancient homeland and took their place as separate
      but equal members of the international community. Yet anti-Semitism is
      mushrooming in the Muslim world and, based on anecdotal evidence, may be
      undergoing a resurgence in Europe and the United States. Is this because the
      world is intrinsically anti-Semitic and is therefore always looking for an
      excuse to bash the Jews? Or does Zionism bear responsibility in any way for
      the upsurge?



      There is no doubt that the approach to such questions, especially in the
      United States, has reached a turning point. The collapse of Bush's
      farcical "road map," the Berlin wall that Israel is building deep inside
      Palestinian territory, the threats to exile or even assassinate Yasir Arafat
      and now the extension of hostilities to Syria--the old consensus is crumbling
      under the impact of such developments, and it is now possible to say things
      that would have been verboten only a few months ago. In Israel, Avraham Burg,
      former speaker of the Knesset, recently warned that if Israel wishes to
      preserve what little democracy it still has, it must either withdraw to its
      pre-1967 boundaries or grant full citizenship to the approximately 3.5 million
      Palestinians in the occupied territories, a step that would spell the virtual
      end of the Jewish state. Meron Benvenisti, the former deputy mayor of
      Jerusalem, has pronounced the two-state approach "inapplicable" to the problem
      of Israel and Palestine and is calling for a single binational state based on
      Arab-Jewish equality. In the United States the historian Tony Judt, declaring
      the Middle East peace process a dead letter in The New York Review of Books,
      says that the very idea of a Jewish state has become an "anachronism" in a
      multicultural world in which citizenship is increasingly separated from race,
      religion and ethnicity. "In today's 'clash of cultures' between open,
      pluralist democracies and belligerently intolerant, faith-driven ethno-
      states," he adds, "Israel actually risks falling into the wrong camp."



      A longstanding taboo has finally begun to fall. The more the United States
      sinks into a morass in Iraq, the more the Bush Administration leaps to do
      Sharon's bidding, the more fierce and wide-ranging the debate is likely to
      grow. How it will end, nobody knows. But where before it was all but
      impossible to have an honest conversation about Zionism, it is now becoming
      impossible not to. Of course, this taboo is largely an American invention. In
      other countries, the field has been much more open--including, irony of
      ironies, in Israel. As Tom Segev describes it in his lively ideological
      survey, Elvis in Jerusalem, Zionism has been under ideological and political
      assault in the Jewish state virtually from the beginning. Nearly everyone has
      had reason to find fault with it. In its early days Orthodox rabbis complained
      (in so many words) that it was an attempt to do an end run around God by
      returning from exile without divine permission. In the 1950s, a young
      journalist named Uri Avnery argued that Zionism was indelibly stained by the
      Diaspora it supposedly opposed and called for a more authentic Hebrew
      nationalism instead. Sephardic Jews from North Africa and the Middle East saw
      Zionism as a tool of the European-Ashkenazic elite, while post-Zionists, like
      the historian Ilan Pappe, have argued that it is fundamentally undemocratic
      and will have to fall by the wayside if Israel is ever to evolve into a normal
      pluralist state.



      Even archeologists have gotten in their swipes. In the beginning, Israeli
      archeologists assumed that the Bible's tales of the patriarchs, the Exodus,
      Joshua's conquest of the Holy Land, etc., were broadly accurate and that the
      more they dug, the more the essential outlines would be confirmed. But, in
      fact, the opposite occurred. Not only was evidence lacking but archeologists
      uncovered a mass of countervailing data as well. As a University of Tel Aviv
      archeologist named Ze'ev Herzog wrote in the newspaper Ha'aretz in 1999, "The
      Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer
      the land in a military campaign, and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes
      of Israel. Furthermore, the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is
      described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal
      kingdom." The Israelites were merely one indigenous culture among many. The
      idea that they had some sort of pre-eminent claim to the Holy Land has no
      basis in historical fact. Zionist archeology thus turns out to subvert Zionism.



      Elvis in Jerusalem is valuable for a number of reasons, among them the insight
      it provides into the nature of Israeli politics. Israel is a heavily
      militarized ethno-state, to use Judt's term, but it is also a democracy, one
      that compares quite favorably in many respects with a played-out eighteenth-
      century republic like the United States. Israeli politics are serious,
      ideological and bitterly contentious. Where Jewish leaders in America have
      done their best to suppress debate, Israelis have let it rip. Ethnic cleansing
      of the Palestinians, Jewish religious intolerance, Zionism's various efforts
      over the years to make common cause with anti-Semitism--as Segev makes clear,
      topics that have been off-limits for years in the United States are fair game
      in the Jewish state. Americans, especially American Jews, should take a lesson.



      Not that all of them will. Allan Levine's new book, Scattered Among the
      Peoples: The Jewish Diaspora in Twelve Portraits, is a relic of a less
      critical age. The story it tells is often a tragic one, yet the tone is bland
      and u
      • Gość: dana33 tu nie ma zadnej dyskusji IP: 5.3.1R3D* / 192.114.47.* 26.10.03, 11:23
        tylko i wylacznie dwa panstwa, jedno ich jedno nasze. tylko nasze.
      • Gość: A.D. Koniecznie dwa!!!! IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 26.10.03, 14:20

        )) Jedno dla Palstynczykow w ich calej Palestynie, no a drugie, dla zydow - na
        lonie Abrama u samego Diabla!!!!




        danadana napisała:

        ) The One-State Solution
        )
        ) by Daniel Lazare
        )
        ) The Nation, October 11, 2003
        )
        ) http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031103&s=lazare
        )
        )
        )
        ) Is Zionism a failed ideology? This question will strike many people as
        absurd
        ) on its face. Israel, after all, is a nation with an advanced standard of
        ) living, a high-tech economy and one of the most formidable militaries on
        ) earth. In a little over half a century, it has taken in millions of people
        ) from far-flung corners of the globe, taught them a new language and
        ) incorporated them into a political culture that is nothing if not vigorous.
        If
        ) this is failure, there are a lot of countries wishing for their share of it.
        )
        )
        )
        ) But consider the things Israel has not accomplished. In his 1896 manifesto
        The
        ) Jewish State, Zionism's founding document, the Austrian journalist Theodor
        ) Herzl predicted that such a country would be at peace with its neighbors and
        ) would require no more than a small professional army. In fact, Zionist
        ) settlers have clashed repeatedly with the Arabs from nearly the moment they
        ) began arriving in significant numbers in the early twentieth century, a
        ) Hundred Years' War that grows more dangerous by the month. Herzl envisioned
        a
        ) normal state no different from France or Germany. Yet with its peculiar
        ethno-
        ) religious policies elevating one group above all others, Israel is
        ) increasingly abnormal at a time when almost all other political democracies
        ) have been putting such distinctions behind them. Herzl envisioned a state
        that
        ) would draw Jews like a magnet, yet more than half a century after Israel's
        ) birth, most Jews continue to vote with their feet to remain in the Diaspora,
        ) and an increasing number of Israelis prefer to live abroad. Israel was
        ) supposed to serve as a safe haven, yet it is in fact one of the more
        dangerous
        ) places on earth in which to be Jewish.
        )
        )
        )
        ) Israel was also supposed to have been the final answer to "the Jewish
        ) question," an issue that is as old as--and has virtually defined--modernity
        ) itself. Herzl emphasized again and again that hatred and competition would
        ) melt away once Jews removed themselves from their increasingly reluctant
        host
        ) countries, returned to their ancient homeland and took their place as
        separate
        ) but equal members of the international community. Yet anti-Semitism is
        ) mushrooming in the Muslim world and, based on anecdotal evidence, may be
        ) undergoing a resurgence in Europe and the United States. Is this because the
        ) world is intrinsically anti-Semitic and is therefore always looking for an
        ) excuse to bash the Jews? Or does Zionism bear responsibility in any way for
        ) the upsurge?
        )
        )
        )
        ) There is no doubt that the approach to such questions, especially in the
        ) United States, has reached a turning point. The collapse of Bush's
        ) farcical "road map," the Berlin wall that Israel is building deep inside
        ) Palestinian territory, the threats to exile or even assassinate Yasir Arafat
        ) and now the extension of hostilities to Syria--the old consensus is
        crumbling
        ) under the impact of such developments, and it is now possible to say things
        ) that would have been verboten only a few months ago. In Israel, Avraham
        Burg,
        ) former speaker of the Knesset, recently warned that if Israel wishes to
        ) preserve what little democracy it still has, it must either withdraw to its
        ) pre-1967 boundaries or grant full citizenship to the approximately 3.5
        million
        ) Palestinians in the occupied territories, a step that would spell the
        virtual
        ) end of the Jewish state. Meron Benvenisti, the former deputy mayor of
        ) Jerusalem, has pronounced the two-state approach "inapplicable" to the
        problem
        ) of Israel and Palestine and is calling for a single binational state based
        on
        ) Arab-Jewish equality. In the United States the historian Tony Judt,
        declaring
        ) the Middle East peace process a dead letter in The New York Review of Books,
        ) says that the very idea of a Jewish state has become an "anachronism" in a
        ) multicultural world in which citizenship is increasingly separated from
        race,
        ) religion and ethnicity. "In today's 'clash of cultures' between open,
        ) pluralist democracies and belligerently intolerant, faith-driven ethno-
        ) states," he adds, "Israel actually risks falling into the wrong camp."
        )
        )
        )
        ) A longstanding taboo has finally begun to fall. The more the United States
        ) sinks into a morass in Iraq, the more the Bush Administration leaps to do
        ) Sharon's bidding, the more fierce and wide-ranging the debate is likely to
        ) grow. How it will end, nobody knows. But where before it was all but
        ) impossible to have an honest conversation about Zionism, it is now becoming
        ) impossible not to. Of course, this taboo is largely an American invention.
        In
        ) other countries, the field has been much more open--including, irony of
        ) ironies, in Israel. As Tom Segev describes it in his lively ideological
        ) survey, Elvis in Jerusalem, Zionism has been under ideological and political
        ) assault in the Jewish state virtually from the beginning. Nearly everyone
        has
        ) had reason to find fault with it. In its early days Orthodox rabbis
        complained
        ) (in so many words) that it was an attempt to do an end run around God by
        ) returning from exile without divine permission. In the 1950s, a young
        ) journalist named Uri Avnery argued that Zionism was indelibly stained by the
        ) Diaspora it supposedly opposed and called for a more authentic Hebrew
        ) nationalism instead. Sephardic Jews from North Africa and the Middle East
        saw
        ) Zionism as a tool of the European-Ashkenazic elite, while post-Zionists,
        like
        ) the historian Ilan Pappe, have argued that it is fundamentally undemocratic
        ) and will have to fall by the wayside if Israel is ever to evolve into a
        normal
        ) pluralist state.
        )
        )
        )
        ) Even archeologists have gotten in their swipes. In the beginning, Israeli
        ) archeologists assumed that the Bible's tales of the patriarchs, the Exodus,
        ) Joshua's conquest of the Holy Land, etc., were broadly accurate and that the
        ) more they dug, the more the essential outlines would be confirmed. But, in
        ) fact, the opposite occurred. Not only was evidence lacking but archeologists
        ) uncovered a mass of countervailing data as well. As a University of Tel Aviv
        ) archeologist named Ze'ev Herzog wrote in the newspaper Ha'aretz in
        1999, "The
        ) Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not
        conquer
        ) the land in a military campaign, and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes
        ) of Israel. Furthermore, the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is
        ) described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal
        ) kingdom." The Israelites were merely one indigenous culture among many. The
        ) idea that they had some sort of pre-eminent claim to the Holy Land has no
        ) basis in historical fact. Zionist archeology thus turns out to subvert
        Zionism.
        )
        )
        )
        ) Elvis in Jerusalem is valuable for a number of reasons, among them the
        insight
        ) it provides into the nature of Israeli politics. Israel is a heavily
        ) militarized ethno-state, to use Judt's term, but it is also a democracy, one
        ) that compares quite favorably in many respects with a played-out eighteenth-
        ) century republic like the United States. Israeli politics are serious,
        ) ideological and bitterly contentious. Where Jewish leaders in America have
        ) done their best to suppress debate, Israelis have let it rip. Ethnic
        cleansing
        ) of the Palestinians, Jewish religious intolerance, Zionism's various efforts
        ) over the years to make common
    • Gość: jarek Re: Temat do dyskusji Jedno Panstwo czy Dwa ? IP: *.fastres.net 26.10.03, 14:45
      Mowisz o Iraqu, ja jestem za trzema panstwami...

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