Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklearne

wiarusik Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 19.09.07, 17:06

Ta Syria,to może Izraelowi tylko naskoczyć;)
Tak to wygląda.

mosze_zblisko_daleka Dla ekspertow... 20.09.07, 10:28

Zalaczam fotki od "fabryki rolniczej", czy mozecie zauwazyc cos innego............

www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=352043

odyn06 Re: Dla ekspertow... 20.09.07, 10:44

Jeżeli to prawda, to tylko się cieszyć, że kolejnej małpie wyrwano
brzytwę z łap.

kapitan.kirk Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 20.09.07, 12:03

Dobrze, że są jeszcze jacyś Europejczycy z jajami, którzy nie trzęsą
portkami przed islamem (szkoda tylko, że jak raz mieszkają w Azji ;-)

Pozdrawiam tą drogą izraelskich pilotów!

mosze_zblisko_daleka Washington Post 21.9.2007 21.09.07, 08:27

Israel, U.S. Shared Data On Suspected Nuclear Site
Bush Was Told of North Korean Presence in Syria, Sources Say

By Glenn Kessler and Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 21, 2007; A01

Israel's decision to attack Syria on Sept. 6, bombing a suspected nuclear site
set up in apparent collaboration with North Korea, came after Israel shared
intelligence with President Bush this summer indicating that North Korean
nuclear personnel were in Syria, U.S. government sources said.

The Bush administration has not commented on the Israeli raid or the underlying
intelligence. Although the administration was deeply troubled by Israel's
assertion that North Korea was assisting the nuclear ambitions of a country
closely linked with Iran, sources said, the White House opted against an
immediate response because of concerns it would undermine long-running
negotiations aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear program.

Ultimately, however, the United States is believed to have provided Israel with
some corroboration of the original intelligence before Israel proceeded with the
raid, which hit the Syrian facility in the dead of night to minimize possible
casualties, the sources said.

The target of Israel's attack was said to be in northern Syria, near the Turkish
border. A Middle East expert who interviewed one of the pilots involved said
they operated under such strict operational security that the airmen flying air
cover for the attack aircraft did not know the details of the mission. The
pilots who conducted the attack were briefed only after they were in the air, he
said. Syrian authorities said there were no casualties.

U.S. sources would discuss the Israeli intelligence, which included satellite
imagery, only on condition of anonymity, and many details about the North
Korean-Syrian connection remain unknown. The quality of the Israeli
intelligence, the extent of North Korean assistance and the seriousness of the
Syrian effort are uncertain, raising the possibility that North Korea was merely
unloading items it no longer needed. Syria has actively pursued chemical weapons
in the past but not nuclear arms

mosze_zblisko_daleka Dzisiejszy "incydent" na granicy syryjskiej... 22.09.07, 21:25

Dzis na Jom Kipur wszystko stoi tutaj...
Nagle zauwazono kilku Migow-21 zblizajacych sie do granicy...
W pewnym momencie jeden Mig zniknal z ekranow radarowych...
Natychmiast wystartowali mysliwce w kierunku Syrii...
Po kilku minut okazalo sie ze Mig rozbil sie na terenie Syrii...
i izraelskie mysliwce zawrocili do bazy...
Tak to prawie co dzien...

wiarusik Re: Dzisiejszy "incydent" na granicy syryjskiej.. 22.09.07, 21:35

No cóż...Mig-21 ma już swoje lata.Właściwie to groteska go wysyłać w
kierunku Izraela,nawet na patrol.

mosze_zblisko_daleka Sunday Times 23.9.2007 23.09.07, 02:14

From The Sunday Times
September 23, 2007
Snatched: Israeli commandos ‘nuclear’ raid
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, Sarah Baxter, Washington, and Michael Sheridan

ISRAELI commandos from the elite Sayeret Matkal unit – almost certainly dressed
in Syrian uniforms – made their way stealthily towards a secret military
compound near Dayr az-Zawr in northern Syria. They were looking for proof that
Syria and North Korea were collaborating on a nuclear programme.

Israel had been surveying the site for months, according to Washington and
Israeli sources. President George W Bush was told during the summer that Israeli
intelligence suggested North Korean personnel and nuclear-related material were
at the Syrian site.

Israel was determined not to take any chances with its neighbour. Following the
example set by its raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak 1981, it drew up
plans to bomb the Syrian compound.

But Washington was not satisfied. It demanded clear evidence of nuclear-related
activities before giving the operation its blessing. The task of the commandos
was to provide it.

Today the site near Dayr az-Zawr lies in ruins after it was pounded by Israeli
F15Is on September 6. Before the Israelis issued the order to strike, the
commandos had secretly seized samples of nuclear material and taken them back
into Israel for examination by scientists, the sources say. A laboratory
confirmed that the unspecified material was North Korean in origin. America
approved an attack.

News of the secret ground raid is the latest piece of the jigsaw to emerge about
the mysterious Israeli airstrike. Israel has imposed a news blackout, but has
not disguised its satisfaction with the mission. The incident also reveals the
extent of the cooperation between America and Israel over nuclear-related
security issues in the Middle East. The attack on what Israeli defence sources
now call the “North Korean project” appears to be part of a wider, secret war
against the nonconventional weapons ambitions of Syria and North Korea which,
along with Iran, appears to have been forging a new “axis of evil”.

The operation was personally directed by Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence
minister, who is said to have been largely preoccupied with it since taking up
his post on June 18.

It was the ideal mission for Barak, Israel’s most decorated soldier and
legendary former commander of the Sayeret Matkal, which shares the motto “Who
Dares Wins” with Britain’s SAS and specialises in intelligence-gathering deep
behind enemy lines.

President Bush refused to comment on the air attack last week, but warned North
Korea that “the exportation of information and/or materials” could jeopard-ise
plans to give North Korea food aid, fuel and diplomatic recognition in exchange
for ending its nuclear programmes.

Diplomats in North Korea and China said they believed a number of North Koreans
were killed in the raid, noting that ballistic missile technicians and military
scientists had been working for some time with the Syrians.

A senior Syrian official, Sayeed Elias Daoud, director of the Syrian Arab Ba’ath
party, flew to North Korea via Beijing last Thursday, reinforcing the belief
among foreign diplomats that the two nations are coordinating their response to
the Israeli strike.

The growing assumption that North Korea suffered direct casualties in the raid
appears to be based largely on the regime’s unusually strident propaganda on an
issue far from home. But there were also indications of conversations between
Chinese and North Korean officials and intelligence reports reaching Asian
governments that supported the same conclusion, diplomats said.

Jane’s Defence Weekly reported last week that dozens of Iranian engineers and
Syrians were killed in July attempting to load a chemical warhead containing
mustard gas onto a Scud missile. The Scuds and warheads are of North Korean
design and possibly manufacture, and there are recent reports that North Koreans
were helping the Syrians to attach airburst chemical weapons to warheads.

Yesterday, while Israelis were observing Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the
Jewish calendar, the military was on high alert after Syria promised to
retaliate for the September 6 raid. An Israeli intelligence expert said: “Syria
has retaliated in the past for much smaller humiliations, but they will choose
the place, the time and the target.”

Critics of Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president, believe he has shown poor
judgment since succeeding his father Hafez, Syria’s long-time dictator, in 2000.
According to David Schenker, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy,
he has provoked the enmity of almost all Syria’s neighbours and turned his
country into a “client” of Iran.

Barak’s return to government after making a fortune in private business was
critical to the Israeli operation. Military experts believe it could not have
taken place under Amir Peretz, the defence minister who was forced from the post
after last year’s ill-fated war in Lebanon. “Barak gave Olmert the confidence
needed for such a dangerous operation,” said one insider.

The unusual silence about the airstrikes amazed Israelis, who are used to
talkative politicians. But it did not surprise the defence community. “Most
Israeli special operations remain unknown,” said a defence source.

When Menachem Begin, then Israeli prime minister, broke the news of the 1981
Osirak raid, he was accused of trying to help his Likud party’s prospects in
forthcoming elections.

Benjamin Netanyahu, who leads Likud today, faced similar criticism last week
when he ignored the news blackout, revealed that he had backed the decision to
strike and said he had congratulated Olmert. “I was a partner from the start,”
he claimed.

But details of the raid are still tantalisingly incomplete. Some analysts in
America are perplexed by photographs of a fuel tank said to have been dropped
from an Israeli jet on its return journey over Turkey. It appears to be
relatively undamaged. Could it have been planted to sow confusion about the
route taken by the Israeli F-15I pilots?

More importantly, questions remain about the precise nature of the material
seized and about Syria’s intentions. Was Syria hiding North Korean nuclear
equipment while Pyongyang prepared for six-party talks aimed at securing an end
to its nuclear weapons programme in return for security guarantees and aid? Did
Syria want to arm its own Scuds with a nuclear device?

Or could the material have been destined for Iran as John Bolton, the former US
ambassador to the United Nations, has suggested? And just how deep is Syrian and
North Korean nuclear cooperation anyway?

China abruptly postponed a session of the nuclear disarmament talks last week
because it feared America might confront the North Koreans over their weapons
deals with Syria, according to sources close to the Chinese foreign ministry.
Negotiations have been rescheduled for this Thursday in Beijing after assurances
were given that all sides wished them to be “constructive”.

Christopher Hill, the US State Department negotiator, is said to have persuaded
the White House that the talks offered a realistic chance to accomplish a peace
treaty formally ending the 1950-1953 Korean war, in which more than 50,000
Americans died. A peace deal of that magnitude would be a coup for Bush – but
only if the North Koreans genuinely abandon their nuclear programmes.

The outlines of a long-term arms relationship between the North Koreans and the
Syrians are now being reexamined by intelligence experts in several capitals.
Diplomats in Pyongyang have said they believe reports that about a

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Sunday Times 23.9.2007=B 23.09.07, 02:16

...

The outlines of a long-term arms relationship between the North Koreans and the
Syrians are now being reexamined by intelligence experts in several capitals.
Diplomats in Pyongyang have said they believe reports that about a dozen Syrian
technicians were killed in a massive explosion and railway crash in North Korea
on April 22, 2004.

Teams of military personnel wearing protective suits were seen removing debris
from the section of the train in which the Syrians were travelling, according to
a report quoting military sources that appeared in a Japanese newspaper. Their
bodies were flown home by a Syrian military cargo plane that was spotted shortly
after the explosion at Pyongyang airport.

In December last year, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al Seyassah quoted European
intelligence sources in Brussels as saying that Syria was engaged in an advanced
nuclear programme in its northeastern province.

Most diplomats and experts dismiss the idea that Syria could master the
technical and industrial knowhow to make its own nuclear devices. The vital
question is whether North Korea could have transferred some of its estimated 55
kilos of weapons-grade plutonium to Syria. Six to eight kilos are enough for one
rudimentary bomb.

“If it is proved that Kim Jong-il sold fissile material to Syria in breach of
every red line the Americans have drawn for him, what does that mean?” asked one
official. The results of tests on whatever the Israelis may have seized from the
Syrian site could therefore be of enormous significance.

The Israeli army has so far declined to comment on the attack. However, several
days afterwards, at a gathering marking the Jewish new year, the
commander-in-chief of the Israeli military shook hands with and congratulated
his generals. The scene was broadcast on Israeli television. After the fiasco in
Lebanon last year, it was regarded as a sign that “we’re back in business, guys”.
- robin241 Re: Sunday Times 23.9.2007=B 23.09.07, 16:18
  
  a jeszcze ten sam mosze kilkanascie dni temu zaprzeczal jakoby do
  jakiegoklwiek ataku lotniczego na Syrie doszlo, syryjczycy cos tam
  sobie wymyslili i oskarzaja niewinny Izrael;
  teraz pelen dumy pisze ze udalo sie jakis transport uranu skutecznie
  ostrzelany w Syrii; za chwile moze cos o bohaterstwie IDF w tym
  przypadku i medalach przyznanych za akcje napisze;
  hipokryzja i tyle;

jorl Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 23.09.07, 18:43

mosze_zblisko_daleka napisał:

industrial knowhow to make its own nuclear devices. The vital
> question is whether North Korea could have transferred some of its
estimated 55
> kilos of weapons-grade plutonium to Syria. Six to eight kilos are
enough for on
> e
> rudimentary bomb.
>

55kg plutonu? Z Korei Pn? Ja slysze ze Kore Pn ma plutonu moze na 2
a moze na 4 bomby. A tu wysyla na z 8! I co ogolocila sie? Sama nie
ma nic? Nawet pozyczyla ten pluton od innych? Bo sama tyle nie miala?
No ale dobrze bo sie sama Kore Pn rozbroila!
Czy tez nie?

Pozdrowienia

browiec1 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 23.09.07, 23:58

A slyszales cos Mosze o jakiejs akcji izraelsakich komandosow w
Syrii, gdzie na poczatku miesiaca mieli oni zdobyc jakies materialy
rozszczepialne? Podawali dzis w wiadomosciach RMF cos takiego.
www.rmf.fm/fakty/?from=rss&id=124046 Tu jest link do tego. W
koncu byl to atak komandosow czy lotnictwa, czy tez byly to dwie
oddzielne akcje (jesli tak to niedlugo w Syrii bedzie wiecej
Koreanczykow niz Syryjczykow:)
Zreszta tez dzis podali ze podobno Dick Cheney namawial Izrael do
wyprzedzajacego ataku na Iran. Cos sie tam chyba bedzie dzialo, juz
niedlugo. Awe.
- browiec1 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 24.09.07, 00:13
  
  Ten Ahmadinezad jest slodki:) (tak swoja droga - Ahme czy Ahma?)
  wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,4514250.html
  A tu o Dicku
  wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,4514361.html
  - red_grim_reaper Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 24.09.07, 00:28
    
    Ahmadinedżad gada jak Hitler przed zajęciem Czech. "Wojna? Jaka
    wojna, skąd?". Może być wkrótce ciepło.
    
    Reaper
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka Newsweek 24.9.2007 24.09.07, 07:15
    
    Israel's Raid on Syria: Prelude to a Nuke Crisis?
    By Dan Ephron and Mark Hosenball
    Newsweek
    
    Oct. 1, 2007 issue - Sam Gardiner plays war for a living. A former Air Force
    colonel who helped write contingency plans for the U.S. military, Gardiner has
    spent the 20 years since his retirement staging war-simulation exercises for
    military and policy wonks within and on the fringes of government (he keeps his
    client list confidential). Lately, more of his work has focused on Iran and its
    nuclear program. Gardiner starts by gathering various experts in a room to play
    the parts of government principals—the CIA director, the secretary of State,
    leaders of other countries—and presents them with a scenario: Iran, for example,
    has made a dramatic nuclear advance. Then he sits back and watches the cycle of
    action and reaction, occasionally lobbing new information at the participants.
    
    In Gardiner's war games, the conduct of Iran's nemesis, Israel, is often the
    hardest to predict. Are Israeli intelligence officials exaggerating when they
    say Iran will have mastered the technology to make nuclear weapons by next year?
    Will Israel stage its own attack on Iran if Washington does not? Or is it
    posturing in order to goad America into military action? The simulations have
    led Gardiner to an ominous conclusion: though the United States is now
    emphasizing sanctions and diplomacy as the means of compelling Tehran to stop
    enriching uranium, an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities could end up
    dragging Washington into a war. "Even if Israel goes it alone, we will be
    blamed," says Gardiner. "Hence, we would see retaliation against U.S. interests."
    
    How far will Israel go to keep Iran from getting the bomb? The question gained
    new urgency this month when Israeli warplanes carried out a mysterious raid deep
    in Syria and then threw up a nearly impenetrable wall of silence around the
    operation. Last week opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu chipped away at that
    wall, saying Israel did in fact attack targets in Syrian territory. His top
    adviser, Mossad veteran Uzi Arad, told NEWSWEEK: "I do know what happened, and
    when it comes out it will stun everyone."
    
    Official silence has prompted a broad range of speculation as to what exactly
    took place. One former U.S. official, who like others quoted in this article
    declined to be identified discussing sensitive matters, says several months ago
    Israel presented the Bush administration with reconnaissance images and
    information from secret agents alleging North Korea had begun to supply
    nuclear-related material to Syria. Some U.S. intelligence reporting, including
    electronic signal intercepts, appeared to support the Israeli claims. But other
    U.S. officials remain skeptical about any nuclear link between Syria and North
    Korea. One European security source told NEWSWEEK the target might have been a
    North Korean military shipment to Iran that was transiting Syria. But a European
    intelligence official said it wasn't certain Israel had struck anything at all.
    
    While the Bush administration appears to have given tacit support to the Syria
    raid, Israel and the United States are not in lockstep on Iran. For Israel, the
    next three months may be decisive: either Tehran succumbs to sanctions and stops
    enriching uranium or it must be dealt with militarily. (Iran says its program is
    for peaceful purposes only.) "Two thousand seven is the year you determine
    whether diplomatic efforts will stop Iran," says a well-placed Israeli source,
    who did not want to be named because he is not authorized to speak for the
    government. "If by the end of the year that's not working, 2008 becomes the year
    you take action."
    
    In Washington, on the other hand, the consensus against a strike is firmer than
    most people realize. The Pentagon worries that another war will break America's
    already overstretched military, while the intelligence community believes Iran
    is not yet on the verge of a nuclear breakthrough. The latter assessment is
    expected to appear in a secret National Intelligence Estimate currently nearing
    completion, according to three intelligence officials who asked for anonymity
    when discussing nonpublic material. The report is expected to say Iran will not
    be able to build a nuclear bomb until at least 2010 and possibly 2015. One
    explanation for the lag: Iran is having trouble with its centrifuge-enrichment
    technology, according to U.S. and European officials.
    
    Twice in the past year, the United States has won U.N. Security Council
    sanctions against Tehran. More measures might come up at Security Council
    discussions later this year, and recently French Foreign Minister Bernard
    Kouchner warned that European nations might impose their own sanctions. One U.S.
    official who preferred not to be identified discussing sensitive policy matters
    said he took part in a meeting several months ago where intelligence officials
    discussed a "public diplomacy" strategy to accompany sanctions. The idea was to
    periodically float the possibility of war in public comments in order to keep
    Iran off balance. In truth, the official said, no war preparations are underway.
    
    There are still voices pushing for firmer action against Tehran, most notably
    within Vice President Dick Cheney's office. But the steady departure of
    administration neocons over the past two years has also helped tilt the balance
    away from war. One official who pushed a particularly hawkish line on Iran was
    David Wurmser, who had served since 2003 as Cheney's Middle East adviser. A
    spokeswoman at Cheney's office confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Wurmser left his
    position last month to "spend more time with his family." A few months before he
    quit, according to two knowledgeable sources, Wurmser told a small group of
    people that Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli
    missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz—and perhaps other
    sites—in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out. The Iranian reaction would
    then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear
    targets in Iran. (Wurmser's remarks were first reported last week by Washington
    foreign-policy blogger Steven Clemons and corroborated by NEWSWEEK.) When
    NEWSWEEK attempted to reach Wurmser for comment, his wife, Meyrav, declined to
    put him on the phone and said the allegations were untrue. A spokeswoman at
    Cheney's office said the vice president "supports the president's policy on Iran."
    
    In Iran, preparations for war are underway. "Crisis committees" have been
    established in each government ministry to draw up contingency plans, according
    to an Iranian official who asked for anonymity in order to speak freely. The
    regime has ordered radio and TV stations to prepare enough prerecorded
    programming to last for months, in case the studios are sabotaged or employees
    are unable to get to work. The ministries of electricity and water are working
    on plans to maintain service under war conditions. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali
    Khamenei has also sent envoys to reach out to European negotiators recently, in
    the hopes of heading off further sanctions or military action.
    
    The question may not be whether America is ready to attack, but whether Israel
    is. The Jewish state has cause for worry. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    vows regularly to destroy the country; former president Hashemi Rafsanjani,
    considered a moderate, warned in 2001 that Tehran could do away with Israel with
    just one nuclear bomb. In Tel Aviv last week, former deputy Defense minister
    Ephraim Sneh concurred. Sneh, a dovish member of Israel's Parliament and a
    retired brigadier general, took a NEWSWEEK reporter to the observation deck atop
    the 50-story Azrieli Center. "There is Haifa just over the horizon, Ben-Gurion
    airport over there, the Defense Ministry down below," he said, to show how small
    the coun
    - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Newsweek 24.9.2007=B 24.09.07, 07:17
      
      The question may not be whether America is ready to attack, but whether Israel
      is. The Jewish state has cause for worry. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
      vows regularly to destroy the country; former president Hashemi Rafsanjani,
      considered a moderate, warned in 2001 that Tehran could do away with Israel with
      just one nuclear bomb. In Tel Aviv last week, former deputy Defense minister
      Ephraim Sneh concurred. Sneh, a dovish member of Israel's Parliament and a
      retired brigadier general, took a NEWSWEEK reporter to the observation deck atop
      the 50-story Azrieli Center. "There is Haifa just over the horizon, Ben-Gurion
      airport over there, the Defense Ministry down below," he said, to show how small
      the country is. "You can see in this space the majority of our intellectual,
      economic, political assets are concentrated. One nuclear bomb is enough to wipe
      out Israel."
      
      But can the Israelis destroy Iran's nuclear program? Gardiner, the war-gamer,
      says they would not only need to hit a dozen nuclear sites and scores of
      antiaircraft batteries; to prevent a devastating retaliation, they would have to
      knock out possibly hundreds of long-range missiles that can carry chemical
      warheads. Just getting to distant Iran will be tricky for Israel's squadrons of
      American-made F-15s and F-16s. Danny Yatom, who headed Mossad in the 1990s, says
      the planes would have to operate over Iran for days or weeks. Giora Eiland,
      Israel's former national-security adviser, now with Tel Aviv's Institute of
      National Security Studies, ticked off the drawbacks: "Effectiveness, doubtful.
      Danger of regional war. Hizbullah will immediately attack [from Lebanon], maybe
      even Syria." Yet Israelis across the political spectrum, including Eiland and
      Yatom, believe the risk incurred by inaction is far greater. "The military
      option is not the worst option," Yatom says. "The worst option is a nuclear Iran."
      
      The idea of a pre-emptive strike also has popular support. When Prime Minister
      Ehud Olmert ordered the raid on Syria earlier this month, his approval rating
      was in the teens. Since then, it has jumped to nearly 30 percent. And though
      Olmert may not believe Israeli warplanes can get to all the targets, he might be
      willing to gamble on even a limited success. "No one in their right mind thinks
      that there's a clinical way to totally destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities,"
      says the well-placed Israeli source. "You strike at some and set the project
      back. You play for time and hope Ahmadinejad will eventually fall."
      
      Alternatively, Israel might count on Tehran to retaliate against American
      targets as well, drawing in the superpower. To avoid that outcome, Gardiner
      believes, Washington must prevent Israel from attacking in the first place. "The
      United States does not want to turn the possibility of a general war in the
      Middle East over to the decision making in Israel," he says. Does not want to,
      certainly—but might not have a choice.
      
      With Rod Nordland in Jerusalem, Christopher Dickey in New York and John Barry in
      Washington
      
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- mosze_zblisko_daleka Ne znaju... 24.09.07, 07:20
  
  Ja nic ne znaju...

mosze_zblisko_daleka Nowe fotki... 25.09.07, 19:01

www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=353220

mosze_zblisko_daleka AL Watan Kuweit... 28.09.07, 12:23

Gazeta "Al Watan" (Narod) podala ze iranski dezerter gen. Ali Riza (ktory
"zniknal" w Turcji kilka miesiecy temu) przyniosl Ameryce plany
co wyrabiaja iranczycy w Syrii...

Druga gazeta Kuweitu "AL Dzarida" (gazeta) ze rosyjskie ekipy badaja w
Syrii jakim sposobem izraelskie samoloty sparalizowali nowoczesny system
radarowy w Syrii...

browiec1 Re: AL Watan Kuweit... 28.09.07, 14:25

To oni maja nowoczesny sytem radarowy? Na czy sie w ogole opiera ich
system obrony plot?
- mosze_zblisko_daleka Rosyjski... 28.09.07, 15:46
  
  Pisze coś tam po rosyjsku, ale ja ne znaju...
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Rosyjski... 28.09.07, 16:52
    
    "We know what we know, we know there are things we do not know, and we know
    there are things we do not know we do not know" -
    Donald Rumsfeld

mosze_zblisko_daleka Assad potwierdzil... 02.10.07, 16:57

Na wczorajszym telewizjowym interview prezydent Asad (lew) przyznał i
potwierdził ze był jakiś izraelski atak na syryjska ziemie i ze nie było zdanych
strat.

Teraz tez potwierdził izraelski rzecznik wojskowy ze był atak na syryjski lad...

mosze_zblisko_daleka Prez. Busz... 04.10.07, 09:42

Ostrzegał wczoraj Iran, zeby nie zaatakowali Izrael... bo beda mieli do
czynienia z Ameryka...
Kreci sie jakas plotka, ze amerykanie tez brali udzial i caly kompleks budynkow
zniknal wcale z mapy...dlatego Syria podaje ze nic nie bylo...

mosze_zblisko_daleka 40 dni... 04.10.07, 09:55

Wiem ze Iran liczą zawsze 40 dni żałoby...
Tak to było kiedy IDF "wyeliminowali" Abbas Musawi (poprzednika Nasralla) Na
40ty dzień była wysadzona ambasada izraelska w Argentynie.

mosze_zblisko_daleka AL Manar TV Hizbulla. 04.10.07, 11:08

Russians in Syria to upgrade defense systems: Report

Printing Date: 10/4/2007

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The Times of London reported Tuesday that Russia has sent technicians to upgrade
Syria's air defense system after Israeli electronic warfare systems allowed IAF
warplanes to attack a target in Syria last month. The Times account also said
that the airborne electronic warfare system, which it said jammed the
Russian-made radar and the Syrian army's communications, was "believed to have
been designed in readiness for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear sites." The
Israeli military on Sunday lifted censorship on the fact that the air force
carried out an air strike against a target deep in Syrian territory on September
6th. But censorship remained in effect on critical details of the mission,
including the nature of the target. Syrian President Bashar Assad confirmed an
Israeli raid last month had targeted an abandoned military base in Syria.

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mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 09:39

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Three groups of experts - Russian, Iranian and Syrian –
still at sea over why Syria’s two early warning stations failed to protect its
skies or identify Israeli air force raiders on Sept. 6.

October 5, 2007, 8:59 AM (GMT+02:00)
The Russian air defense system which failed

This lapse was first revealed exclusively by DEBKAfile on Sept. 7:

The Israeli jets said to have penetrated Syrian airspace Wednesday night escaped
by jamming Russian-made Pantsyr-S1 air defense missiles

DEBKAfile’s military experts conclude from the way Damascus described the
episode that the electronic systems and radar of the Pantsyr-S1 air defense
missiles were a letdown because they failed to down the intruders and therefore
leave Syria and Iranian airspace vulnerable to hostile intrusion.

Such information on the Russian weapons systems sold to Syria and Iran is
essential to any US calculations of whether to attack Iran.

Full article by DEBKAfile’s military sources of Sept. 7: HERE

These revelations were followed up on Sept. 21 by DEBKA-Net-Weekly 318 (for
subscribers): Syria’s vulnerability

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources report that the Syrian early warning
station, positioned at Marj as Sultan, 15 km east of Damascus and north of the
Syrian air base at the international airport, is there to secure the Syrian
capital and monitor Israeli air or missile activity on the Golan and from
northern Israel.

The Shinshar station south of Homs, near the small Syrian air base of Al Qusayr
Shayrat, is located opposite northern Lebanon. Its function is to sound the
alarm if airplanes, missiles or warships approach Syria from Lebanese territory
of from the eastern Mediterranean.

When the early warning stations in Syria were silenced, some communications
systems, computers and cell phones were also knocked out in neighboring Lebanon
– evidence that Syria had been bested in a cyber war against its electronic and
radar systems.

DEBKAfile adds: Syrian war planners are at sea on several key points, such as:

1. When and from which did direction did the warplanes enter Syria airspace –
the Mediterranean, Israel or Turkey?

2. Was the incursion a one-off or one of several which went unnoticed?

Until Israel released the bare information of the Sept. 6 air raid over Syria
this week, neither Damascus nor Tehran knew for sure the identity of the air
raiders, whether Israeli American or both.

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wt82 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 09:56

Straszny bełkot , gdyby rzeczywiście Syria miała jakieś militarne instalacje
nuklearne to znaczyłoby ,że już dawno bron atomową ma Iran co jest bzdurą.Po
drugie gdyby rzeczywiście,najnowsze rosyjskie systemy plot były takie zawodne
to Iran już dawno byłby bombardowany, po trzecie Syria otrzymała pierwszego
Panstyra w połowie sierpnia 2007, jest fizycznie niemożliwe by zdołała
wprowadzić je natychmiast do akcji-konkluzja jest jedna żydowskie źródła są
niewiarygodne, i nalezy traktowac to jako rodzaj wojny psychologicznej na
zasadzie ,,źli Ruscy dostarczają broń jeszcze gorszym syrii i Iranowi,ale my
Żydzi i tak jesteśmy mocniejsi". Ale szczyt bredni to te KRLD-owskie instalacje
militarne w Syrii...
- wujcio44 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 12:29
  
  wt82 napisał:
  
  > Straszny bełkot
  
  Przyznaję rację. To co wypisujesz, to rzeczywiście straszny bełkot.
  - mosze_zblisko_daleka Ja tez, ja tez... 05.10.07, 19:21
    
    Przyznaje, ze masz racje oni nic nie mieli, nie maja i nie beda mieli...
  - wt82 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 23:19
    
    wujcio nie masz nic do powiedzenia to po co szczekasz?
- browiec1 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 12:35
  
  Co do rosyjskiej broni to nie wiem jak zadzialala (widocznie nie
  zadzialala - czy to ze wzgledu na zle przeszkolenie,
  nieprzygotowanie lub z innych przyczyn).Jesli chodzi o kompleks
  nuklearny - byl to po prostu skald materialow rozszczepialnych co
  juz raczej wszyscy potwierdzili.Chyba ze wiesz lepiej bo byles z
  gospodarska wizyta w tej "cywilnej" fabryce nawozow czy co to tam
  bylo.Co do "mocniejszych Zydow" - jak by to powiedzial Jarek jest to
  oczywista oczywistosc:) I powtarzam - KRLD nie miala w Syrii
  instalacji a tylko gdzies chciala schowac swoje zabawki.
  - wt82 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 05.10.07, 23:27
    
    browiec1 napisał:
    
    > Co do rosyjskiej broni to nie wiem jak zadzialala (widocznie nie
    > zadzialala - czy to ze wzgledu na zle przeszkolenie,
    > nieprzygotowanie lub z innych przyczyn).Jesli chodzi o kompleks
    > nuklearny - byl to po prostu skald materialow rozszczepialnych co
    > juz raczej wszyscy potwierdzili.Chyba ze wiesz lepiej bo byles z
    > gospodarska wizyta w tej "cywilnej" fabryce nawozow czy co to tam
    > bylo.Co do "mocniejszych Zydow" - jak by to powiedzial Jarek jest to
    > oczywista oczywistosc:) I powtarzam - KRLD nie miala w Syrii
    > instalacji a tylko gdzies chciala schowac swoje zabawki.
    
    1. co do rosyjskiej broni to może w nie zadziałała bo jej jeszcze tam nie
    było:))(poszukaj a sprawdzisz że systemy Panstyr Syria zaczęła otrzymywać
    dopiero w II połowie sierpnia 2007-nikt od razu nowej broni nie wprowadza do
    linii...)
    
    2.materiały rozszczepialne z KRLD transportowano by do Syrii by je ukryć?:)))a
    mało to miejsca w KRLD?Chyba,że wierzysz iż inspektorzy sprawdza każda dziurę w
    Koreii- o wiele łatwiej namierzyć satelitą statek płynacy do syrii z KRLD niż
    znaleść 50 g plutonu ukrytego Bóg wie gdzie-nielogiczne posunięcie,dlatego mam
    wątpliwości.
    
    3.Nie twierdzę,że Izrael zbombardował NA PEWNO puste magazyny-ale mógł tak
    zrobić , o propagandzie słyszałeś?Weź sobie do głowy że każde państwo prowadzi
    wojnę propagandową i IDF może teraz wrzeszczeć na cały świat jaka to Syria jest
    niebezpieczna bo gromadzi broń masowego rażenia która to oni swoim
    niezniszczalnym lotnictwem unieszkodliwili-nieprawdaż?
    
    Poza tym działa to też na użytek wewnętrzny-po porażce w Libanie próbuje sie
    odbudować mit IDF.
    - browiec1 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 06.10.07, 01:29
      
      Tak, masz racje,na 100%:) IDF nie ma nic ciekawszego do roboty tylko
      opowiadac bajki,Koreanczycy jak zawsze postepuja logicznie,a Syria
      jest krajem milujacym pokoj i demokracje:) Moze i w Korei jest duzo
      miejsca ale jak sie chce wpuscic inspektorow zeby uzyskac pomoc
      gospodarcza to lepiej schowac niewygodne zabawki gdzie indziej (bo
      moga sie jeszcze przydac).Co do niezniszczalnosci lotnictwa Izraela -
      coz moze dostaniesz pochwalne pismo z MON-u Izraela:)
      - mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 06.10.07, 11:27
        
        High Level Debate Stalled Syria Air Strike
        U.S. Was Concerned Over Intelligence, Stability to Region, Officials
        Tell ABC News
        Oct. 5, 2007 —
        
        The September Israeli airstrike on a suspected nuclear site in Syria
        had been in the works for months, ABC News has learned, and was
        delayed only at the strong urging of the United States.
        
        In early July the Israelis presented the United States with
        satellite imagery that they said showed a nuclear facility in Syria.
        They had additional evidence that they said showed that some of the
        technology was supplied by North Korea.
        
        One U.S. official told ABC's Martha Raddatz the material was "jaw
        dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence
        had not previously picked up on the facility.
        
        Officials said that the facility had likely been there for months if
        not years.
        
        "Israel tends to be very thorough about its intelligence coverage,
        particularly when it takes a major military step, so they would not
        have acted without data from several sources," said ABC military
        consultant Tony Cordesman.
        
        U.S. Cautious After Flawed Iraq Intelligence
        
        A senior U.S. official said the Israelis planned to strike during
        the week of July 14 and in secret high-level meetings American
        officials argued over how to respond to the intelligence.
        
        Some in the administration supported the Israeli action, but others,
        notably Sect. of State Condoleeza Rice did not. One senior official
        said the U.S. convinced the Israelis to "confront Syria before
        attacking."
        
        Officials said they were concerned about the impact an attack on
        Syria would have on the region. And given the profound consequences
        of the flawed intelligence in Iraq, the U.S. wanted to be absolutely
        certain the intelligence was accurate.
        
        Initially, administration officials convinced the Israelis to call
        off the July strike. But in September the Israelis feared that news
        of the site was about to leak and went ahead with the strike despite
        U.S. concerns.
        
        The airstrike was so highly classified, President Bush refused to
        acknowledge it publicly even after the bombs fell.
        
        ABC's Martha Raddatz filed this report for "World News With Charles
        Gibson."
        
        Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 10.10.07, 15:20

The New York Times

October 10, 2007
An Israeli Strike on Syria Kindles Debate in the U.S.
By MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPER

WASHINGTON, Oct. 9 — A sharp debate is under way in the Bush administration
about the significance of the Israeli intelligence that led to last month’s
Israeli strike inside Syria, according to current and former American government
officials.

At issue is whether intelligence that Israel presented months ago to the White
House — to support claims that Syria had begun early work on what could become a
nuclear weapons program with help from North Korea — was conclusive enough to
justify military action by Israel and a possible rethinking of American policy
toward the two nations.

The debate has fractured along now-familiar fault lines, with Vice President
Dick Cheney and conservative hawks in the administration portraying the Israeli
intelligence as credible and arguing that it should cause the United States to
reconsider its diplomatic overtures to Syria and North Korea.

By contrast, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her allies within the
administration have said they do not believe that the intelligence presented so
far merits any change in the American diplomatic approach.

“Some people think that it means that the sky is falling,” a senior
administration official said. “Others say that they’re not convinced that the
real intelligence poses a threat.”

Several current and former officials, as well as outside experts, spoke on the
condition of anonymity because the intelligence surrounding the Israeli strike
remains highly classified.

Besides Ms. Rice, officials said that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates was
cautious about fully endorsing Israeli warnings that Syria was on a path that
could lead to a nuclear weapon. Others in the Bush administration remain
unconvinced that a nascent Syrian nuclear program could pose an immediate threat.

It has long been known that North Korean scientists have aided Damascus in
developing sophisticated ballistic missile technology, and there appears to be
little debate that North Koreans frequently visited a site in the Syrian desert
that Israeli jets attacked Sept. 6. Where officials disagree is whether the
accumulated evidence points to a Syrian nuclear program that poses a significant
threat to the Middle East.

Mr. Cheney and his allies have expressed unease at the decision last week by
President Bush and Ms. Rice to proceed with an agreement to supply North Korea
with economic aid in return for the North’s disabling its nuclear reactor. Those
officials argued that the Israeli intelligence demonstrates that North Korea
cannot be trusted. They also argue that the United States should be prepared to
scuttle the agreement unless North Korea admits to its dealing with the Syrians.

During a breakfast meeting on Oct. 2 at the White House, Ms. Rice and her chief
North Korea negotiator, Christopher R. Hill, made the case to President Bush
that the United States faced a choice: to continue with the nuclear pact with
North Korea as a way to bring the secretive country back into the diplomatic
fold and give it the incentive to stop proliferating nuclear material; or to
return to the administration’s previous strategy of isolation, which detractors
say left North Korea to its own devices and led it to test a nuclear device last
October.

Mr. Cheney and Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, also attended
the meeting, administration officials said.

The Israeli strike occurred at a particularly delicate time for American
diplomatic efforts. In addition to the North Korean nuclear negotiations, the
White House is also trying to engineer a regional Middle East peace conference
that would work toward a comprehensive peace accord between Arabs and Israelis.

The current and former American officials said Israel presented the United
States with intelligence over the summer about what it described as nuclear
activity in Syria. Officials have said Israel told the White House shortly in
advance of the September raid that it was prepared to carry it out, but it is
not clear whether the White House took a position then about whether the attack
was justified.

One former top Bush administration official said Israeli officials were so
concerned about the threat posed by a potential Syrian nuclear program that they
told the White House they could not wait past the end of the summer to strike
the facility.

Last week, Turkish officials traveled to Damascus to present the Syrian
government with the Israeli dossier on what was believed to be a Syrian nuclear
program, according to a Middle East security analyst in Washington. The analyst
said that Syrian officials vigorously denied the intelligence and said that what
the Israelis hit was a storage depot for strategic missiles.

That denial followed a similar denial from North Korea. Mr. Hill, the State
Department’s assistant secretary for East Asia and Pacific affairs, raised the
Syria issue with his North Korean counterparts in talks in Beijing in late
September. The North Koreans denied providing any nuclear material to Syria.

Publicly, Syrian officials have said Israeli jets hit an empty warehouse.

Bruce Riedel, a veteran of the C.I.A. and the National Security Council and now
a Middle East expert at the Brookings Institution, said that American
intelligence agencies remained cautious in drawing hard conclusions about the
significance of the suspicious activity at the Syrian site.

Still, Mr. Riedel said Israel would not have launched the strike in Syria if it
believed Damascus was merely developing more sophisticated ballistic missiles or
chemical weapons.

“Those red lines were crossed 20 years ago,” he said. “You don’t risk general
war in the Middle East over an extra 100 kilometers’ range on a missile system.”

Another former intelligence official said Syria was attempting to develop
so-called airburst capability for its ballistic missiles. Such technology would
allow Syria to detonate warheads in the air to disperse the warhead’s material
more widely.

Since North Korea detonated its nuclear device, Ms. Rice has prodded Mr. Bush
toward a more diplomatic approach with North Korea, through talks that also
include Japan, Russia, South Korea and China. Those talks led to the initial
agreement last February for North Korea to shut down its nuclear reactor in
exchange for fuel and food aid.

That deal angered conservatives who believed that the Bush administration had
made diplomacy toward North Korea too high a priority, at the expense of efforts
to combat the spread of illicit weapons in the Middle East.

“Opposing the Israeli strike to protect the six-party talks would be a
breathtaking repudiation of the administration’s own national security
strategy,” said John R. Bolton, former United States ambassador to the United
Nations.

But other current and former officials argue that the diplomatic approach is
America’s best option for dealing with the question of North Korean proliferation.

“You can’t just make these decisions using the top of your spinal cord, you have
to use the whole brain,” said Philip D. Zelikow, the former counselor at the
State Department. “What other policy are we going to pursue that we think would
be better?”

mosze_zblisko_daleka New York Times 14.10.2007 14.10.07, 01:44

The New York Times

October 14, 2007
Analysts Find Israel Struck a Nuclear Project Inside Syria
By DAVID E. SANGER and MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 — Israel’s air attack on Syria last month was directed
against a site that Israeli and American intelligence analysts judged was a
partly constructed nuclear reactor, apparently modeled on one North Korea has
used to create its stockpile of nuclear weapons fuel, according to American and
foreign officials with access to the intelligence reports.

The description of the target addresses one of the central mysteries surrounding
the Sept. 6 attack, and suggests that Israel carried out the raid to demonstrate
its determination to snuff out even a nascent nuclear project in a neighboring
state. The Bush administration was divided at the time about the wisdom of
Israel’s strike, American officials said, and some senior policy makers still
regard the attack as premature.

The attack on the reactor project has echoes of an Israeli raid more than a
quarter century ago, in 1981, when Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor
in Iraq shortly before it was to have begun operating. That attack was
officially condemned by the Reagan administration, though Israelis consider it
among their military’s finest moments. In the weeks before the Iraq war, Bush
administration officials said they believed that the attack set back Iraq’s
nuclear ambitions by many years.

By contrast, the facility that the Israelis struck in Syria appears to have been
much further from completion, the American and foreign officials said. They said
it would have been years before the Syrians could have used the reactor to
produce the spent nuclear fuel that could, through a series of additional steps,
be reprocessed into bomb-grade plutonium.

Many details remain unclear, most notably how much progress the Syrians had made
in construction before the Israelis struck, the role of any assistance provided
by North Korea, and whether the Syrians could make a plausible case that the
reactor was intended to produce electricity. In Washington and Israel,
information about the raid has been wrapped in extraordinary secrecy and
restricted to just a handful of officials, while the Israeli press has been
prohibited from publishing information about the attack.

The New York Times reported this week that a debate had begun within the Bush
administration about whether the information secretly cited by Israel to justify
its attack should be interpreted by the United States as reason to toughen its
approach to Syria and North Korea. In later interviews, officials made clear
that the disagreements within the administration began this summer, as a debate
about whether an Israeli attack on the incomplete reactor was warranted then.

The officials did not say that the administration had ultimately opposed the
Israeli strike, but that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense
Secretary Robert M. Gates were particularly concerned about the ramifications of
a pre-emptive strike in the absence of an urgent threat.

“There wasn’t a lot of debate about the evidence,” said one American official
familiar with the intense discussions over the summer between Washington and the
government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel. “There was a lot of debate
about how to respond to it.”

Even though it has signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, Syria would not
have been obligated to declare the existence of a reactor during the early
phases of construction. It would have also had the legal right to complete
construction of the reactor, as long as its purpose was to generate electricity.

In his only public comment on the raid, Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad,
acknowledged this month that Israeli jets dropped bombs on a building that he
said was “related to the military” but which he insisted was “not used.”

A senior Israeli official, while declining to speak about the specific nature of
the target, said the strike was intended to “re-establish the credibility of our
deterrent power,” signaling that Israel meant to send a message to the Syrians
that even the potential for a nuclear weapons program would not be permitted.
But several American officials said the strike may also have been intended by
Israel as a signal to Iran and its nuclear aspirations. Neither Iran nor any
Arab government except for Syria has criticized the Israeli raid, suggesting
that Israel is not the only country that would be disturbed by a nuclear Syria.
North Korea did issue a protest.

The target of the Israeli raid and the American debate about the Syrian project
were described by government officials and nongovernment experts interviewed in
recent weeks in the United States and the Middle East. All insisted on anonymity
because of rules that prohibit discussing classified information. The officials
who described the target of the attack included some on each side of the debate
about whether a partly constructed Syrian nuclear reactor should be seen as an
urgent concern, as well as some who described themselves as neutral on the question.

The White House press secretary, Dana Perino, said Saturday that the
administration would have no comment on the intelligence issues surrounding the
Israeli strike. Israel has also refused to comment.

Nuclear reactors can be used for both peaceful and non-peaceful purposes. A
reactor’s spent fuel can be reprocessed to extract plutonium, one of two paths
to building a nuclear weapon. The other path — enriching uranium in centrifuges
— is the method that Iran is accused of pursuing with an intent to build a
weapon of its own.

Syria is known to have only one nuclear reactor, a small one built for research
purposes. But in the past decade, Syria has several times sought unsuccessfully
to buy one, first from Argentina, then from Russia. On those occasions, Israel
reacted strongly but did not threaten military action. Earlier this year, Mr.
Assad spoke publicly in general terms about Syria’s desire to develop nuclear
power, but his government did not announce a plan to build a new reactor.

The Gulf Cooperation Council, a group of Persian Gulf states, has also called
for an expansion of nuclear power in the Middle East for energy purposes, but
many experts have interpreted that statement as a response to Iran’s nuclear
program. They have warned that the region may be poised for a wave of
proliferation. Israel is believed to be the only nuclear-armed nation in the region.

The partly constructed Syrian reactor was detected earlier this year by
satellite photographs, according to American officials. They suggested that the
facility had been brought to American attention by the Israelis, but would not
discuss why American spy agencies seemed to have missed the early phases of
construction.

North Korea has long provided assistance to Syria on a ballistic missile
program, but any assistance toward the construction of the reactor would have
been the first clear evidence of ties between the two countries on a nuclear
program. North Korea has successfully used its five-megawatt reactor at the
Yongbyon nuclear complex to reprocess nuclear fuel into bomb-grade material, a
model that some American and Israeli officials believe Syria may have been
trying to replicate.

The North conducted a partly successful test of a nuclear device a year ago,
prompting renewed fears that the desperately poor country might seek to sell its
nuclear technology. President Bush issued a specific warning to the North on
Oct. 9, 2006, just hours after the test, noting that it was “leading
proliferator of missile technology, including transfers to Iran and Syria.” He
went on to warn that “the transfer of nuclear

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: New York Times 14.10.2007 14.10.07, 01:46

The North conducted a partly successful test of a nuclear device a year ago,
prompting renewed fears that the desperately poor country might seek to sell its
nuclear technology. President Bush issued a specific warning to the North on
Oct. 9, 2006, just hours after the test, noting that it was “leading
proliferator of missile technology, including transfers to Iran and Syria.” He
went on to warn that “the transfer of nuclear weapons or material by North Korea
to states or non-state entities would be considered a grave threat to the United
States, and we would hold North Korea fully accountable.”

While Bush administration officials have made clear in recent weeks that the
target of the Israeli raid was linked to North Korea in some way, Mr. Bush has
not repeated his warning since the attack. In fact, the administration has said
very little about the country’s suspected role in the Syria case, apparently for
fear of upending negotiations now under way in which North Korea has pledged to
begin disabling its nuclear facilities.

While the partly constructed Syrian reactor appears to be based on North Korea’s
design, the American and foreign officials would not say whether they believed
the North Koreans sold or gave the plans to the Syrians, or whether the North’s
own experts were there at the time of the attack. It is possible, some officials
said, that the transfer of the technology occurred several years ago.

According to two senior administration officials, the subject was raised when
the United States, North Korea and four other nations met in Beijing earlier
this month.

Behind closed doors, however, Vice President Dick Cheney and other hawkish
members of the administration have made the case that the same intelligence that
prompted Israel to attack should lead the United States to reconsider delicate
negotiations with North Korea over ending its nuclear program, as well as
America’s diplomatic strategy toward Syria, which has been invited to join
Middle East peace talks in Annapolis, Md., next month.

Mr. Cheney in particular, officials say, has also cited the indications that
North Korea aided Syria to question the Bush administration’s agreement to
supply the North with large amounts of fuel oil. During Mr. Bush’s first term,
Mr. Cheney was among the advocates of a strategy to squeeze the North Korean
government in hopes that it would collapse, and the administration cut off oil
shipments set up under an agreement between North Korea and the Clinton
administration, saying the North had cheated on that accord.

The new shipments, agreed to last February, are linked to North Korea’s carrying
through on its pledge to disable its nuclear facilities by the end of the year.
Nonetheless, Mr. Bush has approved going ahead with that agreement, even after
he was aware of the Syrian program.

Nuclear experts say that North Korea’s main reactor, while small by
international standards, is big enough to produce roughly one bomb’s worth of
plutonium a year.

In an interview, Dr. Siegfried S. Hecker of Stanford University, a former
director of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, said building a reactor based on
North Korea’s design might take from three to six years.

Reporting was contributed by William J. Broad in New York, Helene Cooper in
Washington and Steven Erlanger in Jerusalem.
Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

mosze_zblisko_daleka Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 17.10.07, 08:04

Na wczorajszym posiedzeniu komisji ONZ, delegat syryjski potwierdzil
ze Izrael zniszczyl jadrowe infrastruktury...

browiec1 Re: Izrael zniszczył syryjskie instalacje nuklear 17.10.07, 21:39

Jak? Syryjczycy przyznali sie ze maczali paluchy w jakichs sprawach
zwiazanych z materialami radioaktywnymi? Nie wydaje mi sie zeby
nawet oni byli tak glupi. Masz jakiegos linka?
- mosze_zblisko_daleka Juz po wszystkim... 17.10.07, 23:22
  
  Teraz wszystkie media syryjskie zaprzeczaja co bylo wczoraj w ONZ.
  Jest wiadome ze nieraz prawa reka nie wie co robi lewa reka...
  Ale wszystko jest zapisane na tasmie i jest protokol.

mosze_zblisko_daleka ABC News 19.10.2007 20.10.07, 09:13

ABC News
EXCLUSIVE: The Case for Israel's Strike on Syria
Official: Air Attack Targeted Nascent Nuclear Facility Built With North Korean
'Expertise'
By MARTHA RADDATZ

Oct. 19, 2007—

Israeli officials believed that a target their forces bombed inside Syria last
month was a nuclear facility, because they had detailed photographs taken by a
possible spy inside the complex, ABC News has learned.

The Bush administration has steadfastly refused to say anything about the
Israeli raid on Syria, or to confirm what was hit. But ABC News has learned of
the apparent mole and other dramatic and secret details about the events leading
up to the airstrike, plus the evidence that supported it.

A senior U.S. official told ABC News the Israelis first discovered a suspected
Syrian nuclear facility early in the summer, and the Mossad Israel's
intelligence agency managed to either co-opt one of the facility's workers or
to insert a spy posing as an employee.

As a result, the Israelis obtained many detailed pictures of the facility from
the ground.

Watch the Full Report Tonight on "World News With Charles Gibson"

The official said the suspected nuclear facility was approximately 100 miles
from the Iraqi border, deep in the desert along the Euphrates River. It was a
place, the official said, "where no one would ever go unless you had a reason to
go there."

But the hardest evidence of all was the photographs.

The official described the pictures as showing a big cylindrical structure, with
very thick walls all well-reinforced. The photos show rebar hanging out of the
cement used to reinforce the structure, which was still under construction.

There was also a secondary structure and a pump station, with trucks around it.
But there was no fissionable material found because the facility was not yet
operating.

The official said there was a larger structure just north of a small pump
station; a nuclear reactor would need a constant source of water to keep it cool.

The official said the facility was a North Korean design in its construction,
the technology present and the ability to put it all together.

It was North Korean "expertise," said the official, meaning the Syrians must
have had "human" help from North Korea.

A light water reactor designed by North Koreans could be constructed to
specifically produce plutonium for nuclear weapons.

When the Israelis came to the CIA with the pictures, the U.S. then got the
site's coordinates and backed it up with very detailed satellite imagery of its
own, and pinpointed "drop points" to determine what would be needed to target it.

The Israelis urged the U.S. government to destroy the complex, and the U.S.
started looking at options about how to destroy the facility: Targeters were
assembled, and officials contemplated a special forces raid using helicopters,
which would mean inserting forces to collect data and then blow the site up.

That option would have been very daring, the official says, because of the
distance from the border and the amount of explosives it would take to take down
the facility.

The options were considered, but according to the official, word came back from
the White House that the United States was not interested in carrying out the raid.

But as ABC News reported in July, the Israelis made the decision to take the
facility out themselves, though the U.S. urged them not to. The Bush
administration, with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary
Robert Gates leading the way, said the Israelis and the U.S. should "confront
not attack."

The official said the facility had been there at least eight months before the
strike, but because of the lack of fissionable material, the United States
hesitated on the attack because it couldn't be absolutely proved that it was a
nuclear site.

But the official told ABC News, "It was unmistakable what it was going to be.
There is no doubt in my mind."

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felixx zbombardowano COS co wstrzymano budowac 2 lata tem 29.10.07, 10:37

temu
na zdjeciach widac jedynie ujecie wody i niedokonczony silos
na cos? i jakis pojazd, poza tym nic,pusto wiec nikt tego nie bronil
na temat "cos" to mozna wylacznie spekulowac ,miesiacami..

ten atak to kolejna bezmyslna prowokacja Izraela
- browiec1 Re: zbombardowano COS co wstrzymano budowac 2 lat 30.10.07, 02:31
  
  Gdyby tak bylo to Syryjczycy nie wyczysciliby teraz terenu gdzie
  stal domniemany reaktor do golej ziemi. NIe wyburzaliby tez
  okolicznych budynkow, lacznie z wyrywaniem rur.Po prostu kreci sie
  kolo nich MAEA i trzeba wszystkie dowody usunac.
  - browiec1 Re: zbombardowano COS co wstrzymano budowac 2 lat 30.10.07, 02:39
    
    www.redakcjawojskowa.pl/gazeta/index.php?
    option=com_content&task=view&id=9118&Itemid=46 Tu jest o tym,
    niestety brak zdjec.

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