sanatorium_psychiatryczne SANATORIUM SYHIATRYCZNE ??? 10.11.02, 20:30 www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/6594/kapitel5.html 5.7Tag -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inhalt: Einleitung Grammatik Übungen zur Grammatik Anabasis-Text Übersetzung Worterklärungen Übungen zum Text Anhang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Einleitung Ich dachte mir, wir sollten uns einmal einige Sätze des großen griechischen Philosophen Platon (427-347 v. Chr.) anschauen. Platon war nicht nur Philosoph, er war auch ein genialer Schriftsteller. Es ist ganz selbstverständlich, daß wir ihm im Laufe unseres Griechisch-Kurses noch oft begegnen werden. Warum nun werden viele Söhne tüchtiger Väter mittelmäßig? fragt Protagoras in Platons gleichnamigem Dialog. Können Sie die einzelnen Wörter im griechischen Text identifizieren? Dia\ ti/ ou}n tw~n a)gatw~n pate/rwn polloi\ u(ei~j fau~loi gi/gnontai; (Nicht unser faul, wohl aber blöde steckt in fau~loj gering, wertlos, böse. Zu gi/gnontai sage ich in der Grammatik etwas.) Im Abschnitt [326b] (Perseus-Text; am ersten Tag hatte ich Ihnen die Perseus- Adresse angegeben. Hier ist sie nochmals: www.perseus.tufts.edu/ .) sagt Protagoras etwas, das als Motto über allen Selbst-Hilfe-Bemühungen stehn sollte. Mit ein wenig Hilfe von außen, werden Sie den Satz bestimmt übersetzen können: pa~j7ga\r7o(7bi/oj7tou~7a)nqrw&pou7eu)ruqmi/aj7te7kai\ eu)armosti/aj7dei~tai. h( eu)ruqmi/a, aj richtiger Takt, Ebenmaß, Harmonie (Die Deklination dieses Substantivs folgt in der sechsten Stunde. Sie wissen ja, daß bei jedem Substantiv auch der Genitivausgang mit angegeben wird, hier -aj; was nach Abstreichen des Ausgangs übrig bleibt, ist der Wortstock: eu)ruqmi-.) h( eu)armosti/a, aj gute Fügung, Ebenmaß, Harmonie de/w binden, ermangeln, bedürfen; dei~tai er, sie, es bedarf (3.S.Ind.Präs. Med./Pass., verlangt den Genitiv: verlangt des rechten Taktes) Demnach lautet diese Stelle: Denn das ganze Leben des Menschen braucht rechten Takt und Harmonie. Platon widmet sich im Gastmahl ausführlich dem Zusammenspiel von Rhythmus, Harmonie, Liebe usw. Sie finden den Text bei Perseus (plat. sym. 187c). Wir wollen nur einen Satz herausgreifen: kai\7e)/stin7au} mousikh\7peri\7a(rmoni/an7kai\7r(uqmo\n e)rwtikw~n7e)pisth/mh In der engl. Übersetzung bei Perseus heißt es: Hence in its turn musik is found to be a knowledge of love-matters relating to harmony and rhythm. Ehe wir unsere deutsche Übersetzung versuchen, erkläre ich zunächst einige Vokabeln und Formen. au} wiederum, h(7mousikh/ die Musik, peri/ (mit Akk.) in Hinsicht auf, h( a(rmoni/a, aj Ebenmaß, Einklang, Verbindung (a(rmoni/an Akk. Sing.), o(7r(uqmo/j, ou gleichmäßige Bewegung, Takt, usw. (r(uqmo\n Akk. Sing.), e) rwtiko/j zur Liebe gehörig, to\ e)rwtiko/n das Erotische, die Liebe (e)rwtikw~n Gen. Pl.). h(7e)pisth/mh, hj das Wissen, die Wissenschaft, vgl. Epistemologie/Erkenntnislehre. Und Musik wiederum ist, was Harmonie und Rhythmus angeht, eine Wissenschaft von den Liebesdingen. zurück -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grammatik In vielen Sprachen tanzt die Deklination von Vater, Mutter, Tochter usw. leicht aus der Reihe. Dazu gehören das Russische und natürlich das Griechische. Vgl. Sie bitte KurzGr 3.7.8 Am besten ist es, sich Nom., Gen. und Dativ zu merken: Singular: o(7path/r, tou~7patro/j, tw~|7patri/ h( mh/thr, th~j7mhtro/j, th~|7mhtri/ h( quga/thr, th~j7qugatro/j, th~|7qugatri/ Die drei Akkusative gehen leicht ein: pate/ra, mhte/ra, qugate/ra. Im Akk. Pl. brauchen Sie nur noch ein j anzuhängen. So leicht ist die 3. Deklination! Wir können diese Informationen weiter unten in den Übungen gebrauchen. Auch die folgenden Erklärungen über Ehrendinge werden wieder Vater und Sohn betreffen: h( timh/ ist die Ehre und tima/w, das zu timw~ kontrahiert (KurzGr 9.4.2), bedeutet ich ehre. Alle Formen der Verba auf -aw werden kontrahiert. Z.B. heißt er ehrt tima~|, kontrahiert aus -a/ei. Mit diesen Dingen werden wir uns noch oft beschäftigen. Du sollst ehren heißt ti/ma. Sie wissen doch, Mt 19,19: ti/ma7to\n7pate/ra7kai\ th\n7mhte/ra. (Ich werde geehrt heißt: timw~mai. Wie mag das wohl entstanden sein?) Ein Sohn ui(o/j ist dagegen unproblematisch. Wessen Sohn ist er? ti/noj7ui(o/j7e)stin; (ti/j wer? ti/ was? mit dem Gen. ti/noj wessen? für mask, fem, und neutr. ist ein Fragepronomen, Interrogativ-Pronomen. Es hat immer den Akut auf dem Stamm- Iota.) Er machte seinem Sohn eine Hochzeitsfeier: e)poi/hsen7ga/mouj7tw~|7ui(w~|7au)tou~. (Aber die Geladenen, oi(7keklhme/noi,wollten nicht kommen: - ou)k7h)/qelon7e)lqei~n, Mt 22) Füllen Sie bitte im folgenden Satz die Löcher aus: Später aber sandte er seinen Sohn zu ihnen: u(/steron ... a)pe/steilen7pro\j7au)tou\j ... ... ... (de\, to\n, ui(o\n, au)tou~) In Joh 5,23 können wir einiges über Ehre lesen, z.B.: o(7mh\7timw~n7to\n7ui(o\n7ou)7tima~|7to\n7pate/ra der den Sohn nicht ehrende (Mensch) ehrt auch den Vater nicht. Oder auf Deusch: Wer den Sohn nicht ehrt, ehrt auch den Vater nicht. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unser erster Platon-Satz in der Einleitung brachte auch die Form gi/gnontai. Die Verbform gi/gnontai gehört zu gi/gn-o-mai ich entstehe, werde, werde geboren, das natürlich ein besonders häufig benutztes Wort ist (in der Koiné wird vereinfacht gi/nomai geschrieben). Es sieht aus wie paideu/ontai, also wie ein Passiv (3.Pl.Ind.Präs.Pass. Wenn Sie an einen leidenden Bayer denken, der "o- mai!" ausstößt, haben Sie ein gutes Modell für eine griechische Leideform.) Aber gi/gnomai ist ein Medium. Es ist 1.P.S.Ind. Präs.Med. Die 3.P.S.Ind.Präs.Med. lautet gi/gn-etai er wird, er wird geboren. (In der Lektüre werden wir auf die Form bouleu/-etai stoßen, die ebenfalls auf -etai ausgeht.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was hat es nun mit diesem Medium auf sich? Nun, es steht fest, daß die Griechen ursprünglich kein Passiv kannten, sondern eben ein Medium, mit dem sie ausdrücken konnten, daß sie eine Handlung im eigenen Interesse bzw. an sich, d.h. an ihrer eigenen Person ausführten. Wenn ich sage: ich erziehe den Sohn für mich, dann ist das im eigenen Interesse (paideu/omai to\n ui(o/n), wenn ich aber sage: lou/omai ich wasche mich, dann ist das zwar i.a. auch im eigenen Interesse, aber es ist vor allem eine Tätigkeit, die das Subjekt an seiner eigenen Person, an sich, ausführt. Diese auf das Subjekt rückbezügliche Handlungsweise wird durch das reflexive Medium ausgedrückt. Ich erziehe mich selbst würde ebenfalls heißen paideu/omai. Die Handlung im eigenen Interesse, also für sich (dativus commodi), wird als dativisches Medium bezeichnet. Wie man ein Medium übersetzen soll, kann i.a. nur aus dem Zusammenhang heraus entschieden werden. Im Präsens, Imperfekt, Perfekt und Plusquamperfekt sind die Formen des Mediums und des Passivs gleich, vgl. KurzGr 9.2-3. (Imperfekt und Plusquamperfekt existieren nur im Indikativ) Im Präsens und Perfekt stimmen die medialen und passiven Formen in allen Modi überein. Nur Futur und Aorist haben eigene Formen für Medium und Passiv. 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zupagrzybowa PROSTO Z QRANU !!!! 11.11.02, 00:30 Jesus Christ , a Jew for Allah Jesus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught. Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus: Jesus called God "Alayho" in Aramaic. Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10} Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39} Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do. Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23) Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32) Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are: "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38] Jesus said the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim: Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo." Taken from the Aramaic Bible society. Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher." In addition to the Bible confirming Jesus was a Jew for Allah, the Holy Qur'an also clarifies that Jesus followed Allah: "And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." {Holy Quran 5:116} In conclusion, Jesus Christ is a Jew for Allah. Peace no to teraz juz wiecie... Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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Gość: el ninio Zydzi do przodu, Polacy do tylu IP: *.stmnca.adelphia.net 11.11.02, 09:50 Polacy maja już wszystkiego dość, ale nic nie robią dla wyzwolenia się. Nawet trudno skupić opozycję przeciwko UE, podczas gdy syjoniści mają wielkie plany. Światowy Kongres Żydów (Jewish World Congress) w Nowym Jorku pod przewodnictwem Edgara Bronfmana (Trocki) kontroluje już wszystkie organizacje i rządy za wyjątkiem Iranu, Iraku i Libii. Kongres wywiera nacisk na zlikwidowanie państw narodowych i stworzenie trzech “bloków handlowych”, Europy, Ameryki i Orientu pod rządem ONZ. Organizacje i rządy powolne Kongresowi Żydów niszczą państwa narodowe i patriotyzm, wiarę w Boga i porządek społeczny, żeby na gruzach chrześcijańskiej kultury zbudować żydowładztwo świata. PLAN SYJONISTÓW: ● Utworzenie rządu świata ONZ. ● “Odbudowanie” Świątyni Jerozolimskiej i Pałacu Salomona (pomimo że nikt nie wie jak one wyglądały i gdzie stały). ● Przybycie Mesjasza jako Drugie Przyjście Chrystusa. (Ów Mesjasz będzie miał na imię Mosiek Goldberg i legitymował się paszportem “Izraela” w Palestynie.) ● Mesjasz Mosiek zasiądzie na tronie w Świątyni Jerozolimskiej i wszem objawi, że jest Bogiem wszystkich religii i królem wszechświata wszechczasów na wieki wieków. ● Mesjasz Mosiek każe przenieść rząd świata ONZ z NY do Pałacu Salomona i zrobi tam czystkę personalną. ● Papież naonczas przybędzie do Jerozolimy, padnie na twarz, wielbiąc boskość Mośka i poda się do dymisji. ● Przed bramą opustoszałego Watykanu zawieszą tablicę z napisem: “Muzeum Holocaustu i Katolickiego Wstydu Anno Domini 1” Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
Gość: UFO NIE-ZAPOMINAJ O KOsMITACH !!! IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 11.11.02, 18:11 Gość portalu: el ninio napisał(a): > Polacy maja już wszystkiego dość, ale nic nie robią dla wyzwolenia się. Nawet > trudno skupić opozycję przeciwko UE, podczas gdy syjoniści mają wielkie plany. > > Światowy Kongres Żydów (Jewish World Congress) w Nowym Jorku pod przewodnictwem > > Edgara Bronfmana (Trocki) kontroluje już wszystkie organizacje i rządy za > wyjątkiem Iranu, Iraku i Libii. > > Kongres wywiera nacisk na zlikwidowanie państw narodowych i stworzenie > trzech “bloków handlowych”, Europy, Ameryki i Orientu pod rządem ON > Z. > > Organizacje i rządy powolne Kongresowi Żydów niszczą państwa narodowe i > patriotyzm, wiarę w Boga i porządek społeczny, żeby na gruzach chrześcijańskiej > > kultury zbudować żydowładztwo świata. > > > > PLAN SYJONISTÓW: > > ● Utworzenie rządu świata ONZ. > > ● “Odbudowanie” Świątyni Jerozolimskiej i Pałacu Salomona > (pomimo że nikt nie wie jak one wyglądały i gdzie stały). > > ● Przybycie Mesjasza jako Drugie Przyjście Chrystusa. (Ów Mesjasz będzie > miał > na imię Mosiek Goldberg i legitymował się paszportem “Izraela” w Pa > lestynie.) > > ● Mesjasz Mosiek zasiądzie na tronie w Świątyni Jerozolimskiej i wszem ob > jawi, > że jest Bogiem wszystkich religii i królem wszechświata wszechczasów na wieki > wieków. > > ● Mesjasz Mosiek każe przenieść rząd świata ONZ z NY do Pałacu Salomona i > zrobi > tam czystkę personalną. > > ● Papież naonczas przybędzie do Jerozolimy, padnie na twarz, wielbiąc bos > kość > Mośka i poda się do dymisji. > > ● Przed bramą opustoszałego Watykanu zawieszą tablicę z napisem: > “Muzeum Holocaustu i Katolickiego Wstydu > Anno Domini 1” Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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_drf Wiadomość została usunięta ze wzgledu na złamanie 16.11.02, 23:30 ADAM MICHNIK www.freemedia.at/IPIReport2.00/Heroes%20JPEG/MichnikA.JPG www.freemedia.at/IPIReport2.00/33Michnik.htm ADAM MICHNIK A prominent Polish essayist, intellectual and former dissident against communist rule, Adam Michnik helped launch one of Eastern Europe’s most respected dailies, Gazeta Wyborcza, after Poland’s transition to democracy. Adam Michnik, former dissident, historian, writer, lecturer and one of Poland’s leading journalists, has been the editor in chief of the first independent Polish daily newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, since its inception in 1989. A life-long activist for human rights, he was detained many times between 1965 and 1986, spending a total of six years in prison for his opposition to the communist regime. An adviser to the Solidarity trade union federation during the 1980s, he was a negotiator for the Solidarity team during the Round Table negotiations of 1989 between representatives of the government, Solidarity and other groups that brought an end to communist rule in Poland. Michnik was born Oct. 17, 1946. After the March protests of 1968, he was expelled from the University of Warsaw and imprisoned from 1968 to 1969. Complet-ing his degree in history at the Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznan in 1975, he helped found the Workers’ Defense Committee (KOR) in 1976 and participated as a lecturer in the “Flying University,” an organization that brought intellectuals and worker activists together in underground seminars. After General Wojciech Jaruzelski imposed martial law in 1981, suspending Solidarity and interning its leader, Lech Walesa, Michnik was again imprisoned from 1981 to 1984 and from 1985 to 1986, but he continued to advocate democracy and civil society after his release. Following the 1989 Round Table talks, he served as a member of the first non-communist Sejm (Lower House) from 1989 to 1991. Michnik co-founded Gazeta Wyborcza (Electoral Gazette) in 1989 “as the first free newspaper from the Elbe to Vladivos-tok.” Although originally launched to support Solidarity’s election bid, Michnik was quick to assert its editorial independence. The first issue stated that “this newspaper has come into being as a result of the Round Table agreement, but we are publishing and editing it ourselves, and we alone are accountable.” “We have always been proud of our roots in the opposition, KOR and Solidarity,” Michnik said on the 10th anniversary of Gazeta Wyborcza. “But we never wanted to be either an organ of Solidarity or part of it. For we wanted to work for a democratic Poland, and not for successive Solidarity union bosses or for any other political party. ... We believe that the prerequisite of our credibility is independence, political and material,” Michnik said. “We have built up this independence over 10 years, receiving many compliments and diatribes along the way.” Today, Gazeta Wyborcza is Poland’s best-selling daily newspaper, and it continues to broaden its market share with an ever-wider array of supplements, a weekend color magazine and several regional editions. Gazeta Wyborcza has become one of the most respected dailies in Europe, but Michnik is characteristically modest about his own role in the success of the paper. “I have always emphasized that I personally take full responsibility for all the mistakes and failings of Gazeta, but I am reluctant to take responsibility for its successes,” he said. “The success of Gazeta is the work of my colleagues, many women and men who were able to organize a modern editorial board and a well-functioning enterprise. My own input is limited to the fact that I didn’t manage to ruin it all.” A former member of the IPI executive board, Michnik is the author of countless essays, articles and books, including Letters from Prison and Other Essays, a collection of his smuggled-out writings. He has received numerous awards in recognition of his eloquently articulated advocacy of democracy and press freedom, including the French PEN Club Freedom Award in 1982, the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award in 1986 and the OSCE Prize for Journalism and Democracy in 1996. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
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j_d Effects 0f Traumatic Experiences 25.11.02, 00:37 http://www.ncptsd.org/facts/general/fs_effects.html Effects 0f Traumatic Experiences A National Center for PTSD Fact Sheet by Eve B. Carlson, Ph.D. and Josef Ruzek, Ph.D. Sometimes, when they find themselves suddenly in danger, people are overcome with feelings of fear, helplessness, or horror. These events are called traumatic experiences. Some common traumatic experiences include being physically attacked, being in a serious accident, being in combat, being sexually assaulted, and being in a fire or a disaster like a hurricane or a tornado. After traumatic experiences, people can find themselves having problems that they didn't have before the event. If these problems are severe and the survivor does not get help for them, they can begin to cause problems in the survivor's family. This brochure will begin by explaining how traumatic experiences affect people who go through them. Next family members' reactions to the traumatic event and to the trauma survivor's symptoms and behaviors will be described. Finally, suggestions will be made about what a veteran and his or her family can do to get help for PTSD. How Do Traumatic Experiences Affect People ? People who go through traumatic experiences often have symptoms and problems afterwards. How serious the symptoms and problems are depends on many things, including a person's life experiences before the trauma, a person's own natural ability to cope with stress, how serious the trauma was, and what kinds of help and support a person gets from family, friends, and professionals immediately following the trauma. Because most trauma survivors don't know how trauma usually affects people, they often have trouble understanding what is happening to them. They may think it is their fault that the trauma happened, that they are going crazy, or that there is something wrong with them because other people who were there don't seem to have the same problems. They may turn to drugs or alcohol to make them feel better. They may turn away from friends and family who don't seem to understand. They may not know what they can do to get better. What Do Trauma Survivors Need to Know ? Traumas happen to many competent, healthy, strong, good people. No one can completely protect themselves from traumatic experiences. Many people have long-lasting problems following exposure to trauma. Up to 8% of persons will have PTSD at some time in their lives. People who react to traumas are not going crazy. What is happening to them is part of a set of common symptoms and problems that are connected with being in a traumatic situation. Having symptoms after a traumatic event is not a sign of personal weakness. Many psychologically well-adjusted and physically healthy people develop PTSD. Given exposure to a trauma that is bad enough, probably all people would develop PTSD. By understanding trauma symptoms better, a person can become less fearful of them and better able to manage them. By recognizing the effects of trauma and knowing more about symptoms, a person will be better able to decide about getting treatment. What are Common Basic Effects of Trauma? Because they get overwhelmed with fear during a trauma, survivors often have particular symptoms that begin soon after the traumatic experience. The main symptoms are re-experiencing of the trauma - mentally and physically - and avoidance of trauma reminders. Together, these symptoms create a problem that is called Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). PTSD is a specific set of problems resulting from a traumatic experience that is recognized by medical and mental health professionals. Re-experiencing Symptoms: Trauma survivors commonly continue re-experiencing their traumas. Re- experiencing means that the survivor continues to have the same mental, emotional, and physical experiences that occurred during or just after the trauma. This includes thinking about the trauma, seeing images of the event, feeling agitated, and having physical sensations like those that occurred during the trauma. Trauma survivors find themselves feeling and acting as if the trauma is happening again: feeling as if they are in danger, experiencing panic sensations, wanting to escape, getting angry, thinking about attacking or harming someone else. Because they are anxious and physically agitated, they may have trouble sleeping and trouble concentrating. These experiences are not usually voluntary; the survivor usually can't control them or stop them from happening. Mentally re-experiencing the trauma can include: Upsetting memories such as images or other thoughts about the trauma. Feeling as if it the trauma is happening again ("Flashbacks"). Bad dreams and nightmares. Getting upset when reminded about the trauma (by something the person sees, hears, feels, smells, or tastes). Anxiety or fear - feeling in danger again. Anger or aggressive feelings ñ feeling the need to defend oneself. Trouble controlling emotions because reminders lead to sudden anxiety, anger, or upset. Trouble concentrating or thinking clearly. People also can have physical reactions to trauma reminders such as: Trouble falling or staying asleep. Feeling agitated and constantly on the lookout for danger. Getting very startled by loud noises or something or someone coming up on you from behind when you don't expect it. Feeling shaky and sweaty. Having your heart pound or having trouble breathing. Because they have these upsetting feelings, trauma survivors often act as if they are in danger again when they get stressed or reminded of their trauma. They might get overly concerned about keeping safe in situations that really aren't very dangerous. For example, a person living in a good neighborhood might still feel that he has to have an alarm system, double locks on the door, a locked fence, and a guard dog. Because traumatized people often feel like they are in danger even when they aren't, they may be overly aggressive, lashing out to protect themselves when there is no need. For example, a person who was attacked might be quick to yell at or hit someone who seems to be threatening. This happens because, when threatened, people have a natural physical "fight or flight" reaction that prepares them to respond to them danger. Although reexperiencing symptoms are unpleasant, they are a sign that the body and mind are actively struggling to cope with the traumatic experience. These symptoms are automatic, learned responses to trauma reminders: trauma has become associated with lots of things so that they remind the person of the trauma and give them feeling that they are in danger again. It is also possible that reexperiencing symptoms are actually part of the mindís attempt to make sense of what has happened. Avoidance Symptoms: Because thinking about the trauma and feeling as if you are in danger is so upsetting, people who have been through traumas want to avoid reminders of trauma. Sometimes they are aware of this and avoid trauma reminders on purpose and sometimes they do it without realizing what they are doing. Ways of avoiding thoughts, feelings, and sensations associated with the trauma can include: Actively avoiding trauma-related thoughts and memories. Avoiding conversations and staying away from places, activities, or people that might remind you of trauma. Trouble remembering important parts of what happened during the trauma. 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