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Have you gone native?

05.04.06, 14:19
Fellow foreigners!
How far do you adapt yourselves to things Polish in your daily life?
What things from home do you keep doing and what things have you left by the
wayside?
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    • ianek70 Re: Have you gone native? 05.04.06, 14:27
      varsovian napisał:

      > Fellow foreigners!
      > How far do you adapt yourselves to things Polish in your daily life?

      I refuse to wear kalesony, carry an umbrella or wrap sandwiches in tin foil.
      Although I do sometimes pickle things.
      • varsovian Re: Have you gone native? 05.04.06, 14:36
        Long johns are brill when it's minus whatever, although I do prefer pyjama
        bottoms.
        Pickling is the only way to get some decent Branston substitute around here.
        DIY mint jelly and cranberry jelly too.
        • ianek70 Re: Have you gone native? 05.04.06, 15:05
          varsovian napisał:

          > Pickling is the only way to get some decent Branston substitute around here.
          > DIY mint jelly and cranberry jelly too.

          Hmmm, now there's an idea.
          Stop me if I've mentioned this before, but I started a minor egg-pickling craze
          a couple of years ago, which didn't last.
          I mentioned in the pub that the only things we pickle in Scotland are the only
          things they don't pickle in Poland, i.e. onions and eggs.
          So on the way home I bought a dozen eggs and a bottle of vinegar from the all-
          night garage and pickled them. When they matured a few Saturdays later, I took
          the results into the pub in a big jar, and it turned out several other folk had
          done the same. So we found some chrzan, mayonnaise, etc and had a mass egg-
          tasting evening.
          Somehow we haven't got round to doing it again.
          • usenetposts Re: Have you gone native? 05.04.06, 16:31
            ianek70 napisał:

            > varsovian napisał:
            >
            > > Pickling is the only way to get some decent Branston substitute around he
            > re.
            > > DIY mint jelly and cranberry jelly too.
            >
            > Hmmm, now there's an idea.
            > Stop me if I've mentioned this before, but I started a minor egg-pickling
            craze
            >
            > a couple of years ago, which didn't last.
            > I mentioned in the pub that the only things we pickle in Scotland are the
            only
            > things they don't pickle in Poland, i.e. onions and eggs.
            > So on the way home I bought a dozen eggs and a bottle of vinegar from the all-
            > night garage and pickled them. When they matured a few Saturdays later, I
            took
            > the results into the pub in a big jar, and it turned out several other folk
            had
            >
            > done the same. So we found some chrzan, mayonnaise, etc and had a mass egg-
            > tasting evening.
            > Somehow we haven't got round to doing it again.

            Which brings out a nice Easter festive element in this thread.

            For me, my motto is "Ex polonicae et britannicae optima" - I just try and get
            the best of both worlds. There are things Polish I would miss if I were in the
            UK, and a few British things I miss here, and one has to stock up occasionally
            in the car.

            I haven't either stayed British nor gone native, I simply try to live the dream
            of the United Europe.
            • varsovian Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 09:24
              But do you make Yorkshire puddings though?
              I bet not - out of laziness ... the biggest danger to any culture.
              When my kids discovered Yorkshires they immediately liked them and they've
              become a recurring feature on the menu.
              Pickled onions huh?
              • varsovian Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 11:03
                And, mixed couples, what language do you speak at home?
                My kids go to the local (Polish) school, but generally speak English at home.
                They will talk about school in Polish, because it's a Polish-language
                experience, and will speak Polish when there are non-English speakers around
                but essentially English is the home language.
                We did the reverse when we lived in England!
                • ianek70 Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 12:09
                  varsovian napisał:

                  > And, mixed couples, what language do you speak at home?
                  > My kids go to the local (Polish) school, but generally speak English at home.
                  > They will talk about school in Polish, because it's a Polish-language
                  > experience, and will speak Polish when there are non-English speakers around
                  > but essentially English is the home language.
                  > We did the reverse when we lived in England!

                  My daughter unfortunately doesn't live with me, because her mother's a bitch.
                  So she basically speaks Polish all the time when we're in PL, although I always
                  speak English to her. She gets English lessons at school, and I think she
                  speaks the same school-English as the other children, but when we're in
                  Scotland or if my family are here visiting, she speaks normal Paisley English.
                  We were at Eurodisney a year or two ago, and she started talking to a little
                  girl the same age as her, as they do, "Hello, my name's so and so", etc.
                  Then this other little girl, in obviously very practised BBC English said, "I'm
                  from Scotland", and to her surprise my wee star replied, "Ah'm fae Poland."
                  She doesn't mix the languages up any more, although it used to be that she
                  would always talk about insects and trees in English (because it was always me
                  that took her for walks), and she could watch a whole film, laugh at the jokes
                  then say "the best bit was when they were talking about this or that", but if
                  you asked her what language the film was in, she wouldn't remember.
                  And her first lie was in English smile
                    • prawy.polak Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 13:21
                      russh napisał:

                      > How old is she?

                      Nine.
                      Her favourite word at the moment is "semiautobiographical", which she can now
                      say without laughing.
                      You check her homework and say, "oh, that's a nice wee story," and she
                      replies, "yeah, it's semiautobiographical."
                      • ianek70 Oi, who's been playing with the computer? 06.04.06, 13:25
                        prawy.polak napisał:

                        > Nine.
                        > Her favourite word at the moment is "semiautobiographical", which she can now
                        > say without laughing.
                        > You check her homework and say, "oh, that's a nice wee story," and she
                        > replies, "yeah, it's semiautobiographical."

                        That was actually me that wrote that, but I'm at work and someone's obviously
                        been farting about with the computer while I was making my sandwiches sad
                      • russh Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 13:53
                        Beautiful.

                        It's not easy being a seperated father, and I think even more difficult when you
                        are in a foreign country.

                        You said some time ago that you were leaving Poland this year. How do you think
                        will this affect your relationship with her?

                        I ask this as I have been / am in a similar situation.
                        • ianek70 Re: Have you gone native? 07.04.06, 11:05
                          russh napisał:

                          > Beautiful.
                          >
                          > It's not easy being a seperated father, and I think even more difficult when
                          yo
                          > u
                          > are in a foreign country.
                          >
                          > You said some time ago that you were leaving Poland this year. How do you
                          think
                          > will this affect your relationship with her?
                          >
                          > I ask this as I have been / am in a similar situation.

                          It's going to be difficult, I'm going to keep my flat here and come across as
                          often as I can, and we'll still have summer holidays together.
                          I've known for years that eventually this moment would come but there's still a
                          kind of mental block that doesn't let me think about it, and that keeps me
                          relatively sane. Which is nice.
                  • usenetposts Re: Have you gone native? 07.04.06, 10:50
                    ianek70 napisał:

                    > varsovian napisał:
                    >
                    > > And, mixed couples, what language do you speak at home?
                    > > My kids go to the local (Polish) school, but generally speak English at h
                    > ome.
                    > > They will talk about school in Polish, because it's a Polish-language
                    > > experience, and will speak Polish when there are non-English speakers aro
                    > und
                    > > but essentially English is the home language.
                    > > We did the reverse when we lived in England!
                    >
                    > My daughter unfortunately doesn't live with me, because her mother's a bitch.

                    That's not uncommon. I had that one time.
                      • usenetposts Re: Have you gone native? 08.04.06, 23:30
                        marcus_anglikiem napisał:

                        > no, it's not uncommon - why? i'm not so sure - a friend of mine had the same
                        > situ, kind of ****ed up his life, but he was ok, it wasn't the whole of his
                        > life, rather part of it...

                        It does have the effect of making you appreciate the next relationship more, as
                        long as it's with a woman who is actually your friend, and not your enemy.
                • usenetposts Re: Have you gone native? 07.04.06, 10:47
                  varsovian napisał:

                  > And, mixed couples, what language do you speak at home?
                  > My kids go to the local (Polish) school, but generally speak English at home.
                  > They will talk about school in Polish, because it's a Polish-language
                  > experience, and will speak Polish when there are non-English speakers around
                  > but essentially English is the home language.
                  > We did the reverse when we lived in England!

                  I've got it more complex. I speak Russian to my wife and sister-in-law, and
                  English to my kids. Sophie, my eldest, has Polish at school, and sometimes
                  tries to get me speaking Polish to her, but I refuse. I say "I don't understand
                  that funny language".
      • varsovian Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 14:02
        Ah, the tea thing.
        It's a key turning point in the polonisation process.
        I'm a no-milk, no-lemon, cup kinda guy!
        I honestly hate the taste of milk now and am virtually dairy-free - but that
        came about through the death of my father from cancer and me trying to cut my
        cancer-risk.
        • marcus_anglikiem Re: Have you gone native? 06.04.06, 18:24
          ah, 'black' tea with lemon... or if you're chory, with lemon and honey... mmm...
          at home, Alina (nationality Lithuanian, ethnicity 75% Polish, 25% Russian) & I
          (nationality English soul PolishEnglish) speak more in Polish than in English.
            • usenetposts Re: Have you gone native? 07.04.06, 10:56
              Both porcelain and glass are quite good insulators, but the shape of the
              typical tea glass makes it a better bet to keep tea warmer longer, as it has
              the smaller surface area and most of the heat goes upwards by convection.

              However, the thickness of the glass could also play a role - some glasses are
              ridiculously thin, and then there are the old fashioned, Soviet style ones that
              are thick, and I should think they do the best job of all if heat retention is
              the name of the game.
              • marcus_anglikiem Re: Have you gone native? 07.04.06, 21:57
                właśnie, że heat retention isn't the name of the game; i like to make my tea
                and drink it, not make my tea, waste a few minutes of my life (daily, perhaps
                several times) waiting for it too cool, then drink it; i know what you'll say,
                there are plenty of ways i could make damn good use of that time, but no, it
                ain't practical...
                  • ejmarkow Re: Have you gone native? 08.04.06, 22:08
                    From my USA habits, I still enjoy eating pasta with good spicy Italian sauce,
                    pizza, Chinese food, biking, and swimming alot, staying active, nature.

                    In the practices of my adapted homeland:

                    - when it's muddy outside, I wear the same rubber boots that most farmers here
                    wear, and they work great for that purpose. I don't have any manure...yet. I'll
                    have to post a photo of that on this forum.

                    - I love fasloka po britonsku, nalesniki, pierogi, bigos, potatoes in every
                    form.

                    - When angry, I sometimes curse like the locals do.

                    - To cut my grass and weeds, I do it by hand using a scythe instead of a lawn
                    mower. Again, I'll post a photo of that as well.


                    Cheers,

                    Eugene
                    Siemiechow, Poland


                    • varsovian Re: Have you gone native? 09.04.06, 18:37
                      A scythe?
                      Ha ha ha - that went out of fashion with the (non-existent) Ark!
                      My parents in law always complain about feeling thinner and healthier after a
                      week or two of staying with us - they don't like the unclogged arteries feel.
                      They get back home and tuck into the smalec ...
                      Potatoes in every form - not very Polish. Polish home cooking tends to be a
                      bit boring in this respect.
                      Spices - I'm introducing my kids to curries and a wide variey of tastes ...
                      They have to be prepared for the outside world.
                      • ejmarkow Re: Have you gone native? 09.04.06, 23:29
                        varsovian napisał:

                        > A scythe?
                        > Ha ha ha - that went out of fashion with the (non-existent) Ark!
                        > My parents in law always complain about feeling thinner and healthier after a
                        > week or two of staying with us - they don't like the unclogged arteries feel.
                        > They get back home and tuck into the smalec ...
                        > Potatoes in every form - not very Polish. Polish home cooking tends to be a
                        > bit boring in this respect.

                        I think potatoes are an absolute staple here in Poland. It's served in soups,
                        placek, pierogi, and with most meals.

                        The scythe is a nice tool actually. Its terrbile when you run into a tree stump
                        or other obstacle.

                        Eugene
                    • ianek70 Re: Have you gone native? 09.04.06, 20:12
                      ejmarkow napisał:

                      > From my USA habits, I still enjoy eating pasta with good spicy Italian sauce,
                      > pizza, Chinese food, biking, and swimming alot, staying active, nature.

                      I always keep my cupboard well-stocked with Indian spices, pastes and powders.
                      And I have my secret stash of edible Scottish stuff - tattie scones, caramel
                      logs, etc which I ration.
                      All ex-pat English folk keep a jar of a foul-smelling type of crude oil called
                      Marmite in their kitchen, which they proudly and somewhat bizarrely offer
                      guests for breakfast. Interestingly, even in places like Germany where you can
                      actually openly and legally purchase this stuff in supermarkets, the English
                      keep a single small jar at the back of the cupboard. "Behold! For I possess
                      Marmite!"
                      It's their equivalent of oat cakes and shortbread for Scots, or weird sausages
                      for Poles.
                      What do Americans have?
                      • ejmarkow Re: Have you gone native? 09.04.06, 23:33
                        ianek70 napisał:

                        > All ex-pat English folk keep a jar of a foul-smelling type of crude oil
                        > called Marmite in their kitchen, which they proudly and somewhat bizarrely
                        > offer guests for breakfast. Interestingly, even in places like Germany where
                        > you can actually openly and legally purchase this stuff in supermarkets, the
                        > English keep a single small jar at the back of the cupboard. "Behold! For I
                        > possess Marmite!"
                        > It's their equivalent of oat cakes and shortbread for Scots, or weird
                        > sausages for Poles.
                        > What do Americans have?

                        I like to keep dried fruits (apples, apricots, pineapples). Great stuff to
                        munch on!

                        Cheers,

                        Eugene

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